Restore Buffalo: A Celebration of People Effecting Change - July 23

[SolarEclipse]

Restore Buffalo: A Celebration of People Effecting Change
July 23, 11am-4pm

Are you tired of hearing only bad news concerning our city?
Well then, come out
and talk to the people who have organized their efforts to restore
Buffalo to its rightful prominence!

Among the organizations invited are:

Free Buffalo, Primary Challenge, The Graycliff Conservancy, The Pierce
Arrow Museum, Darwin Martin House Restoration Corporation, True Bethel
Baptist Church, Citizens for Regional Transit Corporation, The Broadway
Market, Industrial Heritage Committee, Buffalo Spree Magazine, The
Olmsted Parks Conservancy, Allentown Association, Western New York
Heritage Magazine, Revitalize Buffalo, Buffalo Economic Renaissance
Corporation, Roycroft Inn, Buffalo Niagara Partnership, Preservation
Coalition of Erie County, The New Millennium Group, Buffalo Rising
Magazine & Journal and Campaign for Buffalo History, Architecture and
Culture, East Side Historical Association, WNY Women's History Museum,
as well as a few other local merchants and vendors



Also... from earlier in the week....

More Original Artifacts Returned to the Buffalo Central Terminal!

Buffalo, New York - July 8th, 2005: The Central Terminal Restoration
Corporation (CTRC) is very pleased to announce that the Town of
Cheektowaga is donating several original items having both sentimental
and historical value to this non-profit organization. The town has
graciously kept these artifacts in safekeeping since the early 1990's,
when many other items of value were either stolen or sold.

Stephan Koenig, through his involvement with the Buffalo Area Railfans
Association, coordinated with Cheektowaga Town Clerk Mary Holtz and
Facilities Supervisor Ron Leets to ready the items for the formal
transfer of ownership. A ceremony marking the return will be held on
Friday July 15th, 2005 at 10AM at the restored Caboose installed on
Cheektowaga Town Hall grounds on Broadway.

Accepting the items on behalf of the CTRC will be Vice President Jeffrey
Ingersoll and Mark Lewandowski, Activities & Events member & docent, who
will attend in a traditional Conductor's uniform.

Included among the donated items are:

1 - The original concourse clock numbers

2 - Two large cast iron signs: one from Union News and the other from
Pullman Check stands

3 - Clock mechanisms: one was to drive the clocks on the tenth floor,
the other parts are from the concourse clock

4 - Doorknobs and locks

5 - Other items include original brass fixtures from stairwells,
elevators, and ticket offices.

The items will be added to the growing inventory of artifacts returning
to the Central Terminal. They are expected to be included in displays
during public fundraising events supporting the restoration efforts of
this magnificent old structure.

Earlier this year, through the generous support of the public and with
the great help of M&T Bank and WBEN Radio, the original Concourse Clock
was restored, reinstalled and unveiled to the public.

For more information about the Terminal visit -
http://www.buffalocentralterminal.org/

Anyone wishing to return original artifacts or donate items related to
the Central Terminal is encouraged to contact the CTRC at (716)
954-2225. All contacts will remain confidential unless otherwise
requested.

[amtichnik]

There are all sorts of positive things going on in Buffalo aside from the silly County Political Soar Opera.

As far as your list of people effecting change, the jury is still out on Primary Challange and Free Buffalo. The appear to be both based upon faulty premises. I do not beleive that either has produced any tangable positive results.

[WNYresident]

Originally posted by amtichnik
There are all sorts of positive things going on in Buffalo aside from the silly County Political Soar Opera.

As far as your list of people effecting change, the jury is still out on Primary Challange and Free Buffalo. The appear to be both based upon faulty premises. I do not beleive that either has produced any tangable positive results.

amtichnik? What have you don't for WNY lately? Be honest, don't be shy.. lets hear it... :) err well read it.

[Night Owl]

It is always nice to hear from new members of the boards.

:p

amtichnik, I am Night Owl... welcome to the boards, nice to meet you.

[amtichnik]

Night Owl It is always nice to hear from new members of the boards.

amtichnik, I am Night Owl... welcome to the boards, nice to meet you.

Thanks Night Owl! I am new to this. How do you copy statements you are responding to into your reply?

I think WNYresident is asking what I have done lately? I joined this forum to "SpeakUp."

I raised the issue of the validity of the premises upon which Primary Challange and Free Buffalo operate because I am concerned that they my be unknowingly misdirecting good peoples time and energy into something that will be disappointing. The last thing that Western New York needs is another disappointment.

I haven't really studied either group and only have a notion of the premises upon which they operate. I welcome correction or clarification.

