Local Military Mom Reacts To Sheehan Vigil

[steven]

Buffalo, NY (WBEN) - As the so-called "peace mom" Cindy Sheehan continues her vigil outside president Bush's Crawford, Texas ranch, WBEN touched base with a local military mom to talk about the anti-war efforts.

Lynn Ores told reporter Barbara Burns that she sympathizes with Sheehan.

"I don't blame her for being upset, because I would be upset," Ores said.

There is a difference between these two moms, though. Ores supports American efforts because she believes the Iraqi people need our help. But she does not believe President Bush has come clean with the American people.

"President Bush has to have a one-on-one with the country, including all the parents, all the families with children over there and express to them exactly what he feels," Ores said. "I mean, we get what he wants to do, what he wants to accomplish, but he's not saying anything about the kids to their families."

Ores, whose 34-year-old son Phillip Scott is headed back to Iraq in September with the 914th Airlift Wing, also believes that President Bush must meet one-on-one with Cindy Sheehan to hear her side of the story.

http://www.wben.com/newsroom/fullstory.php?newsid=03568

[jbinbny]

wrong ans. bush is under no obligation to meet with any parent.

this is the US military, not the boy scouts.

[ERIEMAN]

An interesting experience...

I was at the VA yesterday. I had to sit in a waiting room for 8 hours with a large group of vets from the Korean, Vietnam, and first Iraq war. I'm normally a very talkative and friendly person, but when I'm around people 40 or more years my senior, I don't talk - I listen.

These guys had so many stories to share. Where they've been, what they've experienced, who the met, the best whorehouses, etc. It was very enlightening for me.

What was most interesting was that not a single person that walked in or out of that waiting room (probably about 35 to 40 people in all) had anything good to say about Bush or his policies. They wondered aloud why, if Bush is such a great wartime president and all-american, would he cut funding to the VA so drastically. They were now, in many cases, receiving sub-standard care, and felt like they were abandoned by the current administration.

Many spoke of the horrors of war. One statement that made me abolutely cringe was one man's tearful description of the Vietnam war - "many, many hours of pure boredom peppered with moments of sheer terror". He trembled as he spoke those words. Another man then agreed and told about the six people that killed themselves in his unit, the families that were broken up and the children left fatherless, and friends of his that are now para- and quadriplegic.

After that encounter, I really had to question why we are sacrificing so much for the Iraqis, and whether it was even worth it. Most of the vets seemed to think it wasn't, that Bush could care less about the loss of human life. All of them agreed that Afghanistan should have been cleaned up and fully secured before going anywhere else, and that now, terrorists actually had a safe place to attack and kill americans - Iraq.

I can see now how someone who has never been in a war can be so pro-war. It seems to me that those who have are not.

[atotaltotalfan2001]

Originally posted by steven
Buffalo, NY (WBEN) - As the so-called "peace mom" Cindy Sheehan continues her vigil outside president Bush's Crawford, Texas ranch, WBEN touched base with a local military mom to talk about the anti-war efforts.

Lynn Ores told reporter Barbara Burns that she sympathizes with Sheehan.

"I don't blame her for being upset, because I would be upset," Ores said.

There is a difference between these two moms, though. Ores supports American efforts because she believes the Iraqi people need our help. But she does not believe President Bush has come clean with the American people.

"President Bush has to have a one-on-one with the country, including all the parents, all the families with children over there and express to them exactly what he feels," Ores said. "I mean, we get what he wants to do, what he wants to accomplish, but he's not saying anything about the kids to their families."

Ores, whose 34-year-old son Phillip Scott is headed back to Iraq in September with the 914th Airlift Wing, also believes that President Bush must meet one-on-one with Cindy Sheehan to hear her side of the story.

http://www.wben.com/newsroom/fullstory.php?newsid=03568

Basically, this mom is Cindy Sheehan before she lost her son to Iraq.

[avet]

After that encounter, I really had to question why we are sacrificing so much for the Iraqis, and whether it was even worth it.
WAS IT WORTH IT?
To the Bush's, Cheney, Saudi's, Carlyle Group, Halliburton, KBR, Enron, etc., ...
IT IS MORE THAN "DEFINITLY" WORTH IT !
"ENDLESS" WARS MEANS ENDLESS HUGE (record) PROFITS TO THEM.

PLEASE, correct me if I am wrong, but,
DOESN'T "EVERY" SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAVE & RECEIVE, "WAY FAR - ABOVE & BEYOND" THE NORMAL PROTECTION (virtual immunity) OF ANY LEGAL LAWS BY THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION?

Basically, they can do whatever they want with total "impunity" or "accountability", & some with "total secracy". No "whistleblowing" allowed in ANY of their businesses or dealings.(period). How much better can it EVER get?

Most of the vets seemed to think it wasn't, that Bush could care less about the loss of human life. All of them agreed that Afghanistan should have been cleaned up and fully secured before going anywhere else, and that now, terrorists actually had a safe place to attack and kill americans - Iraq.
Do any research? The SAUDI'S are so tied up into this whole terrorism scheme, it's "beyond" believable! What's a barrel of oil going for today?
I can see now how someone who has never been in a war can be so pro-war. It seems to me that those who have are not.
Amen to that. They want it real bad - but only from their "deluxe recliner" in front of their "theater system".

[atotaltotalfan2001]

Originally posted by avet

Amen to that. They want it real bad - but only from their "deluxe recliner" in front of their "theater system".

