Greg Olma

[Unregistered]

How does one get the figure that Greg Olmas wife was paid off to keep yor mouth shut at the ECWA? They said it was 6 figures of our tax payers money. I'm a tax payer and I demand to know. Who was the Judge that put the gag order on the case so that Giambra and the Mayor wouldn't have to got to court? Was this Judge one of thier friends?

[Unregistered]

I'm sure it was a friend. & I'm positive we will never know the exact $$$ amount.... But it's your fault for voting these a$$holes into office.

This is the reason people leave the city....
People choose to spend thier money on the right things. Unfortuanly the city of Buffalo does not so they leave the city where their money is spend on better causes.

[Unregistered]

Has anyone heard how much the payoff was for the Olma's. I wonder how much they knew of the curruption that the county paid them to be quiet. Now seeing it's all coming to light with the county they could open up and help the tax payer.

F

[Unregistered]

Greg's wife serves on the B&ECPL board of trustees. Wonder how much corruption is involved there. Building multi Million dollar projects and claiming it's in the name of consolidation and saving money, is enough to ask the board to take a hike.

The truth is coming out.

DF

[Unregistered]

Well building multimillion dollar buildings isn't curruption. It's a waste of taxpayer money if the backback of savings is decades.

[buffalofamily]

Well building multimillion dollar buildings isn't curruption. It's a waste of taxpayer money if the backback of savings is decades.

It may never save even a penny. Making up projects that are not needed with public funds, what would that be called?

bf

[buffalofamily]

Unregistered said:

How does one get the figure that Greg Olmas wife was paid off to keep yor mouth shut at the ECWA? They said it was 6 figures of our tax payers money. I'm a tax payer and I demand to know. Who was the Judge that put the gag order on the case so that Giambra and the Mayor wouldn't have to got to court? Was this Judge one of thier friends?

Anyone ever firgure out how much $$$?

BF

[buffalofamily]

How does one get the figure that Greg Olmas wife was paid off to keep yor mouth shut at the ECWA? They said it was 6 figures of our tax payers money.

A political web site reported it was $300,000.00

And her lawyer was .....

















Jim Ostrowski


Greg's wife serves on the B&ECPL board of trustees. Wonder how much corruption is involved there. Building multi Million dollar projects and claiming it's in the name of consolidation and saving money, is enough to ask the board to take a hike.

Now they are spending $15,000,000.00+ on the downtown library while claiming they can't support our branch libraries.

What say U Jim O

BF

[therising]

Originally posted by buffalofamily
A political web site reported it was $300,000.00

And her lawyer was .....

Jim Ostrowski


What say U Jim O

BF

In all fairness to Ostrowski, you can't expect him to comment on a case involving his client.

[buffalofamily]

In all fairness to Ostrowski, you can't expect him to comment on a case involving his client.

You Can't? Why not. Lawyers speak after a case is over all the time.

Hmmmmmmm!

BF

[Jim Ostrowski]

What's the question?

[Curmudgeon]

What's the question?

J.O.:
There is no "question". You should know that. You're threatening the status-quo and now certain interests will do their best to discredit you by any means possible.

This includes examining every person you've represented in your entire career, and if they are found to be unsavory, associating you with them.

Let's hope 100.00% of your former clients are and/or were not guilty of anything!

They don't want you to answer with "they came in my office and hired me to do legal work for them by the hour". That answer doesn't further their agenda, no matter how true it might be.

Be prepared to find snoops inside your closet looking for skeletons... If they can't find any, they might even being their own to stick in there.

I would almost describe what you're doing as an "insurgency". And, the war handbook says the best way to put down an insurgency is to attack it as soon as possible with overwhelming force.

Hijacking the primary process to affect reform and removal of incumbents is absolute genius. And an Achilles heel of the status-quo. The more successful you are at this, the more you’ll see stuff like the above. So, a word of advice to you from someone who is habitually paranoid – watch your back! And good luck.

[Deerhunter]

if Olmas wife settled for 300k with the Water Authority. They believe you represented her. I think thats what they were asking.

[tomac]

Originally posted by Deerhunter
if Olmas wife settled for 300k with the Water Authority. They believe you represented her. I think thats what they were asking.

There was more to that settlement. She was also given a job in the Highway Division "earning" $42,000 per annum. She started in 2003, about six months before I retired in November.

[buffalofamily]

if Olmas wife settled for 300k with the Water Authority. They believe you represented her. I think thats what they were asking.
YEP, that's one thing being asked.


There was more to that settlement. She was also given a job in the Highway Division "earning" $42,000 per annum. She started in 2003, about six months before I retired in November.

Is this true?

We should be sure Lawyer Mr. Jim O. is not part of the problem. I'm not so sure that he's not part of a bigger agenda...

Jim O sez:

What's the question?

Mr. Jim O -- the public has many.

BF

[Curmudgeon]

BF:

Let me guess what your first question would be:

"If your people tale control of the county legislature, are you going to close my libraries???"

Nothing like some thinly veiled self-interest to start a conversation...

[Jim Ostrowski]

Really, seriously, if someone asked me a grammatically-intelligible question, I would try to answer it.

If the question is, did I represent someone in some lawsuit, I have a question, why do you ask? What's the point? Is this forum a discussion about my law practice?

As for Free Buffalo and JO, it's all laid out on the websites. I can't imagine anyone having any questions about the purpose of FB after reading its statement of purpose and its plan.

1. Make government way smaller.
2. Make it closer to the people.
3. Eliminate special interest group politics.

If you're against that agenda, have the gumption to say so!

[jbinbny]

I dont disagree with any of the points you make. But I do disagree with you on regionalism. I'm for it and your not!

[citymouse]

The form of regionalism that is being proposed is a farce. If you are for what has been proposed so far, then you are one of those people that hangs on a buzzword and dosen't bother with the details.
A city county merger is not regionalism. It is just transfer of control of patronage from one group of politicians to another.
How is it regionalism when no other towns and villages in Erie county are involved?
When they presented thier vague "plan" they gave few details and never said where the savings would come from that they projected.
Get evry town in the county on board and then come up with a plan.
I don't think you can save money on beauracrcie by making it larger.

[jbinbny]

Not the current plan, no.

But I do support regionalism.

It's just a matter of time!

[buffalofamily]

If the question is, did I represent someone in some lawsuit, I have a question, why do you ask? What's the point? Is this forum a discussion about my law practice?

Nothing worse than someone answering a question with a question. Got something to hide?

Here goes:

Did you represent Greg Olma's wife in a lawsuit?

What was gained as far as settlement monies?

Your group "Free Buffalo" and Leonard's Group PC have been linked to OLMA.

Many questions and answers are being asked.

The point is that you are the head of a movement to make changes. Greg and his wife are part of the problem in Buffalo and Erie County.

This forum is about all kinds of discussion. Your practice does come into question.

BF

[Curmudgeon]

nothing I like better then innuendo and anonymous accusations...

so I'LL answer them:


Did you represent Greg Olma's wife in a lawsuit?
Apparently he did. He didn't deny it and it's a matter of public record, anyway. That's what lawyers do - represent people.


What was gained as far as settlement monies?
My guess is 1/3. That seems to be the standard rate for contingency lawyers. By the way, how much do YOU make an hour?