Primary Challange believes that governmental reform and effective leadership will occur in Erie County if every candidate has a challange in their political party's primary. That is a pretty week proposition. Somebody explain it to me.

Free Buffalo as I understand it is libertarian. Ain't happenin NYS.

[SolarEclipse]

Welcome to the board. There are separate forums for both Primary Challenge and Free Buffalo where this discussion may be continued. I'd suggest starting/continuing a thread in those forums if you want to continue that debate.

[Night Owl]

Among the organizations invited are:

Free Buffalo, Primary Challenge, The Graycliff Conservancy, The Pierce Arrow Museum, Darwin Martin House Restoration Corporation, True Bethel Baptist Church, Citizens for Regional Transit Corporation, The Broadway Market, Industrial Heritage Committee, Buffalo Spree Magazine, The Olmsted Parks Conservancy, Allentown Association, Western New York Heritage Magazine, Revitalize Buffalo, Buffalo Economic Renaissance Corporation, Roycroft Inn, Buffalo Niagara Partnership, Preservation Coalition of Erie County, The New Millennium Group, Buffalo Rising Magazine & Journal and Campaign for Buffalo History, Architecture and Culture, East Side Historical Association, WNY Women's History Museum, as well as a few other local merchants and vendors

Solar, they are open to discussion because the two groups are listed first "Among the organizations invited" in a post you began on the EVENTS forum.

[Boost Buffalo]

Originally posted by Night Owl

I am Night Owl

do you have any proof of this claim?

[Boost Buffalo]

hey Solar, what will you do with all those new found building componants? Install them? display them on a table? lock them in a closet? what.

You guys are doing a hell of a job there.

[Night Owl]

I am new to this. How do you copy statements you are responding to into your reply?

The easiest way is in the bottom right corner of each post is a "quote" button. The whole post (you want to reply to) will come up in a reply box. Delete what you are not replying to, but leave the opening and closing tags.

[ b] [ i] [ quote] [ /b] [/ quote] [/ i] (I left spaces between so you can see what the opening and closing tags look like, there won't be spaces in the real post.)

Hope this helps. Give it a try.

[Night Owl]

do you have any proof of this claim?

Yep, ask Admin :)

[Night Owl]

amtichnik, this will help too

http://www.speakupwny.com/forum/misc.php?s=&action=faq&page=3#HTML

[SolarEclipse]

Originally posted by Night Owl
Solar, they are open to discussion because the two groups are listed first "Among the organizations invited" in a post you began on the EVENTS forum.

If you want to discuss why they were invited, then I would reply by saying the groups fit the description of the event. If you want to discuss the validity of the groups, then I would think an administrator would like to keep that to the forums reserved for those types of discussions, as they don't relate to the event itself. The people that would be qualified to answer questions may not read this forum or topic.

Boost - As the release said, we expect to display some of the items at events. I would doubt any of them would be reinstalled [permanently] at this point.

[amtichnik]

Originally posted by SolarEclipse
the groups fit the description of the event.
(people who have organized their efforts to restore
Buffalo to its rightful prominence!)


Three comments:
1. Most people hope to restore Buffalo to its rightful prominence.

2. Not-for-profits should not promote political organizations.

3. Every other organization listed is a not-for-profit and has and will contribute to a vision for a new Buffalo.

Aside from violating the Law in endorsing a political organization, neither organization deserves to be listed until they have accomplished something tangable.

At Solar's urging, I went to the forums suggested/

Free Buffalo was formed to promote "Libertarian Pluralism"

Primary Challange was created to get "new blood" into local politics but has no idealogy or plan and intends to work to remove those who it elects in the next election cycle thereby forcing productive elected official to form relationships with existing party aparatus to aviod being throw our by the next "newcomer" prior to effecting their desired changes. May get some people elected but not a very good organizational model. Kinda a "we eat our young mentality."

Not impuning anyone's motives. Only asking that well intentioned people think things through.

[moonshine]

Only asking that well intentioned people think things through.

It's quite insulting that you believe us sheeple couldn't think for ourselves without your assistance.

Are you L Ron Hubbard?

[amtichnik]

Sorry. I didn't mean it to come accross like that.

[moonshine]

No harm. I'm a little crabby today. :D

[amtichnik]

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Originally posted by moonshine
It's quite insulting that you believe us sheeple couldn't think for ourselves without your assistance.

Are you L Ron Hubbard?

I don't have all the facts or all the answers and neither does anyone else. The people who are supporting restoration of the terminal have a worthty goal, have picked an awesome symbol and appear to be doing good work. As someone who would love to contribute to that effort, I am concerned that they are alligning themselves with policital organizations which will hurt their efforts. I am also concerned that by supporting a political organization, as a not-for-profit, they are violating the law.

