Tonawanda Police Officer Misconduct

[takethepowerback]

Anyone have any info on a story I heard from a very reliable source that a City of Tonawanda police officer was caught with a girl in his patrol car in an inappropriate situation, which was then covered up by a senior police officer?

Not sure if it ever got uncovered pubically and if it is true and was never made public, it should have been. If they're going to hold the people responsible and allow every minor arrest get published in the local paper, someone needs to blow this wide open.

[WNYresident]

Well for starters were they on duty or not.

[moonshine]

Taxpayer subsidized studies have proven that an entire Harem can be comfortably housed in the back of a Dodge PT Cruiser, complete with boxspring and matress.

D.A.R.E to keep your police officers off sluts.

Personally, I don't care if the guy was pulling a Clinton in the back of his oval office. The distraction might of saved me from being harassed. More whores, less wars? :D

Maybe he was questioning a drunken driver that was apprehended at one of the stalinist style, federally funded check-points. More grants, less pants? :eek:

[Night Owl]

Well for starters were they on duty or not.

For starters, was she under age?
For starters, was she willing? (assuming over 18)
For starters, was she coaxed?
For starters, was she drunk?

[takethepowerback]

Well, I did say "in his patrol car" so it should be assumed he was working since they don't take patrol cars home. Secondly, if was off-duty but still using his patrol car as a bedroom, is that not a problem?

I just want to know and find out why the coverup up and no firing? If they're going to hold everyone else to the fire, including being published in the local paper for every little misdemeanor, then they deserve the same kind of open policy on inappropriate activity, especially when taxpayers are footing the bill.

I guess this post was fruitless.

[Chant]

Well yeah, you know how it is... cop, judge, lawyer, politician, and you're the elite of society and above the common man (or woman)

Just look at that Buffalo cop who did the spray and pray bit in that shoot out and killed that 20-year-old girl in her house. (The bullet hole was what... about 12 feet off the ground? Must have been a very tall suspect.)

Now if Joe Average Citizen got into something like that with a criminal, with the same results... he (or she again) would have been crucified, by both the authorities and the media.

Public servants have more privileges (try getting a permit to carry a concealed handgun for protection.) They're suppose to be better trained (How many other incidents where things happen like a cop shooting himself, or partner, in the foot?) And held to a higher standard than the common citizen. (So its okay for me to have a girl in the company car - on company time - as long as she's not as goodlooking as the cop's girl, right???)

I use to be all on the side of law enforcement... many of my friends, schoolmates, and family are cops. It took just one run in with a cop who had no business with a badge... seeing a life-long friend choose the 'blue line' and a cop they barely knew over a close personal friend and his family that they've known for over 50 years. And then learned the hard way that there's no justice in the Justice System... pretty much made me sick of it all.

It be nice if the elite were held to the same standards they force down the throats of the rest of us... but it ain't gonna happen.

[moonshine]

Chant - Well said. Appreciate it.

[BabyBee]

Most definitely there is a cover up going on with the City of Tonawanda Cops.

Its funny, cuz there was a young kid from the high school who was caught sleeping in his car drunk, so they hauled him down to the police station and made an example out of him-in the newspapers and everything...he wasn't bothering anyone mind you...and this was the same time the officer got caught in the squad car with the girlfriend.

So go figure.....the kid gets nailed and named in the paper, but the nothing is mentioned 'bout the cop.

Typical City of Tonawanda for ya.

[sharky]

Originally posted by WNYresident
Well for starters were they on duty or not.

would that matter?
it's still a patrol car even if he is off duty

[WNYresident]

Originally posted by sharky
would that matter?
it's still a patrol car even if he is off duty

Well who's dime was he on when this happened... Yours or his...

Was the patrol car off duty too? If it was his own car would it of made a difference then?

I just wondering if he was on pay time versus his time.

[BabyBee]

It all matters, a whole hell of a lot!

I don't want my tax dollars supporting any "official" (and I use the term loosely) performing sex acts in their patrol car. That's *not* what its for. I bet there were some pretty heavy threats going around for this not to make it to the papers.

These cops think they're above the law, but they're nothing but a bunch of piss ants with authority, that most of them abuse. I remember a time when we could look up to our Tonawanda cops with respect. Not anymore.

[BabyBee]

Oooh.....I just found out from one of Tonawanda's Finest that the "incident" didn't take place in a Tonawanda police car.

And...he told me it should be in the papers within the week.

Very interesting...............

[WNYresident]

Originally posted by BabyBee
Oooh.....I just found out from one of Tonawanda's Finest that the "incident" didn't take place in a Tonawanda police car.

And...he told me it should be in the papers within the week.

Very interesting...............


So then that's good thing it never happened.. why would it make the news?