Your group "Free Buffalo" and Leonard's Group PC have been linked to OLMA.
By whom? What SPECIFIC information so you have?


Many questions and answers are being asked.
How does one ask an answer???


Your practice does come into question.
Your (so far) baseless accusations come into question. Either come up with relevant and specific dirt or prepare to be mocked mercilessly. And please, refrain from using your GIANT SLOGANS. They only generate an emotional response with people who have an I.Q. of 95 and lower...

[speaker]

I think that list of questions is fair enough. Why don't you answer, JO? You are now a public figure and people want to know these things. I know that I don't want to hear the details, just the truth of the matter.
You've got to admit it sounds as if you got involved in a conflict of interest, and now would be a very opportune to clear things up. It would be good to hear them from you rather than have someone search them out.
I know, your life, and everyone's, is private but you happen to be sitting on a fence that's a little tippy.

[moonshine]

Your group "Free Buffalo" and Leonard's Group PC have been linked to OLMA.

And you want JO to prove that he isn't linked to olma? How many other negatives would you like him to prove?

[tomac]

Originally posted by speaker
I think that list of questions is fair enough. Why don't you answer, JO? You are now a public figure and people want to know these things. I know that I don't want to hear the details, just the truth of the matter.
You've got to admit it sounds as if you got involved in a conflict of interest, and now would be a very opportune to clear things up. It would be good to hear them from you rather than have someone search them out.
I know, your life, and everyone's, is private but you happen to be sitting on a fence that's a little tippy.

Anyway, be happy for Greg and Annette! On April 4th, they welcomed Maximlian Balse Olma into the world. Mother and son are doing well, I'm told.

[Jim Ostrowski]

I guess this forum is a one-way street--I get to answer questions; no one has to answer mine. You know who I am; I don't know who you are.

Okay. I can't comment on a lawsuit involving the Erie County Water Authority.

I will say in general terms that in researching court cases, one would do well to check the Buffalo News.

Greg Olma is a good friend of mine and I do represent him in a lawsuit over a false arrest and false charges of harassing election inspectors.

Greg has a lot of enemies in this town and they like to spread false rumors about him. It's part of the sick political culture around here. Basically, anyone who rocks the corrupt boat in this town gets pilloried. They did it to me; they did it to Dick Kern.

Oh my, who represents Dick Kern? Who got all those charges dismissed recently after years of court battles. Why hasn't the News reported it yet? That'll keep the conspiracy theorists busy for a few days.

[Curmudgeon]

First off, I'd like to say that I don't know any of these people.


Greg Olma is a good friend of mine and I do represent him in a lawsuit over a false arrest and false charges of harassing election inspectors.

I do recall the fairly laughable accusation that was later dismissed as completely unreliable. Something to do with keeping black people away from the polls on the east side.

Seems to me that if some white guy was trying to keep people away from the polls, the media would be there in a heartbeat or the white guy would be full of bullet holes.

Sounds to me like the old guard wanted him gone and tried to do something to him to get him out. When he protested, they paid him off via a lawsuit rather then have him air his dirty laundry in open court.

So, the people who are responsible for this are the people on the other side of the settlement who spent YOUR TAX MONEY to keep whatever Olma knew from getting out. It could be said that Olma could be bought, and that ain't good. It could also be said he was looking out for the best interests of his family. That's OK too. But, if he was bought, he should take his check and go elsewhere. He is now tainted by a suspect settlement, right or wrong. If he doesn't like that, he should have never settled.


That being said, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO with J.O. That he has the courage to say say he is a friend of Olma says something about his HONESTY, which is a lot more than other people in WNY.

[buffalofamily]

JO Stated:

I guess this forum is a one-way street--I get to answer questions; no one has to answer mine.

And asked:

I have a question, why do you ask? What's the point? Is this forum a discussion about my law practice?

I ask because you want people to follow your "freebuffalo" org. or think tank or whatever it is you are doing. I ask because I want to know who you are associated with. The forum is not about law practice. This topic "thread" is asking about who you work for as a lawyer and what impact it may have with your group.


You know who I am; I don't know who you are.

Yes we know who you are...you have made yourself a PUBLIC figure...Get used to it.

BF

[Curmudgeon]

I ask because you want people to follow your "freebuffalo" org. or think tank or whatever it is you are doing. I ask because I want to know who you are associated with. The forum is not about law practice. This topic "thread" is asking about who you work for as a lawyer and what impact it may have with your group.

Hey, BF: Do you have any damning information about this J.O.? If so, SPIT IT OUT! If not, shut up!

Please stop wasting our time with loaded questions insinuating that this J.O. is up to no good.

I won't tolerrate baseless character assasination. I encourage factual disclosure of "scumbag-idness".

So, let's see your hand, BF. We're calling you...

[speaker]

Wow, Curm, everyone has the right to ASK these questions. There are no hidden agendas, as far as I can see.
We'd all better be asking these questions of a lot of people--wish we had done it a long time ago.

[WNYresident]

There's nothing wrong with asking questions but when the questions are asked in a way to cast a negative light on a topic it's wrong.

Plus in some cases a lot of these questions could be answered point blank if the question askers went to the meetings or directly emailed the people involved and asked.

Speakup has a lot of readers but don't assume everyone reads speakup and is here to answer your questions.

Here I'm going to ask a question and I expect it answered.
-----------------------------------
President Bush?

Why are you letting haliburtion seem to waste our tax money for the war in iraq?
------------------------------------

Now I expect George to answer this question before I get back home tonite.

[omar]

What exactly did this guy Olma do?

How is he bad?

[buffalofamily]

What exactly did this guy Olma do?

He is a former county legislator. Others can chime in on what he's done. I know he's a person I would not associate with for my own personal reasons.


CRUMZ SEZ:


Hey, BF: Do you have any damning information about this J.O.? If so, SPIT IT OUT! If not, shut up!

i didn't say I had any damning info ar anything. I just won't associate with groups tied to OLMA.

So, I should shut up?
No I won't, but you should. Crumzie - you should butt out... you are not from here from what I recall.

BF

[Curmudgeon]

He is a former county legislator. Others can chime in on what he's done. I know he's a person I would not associate with for my own personal reasons.

No I won't, but you should. Crumzie - you should butt out... you are not from here from what I recall.


Well, why don't you educate us about what a bad person he is? I'd sure like to know! Butt out? Where am I from??

OK.

Here's my theory, BF:

You have a vested interest in seeing any reform movement fail, including J.O.'s organization. Why is that? You are a RABID LIBRARY SUPPORTER. You're terrified that if the county leadership is replaced by reformers, the first thing to go will be your precious libraries and your library people will be completely disregarded.

So, you come here and spew rumor and innuendo, with the express purpose of undermining a potential reformer's credibility to further your own narrow political agenda.

Like I said, if you've got dirt, let's see it. If you don't, shut up.

The reason why you want me to "butt out" is that every time you attempt this underhanded rumor strategy, I'm here pointing out just how sleazy and self-serving it is. And, when I do that, it defeats the purpose of spreading your rumors. I'm effectively exposing you for what you are. Not only are you not helping your cause - you're actively hurting it.

Also, where have the GIANT SLOGANS gone? I really enjoyed them. Here's one:

DYSLEXICS OF THE WORLD, UNTIE!!

