Molly Ivins vs Hillary Clinton

[atotaltotalfan2001]

This is one of the most interesting columns I've read in a while. Maybe it's something all of us Dems should be thinking about...not that Republicans can't read it too. But it poses some hard questions for Dems to ponder, IMO, of course
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http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/1/2006/1304

[moonshine]

She starts out well then quickly descends into the abyss. Until the Demonrat party grows a set and finds a candidate willing to oppose the neocon foreign policy they will remain marginalized.


The majority of the American people (55 percent) think the war in Iraq is a mistake and that we should get out. The majority (65 percent) of the American people want single-payer health care and are willing to pay more taxes to get it. The majority (86 percent) of the American people favor raising the minimum wage. The majority of the American people (60 percent) favor repealing Bush's tax cuts, or at least those that go only to the rich. The majority (66 percent) wants to reduce the deficit not by cutting domestic spending, but by reducing Pentagon spending or raising taxes.

Where does this crackpot get her statistics???

[atotaltotalfan2001]

Originally posted by moonshine
She starts out well then quickly descends into the abyss. Until the Demonrat party grows a set and finds a candidate willing to oppose the neocon foreign policy they will remain marginalized.



But do you agree? I found myself torn....

[moonshine]

I disagree with her statistics, but agree with her arguments.

There simply isn't a viable opposition party to the republicans in this country anymore.

[mikewrona]

Originally posted by moonshine
I disagree with her statistics, but agree with her arguments.

There simply isn't a viable opposition party to the republicans in this country anymore.

All things are possible.

[atotaltotalfan2001]

Originally posted by mikewrona
All things are possible.

That is true. And you never know what new messes Bush will make before his term is over. But I still just can't see Hillary winning.

[mikewrona]

Originally posted by atotaltotalfan2001
That is true. And you never know what new messes Bush will make before his term is over. But I still just can't see Hillary winning.

She won't get the nomination.

Watch for a young "Dark Horse" like Barack Obama.

[tronix75]

Originally posted by moonshine
She starts out well then quickly descends into the abyss. Until the Demonrat party grows a set and finds a candidate willing to oppose the neocon foreign policy they will remain marginalized.



Where does this crackpot get her statistics???


She's a socialist wacko, she makes them up.

[biker]

I heard that John Wayne was voted as the most popular movie star last year.

The Democratic Party, while benefitting greatly from the largesse of the Hollywood elite, distances itself from anything assoicated with the Duke's persona.

But it shouldn't, as they have so much in common.

Like they were both widely popular.

And they're both dead.

[biker]

No one answered the query as to where the statistics in the article came from.

Those numbers thingies haven't been friendly to the Dems for decades.

Emotion works much better for them, although "better" is a relative term.

Look over the this thread. How long did it take "tax cuts for the rich" to be spouted?

There is no question that the income tax cuts on dividends and capital gains have been a tremendous boon to investment and JOBS .

The Dems have to quickly change the topic to "tax cuts for the rich" or some really, unhelpful statistics will come out.

Uh-oh, there's those numbers thingies again.

[biker]

Back on topic.

I am a fervent supporter of Hillary for Prez.

As a matter of fact, I'll contribute to her race.

Anybody have an address for her campaign?

Not Senate, but for the presidential race?

I think she would put a very accurate face on the core of the Democratic national party.

Go Hillary.

[atotaltotalfan2001]

Originally posted by biker
Back on topic.

I am a fervent supporter of Hillary for Prez.

As a matter of fact, I'll contribute to her race.

Anybody have an address for her campaign?

Not Senate, but for the presidential race?

I think she would put a very accurate face on the core of the Democratic national party.

Go Hillary.

She'd put a "very accurate face on the core" of the Democratic National Party? In your dreams. As a Republican who must march in lockstep with his party (dissenters are traitors. No independent thought allowed!), you wouldn't understand this -- but Dems are actually a very diverse bunch. Ivins clearly has no use for Hillary and, I suspect, Hillary has no use for her. I have no use for the local Dem leadership, but agree with some Dems in the national political arena.

But I realize individuality is a concept that Bush-ites find far too foreign to understand, so I won't belabor the point any longer.

[biker]

Some might have missed this testament to Hill's popularity:


A driver is stuck in a traffic jam on the highway. Nothing is moving.

Suddenly a man knocks on the window.

The driver rolls down his window and asks, "What happened?"

"Terrorists have kidnapped Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton. They are asking for a $10 million ransom.
Otherwise they are going to douse them with gasoline and set them on fire. We are going from car to car, taking up a collection."

The driver asks, "How much is everyone giving, on average?"

"About a gallon"


Yessir. What you want is a candidate that appeals to folk's passion and sense of giving.

[tronix75]

Originally posted by atotaltotalfan2001
She'd put a "very accurate face on the core" of the Democratic National Party? In your dreams. As a Republican who must march in lockstep with his party (dissenters are traitors. No independent thought allowed!), you wouldn't understand this -- but Dems are actually a very diverse bunch. Ivins clearly has no use for Hillary and, I suspect, Hillary has no use for her. I have no use for the local Dem leadership, but agree with some Dems in the national political arena.

But I realize individuality is a concept that Bush-ites find far too foreign to understand, so I won't belabor the point any longer.

Ivins, a extreme leftist who is not running for high office has no use for Hillary because she have put on a false face by moving to the center. She is even embracing some of the popular vote getting neo-con positions in her quest for higher office.

You are right about the Democrats being a very diverse bunch, but so are the Republicans. Either party as a whole is unprincipled, in a blink of the eye they switch from left to right or right to left depending on how they feel they can most effectively manipulate the most childish emotions of the mob called voters.

[biker]

Now just wait a minute.

What's all this hubbub about Hillary not being a good representative of the national Democratic party?

It just dudn't matter if she's a lefty or not.

Consider her other good points. She's
Hypocritical
Unprincipled
Thinks her voters are morons
Is in favor of bigger govt.
Is in favor of higher taxes
Is willing to crush, exploit, ride roughshod over or any other way you can (mis) use others for your own gain
Hopes her voters have the memory of a gnat

I could go on, but I wish to leave room for others.

OK, just one more.

She can claim to be from the South, but not of the South. She can probably pull off a photo op eating pig cracklin's while cracking redneck jokes.

John Kerry can only eat his heart out.

[biker]

Yesterday HRC apparently called for WalMart to improve the health care benefits of their employees.

A reporter asked her what improvements she had pushed for during her six years on the WalMart Board of Directors.

Mrs. Clinton said that that was a long time ago and she couldn't remember.

Imagine that! The 'smartest woman on earth' and she can't remember saying or doing anything on an issue as important as health care for the WalMart workerbees.

Maybe all her brain cells were overloaded at the time trading pork belly futures and amassing a fortune.

Then the spunky fact checkers at FoxNews helped out. Seems the health care benefits for the average worker now are much better than they were during Ms. Rodham-Clinton's tenure.

[biker]

Hillary today gave Walmart back their latest campaign contribution to her.

Her office released a statement saying that, in light of current health care practices by the company's management, it was not appropriate for her to accept the contribution.

When called for clarification, as health care benefits are now better than at any time when she sat as a paid member of the Walmart Board of Directors, Mrs. Clinton's office had no comment.

[biker]

Hillary sure looked dreamy, standing next to her hubby at the King funeral. She looked at him lovingly, adoringly, telegenically.

Kind of like that couple on the AARP life insurance commercial.

Say, I must've missed it. Did the wives of Pres's Bush, Bush, Carter or Ford stand up there?