Palin should resign, conservative says

[atotaltotalfan2001]

The Palin Problem
by Kathleen Parker


Hey Palin fans -- read it and weap. GOP columnist Kathleen Parker started out as a big Pain booster.

No more.
Her column, which was in Saturday's Buffalo News:

WASHINGTON -- If at one time women were considered heretical for swimming upstream against feminist orthodoxy, they now face condemnation for swimming downstream -- away from Sarah Palin.

To express reservations about her qualifications to be vice president -- and possibly president -- is to risk being labeled anti-woman.

Or, as I am guilty of charging her early critics, supporting only a certain kind of woman.

Some of the passionately feminist critics of Palin who attacked her personally deserved some of the backlash they received. But circumstances have changed since Palin was introduced as just a hockey mom with lipstick -- what a difference a financial crisis makes -- and a more complicated picture has emerged.

As we've seen and heard more from John McCain's running mate, it is increasingly clear that Palin is a problem. Quick study or not, she doesn't know enough about economics and foreign policy to make Americans comfortable with a President Palin should conditions warrant her promotion.

Yes, she recently met and turned several heads of state as the United Nations General Assembly convened in New York. She was gracious, charming and disarming. Men swooned. Pakistan's president wanted to hug her. (Perhaps Osama bin Laden is dying to meet her?)

And, yes, she has common sense, something we value. And she's had executive experience as a mayor and a governor, though of relatively small constituencies (about 6,000 and 680,000, respectively).

Finally, Palin's narrative is fun, inspiring and all-American in that frontier way we seem to admire. When Palin first emerged as John McCain's running mate, I confess I was delighted. She was the antithesis and nemesis of the hirsute, Birkenstock-wearing sisterhood -- a refreshing feminist of a different order who personified the modern successful working mother.

Palin didn't make a mess cracking the glass ceiling. She simply glided through it.

It was fun while it lasted.

Palin's recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.

No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I've been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I've also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted.

Palin filibusters. She repeats words, filling space with deadwood. Cut the verbiage and there's not much content there. Here's but one example of many from her interview with Hannity:

"Well, there is a danger in allowing some obsessive partisanship to get into the issue that we're talking about today. And that's something that John McCain, too, his track record, proving that he can work both sides of the aisle, he can surpass the partisanship that must be surpassed to deal with an issue like this."

When Couric pointed to polls showing that the financial crisis had boosted Obama's numbers, Palin blustered wordily: "I'm not looking at poll numbers. What I think Americans at the end of the day are going to be able to go back and look at track records and see who's more apt to be talking about solutions and wishing for and hoping for solutions for some opportunity to change, and who's actually done it?"

If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself.

If Palin were a man, we'd all be guffawing, just as we do every time Joe Biden tickles the back of his throat with his toes. But because she's a woman -- and the first ever on a Republican presidential ticket -- we are reluctant to say what is painfully true.

What to do?

McCain can't repudiate his choice for running mate. He not only risks the wrath of the GOP's unforgiving base, but he invites others to second-guess his executive decision-making ability. Barack Obama faces the same problem with Biden.

Only Palin can save McCain, her party and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first.

Do it for your country.

[raoul duke]

Kathleen Parker just doesn't know enough about her "executive experience".

Fight on through to the end, Sarah!!! Or at least through the VP debate so I can have my party.

[raoul duke]

And not be a fuddy-duddy, but a link would be appropriate.

[atotaltotalfan2001]

And not be a fuddy-duddy, but a link would be appropriate.

Yikes. I'm so sorry I neglected to post a link. You're not a fuddy-duddy. Just somewhat who wants proof.

I can't find a link at the Buffalo News site (why, I don't know) but there is one on the column from elsewhere:

http://townhall.com/Columnists/KathleenParker/2008/09/26/the_palin_problem

[atotaltotalfan2001]

Kathleen Parker just doesn't know enough about her "executive experience".

Fight on through to the end, Sarah!!! Or at least through the VP debate so I can have my party.

Excellent point. I think the GOP is downright afraid of what it has spawned.

[Surfing USA]

Fight on through to the end, Sarah!!! Or at least through the VP debate so I can have my party.You can use the party supplies that never got put to use last night. :D :p :D

[raoul duke]

Yikes. I'm so sorry I neglected to post a link. You're not a fuddy-duddy. Just somewhat who wants proof.

I can't find a link at the Buffalo News site (why, I don't know) but there is one on the column from elsewhere:

http://townhall.com/Columnists/KathleenParker/2008/09/26/the_palin_problem
No I am really just being a jerk - feel free to say so. heh.

The best place to get a K-Park fix in the internet rubber-room known as The National Review Online (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDZiMDhjYTU1NmI5Y2MwZjg2MWNiMWMyYTUxZDkwNTE=), which is the web companion of a real rubber-room of the same name - sans "Online".

[raoul duke]

You can use the party supplies that never got put to use last night. :D :p :D
Who said I didn't use them?

[steven]

So you put a lot of stock in what she says totalfan?



Barack Obama seemed to have survived the blasphemous rants of his preacher and remained relatively untarnished by the perceived dissatisfactions of his privileged wife.

But he may be less lucky with remarks he made recently about embittered, small-town Americans, who "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Those words now cling to Obama like Styrofoam packing peanuts. The more he tries to brush them away, the more they seem to burrow into the American psyche.
Being effete comes naturally to Democrats these days.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/bowling_for_obama.html

[Surfing USA]

Who said I didn't use them?So you're one to wash away your sorrows with intoxicants? :D

[atotaltotalfan2001]

So you put a lot of stock in what she says totalfan?

I don't know. I read her all the time. She just stunned me with that particular column.

[raoul duke]

So you're one to wash away your sorrows with intoxicants? :D
In order for that to be true, I would have had to have been sorrowful. But alas, I was not.

Do you ever feel odd when you invent someone's argument or supposed POV, just so you can mock it? It's called a "straw man" and is usually a tell that you have nothing to better to say. Besides, ain't this thread about the looming implosion of Palin and, in natural succession, the McCain campaign. There's plenty of debate threads for you to build your straw men and bravely knock them down like so many plastic green army guys.

