View Full Version : Extra 1% of Sales Tax.
Curmudgeon
September 1st, 2003, 06:05 PM
Everybody wants to divvy up the "temporary emergency" 1% sales tax that was enacted a long, long, time ago. What everyone is really doing is dreaming up new and clever ways to redistribute wealth. Well, I have the solution... and here it is.
Let the 1% be given to whatever town or city it was spent in. That is, if it is spent in Buffalo, let it go to Buffao. If it's spent in Amherst, Amherst gets it. None goes to the county at all. Then we can stop filtering money through 2 or 3 layers of "government assistance" shell games and the political deals that go with it.
This would be a great way for local government to encourage local retail. I hear a lot of people bitching on this site about retail not paying it's way in terms of roads, etc.. Well, this fixes that! Got a strip mall? Now you have a cash cow - right into your town coffers. You don't want retail sprawl? that's OK too. But you lose out on the money. Your choice. Sounds fair to me.
And, it would make local leaders think twice about taxing local business to death. You lose a business, you lose TWO revenue streams - property tax & sales tax! This takes power away from government leaders and empowers consumers and business owners.
Well, what do you think?
WNYresident
September 1st, 2003, 06:08 PM
I think all taxes to a point should only be spent where they are generated. NONE of this the state gets it all and then decided which place they would like it spent. I mean to a point..
Curmudgeon
September 1st, 2003, 06:11 PM
Well, that is true but you wern't very specific on my proposal. ;)
sbGUY27
September 3rd, 2003, 12:56 AM
If we could break down Buffalo and give it to the sections that generate revenue. But they will gove it to the poor sections where it will go down the gutter like everything else there.
Any way sounds good. Why not get some comp going.
WNYresident
September 3rd, 2003, 09:24 PM
I want my 1% back, they lied, they said it was temporary.
Allyssa
September 3rd, 2003, 09:29 PM
If we could break down Buffalo and give it to the sections that generate revenue. But they will gove it to the poor sections where it will go down the gutter like everything else there.
sbguy,
Is what you're saying a matter of keeping the poor people poorer while the well to do... go off and do well???
WNYresident
September 3rd, 2003, 09:55 PM
There will always be poor poeple and there will always be rich people.
But you do get to a point where you just get tired of supporting people. Has anyone done a study if poorer people have more kids per person than rich people? I'm just curious.
Unregistered
September 4th, 2003, 10:36 AM
Everyone is allowed to have a family. What do you want? Sterilize everyone that can't earn over $5000 a year?
F
sbGUY37
September 5th, 2003, 09:17 AM
Allyssa,
Yes that is what I say. Poor people are poor for one reason. Laziness. If you are too lazy to get a job then that is your problem not mine. If you were too lazy to get good grades in school then that is your problem not mine. Keep rewarding the lazy people for doing nothing and you are bound to run out of money.
How long can you let your 35 year old jobless son sponge off of you before he becomes a burden?
ANd you really know how to get people off the thread subject.
Curmudgeon
September 5th, 2003, 10:01 AM
Everyone is allowed to have a family. What do you want? Sterilize everyone that can't earn over $5000 a year?
silly
You confuse the right to have children with "the right to have someone else pay for those childrens upbringing".
extra 1% should be reverted to a "city/town" sales tax.
So simple!
Allyssa
September 5th, 2003, 01:11 PM
sbGUY
ANd you really know how to get people off the thread subject.
First of all, asking a question that is in refference to what another says doesn't classify me as "going off thread" topics. Had I of posted something about the Buffalo Public schools that didn't coinside with the thread topic... only then you can say I'm off-topic.
Secondly, if I find Derogatory statements in what someone says... It is humanly moral to question it. Example: "But they will give it to the poor sections where it will go down the gutter like everything else there" you shouldn't presume to understand the life of a poor person and the circumstances that brought about their limited means just because they are poor.
(I think you have resorted to sterotyping a classification of people whom are different than yourself in the words you said)
Some people inherite poorness. Growing up in dire financial situations could be the only life they know and so they raise thier children in poorness. Just the same as a rich person, only difference is... the rich often take for granted the fine things they have. And an uneducated person doesn't mean poorness as well. As evidence is clearly represented in some of our "bogus" elected officials.
and "Poor people are poor for one reason. Laziness." only applies for a small percentage of citizens. Some are poor from drug use, some are poor because they are 'single parent' homes. Not all people with money troubles have an obscene amount of children either. Often, poor families have but two to three children.
And so I simply inquired into your notions that poor people don't deserve* a share in the 1% sales tax that, they as well have paid into just like the 'well to do'.
*deserving in a sense of their community to share just as much as not-so poor communities...
don't mistaken what I said as a "government hand-out"
WNYresident
September 5th, 2003, 01:24 PM
and "Poor people are poor for one reason. Laziness." only applies for a small percentage of citizens. Some are poor from drug use, some are poor because they are 'single parent' homes. Not all people with money troubles have an obscene amount of children either. Often, poor families have but two to three children.
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tHere are far more lazy people than you think on the tax rolls.
Drug use was thier choice and most single parent homes were because they couldn't keep thier legs closed. I dont believe in supporting peoples mistakes. Plus if you are poor and can't pay the bills now DON"T HAVE KIDS. Period. If that means no sex because you can't afford birth control then that's the way it is.
There's not enough fear in our politicians for accountability or enough fear in kids knowing you have to pay for your mistakes. I see supporting the children, elderly to a point, or the mentallly retarded. BUT if you can pick up a broom you are going to work. Period.
Curmudgeon
September 5th, 2003, 04:09 PM
a share in the 1% sales tax that, they as well have paid into just like the 'well to do'.
Ahh, no.
SALES tax is a tax on purchases. Poor people purchase a lot less stuff than non-poor people because THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY. So they have paid a lot less than their non-poor counterparts.
That is called "redistribution of wealth", a subject you hold dear.
I would like you to send me a check for $50 please. I've determined that I'm poor and I should get some of your money. Please reply with an address that I can send a self-addressed-stamped-envelope to so I can get my check.
Allyssa
September 5th, 2003, 07:37 PM
Okay, I see, you guys have lumped together all of the underprivileged people together in one category: trash --baby-baring, lazy, non-spending trailer park waste. I could be wrong, but that’s what it’s beginning to sounds like.
Yes, there are countless amounts of people who have taken advantage of the welfare system for generations, this I know. And yet, there are still a number of ones who’ve just fallen on “hard luck” times. Are you saying they aren’t as worthy as everyone else because of their situation? Average citizens trying to make ends meet, working their jobs, paying bills, buying the necessities and still coming up short by the end of their paychecks.
These are known as the “working class poor” which you (both) have dismissed in a grouping with those who prefer to remain poor. In English: you have them stamped and labeled with those who would like to milk the system forever.
Crum,
Are you a current New York resident?
dtwarren
September 5th, 2003, 07:50 PM
The 1% "temporary" rate increase should be ended.
Curmudgeon
September 5th, 2003, 09:39 PM
The 1% "temporary" rate increase should be ended.
an even better solution. The "temporary" label makes a laughingstock out of the entire system.
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