[buffalojoe]

First of all in defence of the Buffalo officer whos bullet killed that young women. when your getting shot at and return fire it all takes place in a split second. This officer has to go through the rest of his life with the feeling that he took a life of someone he was sworn to protect. He really doesnt need to be judged by some arm chair quarterback who has never even been in that same situation.
Now about the tonawanda cop. here we go again crucify him hes a cop hes not above the law. If it was me I would be in jail. that's a bunch of b.s. If it was you it be an appearance ticket a 50 dollar fine and it wouldn't be all over the news. we don't no what happened, we don't no why. Does that mean this guy should lose his job. people make mistakes hes only human. Dam after a couple of pops and a women comes up to you and wants to give me a hummer you going to say no. 90 % of guys out there would jump at the opportunity. Whether he was wrong or not isn't the question. Yes the 90% by law would be wrong even if it was there own wife or girl friend that they where with in accordance to our laws. Yes he should be punished. should he lose his career. My personal opinion I don't have enough facts to make that call.

[Chant]

Originally posted by buffalojoe
First of all in defence of the Buffalo officer whos bullet killed that young women. when your getting shot at and return fire it all takes place in a split second. This officer has to go through the rest of his life with the feeling that he took a life of someone he was sworn to protect. He really doesnt need to be judged by some arm chair quarterback who has never even been in that same situation.


For the record......

Been shot and wounded by a criminal who was practicing his profession... shot back... got him only and no innocent bystanders.
That sort of puts me on the field. Maybe you shouldn't just assume that everyone else doesn't know what they are talking about.

[biker]

Originally posted by buffalojoe

Now about the tonawanda cop. here we go again crucify him hes a cop hes not above the law. If it was me I would be in jail. that's a bunch of b.s. If it was you it be an appearance ticket a 50 dollar fine and it wouldn't be all over the news. we don't no what happened, we don't no why. Does that mean this guy should lose his job. people make mistakes hes only human. Dam after a couple of pops and a women comes up to you and wants to give me a hummer you going to say no. 90 % of guys out there would jump at the opportunity. Whether he was wrong or not isn't the question. Yes the 90% by law would be wrong even if it was there own wife or girl friend that they where with in accordance to our laws. Yes he should be punished. should he lose his career. My personal opinion I don't have enough facts to make that call.

If this is the calibre of the guy's defence, heaven help him.

[moonshine]

Here, Here Biker! You're not allowed to comment on City of Tonawanda issues. :D

Been shot and wounded by a criminal who was practicing his profession... shot back

Seriously, good for you. My buddy at the Convenience Store on Hinds got knocked over a few weeks ago. I'm sure he would have taken care of some serious business if a hostage wasn't involved. The city could have had a cop on every block and wouldn't have been able to prevent it. I just moved to this city three years ago and still wonder why we need an entire police force. If there were more citizens like Chant willing to protect themselves without the help of a bloated police force we would be in much better shape.

[Chant]

Thanks Moon...

I'm not saying that all cops are bad. I've meet more than a few who take their job and position seriously and want to help Joe Citizen... just as I've met more than a few who have no business carrying a badge because they abuse their position.
Unfortuneately... is the bad ones who frost everyone's ass and kinda makes you sick of the profession as a whole.

The police in general are a noble idea... but they can't be everywhere no matter how many there are. That's why every person living in this society needs to be aware that the police can't be everywhere, at everytime, so there comes a point when they have to realize they need to take at least some responsiblity for their own safety and not totally rely on the police and government to protect them from crime and criminals.

However, lawyers, judges, and politicians have pretty much ham strung that option for Joe Everyday Citizen. In their eyes, you are not wise enough to know when you need to defend yourself. You are not responsible enough to own or carry a weapon for self-defense. You are not of the elite class, thus your life is not worth as much as a member of the ruling caste, so the Second Amendment does not apply to you.

And what the big number one reason you don't deserve a CCW for protection boys and girls...???
They can't have you killing off the gravy train. Criminals are big money to the lawyers and judges that run the courts. A dead one puts no cash in the ole' bank account. A dead citizen made dead by a criminal... Ka-Ching!
A live criminal can be run through the court system several times, fatting the bank roll. A law abidding citizen is nearly worthless... not much money to be made there except in taxes and parking fines... not much in the way of job security as a criminal is either.

And who get to decide if you get that CCW to excerise that mythical constitutional right to keep and bear arms...
A judge!!!

Boy... did we as a people F-up there with that idea or what?

Too late now to get that right back... judges have it and their like that toenail fungus that gets inside your nails and won't come out. Better to ask them to give up breathing than to surrender the god-like power we so foolishly gave them.

[buffalojoe]

It only means one thing,you maybe a better shot. Did you ever think what could of happened if you missed. No because your perfect, it can't happen to you.
Tell you what I will do I'll refrain from telling you how big of an a-hole you really are.