[raoul duke]

I read her vapid wastes of newspaper real estate just remind myself that at least I'm not that dumb.

[sneakers77]

Yikes. I'm so sorry I neglected to post a link. You're not a fuddy-duddy. Just somewhat who wants proof.

I can't find a link at the Buffalo News site (why, I don't know) but there is one on the column from elsewhere:

http://townhall.com/Columnists/KathleenParker/2008/09/26/the_palin_problem

Take some time and let the comments download.

The voting public slapped Kathleen Parker pretty hard.

Out of the 698 comments, I would bet most of them were in support of Palin.

[CSense]

Ms. Parker isn't the only concerned member of the GOP....


Tony Fabrizio, a GOP strategist, says Palin’s recent CBS appearance isn’t disqualifying but is certainly alarming. “You can’t continue to have interviews like that and not take on water.”

“I have not been blown away by the interviews from her, but at the same time, I haven’t come away from them thinking she doesn’t know s—t,” said Chris Lacivita, a GOP strategist. “But she ain’t Dick Cheney, nor Joe Biden and definitely not Hillary Clinton.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13991.html

What's ironic (being nice) is the number of people on this MB, who cliam not to be biased, that do not see her faults.

[atotaltotalfan2001]

Take some time and let the comments download.

The voting public slapped Kathleen Parker pretty hard.

Out of the 698 comments, I would bet most of them were in support of Palin.

Well, sure her readers slapped her down. Not the point. That is to be expected. And that is what makes her reversal of support for Palin interesting.

[Surfing USA]

Do you ever feel odd when you invent someone's argument or supposed POV, just so you can mock it?
http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/think005.gif
NOPE!

[steven]

What's ironic (being nice) is the number of people on this MB, who cliam not to be biased, that do not see her faults.

I have to admit I like her, I see her faults just like I see all the other candidates faults.

Whats ironic (being nice) is the number of people on this board that refuse to admit they ALL have faults.

[CSense]

There is more...


Scared of Palin, Ed Koch Backs Obama



Former NYC mayor Ed Koch, who supported George W. Bush in 2004 and Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, has announced he's endorsing for Barack Obama (http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/85640/koch-endorses-obama-for-president/Default.aspx). He told NY1, "Protecting and defending the U.S. means more than defending us from foreign attacks. It includes defending the public with respect to their civil rights, civil liberties and other needs." Politico's Ben Smith asked (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Koch_backs_Obama_calls_Palin_scary.html?showall) Koch why Obama, and the 83-year-old said, "Any time someone goes to the library and says, 'I want to ban books,' and the librarian says 'no,' and she threatens to fire them -- that's scary." (Smith adds that the McCain-Palin camp says the VP candidate was just posing a "rhetorical question"). Koch also said he'd be happy to campaign for Obama.
http://gothamist.com/2008/09/09/scared_of_palin_ed_koch_backs_obama.php

[steven]

Koch was supporting Hillary so this comes as a surprise to you?

This thread makes as much sense as the one about Biden stepping down.

[steven]

Not gonna happen

[CSense]

I have to admit I like her, I see her faults just like I see all the other candidates faults.

Whats ironic (being nice) is the number of people on this board that refuse to admit they ALL have faults.

Everyone has faults, Obama to me has some way out liberal programs that scare me, McCain I feel is a loose canon and is going through dimentia, Biden is unionista and Palin imo, is scary stupid.

It's not the like or dislike that bothers me, it's the defiant disbelief that die hards believe she can do no wrong. If I can't defend a position then I don't, but it seems she could yell out that she's a flaming communist and the die hards would make up some crap in her defense.

All she has are one liners, pig lipstick, hockey mom, reformer and bridge. She's bent the truth on most and she has shown a propensity not to understand the questions being asked nor has the ability to cogently provide answers. This is either one of two things, stupidity or total inexperience. Either way, the heartbeat successor in my book does not qualify, hence McCain should not be elected president.

If the Veep is supposed to be qualified (not just age and citizenship) to hold the position of the presidency then I cannot vote for some whom I think is scarily ignorant of the position and it's duties.

[CSense]

Koch was supporting Hillary so this comes as a surprise to you?

This thread makes as much sense as the one about Biden stepping down.

Koch voted for Bush. What he just makes sense when he's voting for your guy?

[steven]

Koch voted for Bush. What he just makes sense when he's voting for your guy?

I dont have a guy. I am still undecided.

Although the whole thing to me would be more interesting if both tickets were flipped.

I find Palin and Biden to be a lot more interesting than McCain and Obama

[sneakers77]

I find Palin to be a bit more attractive than Biden.........

Call me shallow.....

[Smiley]

All she has are one liners, pig lipstick, hockey mom, reformer and bridge. She's bent the truth on most and she has shown a propensity not to understand the questions being asked nor has the ability to cogently provide answers. This is either one of two things, stupidity or total inexperience. Either way, the heartbeat successor in my book does not qualify, hence McCain should not be elected president.

If the Veep is supposed to be qualified (not just age and citizenship) to hold the position of the presidency then I cannot vote for some whom I think is scarily ignorant of the position and it's duties.
I couldn't agree with you more. She is very scary :eek: and to think she would be the co-pilot, soon to be the pilot, or could be.

[raoul duke]

Take some time and let the comments download.

The voting public slapped Kathleen Parker pretty hard.

Out of the 698 comments, I would bet most of them were in support of Palin.
No duh. People who read Kathleen Parker probably overwhelmingly support and/or supported Palin. Parker herself saw great things in Palin roughly 20 days ago.

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It's over, 'cept for the crying. In my opinion, at least. Parker is a populist writer, her appeal is more suited for people who liked Palin for being a "lipsticked maverick" with gumption, decisiveness, with a bit of hockey-mom and a lot of "Minnesota Nice" thrown in there.

Those commenters are going to feel genuinely humiliated and embarrassed - and for legitmate reasons - if Palin goes down like a political Hindenberg. I think Parker sees this coming and is hoping her party quietly ends the fiasco before it does implode in front of everyone and God. Parker's not dumb - though she tries hard to be, at times.

