Osama offers truce?

[LHardy]

LMFAO

New video on Al Jazerah shows a figure who maybe Osama Bin and he is offering a truce!

Someone pick me up of the floor! I can not stop laughing!
Is this guy serious?
We will never declare a truce with terrorists.

[avet]

Is there ANY "definitive" source?

This purported tape sure does greatly help take the heat off bush & all the bad press, scandals, indictments, resignations, crooked lobbying, throughout his administration. Is it even remotely possible that the purported tape is faked? Is it remotely possible for the gov to make and distribute a fake tape? Is it remotely possible that the media is controlled by the government?

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BLOOMBERG
Al-Qaeda's war against America won't be limited to Iraq and Afghanistan, and the group plans new operations in the U.S., according to the person purporting to be the al-Qaeda leader.
The Doha, Qatar-based broadcaster didn't say how it obtained the tape, whether it had been verified as genuine, or when and where it had been recorded.
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B.E.N.
Al-Jazeera on Thursday broadcast portions of an audiotape purportedly from Osama bin Laden, saying al-Qaida is making preparations for attacks in the United States but offering a possible truce to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan.
There was no immediate confirmation of the tape's authenticity, although the voice resembled that of bin Laden's in previous messages.
The last audiotape purported to be from bin Laden was broadcast in December 2004 by Al-Jazeera.
Al-Jazeera's editor-in-chief Ahmed al-Sheik would not comment on when or where the tape was received.
Al-Sheik said the tape seemed to have been made "recently" but would not say what led him to that conclusion.
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Ch. 2
The Arab T-V station Al-Jazeera has aired an audiotape purportedly from Osama bin Laden, saying al-Qaida is making preparations for attacks in the United States but offering a truce to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan.
U.S. officials say they trying to identify the authenticity of that tape.
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CBS NEWS
Al-Jazeera television aired an audiotape purportedly from Osama bin Laden Thursday saying al Qaeda is making preparations for attacks in the United States but offering a truce to build Iraq and Afghanistan.
White House spokesman Scott McClellan had no immediate response to the purported bin Laden tape.
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BBC
Veracity unknown
US officials have declined to comment on the authenticity of the latest tape.
People familiar with Bin Laden's voice are divided as to whether the voice really is his.
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Reuters
Arab television station al Jazeera aired a new audio tape on Thursday said to be from al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.
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CNN
Purported bin Laden tape: 'It's only a question of time'
An audiotaped message purported to be from al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden warns the American people that plans for terror attacks in the United States are under way.
CNN could not immediately confirm that the voice on the poor-quality audiotape, which was aired on Arabic-language network Al-Jazeera on Thursday, was that of bin Laden.
There is also no way to determine when the message was recorded, but the reference to attacks in European cities could indicate it was recorded after the July 7 bombings on London's transportation system.
If the voice on the tape is determined to be that of bin Laden, it would be the first message from the al Qaeda leader since he released two audiotaped messages in December 2004
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AKI
An audio message purportedly by Osama bin Laden, aired by the pan-Arab channel Al-Jazeera, threatens new attacks on the United States.
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TIMES ONLINE
Osama bin Laden has threatened to launch further terrorist attacks on America unless it agrees to a truce in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to an unverified audio tape broadcast today on al-Jazeera television
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FROM YOU
who maybe Osama Bin
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If this purported info can be accepted as true, ....then I can accept this purported news as true also? Right?

BREAKING: Rep. Slaughter says Bill Frist and Tom Delay had day-traders working out of their offices
1/18/2006

That would be that much more devastating news for the bush group,...if, the media weren't plastering headlines everywhere on what's his name again?

[LHardy]

Originally posted by avet
Is there ANY "definitive" source?

This purported tape sure does greatly help take the heat off bush & all the bad press, scandals, indictments, resignations, crooked lobbying, throughout his administration. Is it even remotely possible that the purported tape is faked? Is it remotely possible for the gov to make and distribute a fake tape? Is it remotely possible that the media is controlled by the government?

If this purported info can be accepted as true, ....then I can accept this purported news as true also? Right?

BREAKING: Rep. Slaughter says Bill Frist and Tom Delay had day-traders working out of their offices
1/18/2006

That would be that much more devastating news for the bush group,...if, the media weren't plastering headlines everywhere on what's his name again?

Thank You Avet for the definitive answer as to where you stand.

[avet]

Your welcome. I never expected you to answer any questions.

