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steven
September 27th, 2005, 11:54 AM
I start this thread only for those so called republicans on the board that think everyone that dislikes bush must be a liberal. I fear these people that mascarade as conservitives "got the religion" after listening to the fat drug addict on the radio. Five minutes of listening to him for the first time convinced me he was not a conservitive. His clownish manner and habit of making fun of other peoples names fly in the face of what conservitisim is all about. IMHO.

What is a neoconservitive?

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As one wag writes, a neoconservitive is more familiar with the inside of a think tank than an Abrams tank.


What do real conserviteves have to say about the record deficits Bush is running up?

The American Conservitive:

Conservatives Demand Administration and Congress Check Out-of-Control Federal Spending

Alexandria, VA - The American Conservative Union, the nation's oldest and largest conservative grassroots organization, today called on President Bush and the Republican leadership in Congress to take immediate action to rein in federal spending.

Annual non-military and non-homeland security spending increased $303 Billion between Fiscal Year 2001 and Fiscal Year 2005. The acknowledged Federal Debt has increased over $2 Trillion since Fiscal Year 2000 and now stands at $7.9 Trillion.

“This ever mounting federal debt has been inexcusably passed on to future generations without regard as to how the debt will be repaid,” Keene said.

“Because of these massive increases in federal largess, conservatives throughout the United States are increasingly losing faith in the President and the Republican Leadership in Congress to adequately prioritize and rein in overall federal spending,” Keene concluded.

http://www.conservative.org/pressroom/2005/050913.asp

The American Cause

Conservatism: A house divided

If one were to name the two elected leaders of the last third of the 20th century who best represented the conservative creed in national politics, they would be Ronald Reagan and Jesse Helms (whose memoir, "Here's Where I Stand," is out this week). It is a defining difference between a traditional conservative and a neocon that the former would name Helms as the best senator of the era, while the latter would name "Scoop" Jackson or Pat Moynihan.

Which raises a question. While the Republican Party today controls the White House and Congress, how stands conservatism, using Reagan-Helms as the gold standard?

On tax cuts, a strong national defense and the nomination of federal judges who believe America is a republic where the people rule through elected representatives, not a judicial dictatorship, George W. Bush meets the gold standard.

But on spending, Bush and Congress do not even meet the Clinton standard. They qualify as Great Society Conservatives. The Republican Revolution of 1994 turned out like that vaunted Vanguard we launched after Sputnik that got four feet off the ground.

On foreign aid – given the increases for Africa , the Middle East and the Millennium Challenge – the president and Congress seem squarely in the liberal internationalist tradition. They believe in it.

On social issues, the GOP remains a pro-life party, but less volubly than it once was, with House and Senate Republicans moving to back embryonic stem-cell research. Rather than battleground issues on which the GOP likes to fight, these are wedge issues on which the GOP likes to campaign in October to rally the Red Staters. And the base is beginning to get the message. They are the girls of summer who are dumped when the boys go back to school.

On sovereignty, the White House has maintained its opposition to the Kyoto Protocol and International Criminal Court but continues to accept the dictations of a World Trade Organization, to which the Gingrich-Dole internationalists subordinated U.S. sovereignty in '94.

http://www.theamericancause.org/a-pjb-050831-divided.htm

Sorry the post is so long but I thought at least two articles where called for. I can post many more if anyone is interested.

moadib
September 27th, 2005, 07:34 PM
You want to know the difference between a liberal and a neoconservative

Just look to the major political parties in Israel, since most of their top echelon power brokers have dual Israeli / US Citizenship and are intricately involved in Liberal and Neoconservative Think Tanks and Washington Lobbyists.

I think it boils down to this
-neoconservatives try to control the Republican party are the Israeli hawk party and they think nothing of spying on the US (of which they legalized much of it in an intelligence sharing treaty) or feeding the US and Europe false intelligence to accomplish Israeli policy. In other words, they strongly advocate the use of US military to fight all the wars threatening Israel. Neocons were the ones not just pushing for the war in Iraq but Iran and Syria and Lebanon.

-the liberals control try to control the Democratic party are the Israely Dove party and their more focussed on extracating US business to Israel, to maintain or increase US foreign and Military Aid and to things like energy independence so the US no longer has to balance any loyalty to the Muslim states for economic reasons.

By controlling the think tanks of both parties and the lobbying groups as well as many of the major white house consultants since the Nixon Administration....Israel has managed to practically dictate US foreign policy in the middle east and force our involvement in nearly every threat to Israeli destroying our ability to be fair and impartial peace brokers and resulting in the untold deaths of american soldiers.

buffknut
September 27th, 2005, 07:40 PM
steven, I may disagree with you but at least you are not a troll like the hijacker on board this thread.

I do not like deficit spending but I do not believe the blame is all on Bush.

The term neocon seems to me to be a made up term meant to degrade.

I think this thread will degrade until the administrator kicks the troll out again so I won't say any more.

LaNdReW
September 27th, 2005, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by buffknut
steven, I may disagree with you but at least you are not a troll like the hijacker on board this thread.

I do not like deficit spending but I do not believe the blame is all on Bush.

The term neocon seems to me to be a made up term meant to degrade.

I think this thread will degrade until the administrator kicks the troll out again so I won't say any more.

I thought it just meant New Conservative. Not degrading.

I think it is the people who are NeoCons who degrade the name.

If you want made up names meant to degrade, I bet you can hear at least 10 on WBEN tomorrow between 12:00 and 12:30.
(its probably more like 20)