Real conservative opinion makers and thinkers seemed pensive from the beginning, some were aghast. Now that Parker has seen the writing on the wall, there cannot be much holding up the proverbial house of cards that has kept Palin out-of-sight since shortly after we first met her. This whole endeavor will get very ugly if it is not shortly ended.

Every time Palin opens her mouth to the media, McCain loses the news cycle. It ain't lib'rul bias (a myth) that's causing that to happen. It's the utter incoherency of her thoughts and the continuing discovery of a person almost no one knew a thing about before late August. And the more we find out, the less impressive she really looks as a candidate.

McCain's first "major decision" as a national candidate - as the VP pick is normally considered to be - and it's most likely fatal. Helluva pickle to be in. I don't think it could happen to more deserving man and the social movement within the Republican party he blatantly kowtowed or catered to for AstroTurf™ and votes. He's screwed no matter what. A McCain/Christ (Jesus H.) ticket would not be able to save the campaign.

Of course McCain might turn around and pick Lieberman. At which point the Republican party violently self-destructs, taking - thankfully - Lieberman with them.

[sneakers77]

No duh. People who read Kathleen Parker probably overwhelmingly support and/or supported Palin. Parker herself saw great things in Palin roughly 20 days ago.

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It's over, 'cept for the crying. In my opinion, at least. Parker is a populist writer, her appeal is more suited for people who liked Palin for being a "lipsticked maverick" with gumption, decisiveness, with a bit of hockey-mom and a lot of "Minnesota Nice" thrown in there.

Those commenters are going to feel genuinely humiliated and embarrassed - and for legitmate reasons - if Palin goes down like a political Hindenberg. I think Parker sees this coming and is hoping her party quietly ends the fiasco before it does implode in front of everyone and God. Parker's not dumb - though she tries hard to be, at times.

Real conservative opinion makers and thinkers seemed pensive from the beginning, some were aghast. Now that Parker has seen the writing on the wall, there cannot be much holding up the proverbial house of cards that has kept Palin out-of-sight since shortly after we first met her. This whole endeavor will get very ugly if it is not shortly ended.

Every time Palin opens her mouth to the media, McCain loses the news cycle. It ain't lib'rul bias (a myth) that's causing that to happen. It's the utter incoherency of her thoughts and the continuing discovery of a person almost no one knew a thing about before late August. And the more we find out, the less impressive she really looks as a candidate.

McCain's first "major decision" as a national candidate - as the VP pick is normally considered to be - and it's most likely fatal. Helluva pickle to be in. I don't think it could happen to more deserving man and the social movement within the Republican party he blatantly kowtowed or catered to for AstroTurf™ and votes. He's screwed no matter what. A McCain/Christ (Jesus H.) ticket would not be able to save the campaign.

Of course McCain might turn around and pick Lieberman. At which point the Republican party violently self-destructs, taking - thankfully - Lieberman with them.

So, pretty much in your infinite wisdom, you're buying into what
the bitter old feminist is feeding to you..........:D :D

[atotaltotalfan2001]

I have to admit I like her, I see her faults just like I see all the other candidates faults.

Whats ironic (being nice) is the number of people on this board that refuse to admit they ALL have faults.

Hey. I admit I have faults, but no one has put me on the ticket as vice president. Palin was a gimmick, meant to energize a ticket that McCain couldn't excite by himself.

She's an attack poodle. Not too threatening, but willing to take one for the team. So cute, and with a sweet bark too.

The problem is she knows absolutely nothing. A quick study? I guess. But it takes a depth of intelligence, knowledge, character and experience -- character -- to run this country.

She'd do fine in a beauty contest.

[raoul duke]

So, pretty much in your infinite wisdom, you're pretty much buying into what
the bitter old feminist is feeding to you..........:D :D
Thanks for assuming my "wisdom" as being "infinite". I did not think you regarded me that way. Nice incoherent-non-answer cum compliment, moron.

BTW, who's the "bitter old feminist" that is apparently "feeding" me in your fantasies? I'm stumped as to who you're even referring to. Maybe that wisdom ain't so infinite after all. . .

[Dumbfounded]

No duh. People who read Kathleen Parker probably overwhelmingly support and/or supported Palin. Parker herself saw great things in Palin roughly 20 days ago.

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It's over, 'cept for the crying. In my opinion, at least. Parker is a populist writer, her appeal is more suited for people who liked Palin for being a "lipsticked maverick" with gumption, decisiveness, with a bit of hockey-mom and a lot of "Minnesota Nice" thrown in there.

Those commenters are going to feel genuinely humiliated and embarrassed - and for legitmate reasons - if Palin goes down like a political Hindenberg. I think Parker sees this coming and is hoping her party quietly ends the fiasco before it does implode in front of everyone and God. Parker's not dumb - though she tries hard to be, at times.

Real conservative opinion makers and thinkers seemed pensive from the beginning, some were aghast. Now that Parker has seen the writing on the wall, there cannot be much holding up the proverbial house of cards that has kept Palin out-of-sight since shortly after we first met her. This whole endeavor will get very ugly if it is not shortly ended.

Every time Palin opens her mouth to the media, McCain loses the news cycle. It ain't lib'rul bias (a myth) that's causing that to happen. It's the utter incoherency of her thoughts and the continuing discovery of a person almost no one knew a thing about before late August. And the more we find out, the less impressive she really looks as a candidate.

McCain's first "major decision" as a national candidate - as the VP pick is normally considered to be - and it's most likely fatal. Helluva pickle to be in. I don't think it could happen to more deserving man and the social movement within the Republican party he blatantly kowtowed or catered to for AstroTurf™ and votes. He's screwed no matter what. A McCain/Christ (Jesus H.) ticket would not be able to save the campaign.

Of course McCain might turn around and pick Lieberman. At which point the Republican party violently self-destructs, taking - thankfully - Lieberman with them.

Never like Kathleen Parker;Just that smug grinning photo in her column alone makes me want to throw her off a tall buildling.

This is a "Harriet Miers" scenario time 1000.
An embarssment for what passes as the "G.O.P."
and just another insult to the American people intelligence.

