Obama effigy found hung - Differant response - Imagine that?

[LHardy]

Obama effigy found on U. of Kentucky campus (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D944CKD01&show_article=1)

LEXINGTON, Ky. (AP) - University of Kentucky authorities were investigating Wednesday who hanged an effigy of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=Barack%20Obama&sid=breitbart.com) from a tree on campus.


College spokesman Carl Nathe said the effigy was found Wednesday morning. Police immediately took it down.

University President Lee Todd said he planned to apologize to the Obama family on behalf of the school and that he is "personally offended and deeply embarrassed by this disgusting episode."

Federal authorities have been notified, Todd said. He said the effigy violates the university's code of ethics and won't be tolerated.

"I am outraged because we work very hard, every day, to build bridges across the divides," Todd said. "Diversity and inclusion are among our most precious core values. Episodes like this serve only to erode our confidence in and respect for one another."

Mike Lynch, a faculty member who works in a building near where the effigy was found, said he saw it around 8:40 a.m. He described it as life-sized with a Barack Obama Halloween mask, a suit jacket and sweat pants.

Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan declined to comment specifically on the situation, but said an effigy can suggest a threatening tone or be an attempt to intimidate. He said the agency is "very proactive about addressing these matters."
No SS for the Sarah Palin effigy. (Hiel Hitler!)

In West Hollywood, (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=West%20Hollywood&sid=breitbart.com) Calif., authorities on Wednesday were looking into a Halloween display depicting a mannequin of GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin hanging from a noose.
(This is a lie. We know the authorities are not looking into this. They've already said so.)
At the University of Kentucky, Martin Luther King Jr. Cultural Center interim director Chester Grundy said he was outraged by the incident. A rally was being planned for 7 p.m. EDT Wednesday, where staff and student leaders are expected to speak in response, he said.
Gov. Steve Beshear called the incident "embarrassing" and "deeply offensive."
(Again no such response for the Sarah Palin effigy from community leaders.)

"This was not political speech. It was simply hate," he said.
(hanging Sarah Palin is fun though isn't it?)
Raoul Cunningham, president of the Louisville chapter of the NAACP, said he is still trying to sort out his feelings "because there may be a double-meaning because Barack Obama is black, that he would be hung from a tree—that goes back to lynching." (But hanging Sarah Palin is nothing like NASI Germany hanging over 4000 women)

John Johnson, (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=John%20Johnson&sid=breitbart.com) executive director of the Kentucky Commission on Human Rights, (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=Human%20Rights&sid=breitbart.com) called the action unacceptable even if it was a prank. "It's astonishing that somebody would do that at this day and time," he said. "You would hope that our country has progressed further than that."

These people didn't read the paper just the other day?
I knew this would happen and these are the exact results expected. Hang the white women, it's a halloween prank. Hang the black man and it's a travisty and the SS must be involved and we must be outraged!.

There is no more credibilty in the race game and this is just the start if Obama is elected.

[LHardy]

Only after bad press and the above Obama effigy did the authorities decide it was time too act against the Palin effigy.

They must of realized, after the Obama SS arrived at the mayors office, that if the authority was going to investigate and complain about the Obama effigy they had better do the same for the Palin effigy.

Wouldn't want to look bias would they. Even though it took only hours for the Obama SS to respond to the Obama incident and nearly a week to respond to the Palin effigy.

[mesue]

Obama effigy found on U. of Kentucky campus (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D944CKD01&show_article=1)

LEXINGTON, Ky. (AP) - University of Kentucky authorities were investigating Wednesday who hanged an effigy of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=Barack%20Obama&sid=breitbart.com) from a tree on campus.


College spokesman Carl Nathe said the effigy was found Wednesday morning. Police immediately took it down.

University President Lee Todd said he planned to apologize to the Obama family on behalf of the school and that he is "personally offended and deeply embarrassed by this disgusting episode."

Federal authorities have been notified, Todd said. He said the effigy violates the university's code of ethics and won't be tolerated.

"I am outraged because we work very hard, every day, to build bridges across the divides," Todd said. "Diversity and inclusion are among our most precious core values. Episodes like this serve only to erode our confidence in and respect for one another."