In case you forgot some past headlines (not "purported")
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"CBS reporter David Martin revealed that weeks before the attacks, the CIA had warned Bush personally of Osama Bin Laden’s intent to use hijacked planes as missiles.
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"President Bush's daily intelligence briefings in the weeks leading up to the September 11 terror attacks included a warning of the possibility that Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network would attempt to hijack a U.S.-based airliner, senior administration officials said"
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"George Bush received specific warnings in the weeks before 11 September that an attack inside the United States was being planned by Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network, US government sources said yesterday."
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"US special agents were told to back off the bin Laden family and the Saudi royals soon after George Bush became president,...."
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Q (March 13, 2002): Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Osama bin Laden. Why is that? . . .
Bush: So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him , Kelly, to be honest
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Bush Flatly Declares No Connection Between
Saddam and al Qaeda
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/no-saddam-qaeda.htm
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"I mean, there was a serious international effort to say to Saddam Hussein, you're a threat. And the 9/11 attacks extenuated that threat, as far as I-concerned."
—George W. Bush, Philadelphia, Dec. 12, 2005
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"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."
—George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005

“The rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious. The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly... it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.”
— Joseph Goebbels Nazi Propaganda Minister
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[LHardy]

Originally posted by avet
Your welcome. I never expected you to answer any questions.

In case you forgot some past headlines (not "purported")

“The rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious. The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly... it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.”
— Joseph Goebbels Nazi Propaganda Minister
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Then you do!, believe your propaganda is working. :)

[DR_GONZO]

OBL offering a truce and negotiating rebuilding Iraq and Afghanistan? LOL!!!!!! They better recheck that tape. Sounds more like Osama Bin Rove or Karl Laden made that tape.

[DR_GONZO]

I wonder if Bush sheep actually get more terrified every time, while watching the news report this story, when they always show OBL coming down from the mountain in their broadcasts. It's like, oh-no, here he comes down from the mountain and he gonna get ya! Why do they always show this same footage from the 1980s?

[DR_GONZO]

This is how I think this terror threat will playout:

Breaking News broadcasts will detail how acting on tips from Homeland Security, the CIA, FBI and local authorities from whatever red state city or cities stopped 15-20 foreign muslims from blowing up chemical and natural gas plants. They'll then show detailed terror plots found in a van or car. After that, Bush will come out in his flightsuit declaring 'Mission Accomplished' as his poll numbers soar to record heights. The key here is 'Red States'. The republican party needs this so America will forget about Mr. Abramoff.

[atotaltotalfan2001]

Originally posted by DR_GONZO
This is how I think this terror threat will playout:

Breaking News broadcasts will detail how acting on tips from Homeland Security, the CIA, FBI and local authorities from whatever red state city or cities stopped 15-20 foreign muslims from blowing up chemical and natural gas plants. They'll then show detailed terror plots found in a van or car. After that, Bush will come out in his flightsuit declaring 'Mission Accomplished' as his poll numbers soar to record heights. The key here is 'Red States'. The republican party needs this so America will forget about Mr. Abramoff.

I see so, so much more in this scenario. Local authorities tell us it was the wiretapping of citizens that foiled the alleged new terrorist plot. Also the Patriot Act. Also, Bush intelligence machine discovers that some of the alleged terrorists are from -- you guessed it -- Iran. Moreover, they admit that Iran was the real co-conspirators in 9-11. Iraq was just the fall guy, turns out.

A grateful public gives Bush permanent approval of the Patriot Act, including the right to wiretap anyone, anytime without any system of checks and balances (wait....we already do that) and to toss us in the clinker without due process (ditto).

No time to think about that, though, because we're preparing to go after Iran -- alone mostly, because other countries are tied up in pesky negotiations.

All's well that ends well, though -- except for the boys and girls who get drafted (all Dems, but everyone knows that is just a coincidence). Oh well. Ends justify the means, I always say.:rolleyes:

[atotaltotalfan2001]

Originally posted by atotaltotalfan2001
I see so, so much more in this scenario. Local authorities tell us it was the wiretapping of citizens that foiled the alleged new terrorist plot. Also the Patriot Act. Also, Bush intelligence machine discovers that some of the alleged terrorists are from -- you guessed it -- Iran. Moreover, they admit that Iran was the real co-conspirators in 9-11. Iraq was just the fall guy, turns out.

A grateful public gives Bush permanent approval of the Patriot Act, including the right to wiretap anyone, anytime without any system of checks and balances (wait....we already do that) and to toss us in the clinker without due process (ditto).

No time to think about that, though, because we're preparing to go after Iran -- alone mostly, because other countries are tied up in pesky negotiations.