Have a nice day.

[buffalofamily]

Where am I from??

Well -where do you now live???


The reason why you want me to "butt out" is that every time you attempt this underhanded rumor strategy, I'm here pointing out just how sleazy and self-serving it is.

Butt out.. you told me to shut up so I can play fair and tell you to butt out.


You are a RABID LIBRARY SUPPORTER.
Wrong. I against spend millions of borrowed money on library construction. I against the money they want to "Bond" and put us further in debt.

Crum, I'm WAY Ahead of the reformers when it comes to stopping the wasteful spending.

Libraries YES

Giambra's wasteful construction projects NO

CRUM ..PRICELESS

BF

[omar]

I'm at a loss, here. Why is this guy Olma so bad.

I did some online research and I really haven't seen anything that would justify the ad hominem attacks.

Unless stopping Steve Pigeon from becoming an Erie County Water Authority was wrong. Or opposing Chuck Swanick was a bad idea.

[tomac]

Originally posted by omar
I'm at a loss, here. Why is this guy Olma so bad.

I did some online research and I really haven't seen anything that would justify the ad hominem attacks.

Unless stopping Steve Pigeon from becoming an Erie County Water Authority was wrong. Or opposing Chuck Swanick was a bad idea.

Far as I can tell, it's because he's a politician (hmm, there may be something to that ;) ). Furthermore, he's a politician that stood up to Joel and was hammered down. He filed a lawsuit when some of his perks were taken away, legally or illegally (JO might be able to go into deeper detail). Since then, his reputation has been smeared constantly by the Giambra camp and the people that believe them.
Remember also, that Al DiBennidetti was Joel's pal until they had a falling out. Joel even got his goomba Lenny Schillino to run against Al.
Ahhh Politics, today's alliances are tomorrow's enemies..... :rolleyes:

[buffalofamily]

tomac SEZ:
Furthermore, he's a politician that stood up to Joel and was hammered down. He filed a lawsuit when some of his perks were taken away, legally or illegally (JO might be able to go into deeper detail).

Please fill us in.

BF

[buffy]

Everything you want to know about Olma is archived on the Buffalo News website. It's way too long and involved for anyone to explain it for you here I personally didn't think he was a bad person; unfortunately he got caught up in some pretty dirty politics back in the Pigeon days. I remember when Pigeon tried to redraw Olmas district lines to try to oust him. Man, that was ugly. Those were dark days.

Anyways, I have to say something about libraries. My little "Fairfield" branch library was a godsend to me as a little girl growing up with an abusive father. I must have walked to that library two, three times a week to get away from him and have some peace. Always open, always clean, friendly, helpful, quiet. I cultivated a love for reading there. It was a great escape delving into stories of another place and time. I think libraries serve the community well and add priceless quality to our lives. I know it did for me.

[buffalofamily]

Buff Sez:
I think libraries serve the community well and add priceless quality to our lives. I know it did for me.

AMEN

BF

[Curmudgeon]

Anyways, I have to say something about libraries. My little "Fairfield" branch library was a godsend to me as a little girl growing up with an abusive father. I must have walked to that library two, three times a week to get away from him and have some peace. Always open, always clean, friendly, helpful, quiet. I cultivated a love for reading there. It was a great escape delving into stories of another place and time. I think libraries serve the community well and add priceless quality to our lives. I know it did for me.

That is a heartwarming story.

That being said, I don't think it's the taxpayers intention to create a library system that serves a secondary purpose of being a refuge for abused children, accessable by walking to every county child....

If that's your anecdote for supporting a bloated system with way too many branches, then you've confused the libraries mission.

[therising]

The Tax and Spend Liberal in me says that, if the libraries help some young kids get away from an abusive father, then I'm all for them.

The annoying bastard in me says "how come the word Library creeps into every thread". It really gets quite monotonous.

I recommend a library - free week on these boards. Maybe admin can add the "L" word to the censor list. Type in the word "Library" and your computer automatically gets a virus.:D

[Curmudgeon]

The annoying bastard in me says "how come the word Library creeps into every thread". It really gets quite monotonous.

Yes. I couldn't agree more. That's the myopia of the "libary crowd" for ya...

It's terrifying how special-interests will stop at nothing to impose their will on the rest of us.

[buffalofamily]

The rize SEZ:
The annoying bastard in me says "how come the word Library creeps into every thread". It really gets quite monotonous.

CRUMZ BROUGHT UP THE LIBRARY IN HIS THEORY:

Here's my theory, BF:

You have a vested interest in seeing any reform movement fail, including J.O.'s organization. Why is that? You are a RABID LIBRARY SUPPORTER.

Crum brought up libraries again. Buffy simply replyed with her story. A story of thousands of ways libraries have helped society.

I'm for reform, but I want my TAXES to be properly spent on libraries, not patronage, furniture, coffee shops, cell phones...

Now back to OLMA.

BF

[omar]

OK, BF, now explain what exactly is your specific beef with OLMA.

[buffalofamily]

OK, BF, now explain what exactly is your specific beef with OLMA.
I personally don't have a "beef" with Olma...

Knowing his past, and that he was part of the problem in EC government, I don't think he or certain folks connected with him should be part of any group I would associate with.

I just want to make sure what a group is REALLY about before I join in.

I'm NOT joining the group.

BF

[tomac]

Originally posted by buffalofamily
I personally don't have a "beef" with Olma...
Knowing his past, and that he was part of the problem in EC government, I don't think he or certain folks connected with him should be part of any group I would associate with.
I just want to make sure what a group is REALLY about before I join in.
I'm NOT joining the group.
BF

This grass-roots groups, "Buffalo First"? Do they have a web site or some such where a voter could read the bios and get to know the people that this group's backing for office?
A couple of the names sound familiar and anyway, I want to see who'll be running against Cusak.

[Curmudgeon]

Knowing his past, and that he was part of the problem in EC government, I don't think he or certain folks connected with him should be part of any group I would associate with.

?????

WHAT EXACTLY did Olma do? You've been asked several times! Spit it out! I'd like to know myself. If you don't know anything, say so....

Geez.....

[therising]

This thread was about a year and a half old when BF re-opened it.

It has nothing to do with Olma, she's using it as an attack on his atty.

[Curmudgeon]

This thread was about a year and a half old when BF re-opened it.

It has nothing to do with Olma, she's using it as an attack on his atty.

I didn't think it did.... Thanks for clarifying that, rising.

She's terrified that the atty and his crew will come in and change everything. In all the confusion, we might even see some library closures...

[buffalofamily]

tomac SEZ:
This grass-roots groups, "Buffalo First"? nope, I'm speaking of free buffalo.

The rise SEZ:

This thread was about a year and a half old when BF re-opened it. Wrong...all topics remain open on this site, unless offensive ...

therise also states:


It has nothing to do with Olma, she's using it as an attack on his atty.WRONG... Yes it has everything to do with OLMA, and it questions an atty...AND WRONG AGAIN...I'm a he.


CRUM Mutters:She's terrified that the atty and his crew will come in and change everything. In all the confusion, we might even see some library closures...
CRUM Go POST ON A SITE WHERE YOU MOVED TO...










BF

[omar]

Whoops!