I loathe McCain, however its really not too late to switch candidates:All "they" have to do is feed the media an excuse to placate us into believing that Sarah Palin HAD NO CHOICE but to resign as G.O.P. VP candidate;A major health issue;She (Palin) just found out that she has and can not stay in the race and in this state-of-the-art fully controlled mainstream corporate wet dream, they'll do a 'Lifetime' movie and book on Sarah's "struggle with" _________________fill in fake illness.

A better, less laughable VP candidate is chosen and as RD said, choosing Lieberman as VP would cause the G.O.P to self destruct.
Lieberman is a spineless, back-stabbing opportunist who even the dumbed-down American people realize is useless;Not someone you would want to follow, let alone speak to the nation in a Presidential address! YIKES!!!

Someone should do a Youtube or some kind of media joke wherein splices of the Droopy cartoon dog and Joe Liberman are played alongside each other, just for laughs


Back to pitiful Palin,
All the rationalizing spin and "feel good" talk in the world won't turn a ignorant pig with lipstick into an articulate, well-informed, seasoned VP candidate with nothing to hide.

Enough of Palin's "hot looks." She has that "crazy shallow empty stare" look and she's mainly makeup-
Have we become THAT shallow that we have to dub the dunce "the hottest VP?"

"Yes we have, DF."


Don't know if Rove or McCain chose Palin, but she could have said "no, I could NEVER handle the position even for show (with little to no actual work as McCain's VP or God forbid....President.)


Swear it makes perfect sense;Mrs. Palin's doctors suddenly "discover" that she has an illness which requires her dropping out as VP candidate to get treatment, rest, ect-Palin goes out of the spotlight as a new puppet takes her place-
A "better, stronger and faster (thinking) puppet!

And NO. In no way in hell do I wish Palin harm;Sure, she's slaughtered innocent Wolves from a HELICOPTER but "America's sweetheart" has become America's embarassment (one of MANY).

[WestCoastPerspective]

Faults are one thing, being in over your head is something totally different. Then again, she's no worse an interview than GW. Dumbamerica lives!

[buffy]

Sam Harris (http://richarddawkins.net/article,3142,n,n)
writes in Newsweek...

When asked why she is qualified to shoulder more responsibility than any person has held in human history, Palin cites her refusal to hesitate. "You can't blink," she told Gibson repeatedly, as though this were a primordial truth of wise governance. Let us hope that a President Palin would blink, again and again, while more thoughtful people decide the fate of civilization.

What is so unnerving about the candidacy of Sarah Palin is the degree to which she represents—and her supporters celebrate—the joyful marriage of confidence and ignorance. Watching her deny to Gibson that she had ever harbored the slightest doubt about her readiness to take command of the world's only superpower, one got the feeling that Palin would gladly assume any responsibility on earth:

"Governor Palin, are you ready at this moment to perform surgery on this child's brain?"

"Of course, Charlie. I have several boys of my own, and I'm an avid hunter."

"But governor, this is neurosurgery, and you have no training as a surgeon of any kind."

"That's just the point, Charlie. The American people want change in how we make medical decisions in this country. And when faced with a challenge, you cannot blink."

[raoul duke]

This ain't nothing like Harriet Miers. Bush knew her personally. . . for years. It's also too late to swap-out the VP nominee. Know Palin, know people are gonna come out to vote for ya (her, actually); No Palin, nowhere near as many votes. By dumping Palin, McCain risks losing the support of the ONLY Republicans who endeavor in effective grassroots and GOTV operations, in notable earnest. Wall Street will buy influence, but they don't knock on doors, nor do they give anyone a ride to polls. McCain keeps her on the ticket and her gross incompetence for the position she seeks, when compared to every other individual in the race, becomes painfully obvious and unable to ignore. That ain't gonna help with the "independents" he's currently bleeding like a sieve.

All that's left to be accomplished is the crying.

[raoul duke]

Also, that a creative relativist like Sam Harris gets real estate in Newsweek is a testament to the sorry state of the media and the First Amendment.

[sneakers77]

Thanks for assuming my "wisdom" as being "infinite". I did not think you regarded me that way. Nice incoherent-non-answer cum compliment, moron.

BTW, who's the "bitter old feminist" that is apparently "feeding" me in your fantasies? I'm stumped as to who you're even referring to. Maybe that wisdom ain't so infinite after all. . .

I don't assume anything.

Just out of curiousity though, what is the daily dosage of "Kool-Aid" for a
Popinjay these days?

[raoul duke]

I don't assume anything.

Just out of curiousity though, what is the daily dosage of "Kool-Aid" for a
Popinjay these days?
I dunno, whats it like to sleep with your mom?

[sneakers77]

I dunno, whats it like to sleep with your mom?

Why not just answer the question? An intelligent guy like you should be able to do that.

[HipKat]

I have to admit I like her, I see her faults just like I see all the other candidates faults.

Whats ironic (being nice) is the number of people on this board that refuse to admit they ALL have faults.


I'm not on the doorstep to being vice president of the United States, so my faults are not nearly on the same level.

And all her trivialities are starting to look like a growing pile of "faults" that cannot continue to be overlooked.

ANYbody that doesn't see Palin for what she is, decent legs in a skirt, designed to draw votes from disenfranchised Hillary supporters and ignorant men with one hand in their pants is completely ignorant.

[Surfing USA]

I loathe McCain, however its really not too late to switch candidates:All "they" have to do is feed the media an excuse to placate us into believing that Sarah Palin HAD NO CHOICE but to resign as G.O.P. VP candidate;A major health issue;She (Palin) just found out that she has and can not stay in the race and in this state-of-the-art fully controlled mainstream corporate wet dream, they'll do a 'Lifetime' movie and book on Sarah's "struggle with" _________________fill in fake illness.

A better, less laughable VP candidate is chosen and as RD said, choosing Lieberman as VP would cause the G.O.P to self destruct.
Lieberman is a spineless, back-stabbing opportunist who even the dumbed-down American people realize is useless;Not someone you would want to follow, let alone speak to the nation in a Presidential address! YIKES!!!Depending on the outcome of the VP debate, that's what the Obama camp already has planned for Biden.

Biden will step down, citing "unforeseen health problems." I'm betting it's an aneurysm. That would be an ideal excuse as to why the "bubble-head" beat him in a debate he should have won without a hitch.