All's well that ends well, though -- except for the boys and girls who get drafted (all Dems, but everyone knows that is just a coincidence). Oh well. Ends justify the means, I always say.:rolleyes:

Oh, I forgot. Boys and girls don't want to be drafted, giving rise to much chaos. Now, Bush never actually served in Vietnam, but he does remember all those unsightly riots and such. He doesn't want to see that again when the draft is re-instituted, so he....

hmmmm...

imposes martial law (that should keep everyone under control. After all, everyone, at least in the Bush White House, knows division of public opinion will make us seem weak to Iranians);

has the constitution amended so he can serve at least one more term, maybe more.(it's for our own good, really it is!)

Everyone, at least the Bush White House, knows during times of war you need to stay the course and not change leaders in mid stream.

At the rate the White House is going, Bush will be president forever......

[DR_GONZO]

All joking aside, I hope these threats never produce any results.

[atotaltotalfan2001]

Originally posted by DR_GONZO
All joking aside, I hope these threats never produce any results.

Me too. I much prefer my post to be satire, not reality.

[biker]

"Your World with Neil Cavuto" yesterday provided two interesting perspectives on how to deal with OBL's offer of a truce.

Vice-President Cheney: "We don't negotiate with terrorists."

Quiet, resolute, direct.

But boring!!!!

The former head of NYC's Office of Terrorism (IIRC): "I'd invite Osama and his lieutenants to a negotiating conference. When they were all seated, I'd send a Hellfire missile right into the middle of it."

Loud, determined, very very very direct.


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[speaker]

That's the incredible part of this whole thing--and sad. At least half of the American people can't find Bush credible. It has been proven that he manipulates the news, wiretaps for any information he wants, manipulates that information, and is wholly political in whatever he does.
If that was an authentic video of Osama, it would be encouraging because it would seem he's beginning to lose ground. And of course, I'd never want to negotiate or trust him in any way.
But instead, showing that tape creates high anxiety because it looks like it's Bush who's getting desperate and resorting to extreme measures to save himself and the party. And ignoring the fact that he's gotten the world in deep, deep trouble.
The US is weakened on all sides and can't count on the UN to bail us out. We went against all advice and history.

[steven]

Bin Laden confirmed as voice on tape

CASABLANCA, Morocco - Experts have concluded that Osama bin Laden's true voice was heard Thursday for the first time in more than a year, quieting speculation that his long silence meant that he was dead.

U.S. intelligence analysts have judged the tape to be authentic, an intelligence official said. Bin Laden speaks in a low voice; the sound quality is generally poor.

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060120/1071134.asp

[WestSideJohn]

Has anyone seen my duct tape?

[biker]

Originally posted by speaker

The US is weakened on all sides and can't count on the UN to bail us out. We went against all advice and history.

Ummm. Could you remind of that time the UN bailed us out?

I must've missed that episode on Comedy Central.

[biker]

Originally posted by atotaltotalfan2001

No time to think about that, though, because we're preparing to go after Iran -- alone mostly, because other countries are tied up in pesky negotiations.


Look, I gave you a head's up yesterday. Whatsamatter, does Hillary have to send you the memo personally.

The new party line is: Bush has "wasted" the past two years and he "outsourced" the negotiations with Iran to the Europeans.

Let me dumb it down for you: Europeans and negotiations are BAD.

If you don't get with the program, it's off to the Dem Re-education Camp ("DREC") for you.

[atotaltotalfan2001]

Originally posted by biker
Look, I gave you a head's up yesterday. Whatsamatter, does Hillary have to send you the memo personally.

The new party line is: Bush has "wasted" the past two years and he "outsourced" the negotiations with Iran to the Europeans.

Let me dumb it down for you: Europeans and negotiations are BAD.

If you don't get with the program, it's off to the Dem Re-education Camp ("DREC") for you.

Temper, temper, Biker.....Just because you know how to spell whatever it is you want to write doesn't mean you should actually write it.

I don't need you to dumb down anything for me. I have a mind of my own and the mental resources to exercise it. I don't agree with you. That makes me dumb?

Moving on to comments that are not inappropriate.....

I saw an interesting analysis on Fox News, of all places, last night regarding the tape. The talking head (I don't remember his name) thought the tape was actually bin laden's way of reasserting his authority. He said it made little sense otherwise, since obviously the U.S. is not going to negotiate a truce and as yet there is no evidence our intelligence community can find that attacks on the U.S. are coming in the near future.

That made the most sense to me of anything I've read or heard so far.

[speaker]

Originally posted by steven
Bin Laden confirmed as voice on tape

CASABLANCA, Morocco - Experts have concluded that Osama bin Laden's true voice was heard Thursday for the first time in more than a year, quieting speculation that his long silence meant that he was dead.

U.S. intelligence analysts have judged the tape to be authentic, an intelligence official said. Bin Laden speaks in a low voice; the sound quality is generally poor.