[omar]

"Yes it has everything to do with OLMA"

Again, what did he do or not do? Is it really a personal or a political insider beef?

For all we know you could be Steve Pigeon or Jimmy Keane, both avowed OLMA fans...

For the sake of argument, lets say you have no vested interest or hidden agenda, what's the standard that you hold OLMA to?

Since you hail from South Buffalo, would Fitzpatrick or Schroeder fail your test as well?

Hggins?

Jack Coyle?

Griffin?

[Curmudgeon]

GIANT SLOGANS AGAIN! I love it....

No, BF, I'm not going anywhere. I'll be right here, pointing out what is wrong, like I always do...

[tomac]

Originally posted by buffalofamily
tomac SEZ:

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This grass-roots groups, "Buffalo First"?
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nope, I'm speaking of free buffalo.



I really wasn't talking about you, but this is the only spot that seems to come close to having an answer for me.
I'll rephrase my question.
Does anyone posting here know if the "Buffalo First" group has a website with bios about their candidate proposals?

I personally know one of the candidates, the gentleman from Blasdell, but would like for get more information about the gent running in the Eggertsville area.

Thank you.

[buffalofamily]

CRUM SEZ:
No, BF, I'm not going anywhere. I'll be right here, pointing out what is wrong, like I always do...

YEP pointing out what is wrong, even though you don't live in WNY.

Thanks again for your usless pointing out (based without any FACTS of relevent information) , without any REAL solutions.

You da ONE CRUMM!!!

tomac SEZ:

I really wasn't talking about you, but this is the only spot that seems to come close to having an answer for me.
Does it have to do with OLMA...if not I suggest a new thread woul work better for you.

BF

[Curmudgeon]

YEP pointing out what is wrong, even though you don't live in WNY.

??? you sure do assume a lot. Tell me, where do I live? Or is from the same source that gave YOU OLMA INFORMATION.

You're long on accusations and short on facts. Again.

[omar]

Why won't you divulge your deepest, darkest secrets about OLMA?

[Curmudgeon]

Why won't you divulge your deepest, darkest secrets about OLMA?

I don't think she has any. She's just terrified of a new crowd running things around here. That's why she's resorting to unsubstantiated slander.

[tomac]

Originally posted by Curmudgeon
Tell me, where do I live?

Under a mossy rock???? :p

[therising]

Hey BF - why don't you answer Omar's question(s) already!

[buffalofamily]

Under a mossy rock???? outside our area.

BF

[Curmudgeon]

BF:

You don't know a thing about Olma AND you don't know a thing about me.

You're 0-2.

If you keep it up, people will pretty much ignore anything you say and you'll be wasting your time here.

[buffalofamily]

CRUMZ SEZ:
You don't know a thing about Olma AND you don't know a thing about me.
Crum ... I know enough about OLMA to steer clear of any organizations associated with him. I'll let OLMA dig his own hole. I'm not one to bash someone, just looking for answers.

I don't want to know any more than I already do about you.

Crum States:


If you keep it up, people will pretty much ignore anything you say and you'll be wasting your time here. Kinda like people do to you now, HUH.

BF

[omar]

I tend to think that this OLMA bashing is the result of BF's being connected with someone who was a political opponent of OLMA.

Otherwise, it doesn't make sense, since no specifics about OLMA or orgaizations "connected" to him has been proffered.

Interestingly, no response about S. BFLO pols, when asked...

[buffalofamily]

Interestingly, no response about S. BFLO pols, when asked...
Omar asked:
Again, what did he do or not do? Is it really a personal or a political insider beef?
I didn't say Olma did anything. I heard he's tied in with the PC via JO. If this is true I would stay away from the PC group. I have no beef with Olma, just don't like his brand of politics. He's the type of political person the PC group wants to fight against...which would be funny as theor association with lawyer JO.

Omar states:
For all we know you could be Steve Pigeon or Jimmy Keane, both avowed OLMA fans... Nope not even close Omar...never met Pigeon...i find Keane usless in South Buffalo.

Omar ponders:
For the sake of argument, lets say you have no vested interest or hidden agenda, what's the standard that you hold OLMA to? I don't have any standard that Olma could ever reach...He's one of the lowest of the low when it comes to politicians... (MY OPINION)

Another pondering:
Since you hail from South Buffalo, would Fitzpatrick or Schroeder fail your test as well?

Fitz was a drunken embarrassment

Schroeder didn't do anything much for the neighborhoods in the 2nd. district...but made claims... Seneca St. for example.


Hggins? Get him a boat...it's all about the waterfront and not the "Working Class" people of the district.


Jack Coyle? He could have a TV show because everybody loves Jack!


Griffin? He's retired. He did hold up his promise of the "SENECA ST>" deal and DID give his disc. funds to Hickory woods...can we say HONESTY here.

BF

[Curmudgeon]

BF: You really make me laugh.


I didn't say Olma did anything. I heard he's tied in with the PC via JO. If this is true I would stay away from the PC group. I have no beef with Olma, just don't like his brand of politics. He's the type of political person the PC group wants to fight against...which would be funny as theor association with lawyer JO

So you finally fessed up that you really don't have any dirt at all on this Olma guy. You were really just using him to discredit JO/PC, whom you fear becuase you don't want a suburban lawyer leading a reform movement that might marginalize your causes....

I don't even think we need to discuss your baseless allegations against me.



I have no beef with Olma, just don't like his brand of politics.

Let's see: We have from you unfounded allegations, self-serving agendas, and unsubstantiated associations.

I submit that the only person I see practicing DISHONEST POLITICS is YOU!!!

Several people in this space have asked you to elaborate on your accusations and you didn't. That's because you were lying.

You do yourself a disservice when you squander your credibility.

[Jim Ostrowski]

"a suburban lawyer"

Just a small correction to your otherwise great post.

I have Buffaloitis. Born there, grew up there, live there, work there, went to college and high school there.

That's why I got a kick of out being called a rich guy from Amherst.

[Curmudgeon]

I have Buffaloitis. Born there, grew up there, live there, work there, went to college and high school there.

Hmmm. didn't know that.

Yet ANOTHER completely wrong assertion from BuffaloFamily I see.....

What do you get when you combine Profound Ignorance and Fear of the Unknown? Defense of the status-quo at any cost.

BF doesn't know what he's talking about.
BF is afraid of you (JO) because you're an unknown.

Good luck trying to win over the BF's of Erie County. There's a lot of them and they're spooked. They're flopping around like fish in a lake that is drying up.

[Jim Ostrowski]

What I try to point out to people is that we have three choices:

1. continue the status quo--that is, watch government continue to steadily grow. That's the liberal and Rockefeller Republican position.

2. make government grow a lot faster. That's the left.

3. shrink it--the tax revolt position.

Option 1 is what got us where we are now--facing lights out.

Option 2 is insane.

That leaves only Option 3.

But lots of people who no doubt support (1) or (2) don't want to admit it in today's climate, so they snipe and gripe about collateral or personal issues.

But we'll smoke 'em out.

[buffalofamily]

Crum SEZ:
Yet ANOTHER completely wrong assertion from BuffaloFamily I see..... I never said JO was from the burbs.