[steven]

She'd do fine in a beauty contest.

That's the third ref you have made to her looks. Does it bother you that she is pretty or that she was a beauty queen? Are only ugly people allowed to be in the oval office? Only women that don't wear skirts? Would it be OK if she was wearing the feminist jumpsuit and she had no boobs?

Is this the old, "if she is pretty she must be dumb" line of thought women having been fighting for god knows how long rearing its ugly head?

I have noticed that women that don't like her keep bringing that up. Thats a little Catty IMHO. Especially from you, a poster that doesn't normally stoop to that kind of low brow personal attack stuff.

In the other thread a well known liberal thought it was important to mention that her husband was half eskimo. Another well known board liberal implied she should stay home to rear children.

Its really amazing to read.

A few posters assume I keep posting in her threads because I am enthralled with her. The real answer is almost the opposite. Its not her. Its the things coming down the pipe from the so called liberals that is fascinating me and keeps me in her threads.

Freud would have a field day.

[atotaltotalfan2001]

That's the third ref you have made to her looks. Does it bother you that she is pretty or that she was a beauty queen? Are only ugly people allowed to be in the oval office? Only women that don't wear skirts? Would it be OK if she was wearing the feminist jumpsuit and she had no boobs?

Is this the old, "if she is pretty she must be dumb" line of thought women having been fighting for god knows how long rearing its ugly head?

I have noticed that women that don't like her keep bringing that up. Thats a little Catty IMHO. Especially from you, a poster that doesn't normally stoop to that kind of low brow personal attack stuff.

In the other thread a well known liberal thought it was important to mention that her husband was half eskimo. Another well known board liberal implied she should stay home to rear children.

Its really amazing to read.

A few posters assume I keep posting in her threads because I am enthralled with her. The real answer is almost the opposite. Its not her. Its the things coming down the pipe from the so called liberals that is fascinating me and keeps me in her threads.

Freud would have a field day.

It's sort of weird that you actually are keeping track of how many times I've referred to Palin's looks. But you do make a good point.

I make reference to her appearance because that is why she was selected. I suspect she's been riding on her looks for a while, and that is the kind of quiet sexism I find personally offensive. No woman should be picked for that reason. We have enough to deal with without be treated that way. People don't generally talk about it -- that would be politically incorrect and if you do mention it, as I have, you get slammed as being jealous.

I don't think she's dumb because of her looks. I figure she must have brains to have gotten as far as she has. But she certainly seems to lack depth of understanding. She has no business being where she is now.

Are you going to keep counting how many times I refer to her looks? It won't have a chilling effect on me but, frankly, it's sort of a creepy thing to do. You're the last person I'd expect that of.

[steven]

Are you going to keep counting how many times I refer to her looks? It won't have a chilling effect on me but, frankly, it's sort of a creepy thing to do. You're the last person I'd expect that of.

You miss the point. I am not keeping track of how many times you mention it. Its so odd that you bring it up it stuck out in my mind. (I am also writing an article about this for my blog) . Just like it was so odd someone would mention the race of Palins husband and it was crazy odd that a female who calls herself a liberal would infer/imply a women should stay home and take care of her children.

Odd things like that stick out (also like you accusing me of being partisan when I post fabrications BOTH sides have said) Its wierd and it sticks out.


I make reference to her appearance because that is why she was selected.

You cant really belive that can you?

IMO she was selected because she would energize the republican base (McCain is seen as liberal by most rebulicans) and she is very earthy. She connects well with the "down home american" type voters republicans traditionally go after during national elections.

You really have a hangup on the looks thing. I dont think anyone would deny that Kennedy got a bunch of female votes because he was a good looking guy.

If looks is something to complain about you should be picketing "The View" I though one of those broads was going to offer Obama sex right on the stage the way they where gushing all over him telling how cute he was.

Did that bother you?

[Mary3]

Those who are Palin supporters, don't you think that McCain has too tight of a chain on her? If she is as smart as they say, why not let her speak her mind. It seems like she is only allowed to use certain words regarding any question like a Stephard wife.

If she is allowed to speak her mind after letting her know the McCain agenda and position, I think she might come out looking more intelligent than the stupid stuff we are seeing now.

That's my point of view.

Where is the maverick in her when she is being "controlled" to a point of stupidity?

[Surfing USA]

Stephard wife.What's a "Stephard wife"?

[ILOVEDNY]

What's a "Stephard wife"?

Don't rightly know.
Just hope she ain't wearing golf spikes when she does it.

[JustRetired]

What's a "Stephard wife"?

There's something about Mary!?!?!?!

[left wing]

It's "stepford wife" and it refers to the women in the Movie, "The Stepford Wives" which was about a New England community where the women were mindless, robotic and did everything their husbands asked. Yeah, sounds great if that's what appeals to ya. I prefer a mind.

[left wing]

McCain can't get rid of Palin now. It would be painfully obvious why it wa happening, no matter what story they gave. It would make him look like the fool he is. He is very stubborn and won't admit he made a mistake here. Snd, anyway, if he did admit it, it would be political suicide. Either way, the man has proved himself someone of very poor judgment.

From the day she was announced as the candidate, it has been obvious that some leaders in the GOP were not happy with the choice.

The VP debate is going to be painful to watch. I hate to see someone make a fool of herself, even if I don't like her. If Palin were as smart as people seem to think, she would have been smart enough to know she was not up to this job. No shame in that. Few people are.

[HipKat]

Steven, Kennedy was good looking, but he was intelligent and prepared for the job.
Palin is out of her league. Bottom line. She has no place being in this spot.

Sometimes I wonder if Tina Fey is mocking her or flattering her on SNL

[Dumbfounded]

McCain could get rid of Palin now because as long as they're given some kid of easy-to-understand story, MILLIONS of Americans would BUY the media-spun, Rove-approved BS on why Palin had to resign (medical reasons would be best)

Look at it like this: If there really ARE millions of..."Well informed voters" rooting for Sarah Palin-People that DUMB and/or naive would sadly accept a sad spun story that Sarah's doctors insist she drops out of the race or she'll __________________. People WOULD buy this. Esp in the land of "American Idol' and Prime Time sweepstakes!