Bravo avet! I couldn't agree more. Look at the hawks in the Bush Administration and tell me how many of them have children serving in Iraq????

It's much much easier to support a war you, or your children, will never have to fight.

That's why I always urge the hawks on this board to enlist. You believe in this war -- then go fight it.

The rest of us know this war is wrong, and is doing the U.S. more harm than good -- and that it should never have happened in the first place(IMO)!!!

[Riven37]

Originally posted by ERIEMAN
An interesting experience...

I was at the VA yesterday. I had to sit in a waiting room for 8 hours with a large group of vets from the Korean, Vietnam, and first Iraq war. I'm normally a very talkative and friendly person, but when I'm around people 40 or more years my senior, I don't talk - I listen.

These guys had so many stories to share. Where they've been, what they've experienced, who the met, the best whorehouses, etc. It was very enlightening for me.

What was most interesting was that not a single person that walked in or out of that waiting room (probably about 35 to 40 people in all) had anything good to say about Bush or his policies. They wondered aloud why, if Bush is such a great wartime president and all-american, would he cut funding to the VA so drastically. They were now, in many cases, receiving sub-standard care, and felt like they were abandoned by the current administration.

Many spoke of the horrors of war. One statement that made me abolutely cringe was one man's tearful description of the Vietnam war - "many, many hours of pure boredom peppered with moments of sheer terror". He trembled as he spoke those words. Another man then agreed and told about the six people that killed themselves in his unit, the families that were broken up and the children left fatherless, and friends of his that are now para- and quadriplegic.

After that encounter, I really had to question why we are sacrificing so much for the Iraqis, and whether it was even worth it. Most of the vets seemed to think it wasn't, that Bush could care less about the loss of human life. All of them agreed that Afghanistan should have been cleaned up and fully secured before going anywhere else, and that now, terrorists actually had a safe place to attack and kill americans - Iraq.

I can see now how someone who has never been in a war can be so pro-war. It seems to me that those who have are not.


Eairman,

I doubt this happen to you in the VA, in a waiting room at the VA.... This sounds more like a rap group, not a waiting room.....

"I was at the VA yesterday. I had to sit in a waiting room for 8 hours with a large group of vets from the Korean, Vietnam, and first Iraq war. I'm normally a very talkative and friendly person, but when I'm around people 40 or more years my senior, I don't talk - I listen." [/QUOTE]

Many spoke of the horrors of war. One statement that made me abolutely cringe was one man's tearful description of the Vietnam war - "many, many hours of pure boredom peppered with moments of sheer terror". He trembled as he spoke those words. Another man then agreed and told about the six people that killed themselves in his unit, the families that were broken up and the children left fatherless, and friends of his that are now para- and quadriplegic.
[/QUOTE]



You can know me for years and you will know nothing of what I went through....I don't talk about it even in a group setting !!! "So, don't piss down my back and tell me its raining."

[ERIEMAN]

riaeven57,

you can believe what you want to believe. Why would you want to try to disprove and discredit that though? I had a chance to learn from people that went through war, and are now paying the psychological price for it.

I assume you were in the first Iraq war? What's interesting about your statement was that the two guys that I assumed were young enough to have been there didn't say a word. It was the Korean and Vietnam guys that were doing all the talking. I really didnt give it much thought until now though...

I do have proof i was there. I can mail you data on my colon if you want.

[Boost Buffalo]

"many, many hours of pure boredom peppered with moments of sheer terror".

this common description is so overly used that its cliche.

Combat vets dont sit around waiting rooms making it either, and combat vets dont go around wearing a vet tag on their screen name.

You youngsters insult and show extreme disrespect with your anti- American claims and your phony quotes, and you dont even realize it.

[WestSideJohn]

Originally posted by Boost Buffalo
You youngsters insult and show extreme disrespect...If irony was people that last post would be India.

[avet]

ERIEMAN:
I can mail you data on my colon if you want.
We don't need your data from your colon, bud.

We get enough data from a colon as it is, right here.

Boost Buffalo:
You youngsters insult and show extreme disrespect with your anti- American claims and your phony quotes, and you dont even realize it.

[ERIEMAN]

Originally posted by Boost Buffalo
"many, many hours of pure boredom peppered with moments of sheer terror".

this common description is so overly used that its cliche.

Combat vets dont sit around waiting rooms making it either, and combat vets dont go around wearing a vet tag on their screen name.

You youngsters insult and show extreme disrespect with your anti- American claims and your phony quotes, and you dont even realize it.

You should tell the Korean War vet who had one leg and lost his wife during the war that.

I honestly don't feel I need to try to prove myself right. I shared my experience in the VA, nothing more, nothing less. If you truly believe that people don't talk about these things, you're truly in denial. It's REALLY easy for you to sit in your house, typing on your computer, saying "SEND THEM TO WAR!!!" "THEY SIGNED UP FOR IT, SO THEY SHOULD EXPECT IT!". Cliche would be for me to say "you should join the army". Instead, and I don't care if you believe me or not, think about the lives that are broken or lost. Think about the THOUSANDS of troops that will come home remembering the terror that is so cliche to you. You wouldnt think it was cliche if you were there.

I really wish some of you could have sat in that waiting room.

[steven]

I spend way to much time in the VA waiting room.

I think I have heard every war story every told down there, and vetrans as a whole are very opinionated and have no problem speaking their minds down there.