[buffalojoe]

I do apologize for the name calling that was done out of anger and reaction. See I made a mistake but I was able to apoligise for it. I feel good about that. But if I shot someone that was inocent specially a kid. No apology could make me feel good. I probably would eat a bullet myself.
No I'm not happy how this society works. I'm certainly not happy how are police officers are selected for the job. I've have seen plenty of great candidates including myself leave this area to go into law enforcement elsewhere. Its a shame with all the minority hiring and all that bull crap. I believe every officer should serve at least two years in the military.
One thing I do understand is how a bad shoot can go down. I would rather punish the system then the officer. Thats why I took offence to your statement. You being in your field know as well as I do that could of happened to any of us.
I went on to read your other article and you are correct. The biggest graft in New York State is its prison system. Its a money making revolving door and the people in Erie County deserve every bit of what they get. When a D.A. can run unopposed and have both parties endorse him there is a problem. Specially one who is so weak on violent criminals.
Anyhow I'm retired and I live in my cave. I live my life by helping others because its just something I like to do. I belong to a local police organisation and a non-forprofit group. I have many friends and relatives still working in area departments. So yes I will defend the badge because it reflects on everyone that where's it. When someone things one cop is bad then they think there all bad. That is really true and I do believe you know that.
I will admit one thing there are some ass-o coppers out there. But the shooting thing was an accident.
Hey good luck to you and saty safe.

[Chant]

Originally posted by buffalojoe
I do apologize for the name calling that was done out of anger and reaction. See I made a mistake but I was able to apoligise for it. I feel good about that. But if I shot someone that was inocent specially a kid. No apology could make me feel good. I probably would eat a bullet myself.
No I'm not happy how this society works. I'm certainly not happy how are police officers are selected for the job. I've have seen plenty of great candidates including myself leave this area to go into law enforcement elsewhere. Its a shame with all the minority hiring and all that bull crap. I believe every officer should serve at least two years in the military.
One thing I do understand is how a bad shoot can go down. I would rather punish the system then the officer. Thats why I took offence to your statement. You being in your field know as well as I do that could of happened to any of us.
I went on to read your other article and you are correct. The biggest graft in New York State is its prison system. Its a money making revolving door and the people in Erie County deserve every bit of what they get. When a D.A. can run unopposed and have both parties endorse him there is a problem. Specially one who is so weak on violent criminals.
Anyhow I'm retired and I live in my cave. I live my life by helping others because its just something I like to do. I belong to a local police organisation and a non-forprofit group. I have many friends and relatives still working in area departments. So yes I will defend the badge because it reflects on everyone that where's it. When someone things one cop is bad then they think there all bad. That is really true and I do believe you know that.
I will admit one thing there are some ass-o coppers out there. But the shooting thing was an accident.
Hey good luck to you and saty safe.

Well said, Joe... and I agree.

We have many great canidates for these LE positions, that are passed over in favor of Affirmative Action. And look what we, the public, end up with... Thanks to political correct politicians seeking to get re-elected.

Wanna make the hiring process fair? Its really simple... Give every person taking the test an ID number, that's what they will use - no names, no race, no gender... just a number.
You have 200 openings, then you go to the number assignment list and call in the top 200 scores to be interviewed. If 50 fail the interview - pull the next 50 in and keep going till you get the 200 you need. You keep pulling from the list as people pass or fail the tests until you have your quota.
Man, woman, black, white, or purple... the best 200 get the jobs based on their performance - not their race or sex. Of course military service should get whatever bonus credits toward consideration, as long as they are mentally and physically fit for the job.

Sound fair to anyone? It pretty much does to me. Think the politicians would go for it? Not a chance... the people unfit for the job far outnumber the people who are... no career politician is gonna cut his chance at the voting polls by doing something that makes too much sense. Better to have a few cops with drug dealer side jobs selling their wares from patrol cars and keep the unwashed masses happy and voting - then to put the really qualified people in the prowl cars where the other dirtbags might get offended because the good cop's the wrong color or doesn't have the right gender plumbing.

Basically, I'd be happy if the rest of law abidding society had the same rights and privilages that LE Officer's do as far as personal protection. A cop or politician has nothing to fear from me being armed. And my life is just as valuable as a cops, lawyer's, judges, or politicians... not any more so, but no any less either. Everyone should be equal in that regard.

My only point by bringing up the shooting of an innocent girl was that if a armed citizen had done it... the politically correct rulers of society would have burned Mr./Ms. Citizen at the stake. It just so happened to be a cop who did it... and the powers-that-be now recognize the incident as the tragic accident it is.
I'm only asking for a little equality here. Cop or citizen, that person has to live with the torment of taking a innocent life by mistake. Drug dealer shooting at a person - no sane person is going to stand there and think "I'd shoot back but I might hit somebody else by mistake, so I'm just gonna let the dealer kill me."
If its understandable for a cop to make the mistake in that situation, it should be also understandable for the citizen to do likewise. One standard for everybody, regardless of your position in life. Nobody wants to be in that situation, nobody I think goes out and looks for it. Its more the criminal picked it for you, cop or citizen... set the blame on him.
But enough of these double standards we seem to have going on here.

[biker]

Originally posted by moonshine
Here, Here Biker! You're not allowed to comment on City of Tonawanda issues. :D


Everyone ever pulled over by Tonawanda police gets to comment.

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