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060120/1071134.asp

I know it's been confirmed that it truly is Bin Laden's voice. But when was that tape made and can that be confirmed?

[avet]

He's dying....no,...wait...he's dead!...but,.... here's a new tape, showing him looking ....in quite good shape, and as dangerous as ever!

"perport",...."perported", ....."perportedly", ......over,& over, & over, etc.

That's ALL we EVER get,.... since gwb came into power & wants total, unchecked, non-accountable "definitive" power,....NOT some "perported" power over "all".

C'mon people... it's a proven fact. Look what "non-accountability" did to the oil industry...it's BOOMING! RIGHT????
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Crying Wolf

Each time a new videotape from Osama bin Laden emerges, as one did yesterday, it ends up embarrassing the Bush Administration because the Administration has adopted a tactic of planting stories in the media that bin Laden is dead, which are then conclusively disproven each time a new tape appears. Every since 9/11, the Administration has repeatedly whipped up speculation that Osama bin Laden is dead in order to induce the public into becoming distracted (and scared) by the Evil Ones, and to give the appearance that Commander-in-Chief George Bush is protecting us all by slaying the Big Bad Wolf.

How many times have we heard the Administration or its close allies plant stories in the media indicating or strongly implying that bin Laden is dead - only for the stories to be proven entirely false? Let us count Michael Ledeen, National Review, January 9, 2006

"And, according to Iranians I trust, Osama bin Laden finally departed this world in mid-December. The al Qaeda leader died of kidney failure and was buried in Iran, where he had spent most of his time since the destruction of al Qaeda in Afghanistan."

Christian Science Monitor, 12/21/2005
US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said Wednesday that he doubts Osama bin Laden is in any position to command the worldwide operations of Al Qaeda. The BBC reports that Mr. Rumsfeld told reporters on a flight to Pakistan that bin Laden could still be hiding along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border, but it was hard to know since the terrorist leader had not been heard from in more than a year....

[biker]

Originally posted by atotaltotalfan2001


I saw an interesting analysis on Fox News, of all places, last night regarding the tape. The talking head (I don't remember his name) thought the tape was actually bin laden's way of reasserting his authority. He said it made little sense otherwise, since obviously the U.S. is not going to negotiate a truce and as yet there is no evidence our intelligence community can find that attacks on the U.S. are coming in the near future.

I got so wrapped up in the "Poems of Protest" special last night on Oxygen, that I missed seeing that report.

It sounded interesting.

[avet]

FROM, (of all people) ........ LITTLE GREEN FOOTBALLS ??... (more like "spitballs")

WHO CAN YA BELIEVE ANYMORE ????

george "perported" bush ?? (george w's 4'th cuz)
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monday, january 09, 2006
Osama Bin Dead?

Michael Ledeen says his sources in Iran have told him Osama bin Laden died of kidney failure last month.

According to Iranians I trust, Osama bin Laden finally departed this world in mid-December. The al Qaeda leader died of kidney failure and was buried in Iran, where he had spent most of his time since the destruction of al Qaeda in Afghanistan. The Iranians who reported this note that this year’s message in conjunction with the Muslim Haj came from his number two, Ayman al-Zawahiri, for the first time.
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[avet]

IS IT LIVE... OR IS IT MEMOREX ??

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US casts doubt on bin Laden's latest message
By Toby Harnden in Washington
(Filed: 28/12/2001)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/12/28/wbin28.xml

The recording was dismissed by the Bush administration yesterday as sick propaganda possibly designed to mask the fact the al-Qa'eda leader was already dead.
Mr Bush was not expected to make any public comment on the broadcast.
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The Fake bin Laden
Audio Tape
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/binladen_audio.html

10/16/2002: Israeli sources said Israel and the United States assess that Bin Laden probably died in the U.S. military campaign in Afghanistan in December. They said the emergence of new messages by Bin Laden are probably fabrications, Middle East Newsline reported. [World Tribune]
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[steven]

Originally posted by avet
FROM, (of all people) ........ LITTLE GREEN FOOTBALLS ??... (more like "spitballs")

WHO CAN YA BELIEVE ANYMORE ????

george "perported" bush ?? (george w's 4'th cuz)
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monday, january 09, 2006
Osama Bin Dead?

Michael Ledeen says his sources in Iran have told him Osama bin Laden died of kidney failure last month.

According to Iranians I trust, Osama bin Laden finally departed this world in mid-December. The al Qaeda leader died of kidney failure and was buried in Iran, where he had spent most of his time since the destruction of al Qaeda in Afghanistan. The Iranians who reported this note that this year’s message in conjunction with the Muslim Haj came from his number two, Ayman al-Zawahiri, for the first time.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOO
dont tell me little green footballs was wrong?????????????????