Mike Lynch, a faculty member who works in a building near where the effigy was found, said he saw it around 8:40 a.m. He described it as life-sized with a Barack Obama Halloween mask, a suit jacket and sweat pants.

Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan declined to comment specifically on the situation, but said an effigy can suggest a threatening tone or be an attempt to intimidate. He said the agency is "very proactive about addressing these matters."
No SS for the Sarah Palin effigy. (Hiel Hitler!)

In West Hollywood, (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=West%20Hollywood&sid=breitbart.com) Calif., authorities on Wednesday were looking into a Halloween display depicting a mannequin of GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin hanging from a noose.
(This is a lie. We know the authorities are not looking into this. They've already said so.)
At the University of Kentucky, Martin Luther King Jr. Cultural Center interim director Chester Grundy said he was outraged by the incident. A rally was being planned for 7 p.m. EDT Wednesday, where staff and student leaders are expected to speak in response, he said.
Gov. Steve Beshear called the incident "embarrassing" and "deeply offensive."
(Again no such response for the Sarah Palin effigy from community leaders.)

"This was not political speech. It was simply hate," he said.
(hanging Sarah Palin is fun though isn't it?)
Raoul Cunningham, president of the Louisville chapter of the NAACP, said he is still trying to sort out his feelings "because there may be a double-meaning because Barack Obama is black, that he would be hung from a tree—that goes back to lynching." (But hanging Sarah Palin is nothing like NASI Germany hanging over 4000 women)

John Johnson, (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=John%20Johnson&sid=breitbart.com) executive director of the Kentucky Commission on Human Rights, (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=Human%20Rights&sid=breitbart.com) called the action unacceptable even if it was a prank. "It's astonishing that somebody would do that at this day and time," he said. "You would hope that our country has progressed further than that."

These people didn't read the paper just the other day?
I knew this would happen and these are the exact results expected. Hang the white women, it's a halloween prank. Hang the black man and it's a travisty and the SS must be involved and we must be outraged!.

There is no more credibilty in the race game and this is just the start if Obama is elected.
Where are the apologies to McCain and Palin?

[mikenold]

Just another example of the Liberal double standard. Nothing new here. I am kinda surprised no one has gone to jail yet in the Obama hanging, but give them time and a suspect. Is this anywhere near Rush Linbaugh, Joe the Plumber or that reporter from Florida's house? Just asking. :D

[run4it]

Except that you havent' heard any "liberals" especially here, but most likely anywhere, defending the Palin effigy-hanging either. All I've heard and condemnations (from Olbermann, Page, etc).

No one defending it at all, even in context. Which is more than I can say for you all bitching about a response to the Obama display.

Faux outrage: Is it right for you? Ask your favorite right wing talking head!

[LHardy]

LEXINGTON, Ky. (http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/574675.html)-- A University of Kentucky student and another man were arrested Thursday, accused of hanging a life-sized likeness of Barack Obama from a tree on the campus.

The incident was one of several in recent weeks involving effigies of the presidential candidates or their running mates. No charges have been filed in four other cases that have made national headlines.

Arrested were Joe Fischer, 22, a UK student, and Hunter Bush, 21, both of Lexington. Both were being held at Fayette County Detention Center on charges of disorderly conduct related to the hanging of the effigy.

They should have hung Palin and Obama in effigy. Would they then be charged with two counts of DC?

[Surfing USA]

UK President Lee Todd said the effigy violates the university's code of ethics, and Fischer faces punishment that could include expulsion.

"As outrageous and offensive an act as the effigy was, I truly believe it has mobilized our campus, the community and the state in an effort to battle racism," Todd said Thursday.As a few of us have stated prior to this incident, if someone were to hang an Obama effigy, it will be seen as a statement of racism. :rolleyes:

Go figure. :rolleyes:

[mikenold]

As a few of us have stated prior to this incident, if someone were to hang an Obama effigy, it will be seen as a statement of racism. :rolleyes:

Go figure. :rolleyes:

This stuff is just obvious. Double standards are just another tool of Liberalism.

[Dougles]

Except that you havent' heard any "liberals" especially here, but most likely anywhere, defending the Palin effigy-hanging either. All I've heard and condemnations (from Olbermann, Page, etc).

No one defending it at all, even in context. Which is more than I can say for you all bitching about a response to the Obama display.