If I shouldn't be concerned, explain it to me. I am looking for your assistance.

Following up my apology, as a sheeple, if you have thought it through, could you explain the following:

1. How does you envision Primary Challange contributing to revitalizing Buffalo and Western New York.

2. Same question for Free Buffalo.

3. How to you address the concerns of a not-for-profit supporting political candidates and organizations.

[SolarEclipse]

Originally posted by amtichnik
[B]Three comments:
1. Most people hope to restore Buffalo to its rightful prominence.


Regardless of the fact that comment is completely subjective, while there certainly are people that do wish to restore Buffalo, the vast majority of them have done nothing to organize their efforts. Message board posting doesn't count in my book.



2. Not-for-profits should not promote political organizations.


The CTRC does not endorse or promote political organizations. We're merely providing a venue where various groups can come promote themselves.



3. Every other organization listed is a not-for-profit and has and will contribute to a vision for a new Buffalo.


Again, completely subjective. There are plenty of people, even ones on this board, that don't believe historical preservation is a viable or the right way to build Buffalo. Obviously, the CTRC does and is offering a place for the various groups to gather.



Aside from violating the Law in endorsing a political organization, neither organization deserves to be listed until they have accomplished something tangable.


Non-profits can't fund political campaigns. Neither group is a candidate and we are not giving funds to any of the groups attending.

[amtichnik]

Originally posted by SolarEclipse
Regardless of the fact that comment is completely subjective, while there certainly are people that do wish to restore Buffalo, the vast majority of them have done nothing to organize their efforts. Message board posting doesn't count in my book.

AGREED

The CTRC does not endorse or promote political organizations. We're merely providing a venue where various groups can come promote themselves.

GOOD - Be careful.

Again, completely subjective. There are plenty of people, even ones on this board, that don't believe historical preservation is a viable or the right way to build Buffalo. Obviously, the CTRC does and is offering a place for the various groups to gather.

IT has to be part of the Answer. Great Asset. Adaptive Reuse. All that good stuff.

Non-profits can't fund political campaigns. Neither group is a candidate and we are not giving funds to any of the groups attending.

GREAT

[Night Owl]

If you want to discuss the validity of the groups, then I would think an administrator would like to keep that to the forums reserved for those types of discussions,

I actually didn't say anything about the "validity" of either one of the groups in this thread.

[WNYresident]

Originally posted by Night Owl
Solar, they are open to discussion because the two groups are listed first "Among the organizations invited" in a post you began on the EVENTS forum.

This is an event forum. Discuss each group in thier forum.

[WNYresident]

If you want to discuss the validity of the groups, then I would think an administrator would like to keep that to the forums reserved for those types of discussions,


Nightowl:
I actually didn't say anything about the "validity" of either one of the groups in this thread.


They didn't say you said anything about the groups validity. They said if the person would like to discuss the validity of the groups that the administrator would like to keep that to the forums reserved for those discussions.

[buffy]

I didn't see a location for this event

[moonshine]

amtichnik-


As someone who would love to contribute to that effort, I am concerned that they are alligning themselves with policital organizations which will hurt their efforts.

Very valid point. Every business in this county/state has been exposed to the same chicanery. As soon as you back one political group you are doomed to pay the consequences.


I am also concerned that by supporting a political organization, as a not-for-profit, they are violating the law.

I don't think either group (PC, FB) is "legally" a "political organization". For instance, would the catholic church be a political organization for endorsing a candidate or viewpoint? If this country wasn't so overcome by statist laws that perpetuate the existing ruling body we wouldn't need to worry about these questions.


How does you envision Primary Challange contributing to revitalizing Buffalo and Western New York.

I have no idea. Unless the people elected can change the structural body of our political system they will contribute null/


Same question for Free Buffalo.
See lewrockwell.com or mises.org. They exist only to question the bedrock of our "democracy". They are also capitalists, something we haven't had a good dose of in this century. I support them 100%.


How to you address the concerns of a not-for-profit supporting political candidates and organizations.

The same way I would address the concerns of the church advocating a candidate. George Holt for King...as long as his tithe is more than it used to be.

[Marc]

For instance, would the catholic church be a political organization for endorsing a candidate or viewpoint?

Legally to keep thier tax exempt status, they can only endorse viewpoints.

[SolarEclipse]

Originally posted by Buff Lifer
I didn't see a location for this event

The event is at the Central Terminal. 495 Paderewski Drive in Buffalo.