Crumz also asserts:
I submit that the only person I see practicing DISHONEST POLITICS is YOU!!! Wrong again...I'm not running for political office.

BF

[buffalofamily]

CRUM WHO IS NO LONGER FROM WNY SEZ:
I don't even think we need to discuss your baseless allegations against me.

Posted under Curmudgeon
August 14th, 2003 03:57 PM

It's a sad situation in Buffalo. I, too, left the area 6 years ago when I couldn't find a job in my profession, despite a national shortage. I would love to move back to be near my family and friends. However, the state of the city is a mess. The residents are taxed beyond belief, there are limited jobs and there is absolutely no forseeable change. Of course this is just my opinion. I was recently in Buffalo for a week. The people seemed very unfriendly and angry. Maybe everyone was just having bad couple of days. I don't know. Maybe people are just sick of the bureaucrats making promises that are never followed through on. Maybe people are angry because they have invested their lives, time and money in their hometown and get nothing for their trouble. Maybe some of these "good ole' boys" should be knocked from the political arena. Maybe Buffalo needs some new blood, fresh ideas. It's up to the voters to make this happen. It's so easy to sit back and complain about how things suck yet do absolutely nothing about it. I made my statement when I left the area for the side of the fence with the greener pasture. Maybe noone heard me but at least I'm happy and not having to deal with all this crap.

And August 14th, 2003 05:31 PM

The above is not the view of Carmudgeon, but his wife. Sorry for the confusion.

Baseless? Sounds like you folks left WNY.

BF

[omar]

What about OLMA'S politics is so objectionable to BF?

[tomac]

Originally posted by omar
What about OLMA'S politics is so objectionable to BF?

Maybe he's just another typical (Western) New York politician?

[Curmudgeon]

Baseless? Sounds like you folks left WNY.

Perhaps you read too much into things. Digging up a post 2 years old? You've got a lot of time on your hands.

The bottom line is for some reason you're asserting that the validity of an opinion is somehow connected to where that person lives. That's just stupid and self-serving. Par for the course in this case.....

[therising]

BF does have quite the memory.

But he raises an issue that may, or may not, be important - Curm, do you live in WNY?

[Curmudgeon]

But he raises an issue that may, or may not, be important

Please elaborate on why you feel that this issue "may or may not be important".... What is your criteria for determining "importance"?

"may or may not" is hardly a convincing argument.

[Night Owl]

Are you ducking the question? ;)

[CheektowagaFan]

Of Course he/she isnt from here or he/she would have anwered already!!!!!


Curm is good at answering a question with a question!

In fact ill bet he cant even vote!

[therising]

Originally posted by Curmudgeon
Please elaborate on why you feel that this issue "may or may not be important".... What is your criteria for determining "importance"?

"may or may not" is hardly a convincing argument.

It may NOT be important, because, even if you are an expatriot, your opinions still count ( a la West Coast Perspective)

It may BE important, because the issue of credibility somes into account. I'm not going to go back and research all your postings, but I'm pretty sure you've alluded to living in the area in the past.

Realistically, everyone's personal life is their own. That's why we're on a MB, and not talking face to face. I've revealed very little about my personal life, and it will remain that way. We all have to respect each other's annomynity.

[buffalofamily]

Crum Speculates:
Perhaps you read too much into things. Digging up a post 2 years old? You've got a lot of time on your hands. Not quite 2 years Crum...so did you move back in the last 20 months?

CRUM asserts
The bottom line is for some reason you're asserting that the validity of an opinion is somehow connected to where that person lives. CORRECT CRUMM...Real Western New Yorkers stay and linve here. Those who don't should find a forum in ther new hometown.

Cheektowagafan Sez:
Curm is good at answering a question with a question!
...and that's about it.

BF

[tomac]

Originally posted by Curmudgeon
What is your criteria for determining "importance"?

Define "Is"......

[Curmudgeon]

Ha.

I'm not going to answer your question on principle. It seems the only people concerned with it are the very same people I've derided in this space for their bankrupt opinions. Let's review: Tomac- going to pennsylvania? CheekSpam - already gone to the carolinas and bragging about it?...

No. I'm going to intentionally NOT answer your question because it has no merit. Just as I wouldn't submit to a police officer searching my car for drugs during a routine traffic stop.

You can accuse me of anything, even of having drugs in my car. It doesn't matter - consider the source...

[CheektowagaFan]

Thats right Curm I can admitt that I live in Nc.. Its right now at 12:50 68 degrees and very sunny. Ocean is very pretty as well today. Watched the Dolphins come in this morning. Will watch them go back out tonight as well while sitting on the upper deck of the 475,000 home I just had built.

Curm did I mention I have no Mortgage either?

I have a vested right in WNY since Ive moved here as well. See I bought 1500 shares of Koles as well before I left.

So Im not affraid to say where I live. So CURM what are you hiding?

[tomac]

Originally posted by Curmudgeon
Tomac- going to pennsylvania?

Was down there twice in the past month. I promised my wife that we'd stay here while her dad was still alive. He died back in late January, so now while she's helping her family deal with the estate, I'm looking for that home. We go for extended rides looking at homes depending on the weather (I'm in no hurry; I want to do this right.
Know what I've noticed? Taxes on a homes just like the one I have here in Amherst are less than $1,000/year TOTAL. Know why that is? 'Caude Pennsylvania doesn't waste money on loafers that seem to think that the taxpayers owes them a lifestyle because they don't feel like working. You'll call me a bigot, but I can't see supporting some loser that most likely came here from another state so he could live on the dole. Send 'em all back where they came from, I say.
There's the reasons that I find myself forced to move. High taxes caused by bleeding-heart liberal politicians that see nothing wrong with funding THEIR social programs with MY money.


No. I'm going to intentionally NOT answer your question because it has no merit. Just as I wouldn't submit to a police officer searching my car for drugs during a routine traffic stop.
You can accuse me of anything, even of having drugs in my car. It doesn't matter - consider the source...

That's the way, you show 'em who's boss. Don't forget to call us from jail for refusing the reasonable request of an officer.
Moron.... :rolleyes:

[WNYresident]

CORRECT CRUMM...Real Western New Yorkers stay and linve here. Those who don't should find a forum in ther new hometown.


I beg to differ.... There are a lot of clients we have that would like to come back here for family reasons. Just because you move doesn't mean you wouldn't want to see WNY do better in the future. Might do so well you'd come back.

Most of you people who bash people for leaving the area forget one thing. There shouldn't of been a reason to leave in the first place.

[buffalofamily]

WNYrsezz:
Just because you move doesn't mean you wouldn't want to see WNY do better in the future.
TRUE WNYr, but ol CRUM posts are not going to help folks who DO have a say in what goes on here...I won't butt into business of residents in another State, so he should butt out, especially when HE has nothing relivent to say.


Most of you people who bash people for leaving the area forget one thing. There shouldn't of been a reason to leave in the first place. I'm not bashing...just making a point thet CRUM is NOT a TAXPAYER or resident here...He talks the talk, but does not walk the walk. If CRUM were to post HONESTLY as a former WNYer I would not have said anything, but CRUM wants us to think he is relevent here.

I'm not forgetting that anyone is welcome here, but be honest.