Faux outrage: Is it right for you? Ask your favorite right wing talking head!

Correct, both sides have condemd BOTH actions, but if i recall the Palin/McCain "hangings" last several days before actions where the Obama hanging last only a few hours. that's they MAJOR issue here!

[mikenold]

Correct, both sides have condemd BOTH actions, but if i recall the Palin/McCain "hangings" last several days before actions where the Obama hanging last only a few hours. that's they MAJOR issue here!

Not only that, they have arrested two suspects in one of the obama hangings.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hlnR7kQP7tXQKA0872BAweYKqPFQD94537N80

They know who the perp is in the Palin Hanging but I see no one being arrested, I wonder why? :rolleyes:

[BorderBob]

Obama effigy found on U. of Kentucky campus (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D944CKD01&show_article=1)

LEXINGTON, Ky. (AP) - University of Kentucky authorities were investigating Wednesday who hanged an effigy of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=Barack%20Obama&sid=breitbart.com) from a tree on campus.


College spokesman Carl Nathe said the effigy was found Wednesday morning. Police immediately took it down.

University President Lee Todd said he planned to apologize to the Obama family on behalf of the school and that he is "personally offended and deeply embarrassed by this disgusting episode."

Federal authorities have been notified, Todd said. He said the effigy violates the university's code of ethics and won't be tolerated.

"I am outraged because we work very hard, every day, to build bridges across the divides," Todd said. "Diversity and inclusion are among our most precious core values. Episodes like this serve only to erode our confidence in and respect for one another."

Mike Lynch, a faculty member who works in a building near where the effigy was found, said he saw it around 8:40 a.m. He described it as life-sized with a Barack Obama Halloween mask, a suit jacket and sweat pants.

Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan declined to comment specifically on the situation, but said an effigy can suggest a threatening tone or be an attempt to intimidate. He said the agency is "very proactive about addressing these matters."
No SS for the Sarah Palin effigy. (Hiel Hitler!)

In West Hollywood, (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=West%20Hollywood&sid=breitbart.com) Calif., authorities on Wednesday were looking into a Halloween display depicting a mannequin of GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin hanging from a noose.
(This is a lie. We know the authorities are not looking into this. They've already said so.)
At the University of Kentucky, Martin Luther King Jr. Cultural Center interim director Chester Grundy said he was outraged by the incident. A rally was being planned for 7 p.m. EDT Wednesday, where staff and student leaders are expected to speak in response, he said.
Gov. Steve Beshear called the incident "embarrassing" and "deeply offensive."
(Again no such response for the Sarah Palin effigy from community leaders.)

"This was not political speech. It was simply hate," he said.
(hanging Sarah Palin is fun though isn't it?)
Raoul Cunningham, president of the Louisville chapter of the NAACP, said he is still trying to sort out his feelings "because there may be a double-meaning because Barack Obama is black, that he would be hung from a tree—that goes back to lynching." (But hanging Sarah Palin is nothing like NASI Germany hanging over 4000 women)

John Johnson, (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=John%20Johnson&sid=breitbart.com) executive director of the Kentucky Commission on Human Rights, (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=Human%20Rights&sid=breitbart.com) called the action unacceptable even if it was a prank. "It's astonishing that somebody would do that at this day and time," he said. "You would hope that our country has progressed further than that."

These people didn't read the paper just the other day?
I knew this would happen and these are the exact results expected. Hang the white women, it's a halloween prank. Hang the black man and it's a travisty and the SS must be involved and we must be outraged!.

There is no more credibilty in the race game and this is just the start if Obama is elected.

Wrong again Bucko! (do I detect a pattern here??)

http://cbs2.com/local/Sarah.Palin.Effigy.2.852046.html

Secret Service investigated. No arrests. Chad Morrisette's neighbors took action and removed the effigy of Palin (no arrests) Colleges, well they have the authority to remove their effigy without regard to whoever put it up.

Lots of heat, but no light.

b.b.
(the link is off the DRUDGEREPORT. Too liberal for you??)

[mikenold]

Wrong again Bucko! (do I detect a pattern here??)

http://cbs2.com/local/Sarah.Palin.Effigy.2.852046.html

Secret Service investigated. No arrests. Chad Morrisette's neighbors took action and removed the effigy of Palin (no arrests) Colleges, well they have the authority to remove their effigy without regard to whoever put it up.