Toss in Romney as the replacement VP, a relative known to "compliment" McCain better than brainless and the G.O.P. can continue proudly holding their heads high, lying, stealing (yes, along with the DEMS) pretending to be the party of the family and church
As Sarah Palin fades into obscurity as she was never meant for the levels of power she was led to or thought she could function on.



Palin ain't that purdy! Seen pictures of her over the years in 'People'
and she's consistently had that "blank, staring into space who am I" look.
She's a disturbed dunce.
A clueless callow cretin
A misogynistic moron (yes, even a woman can be anti-woman)




Surfing-Just curious;When and why did YOU turn to "the dark side?"
Seriously;Not that you care, but you used to be a far more independent thinker;You're still funny as hell (usually),
but you've been consistenly supporting a clearly brazenly evil party and legislation. WHY?!


Man, I hope that 'Penthouse' digs up some "modeling photos" of Palin from when she was young, clueless, dumb, naive-OK, from when she was young.
Just to humiliate her!

I mean, what sick minds would even want to SEE Sarah Palin "bare it all?"

She ain't THAT hot!
Although McCain's been seen in photos "checking out his VP"

[atotaltotalfan2001]

You miss the point. I am not keeping track of how many times you mention it. Its so odd that you bring it up it stuck out in my mind. (I am also writing an article about this for my blog) . Just like it was so odd someone would mention the race of Palins husband and it was crazy odd that a female who calls herself a liberal would infer/imply a women should stay home and take care of her children.

Odd things like that stick out (also like you accusing me of being partisan when I post fabrications BOTH sides have said) Its wierd and it sticks out.



You cant really belive that can you?

IMO she was selected because she would energize the republican base (McCain is seen as liberal by most rebulicans) and she is very earthy. She connects well with the "down home american" type voters republicans traditionally go after during national elections.

You really have a hangup on the looks thing. I dont think anyone would deny that Kennedy got a bunch of female votes because he was a good looking guy.

If looks is something to complain about you should be picketing "The View" I though one of those broads was going to offer Obama sex right on the stage the way they where gushing all over him telling how cute he was.

Did that bother you?

Okay. And exactly how did she re-energize the party? Not just the base, but the party in general. Was it her keen intelligence? Her long experience in international affairs?

Nope. I think it's great that she is a gov. Hooray. But she has no business pretending to be anything else at her stage of political development.

And, after all this time admiring your opinions, I feel really sad to have been attacked by you.

Time to exit when the people I admire ....well...whatever.

[steven]

Okay. And exactly how did she re-energize the party?

She is, to them at least, a real conservative. Like I said, McCain is seen as too liberal by most of his party. If you had more conservative friends I am guessing you would know that. All of mine (conservitive friends) were really pissed he ( McCain ) got the nomination. Palin makes them happy and insures they will vote for the ticket. Since even the most liberal of liberal news media agrees with this I feel safe in my beliefs.


And, after all this time admiring your opinions, I feel really sad to have been attacked by you.

I am sorry that you consider me stating my opinion an "attack".


Time to exit when the people I admire ....well...whatever.

I think its more then your disagreeing with my opinion. You seem to keep avoiding your statement that I was partisan, and how did you put??... Oh ya, "Out of control" for posting lies issued by both parties.

I am sad to see you have turned into yet another poster that would rather run away then admit something you said was really wrong.

I am even more disappointed to see that your so partisan that you didn't even realize you where calling me out for pointing out that BOTH candidates have ... * Ahem * ...misspoke during the campaign.

Really sad to see that. I though you where bigger than that.

[steven]

and now we will all probably see this thread die.

[raoul duke]

HAH. . .

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This is just going to lead to lazy comedians, imo.

Also, and on topic: A rundown (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-palin28-2008sep28,0,3440078.story) of the Conservative opinion regarding Palin.

Palin, Brooks argued, "has not been engaged in national issues, does not have a repertoire of historic patterns and, like President Bush, seems to compensate for her lack of experience with brashness and excessive decisiveness."

Brooks, a former senior editor of the Weekly Standard, wrote that eight years of "inept" governance by Bush has helped persuade him of the ineffectiveness of a president who makes decisions on gut and instinct.

Writing in the National Review on Friday, Kathleen Parker expressed a similar view but with much less restraint. She said Palin's recent television interviews amounted to content-light "filibusters." The syndicated columnist suggested that the governor -- "Who Is Clearly Out of Her League" -- should quit the Republican ticket to "save McCain, her party, and the country she loves."

Voters typically focus almost exclusively on the presidential candidates, and even weak vice presidential nominees seldom drag down a national ticket.

But David Frum, a former Bush speechwriter, is among conservatives who have worried that the Palin pick weakens one of McCain's best arguments: that he has superior experience and is better prepared to protect America.

"How serious can [McCain] be," Frum wrote even before Palin appeared at the GOP convention, "if he would place such a neophyte second in line to the presidency?"

Charles Krauthammer and Ross Douthat, two other conservative stalwarts, have also doubted Palin's readiness to lead.
It ain't all thorns, there are some roses in there. But the windfall is beginning. And when/if Palin is dropped or leaves the ticket - thus ending McCain's presidential aspirations, words like "landslide" and "realignment"* will enter the political discussion. Moderates and independents are going to leave in droves, as they're wont to do when any campaign implodes and the social conservative are going to lose whatever enthusiasm they had and most likely stay home - angry at those poindexters in the WSJ, the New Republic and Weekly Standard who ruined their first real candidate. I have no doubt that said 'dexters will be the ones screaming the loudest for Palin to return to Alaska as quietly as possible. A lot of them already are.

In my opinion, there's a decent chance this who thing might descend into a long overdue civil war within the Republican party. A war they might not fully recover intact from as certain factions have had just about enough of and presently have less in common ideologically with each other. A resounding electoral defeat just might be the fuse to ignite the war.

---

*By landslide and realignment, I do not explicitly mean Obama may win an overwhelming majority of Electoral College. Though that's not out of the realm of possibility.