BF

[granpabob]

if you dont think crum should be here dont answer him I dont comment on everything and if I have a problem with some one wasting my time I skip their comments.
speak your mind about olma state why you are against him and get it over with. not just feelings they only count in your mind give us facts what do you think is wrong with him

[Curmudgeon]

TRUE WNYr, but ol CRUM posts are not going to help folks who DO have a say in what goes on here

Help? Sure they help!

Nice job distracting us from the fact that you were engaging in a most underhanded slander campaign againt Olma and JO. After everybody called your bluff, you decided to slander me....

Who's the honest one? Certianly not you!

[Curmudgeon]

That's the way, you show 'em who's boss. Don't forget to call us from jail for refusing the reasonable request of an officer. Moron....

wrong again....

If you refuse to consent to have your car searched during a routine traffic stop, the officer can detain you if he has a drug-sniffing dog available. You and him then wait for the K-9 unit to come and the K-9 handler then walks his dog around the car. If the dog does not detect anything, you leave with your constitutional rights intact. Nobody goes to jail. If that were the case the officer wouldn't even bother to "ask you" if he could search your car.....

I really love it when people who are factually incorrect disagree with me and call me moron.

This is the part where tomac looks stupid (again). Now I know why he's a grouchy old man: he's had to stumble through life generally being regarded as stupid. That would make me grouchy too.....

[tomac]

Originally posted by Curmudgeon
wrong again....

Try out your theory sometime and you'll find out who's wrong.

If you refuse to consent to have your car searched during a routine traffic stop, the officer can detain you if he has a drug-sniffing dog available. You and him then wait for the K-9 unit to come and the K-9 handler then walks his dog around the car. If the dog does not detect anything, you leave with your constitutional rights intact. Nobody goes to jail. If that were the case the officer wouldn't even bother to "ask you" if he could search your car.....

They have to "ask" 'cause this ain't Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. "You VILL show me your papers, mein Herr....."

I really love it when people who are factually incorrect disagree with me and call me moron.
This is the part where tomac looks stupid (again). Now I know why he's a grouchy old man: he's had to stumble through life generally being regarded as stupid. That would make me grouchy too.....

What you know about me and what I really am are worlds apart, and after re-reading some of your posts, I've come to see that you are both stupid and grouchy. Most of the time you're wrong, too.....
Want a second opinion?

You're probably homely as well! :p

[WNYresident]

WHy don't you too ask our resident expert deer hunter.. He would know.

[therising]

Well, this thread was already over the hump of being non-productive. But then you see BS like this:


Originally posted by CheektowagaFan
I have a vested right in WNY since Ive moved here as well. See I bought 1500 shares of Koles as well before I left.


Cheektowaga Fan, I'm pretty sure you meant "K-O-H-L-S".
And Kohl's has been trading at around $50/share.
So 1500 shares would be about $75,000.

It's odd that someone would invest $75k in a company they don't even know how to spell.

Hey admin - is it possible to install a BS detector on this messageboard??

Another thing Cheektowaga Fan - you've gone out of your way to try to rub it in our noses that you've milked the system off our tax dollars long enough to buy this oceanfront house. Now, you want us to belive that you're investing $75k in the stock market (while supposedly retired).
So, i'm more willing to let Curm slide than I am you.

[Curmudgeon]

What you know about me and what I really am are worlds apart

Oh grandpa tomac! Please don't tell us you come here and say stupid things for our entertainment! If this is so, you deserve an Oscar for the role of "Ill-informed reactionary retiree".

:p

[Curmudgeon]

It's odd that someone would invest $75k in a company they don't even know how to spell.

It's odd that someone would invest 75K in a particular company when they didn't know how to spell in general. Mutual funds are there for the majority of people who aren't really skilled at investing in the stock market.



Hey admin - is it possible to install a BS detector on this messageboard??

Hey - speaking of BS, how about that Citylouse the garbageman who always seems to be posting during workdays? we never got an answer for that, either.

[buffalofamily]

OK ... Back to OLMA. Anyone know anything he did good while in office?

BF

[omar]

Stopped Steve Pigeon from getting to the water authority for one thing.

But what did OLMA do that was bad?

[therising]

Wasn't Olma the guy who was supposedly living in Lancaster, and only had an apartment on the East Side?

[omar]

That was the guy that Pigeon put up to beat him.

The phone book says OLMA lives on Fillmore Ave.

[tomac]

Originally posted by Curmudgeon
Oh grandpa tomac! Please don't tell us you come here and say stupid things for our entertainment! If this is so, you deserve an Oscar for the role of "Ill-informed reactionary retiree".

:p

Do you have anything of value to add to the discussion or do you intend to merely sit on the sidelines and continue name-calling?
You sound more jealous of what other people have earned and interested in seeing them lose it than willing to go out and try to earn it yourself.
You remind me of the following quote about another great 20th Century thinker, Kaiser Wilhelm II (who, almost single-handledly started the First World War, in case you didn't know)
" Presented with a cold beer and a warm woman - both of the highest pedigree and quality, of course - one such as he could always be counted on to quickly reverse the temperature of both."

When and if (mostly if) you actually have something to contribute, I'll respond, if you decide to continue to sit and whine like a petulant, spoiled brat, I'll give you the bandwidth you deserve - nothing.

Crawl back under your rock........

[Curmudgeon]

Do you have anything of value to add to the discussion or do you intend to merely sit on the sidelines and continue name-calling?
Once again, it is YOU who have started the name-calling, with "moron"....

I had a great deal of value to add to this discussion, until others began the name calling of me.


You sound more jealous of what other people have earned and interested in seeing them lose it than willing to go out and try to earn it yourself.
I earn a great deal, more than I ever expected. I just can't stomach a politicaly powerful special interest smothering the local economy. It seems there are more like me every day! Who would have thought we'd be where we are a year ago.

Kaiser bla bla bla....

[Boost Buffalo]

what is this thread for, to beat up Greg Olma? isnt he out of business now? Is he even employed at the moment?

Whats Greg's claim to fame? He must be important to have his very own thread.

[Linda_D]

Greg Olma is a former county legislator from the East Side/Cheektowaga (I think) -- or maybe he's a former Common Council member. He hasn't been in office for at least two or three years. He was charged with attempting to intimidate poll workers or something in an election a few years ago (hence his representation by Jim Ostrowski -- and his supposed "connection" to Primary Challenge).

Mostly this thread seems to be Curmie vs the world.

Maybe Curmie is Greg Olma? Greg Olma's mom?

[Curmudgeon]

Mostly this thread seems to be Curmie vs the world.

Well, let's see:

It began with accusations against this Olma guy.

I asked for specific facts from the accuser.

Others asked for facts as well. If he's bad news, we'd like to know.

The accuser dodged the question so many times, we eventually dismissed him as being full of BS.

THEN WE GOT the drivel you read in the thread....

Seems some people just don't like being exposed when they're doing politicially motivated hatchet jobs.

And here we are.


Maybe Curmie is Greg Olma? Greg Olma's mom?

Nope: haven't even met the guy. I am curious about who he is and what the whole story is, though.

I think it's pretty sad to attack his lawyer for representing him some years ago.

[Boost Buffalo]

Originally posted by Curmudgeon
Well, let's see:

It began with accusations against this Olma guy.



there was a large, public paid, real estate deal on the east side a few years back that went awry.