Lots of heat, but no light.

b.b.
(the link is off the DRUDGEREPORT. Too liberal for you??)

What are you trying to point out here. Did you look at the AP link that I posted? 2 men were arrested for the effigy of Barack hanging from a tree. There were and are still no arrests in the Palin hanging. So what is wrong? Or, maybe I am misunderstanding your post?

[therising]

I haven't been paying 100% attention to the latest on this riveting developing story. So, I will admit that, I'm not sure who has been "effigied", and who hasn't.

But, I have one question for Mikenold, LHardy, etc - You guys are all old enough (as am I) to remember at least 25 years, or more of Presidential Campaigns.....


.....Can you remember any other campaigns, in which the candidiate have been hung in effigy?

[mikenold]

I haven't been paying 100% attention to the latest on this riveting developing story. So, I will admit that, I'm not sure who has been "effigied", and who hasn't.

But, I have one question for Mikenold, LHardy, etc - You guys are all old enough (as am I) to remember at least 25 years, or more of Presidential Campaigns.....


.....Can you remember any other campaigns, in which the candidiate have been hung in effigy?

Never happened before. I think it just shows how low we have sunk as a society. People don't have respect for anyone or anything, period. How very sad. :(

[BorderBob]

.....Can you remember any other campaigns, in which the candidiate have been hung in effigy?

That(!) is a great point. What does that say about the state of this country? What did they use to say about the United States and the manner in which it changed its leaders?

For Hardy, I guess I spoke too soon. Two arrests in the Tenessee case indeed. Disorderly conduct might be different in Tennessee. Might be different because it didn't occur on private property. Might be different because it wasn't part of a Halloween display. Might be because California doesn't support McCain/Palin.

Lots of choices!


b.b.

[therising]

Never happened before. I think it just shows how low we have sunk as a society. People don't have respect for anyone or anything, period. How very sad. :(

Then, why is it, that instead of taking this response initially, your response has always been about the whole double standard thing.

Did you condemn the whole effigy thing from the beginning?

[mikenold]

Then, why is it, that instead of taking this response initially, your response has always been about the whole double standard thing.

Did you condemn the whole effigy thing from the beginning?

I did have the same response to your question. But your question was not asked in the beginning. My response of the double standard was to a different question than the one you asked now. Why didn't you ask "Can you remember any other campaigns, in which the candidiate have been hung in effigy?" in the beginning then?

[therising]

I did have the same response to your question. But your question was not asked in the beginning. My response of the double standard was to a different question than the one you asked now. Why didn't you ask "Can you remember any other campaigns, in which the candidiate have been hung in effigy?" in the beginning then?


You're right, maybe I should have asked that from the start. My bad.

And, then maybe your tone would have changed from whining about how it's OK to hang white mannequins, but not black ones. Maybe you would have taken the stance that it's really not all that cool, period.

[dave338]

Not only that, they have arrested two suspects in one of the obama hangings.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hlnR7kQP7tXQKA0872BAweYKqPFQD94537N80

They know who the perp is in the Palin Hanging but I see no one being arrested, I wonder why? :rolleyes:

The two UK students were arrested because they did it on campus property. The Palin one was done by a guy on his own property. What exactly would you have him arrested for?

[LHardy]

Dave and bob,

The disorderly conduct charge is clear it is related to the effigy. The officials have stated it to be so.
That is what makes it differant. I can not say 100% that had it just been a clown hanging from a tree a disorderly conduct arrest would have been made. I would think not.

Having been on campi at halloween there is always a lot of things hanging from trees by a noose.

Almost forgot, you can be arrested for disorderly conduct on private property. Including your own.

[dave338]

Almost forgot, you can be arrested for disorderly conduct on private property. Including your own.

No doubt - for drinking, excessive noise, etc. But for decorating your house? If someone in my neighborhood wrote a curse word across their yard with weeds, could I have them arrested for disorderly conduct?

[LHardy]

No doubt - for drinking, excessive noise, etc. But for decorating your house? If someone in my neighborhood wrote a curse word across their yard with weeds, could I have them arrested for disorderly conduct?
Profanity could be a charge of disorderly conduct.