But if Obama's kicking ass and taking names in the polls come mid-to-late October, that - like with any party - will energize the base and help down-ticket races where there are a lot of vulnerable incumbents and open seats, some that were hardcore "red" not 10 years ago. That's the landslide. In the Democrat dream scenario, Obama is inaugurated with a veto-proof majority in Congress - unlikely, imo.

The realignment has already been happening and it's not exclusive to the Republican party - historically there is usually about 40 years between every major political realignment and we're about due.

[atotaltotalfan2001]

You miss the point. I am not keeping track of how many times you mention it. Its so odd that you bring it up it stuck out in my mind. (I am also writing an article about this for my blog) . Just like it was so odd someone would mention the race of Palins husband and it was crazy odd that a female who calls herself a liberal would infer/imply a women should stay home and take care of her children.

Odd things like that stick out (also like you accusing me of being partisan when I post fabrications BOTH sides have said) Its wierd and it sticks out.



You cant really belive that can you?

IMO she was selected because she would energize the republican base (McCain is seen as liberal by most rebulicans) and she is very earthy. She connects well with the "down home american" type voters republicans traditionally go after during national elections.

You really have a hangup on the looks thing. I dont think anyone would deny that Kennedy got a bunch of female votes because he was a good looking guy.

If looks is something to complain about you should be picketing "The View" I though one of those broads was going to offer Obama sex right on the stage the way they where gushing all over him telling how cute he was.

Did that bother you?

No. I don't miss the point. McCain could have selected any number of women to be his v.p. What made Palin so special? Could it be she was telegenic, spoke in crisp and meaningless phrases and, if she had a brain, was willing to submerge it for the greater GOP good?

And please stop lumping me in with the silly things others have said about her. I resent that.

[Ragin]

No. I don't miss the point. McCain could have selected any number of women to be his v.p. What made Palin so special? Could it be she was telegenic, spoke in crisp and meaningless phrases and, if she had a brain, was willing to submerge it for the greater GOP good?

And please stop lumping me in with the silly things others have said about her. I resent that.

TTF ... my guess is he picked her because of her conservative views and her willingness to fight against members of her own party.

thats my opinion .. take it for what it's worth.

[left wing]

"Palin, Brooks argued, "has not been engaged in national issues, does not have a repertoire of historic patterns and, like President Bush, seems to compensate for her lack of experience with brashness and excessive decisiveness."

Brooks, a former senior editor of the Weekly Standard, wrote that eight years of "inept" governance by Bush has helped persuade him of the ineffectiveness of a president who makes decisions on gut and instinct.

Writing in the National Review on Friday, Kathleen Parker expressed a similar view but with much less restraint. She said Palin's recent television interviews amounted to content-light "filibusters." The syndicated columnist suggested that the governor -- "Who Is Clearly Out of Her League" -- should quit the Republican ticket to "save McCain, her party, and the country she loves."

Voters typically focus almost exclusively on the presidential candidates, and even weak vice presidential nominees seldom drag down a national ticket.

But David Frum, a former Bush speechwriter, is among conservatives who have worried that the Palin pick weakens one of McCain's best arguments: that he has superior experience and is better prepared to protect America.

"How serious can [McCain] be," Frum wrote even before Palin appeared at the GOP convention, "if he would place such a neophyte second in line to the presidency?"

Charles Krauthammer and Ross Douthat, two other conservative stalwarts, have also doubted Palin's readiness to lead. "


And that list doesn't include George Will. Quite a line up. And then there was Peggy Noonan's inadvertent on-air comment that "It's over."

[steven]

No. I don't miss the point. McCain could have selected any number of women to be his v.p. What made Palin so special?


Not sure really what response your trying to get from me. Am I supposed to defend her? :confused:

You asked me why I thought he picked her. I gave you my opinion. Whether those are good reasons for picking her or not don't really enter into the conversation, for me at least, since I am not a republican.

I will base my decision on who I am going to vote for like I do every election. On the top of the ticket, not on the side show.

Its just really fascinating that it seems 90% of the board threads are focusing on the side show and not the main event.

I guess we will find out Thursday when her and Biden square off if she was a good pick or not.

I am more interested in the strategy of the race and unlike partisan voters I am dispassionate about all involved.

Case in point: If on Thursday she does moderately well I am guessing it will be perceived as a victory because expectations are now so low. Much like some think Obama won the first debate because perception was foreign affairs was McCain's strong area.

To be honest both of them (Obama and McCain) are full of it. I doubt after the huge spending bill we just passed and the looming bailout stuff either one will be able to implement tax cuts for anyone. Neither will admit that though.

Obama yells change and then picks a guy who has been a politician since before the age of dinosaurs. McCain talks about experience and calls up some lady from the minors. Both pander to the lowest common denominator in each party.

Honestly, none of them really trips my trigger.

BTW totalfan you still havent answeared the question I have asked you several times. Why I am I "out of control" for posting factcheck information on both candidates?

[CSense]

Case in point: If on Thursday she does moderately well I am guessing it will be perceived as a victory because expectations are now so low. Much like some think Obama won the first debate because perception was foreign affairs was McCain's strong area.
How Democrats set Sarah Palin up to 'win' Thursday's VP debate (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/sarah-palin-m-5.html)

....The upcoming downside for the Obama-Biden campaign is that its supporters became so flustered over Palin's surprisingly explosive popularity coming out of the GOP convention. They have so successfully mocked, derided and lowered expectations for Palin in Thursday night's VP debate that if she doesn't drool or speak in tongues, many millions still open to persuasion will be impressed.
Al Gore's (http://topics.latimes.com/politics/people/al-gore) campaign made the exact same mistake going into the 2000 debates. So all Texas Gov. George W. Bush (http://topics.latimes.com/politics/people/george-w-bush) had to do was not lose.
In that sense, Democrats may have played right into a PR cul-de-sac. Biden, for instance, described Palin as merely better-looking than him. A far better communications strategy would have been to insincerely portray Palin with superlatives as a superwoman, making it harder, not easier, for her to impress. Too late now.

[therising]

Biden has to be very careful to tread lightly if she starts to look stupid.