It was understood that public dollars that had no business being spent were simply misappropriated and scandalized during this transaction. Was this Greg's deal? I dont know, but it involved substantial public dollars with nothing but damage and accusation to show for it.

[Curmudgeon]

It was understood that public dollars that had no business being spent were simply misappropriated and scandalized during this transaction. Was this Greg's deal? I dont know, but it involved substantial public dollars with nothing but damage and accusation to show for it.

Well, that's not very definite, but it's a HECK OF A LOT BETTER than what we got from BF, which was nothing but BS...

OK, hopefully somebody else can come up with some facts to verify what you have said.


Was this Greg's deal? I dont know
You don't know, and you're being honest about it. I don't know either. I'd like to know.

[Jim Ostrowski]

This thread, in my opinion, was started to discredit PC by linking it with me and linking me with Greg Olma, then smearing Olma.

It has failed at every turn.

PC is not linked to FB legally; in fact, for legal reasons, they must be separate. I had nothing to do with the selection of any PC candidate. Surprise, surprise!

Olma is a friend and client, though not involved in FB. We argue about politics all the time, so I got a laugh out of this.

The smear against Greg has utterly failed. The charge against him was a political hit. It was dismissed because it was a joke.

I know these plain facts will not prompt any revison in the views of the thread starters nor any apology. The machine is up to its old tactics, which I explain in detail in my book: use any foul tactics to destroy your enemies to keep your lousy patronage jobs because you're scared to death to go out into the marketplace and try to earn a living. In this town, you should be scared.

Have a nice day.

[Boost Buffalo]

Originally posted by Jim Ostrowski


The smear against Greg has utterly failed. The charge against him was a political hit. It was dismissed because it was a joke.



I wasnt trying to smear him, I have no idea why anyone is attacking anybody on this thread. Or even who they are.

But I just recalled that east side real estate deal that cost the taxpayers some good cabbage, a lot of it. And if I recall it correctly, David Fronzsak's name was involved along with Olma's. Maybe they were the ones that uncovered the corruption, but I dont know if thats it.

Do you recall it, Jim?

[speaker]

This is an excerp from a news article on Greg Olma. I don't know if he has gotten into the news for anything else, but here this is.

Political Trouble
Police Arrest Erie County Lawmaker After Primary Night Incident

An Erie County Legislator is in trouble with the law, after a Primary Night incident at a Buffalo polling place. Police arrested Legislator Greg Olma (D) after two election workers say Olma harrassed them at a Fillmore Avenue polling place late Tuesday night.

The workers say Olma and a group of 14 men came into the polling place last night and demanded to see the election results. When the workers didn't hand over the results they say Olma harrassed them and called them a racial slur.

"I've never encountered so much fear. He wanted the count of every vote," said Board of Elections Employee Adrea Newbern. "They told me.. they called us 'f.....g b..ches' I was scared. I was just so scared," said Karen Gregory, another Board of Elections employee.

Police called to the scene say Olma stuggled with officers, and witnesses say two men accompanying Olma assaulted a News 4 photographer. The News 4 photographer is pressing assault charges against Olma's companions. Olma faces a September 20th City Court appearance on charges of harrassment, coercion, and resisting arrest.



I found it strange that even the local news didn't make it clear that he was a democrat. I have added it just to help you know who people are and who the represent.

When I find out what newspaper or media published this, I'll post it.

[speaker]

BTW--this was in the following forum:

Hillary_Clinton_Forum_233

[tomac]

Originally posted by Curmudgeon
Once again, it is YOU who have started the name-calling, with "moron"....

Bullsh__! You have been calling me names ever since I started posting. Yet when someone has a noseful of your act and responds, you get self-righteous. Grow up.

I had a great deal of value to add to this discussion, until others began the name calling of me.

Pity-party for the Curmudgeon! Boo-hoo-hoo :rolleyes:

I earn a great deal, more than I ever expected. I just can't stomach a politicaly powerful special interest smothering the local economy. It seems there are more like me every day! Who would have thought we'd be where we are a year ago.

Actually it is amazing. Ever since I have been reading these threads, the only "bad guys" that you have been denegrating have been the Civil Service workers. You seem to think that Joel & Co. have been the greatest thing for Erie County since sliced bread. For the past couple of years, you've stated that you hoped for a Depression that would wipe out my savings and pension, that the State of New York should do away with Civil Service pensions and you even called me a racist. Yet when someone questions your credentials, you start whining.

Kaiser bla bla bla....

If the shoe fits, wear it. And enjoy your pi__-warm beer! :o

[Curmudgeon]

I know these plain facts will not prompt any revison in the views of the thread starters nor any apology. The machine is up to its old tactics, which I explain in detail in my book: use any foul tactics to destroy your enemies to keep your lousy patronage jobs because you're scared to death to go out into the marketplace and try to earn a living. In this town, you should be scared.

What he said!

The reason why I got it from these folks is that I apparently was pretty effective in exposing the BS for what it was.


"I've never encountered so much fear. He wanted the count of every vote," said Board of Elections Employee Adrea Newbern. "They told me.. they called us 'f.....g b..ches' I was scared. I was just so scared," said Karen Gregory, another Board of Elections employee.

As I recall, I believe the above accusations were completely dismissed as being false. Anyone can get arrested if someone falsely accuses them of something. The integrity of the accusers was also questioned, as they had prior arrest records as well.

Please, if you're going to cite history, give us the whole story...

[tomac]

Originally posted by Boost Buffalo
there was a large, public paid, real estate deal on the east side a few years back that went awry.

It was understood that public dollars that had no business being spent were simply misappropriated and scandalized during this transaction. Was this Greg's deal? I dont know, but it involved substantial public dollars with nothing but damage and accusation to show for it.

One thing that I remember was that while Olma was a Legislator, he was in Giambra's back pocket for a while. When he decided to try to regain his honor and stand up to Joel, he started getting screwed. This included having his descretionary funds withheld. This resulted in the Broadway Market not getting some $150K for repairs one year, and needing even more because maintenance was not done for a year.
And, as someone will say that Joel doesn't have the power to withhold Legislature funds, I mean to say that it was done by Joel's then-boy Al DiBennidetti.
Bottom line was the only ones that got screwed were the taxpayers of Olma's district.

[Linda_D]

Olma also worked with Franczyk on exposing the fine work of Frank Parlato, Jr ... an individual well-known for his fine work in bilking first time home buyers and in devastating neighborhoods almost single-handedly over the years ... maybe that's what got him in dutch with Giambra.


kernwatch (http://www.kernwatch.com/housingvaluesparlato.html)

[Curmudgeon]

an individual well-known for his fine work in bilking first time home buyers and in devastating neighborhoods almost single-handedly over the years

yep. 25% of the people wound up in foreclosure, but 75% DID NOT!!!!

What exactly is this guy (Parlato) doing wrong? Kerns hatchet job smacks of liberal do-good-ism at it's worst. You take a guy like Parlato out of the loop, and nobody gets those houses, not even the 75% who did make the payments....

When you have s*it credit, no income, and no downpayment, you don't get to live at Spaulding Lake.....

You want to do something about Parlato? Create a charatible organization that assists ignorant homebuyers and advises them if they're getting a raw deal.