[mikenold]

You're right, maybe I should have asked that from the start. My bad.

And, then maybe your tone would have changed from whining about how it's OK to hang white mannequins, but not black ones. Maybe you would have taken the stance that it's really not all that cool, period.

Probably not. But most anything is possible. Just being honest here. :D

[mikenold]

The two UK students were arrested because they did it on campus property. The Palin one was done by a guy on his own property. What exactly would you have him arrested for?

It all depends on what the charges are.

[mikenold]

No doubt - for drinking, excessive noise, etc. But for decorating your house? If someone in my neighborhood wrote a curse word across their yard with weeds, could I have them arrested for disorderly conduct?

Depends on the town. :D

[dave338]

It all depends on what the charges are.

My question was what would _YOU_ have him arrested for.

[Surfing USA]

Might be different because it wasn't part of a Halloween display.
b.b.This point could be argued, considering they used an Obama Halloween mask.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:IHrBO93dDecweM:http://www.costumzee.com/users/thorgren-288-full.gif

[mikenold]

My question was what would _YOU_ have him arrested for.

Initially, for having very poor taste and no respect for a vice presidential candidate. Then I would add more charges later after I search his computer hard drive and talk to all his neighbors. Check the unemployment, child support, and tax records. And, of course, see who his elementary school friends were and check to see what kind of trouble he may have cause while attending school. :p

[dave338]

Initially, for having very poor taste and no respect for a vice presidential candidate. Then I would add more charges later after I search his computer hard drive and talk to all his neighbors. Check the unemployment, child support, and tax records. And, of course, see who his elementary school friends were and check to see what kind of trouble he may have cause while attending school. :p

If you can't be serious about what you think he should be arrested for, then why make a stink at all? He's entitled to free speech on his own lawn. If the kids in KY had been a suburban or rural guy with his own halloween display, there wouldn't have been grounds to arrest them, no matter what the public outcry.

[mikenold]

If you can't be serious about what you think he should be arrested for, then why make a stink at all? He's entitled to free speech on his own lawn. If the kids in KY had been a suburban or rural guy with his own halloween display, there wouldn't have been grounds to arrest them, no matter what the public outcry.

I was not serious with you because I see through your fishing expedition. You try to bait me into saying something so that you can then try to make me look bad. I never said that he should be arrested in the first place! I do think however that this display or any display like it should not be allowed to stand. The guy is a complete idiot and shows his stupidity by his display. There, I have given you some fish! :p

[dave338]

You said, above:


Not only that, they have arrested two suspects in one of the obama hangings.

They know who the perp is in the Palin Hanging but I see no one being arrested, I wonder why?

My question was what you would have them arrested _for_. No fishing expedition - just a logical followup to your question.

[mikenold]

You said, above:



My question was what you would have them arrested _for_. No fishing expedition - just a logical followup to your question.

My point was that if you arrest one for something that the other could also be charged with, then both should be arrested. We can continue to go round and round, but the real underlying issue (and we both know this) is that no one should be hanging up effigies of anyone else. That’s the bottom line. Weather people are arrested for this is not my call. It just should not be happening in the first place. This really spells out how depraved our society has become. Wouldn't you agree?

[dave338]

I have no problem with it happening, and believe it's been happening for years. It's being covered now - in my opinion - because of the situation in Jena last year. That situation brought anything with a noose into the public eye, and since it happened there's been one incident after another reported in the news - nooses on college campuses, nooses at politicians houses, etc. I don't think it's any different than that stupid girl who claimed someone beat her up because she was a McCain supporter.

Our society is no more depraved than it ever was, and in fact, is probably _better_ than it has ever been. What the news chooses to report on is not under my control, or any of the other decent people in the country. 3 attention whores decided to try to get on the news - how does that reflect on the other 300,000,000 Americans?

http://openweb.tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/1994-8/1994-08-29-CBS-14.html

5th paragraph: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9505E0DA1E3EF930A25753C1A9609582 60&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/07/21/bush_effigy040721.html

5th graph: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=13476

2nd paragraph: http://www.slate.com/id/2104529/

But yeah - it's probably a sign that things are worse in 2008 that people are still doing what they were doing in 2000-2004.