If he comes across as condescending he'll turn off a lot of broads. :)

[steven]

How Democrats set Sarah Palin up to 'win' Thursday's VP debate (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/sarah-palin-m-5.html)

....The upcoming downside for the Obama-Biden campaign is that its supporters became so flustered over Palin's surprisingly explosive popularity coming out of the GOP convention. They have so successfully mocked, derided and lowered expectations for Palin in Thursday night's VP debate that if she doesn't drool or speak in tongues, many millions still open to persuasion will be impressed.
Al Gore's (http://topics.latimes.com/politics/people/al-gore) campaign made the exact same mistake going into the 2000 debates. So all Texas Gov. George W. Bush (http://topics.latimes.com/politics/people/george-w-bush) had to do was not lose.
In that sense, Democrats may have played right into a PR cul-de-sac. Biden, for instance, described Palin as merely better-looking than him. A far better communications strategy would have been to insincerely portray Palin with superlatives as a superwoman, making it harder, not easier, for her to impress. Too late now.

My thoughts exactly.

[raoul duke]

How Democrats set Sarah Palin up to 'win' Thursday's VP debate (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/sarah-palin-m-5.html)

....The upcoming downside for the Obama-Biden campaign is that its supporters became so flustered over Palin's surprisingly explosive popularity coming out of the GOP convention. They have so successfully mocked, derided and lowered expectations for Palin in Thursday night's VP debate that if she doesn't drool or speak in tongues, many millions still open to persuasion will be impressed.
Al Gore's (http://topics.latimes.com/politics/people/al-gore) campaign made the exact same mistake going into the 2000 debates. So all Texas Gov. George W. Bush (http://topics.latimes.com/politics/people/george-w-bush) had to do was not lose.
In that sense, Democrats may have played right into a PR cul-de-sac. Biden, for instance, described Palin as merely better-looking than him. A far better communications strategy would have been to insincerely portray Palin with superlatives as a superwoman, making it harder, not easier, for her to impress. Too late now.
No. She's that clueless. I'll bet Ol' Joe is drilling etiquette to keep himself from laughing at or brutally "field dressing" her on national television. (He's a seasoned pol, so he might pull it off.) All that needs to happen is for her to open her mouth and talk. She doesn't need Biden or the moderator to reveal herself as incredibly uninformed. Watch CBS, Palin can do it all by herself.

As a conservative columnist put it, "she can't hit a major league fastball." I only hope she's on the ticket, and my looming rehearsal gets canceled, so I can have my party for the debate.

But I agree with your/the article's over-arching point, the Democratic campaign should take nothing for granted and treat this as if John McCain picked someone who wasn't completely clueless.

Also, who knew Republicans were such whiners? (I've always thought they were for a long time, actually,)

[citymouse]

It's "stepford wife" and it refers to the women in the Movie, "The Stepford Wives" which was about a New England community where the women were mindless, robotic and did everything their husbands asked. Yeah, sounds great if that's what appeals to ya. I prefer a mind.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste, but that dosen't seem to be something Palin has to deal with.

[citymouse]

Coming up to speed here I read that Palin was refered to as a neophyte. I knew she had a lot of kids, but does that make her a neophyte? I will question her intellegence and her opinions, because she stands a good chance of becoming President if events lead us in that direction and fate cooperates.
I don't care what her cravings are. Her personal sexual habits are her own business, just like Clinton. I don't think labeling her a neophyte serves any purpose.

[raoul duke]

Coming up to speed here I read that Palin was refered to as a neophyte. I knew she had a lot of kids, but does that make her a neophyte? I will question her intellegence and her opinions, because she stands a good chance of becoming President if events lead us in that direction and fate cooperates.
I don't care what her cravings are. Her personal sexual habits are her own business, just like Clinton. I don't think labeling her a neophyte serves any purpose.
There's a "subtle" distinction between a neophyte (what you typed) and a nymphomaniac (what, I think, you meant).

Actually, it's not subtle at all. Neophyte is a fancy way to say 'newbie'. It has nothing to do with sex, unless the subject is new to or unfamiliar with it - not an issue to a mother who's birthed 5 children.

Just sayin' :)

[raoul duke]

I'm beginning to think I just might be a thread killer. . .

[speaker]

I'm beginning to think I just might be a thread killer. . .

Funny stuff, there.:D :D :D

Seriously, though, look at this:
Sorry it's a long cut and paste:

Palin says Obama friendly with terrorists

By Jason Szep

COSTA MESA, Calif. (Reuters)- Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin accused Democratic candidate Barack Obama on Saturday of "palling around with terrorists," marking a shift to a nastier tone in the White House race.

The remark was dismissed by Obama as "gutter politics" but appeared to reflect an effort by Sen. John McCain's campaign to target Obama's judgment as the Illinois senator solidifies his national lead and gains an edge in vital battleground states a month before the November 4 election.

It came shortly after McCain's campaign called Obama a liar and just days after both candidates urged Congress to set aside partisan politics to pass a $700 billion financial rescue package in a bid to revive credit markets.

"There is a time when it's necessary to take the gloves off and that time is right now," Palin told thousands of supporters at a rally in a sports arena in Carson, California.

Earlier at a fundraiser in Englewood, Colorado, she departed from her usual speech to question Obama's character.

"Our opponent though is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect, imperfect enough that he is palling around with terrorists who would target their own country," Palin said of Obama, also calling him an embarrassment.

Palin cited a New York Times story on Saturday that examined Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers, a former member of the Vietnam War-era militant Weather Underground organization who is now a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago. The Times concluded they were not close.

In Costa Mesa, California, after raising $2 million from donors, the Alaska governor said she and McCain would "start to tell Americans more and more aggressively, I guess, about the choices" in the election. Continued...

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE4932E920081005

[citymouse]

There's a "subtle" distinction between a neophyte (what you typed) and a nymphomaniac (what, I think, you meant).

Actually, it's not subtle at all. Neophyte is a fancy way to say 'newbie'. It has nothing to do with sex, unless the subject is new to or unfamiliar with it - not an issue to a mother who's birthed 5 children.

Just sayin' :)


Oh! Nevermind.

[citymouse]

Palin said of Obama, also calling him an embarrassment.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE4932E920081005

Irony to the tenth power.
Also I wonder if Palin knows about McCain and the Keating five? How old was she then?