The free market at work....

[speaker]

Well, you all have me curious, now, about the Greg Olma saga. Was it all just a mountain made out of a molehill? Or was he being smeared by political opponents? There is more on the internet about Olma but would take time to go through it all and is it worth it?

[speaker]

I'll tell you what...Curmudgeon, since you seem to have so much time to turn a thread into a dog fight, why don't YOU look it up and tell us what really happened with Greg Olma..just the facts, sir.

[tomac]

Originally posted by Curmudgeon
yep. 25% of the people wound up in foreclosure, but 75% DID NOT!!!!

Brilliant! A guy that is 25% crook and YOU excuse that as "free market". Curmmie, you have the credability of a used car salesman.

No, scratch that, I did know a couple of honest used car salesmen. No, Curmie, your credability is somewhere around that of Joel Giambra or any of the rest of his goons.

[Curmudgeon]

I'll tell you what...Curmudgeon, since you seem to have so much time to turn a thread into a dog fight, why don't YOU look it up and tell us what really happened with Greg Olma..just the facts, sir.

Google sure is a magical thing. It's so good in fact, I'm sure that someone else would have already found something if it was on the internet. If there's anything incriminating, odds are it ain't on the net....


Not picking a fight with you, sir. I just recall reading the Olma follow-up in the media. If he did something, we'd have a conviction.



Brilliant! A guy that is 25% crook and YOU excuse that as "free market". Curmmie, you have the credability of a used car salesman.
Crook? Explain to us exactly what law he broke????

Near as I can tell, He buys houses from distressed buyers and then sells them for more than he paid. I saw the web site: sometimes they sit on the market for months.

"Crook" is synonymous with "criminal". please tell us how real-estate speculation is a crime, detective Tomac.....

[moonshine]

A guy that is 25% crook and YOU excuse that as "free market".

So you are saying that this guy put a gun to a prospective owner's head and demanded he sign the finance agreement?

Or, did the person buying the home sign the contract without coersion?

Please Tomac, show me where a person was FORCED to sign the dotted line.

Sorry, but the government can't protect you from yourself 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. The darwin awards exist for a reason.

[tomac]

Originally posted by moonshine
So you are saying that this guy put a gun to a prospective owner's head and demanded he sign the finance agreement?
Or, did the person buying the home sign the contract without coersion?
Please Tomac, show me where a person was FORCED to sign the dotted line.
Sorry, but the government can't protect you from yourself 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. The darwin awards exist for a reason.

That is true, but how many of those prospective homeowners were conned by hidden charges, fees and such. How many of the homes were given band-aid fix-ups and dumped back on the market. As one person noted, some of those homes sat vacant for months before they were sold. Was there something wrong with the house? With the neighborhood? Was he targeting people of a certain ethnic heritage?
As was stated on another topic board, there are some neighborhoods in the inner city that may only have two or three families on an entire block with the rest of the structures left to rot. Buy a couple of these homes, fix them up and sell them for a profit. Sounds good here, but was there any accountability after the sale or did he become "unavailable" if something went wrong.
How many of those homes were sold to people that couldn't afford tobuy them and still fix all the problems that had been ignored.

You're right; the government can't protect some people from themselves, nor should it. But maybe it should protect them from the sharks that want to prey on them.

Or do you believe that God wants the likes of this man to shear them, that's why He made them sheep?

Is it too much to ask for honest dealings in commerce?

[speaker]

Originally posted by Curmudgeon
...I just recall reading the Olma follow-up in the media. If he did something, we'd have a conviction.

.....

Are you really this naive, Curm? I don't think so.
But, I have to say this thread has been revealing, and more people's agendas and characters and generally their MO's have come to light. Including JO's. We all can make up our minds, do more research, and there is more to be done, and we're all to the better for it. If we had only started this a long time ago...Ah.

[omar]

Google the words, parlato olma buffalo, and you see the Olma report on Frank Parlato's real estate scams.

Nearly all of his sales went belly up. HUD barred Parlato because of it. He really hates Olma.

From what I can tell Parlato was the source of a lot of the rumors and false accusations in the Olma reserch I just did.

Olma pissed alot of people like Pigeon and Parlato off.

By the way did you see the stuff on the guy that beat Olma. There's a wierd dude.

David Dale. He was the guy who falsified his residence claiming to live about his law office so he could run.

He also was the Sloan Village Attorney, The village is now investigating him for paying himself over $80,000 with out authorization before he was fired.

[buffalofamily]

speakersez:
But, I have to say this thread has been revealing, and more people's agendas and characters and generally their MO's have come to light. Including JO's.

YEP...we want to know who and what is behind the PC. From the looks of thousands of empty seats, the PC is too vague and folks like me have stayed away.

BF

[Janezombie]

buffalofamily, my family stayed away too.

Jane

[buffalofamily]

janezSEZ:
buffalofamily, my family stayed away too.
At first the PC sounded like a great thing, but as time went on, it became clear that they are too secret about things. They are becoming a political party close to the conservatives.

BF

[Boost Buffalo]

Originally posted by buffalofamily
They are becoming a political party close to the conservatives.



conservatives? I dont think so. Its quite possible these organizations are the liberals just looking for a unique angle.

Whats the makeup of FB/PC organization? It sure appears Judy4Mayor is no conservative. She is far left historically, am I correct?

Has anyone asked Judy4Mayor if she historically and consistantly sided with the liberal democrats?

[jbinbny]

I dont think Judy knows herself.

[WNYresident]

it became clear that they are too secret about things.

Of just about everyone you mentioned, not one has anything to do with the PC group. As for secretive? Where do you get that from? Your making it up.

These are they type of people that must of burnt witches in the olden days. I didn't see her fly on her broom but she owns a broom there for she's a witch. The witch walked down thier street, they all must be witches. BLAU BLAU BLAU

You know who is way more secretive than PC? THAT LIBRARY SYSTEM. Secretly they started to "rent for free" DVDs. There were a whole bunch of people involved with that and NOT one came to my house and told me. NOT one phone call either. THEY KNOW WHERE I LIVE and never told me about it. Purposely they are keeping it a secret because until this day no one has been to my house or place of business to tell me they "rent for free" entertainment dvd's. I dont care if they have meetings where I can learn more about the libraries I'd rather call them secretive.

I sound rather stupid when I make up crap like that don't I? No less stupidier when we get


it became clear that they are too secret about things.

You have nothing to base that comment on specially if you haven't attend one meeting and talked to one of the group organizers.


How about this.

Put togeather a reasonable list of questions in one thread. DON'T comment on them, just a list of questions. If you give me about a week after we have a final set of questions I'll get Lenny/PC group to answer them fully.

[Linda_D]

I don't think that Primary Challenge is ideologically left or right. Some of its candidates seem liberal and others conservative. Leonard Roberto has run several times on the Independence Party line, and I think he realizes that doctrinal purity is a detriment rather than an asset, particularly in WNY where most of the liberals aren't as far to left and the conservatives aren't as far to the right as they are in other parts of the country. The fact is, most people are probably liberal on some issues and conservative on others, depending mostly on their personal situation and experience, and even then, most people are not at the extremes but closer to the middle. The issue, anyways, isn't political doctrine but the need to change politics as usual.