Seriously though, race is not an issue, right?

[therising]

So, if a black guy brings up race, he's "pulling the race card," and that's a bad thing.

But, SurfingUSA's new avatar is perfectly acceptable, I suppose.

[bigpoppapuff]

So, if a black guy brings up race, he's "pulling the race card," and that's a bad thing.

But, SurfingUSA's new avatar is perfectly acceptable, I suppose.

not acceptable at all,imho...but consider the source..

[buffy]

2121 oh c'mon, that's funny:o not racist

you only go around once in life, a sense of humor is good for the soul
Spike Lee knows what I'm talking about; he had his before anyone else

http://tcritic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/obama_is_the_new_black.jpg

[left wing]

Nevertheless, race IS a big factor in this campaign. There is absolutely no other reason for Obama to lose, IMO.

Check out George Will's column in the Washington Post today. More and more, intelligent conservatives are getting worried.

[LHardy]

Nevertheless, race IS a big factor in this campaign. There is absolutely no other reason for Obama to lose, IMO.


Race is a factor for some but it is not a big factor. The bigger factors as to why he may lose are his lack of experiance and inability to shed his far left history.
Both as a matter of voting record and associations.
America is not a left leaning country and Barak Obama is way left of center.
Those would be the big factors when matched up with his non-race issue.
He is biracial for crying out loud.
Slight diversion - if you hate a biracial man, which race do you really hate?
It is also a fact the it is a majority of white democrats that hold the racial envy.

The poll of white Democrats (http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/1179168,CST-NWS-mitch23.article)found that one-third of them harbor "negative views toward blacks," and suggests that a percentage of voters may turn away from Obama because of his race.

[left wing]

Race is a factor for some but it is not a big factor. The bigger factors as to why he may lose are his lack of experiance and inability to shed his far left history.
Both as a matter of voting record and associations.
America is not a left leaning country and Barak Obama is way left of center.
Those would be the big factors when matched up with his non-race issue.
He is biracial for crying out loud.
Slight diversion - if you hate a biracial man, which race do you really hate?
It is also a fact the it is a majority of white democrats that hold the racial envy.

The poll of white Democrats (http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/1179168,CST-NWS-mitch23.article)found that one-third of them harbor "negative views toward blacks," and suggests that a percentage of voters may turn away from Obama because of his race.



And did they poll white Republicans? I would not argue that there are racist Democrats but to imply that racism is more prevalent among democrats is ridiculous. It was Republicans who have fought equal rights legislation, not Democrats. The Dems proposed it.

And I think racism is far more prevalent than you think. I don't deny that some people have other reasons for not voting for Obama but all things considered, I think a lot of people will look no further than his race. They don't even THINK about the biracial issue. If you have any black blood, you are black, in this country.

And people ought to take a long, long look at McCain after his performance this past week. What a sad sight. He is all over the map. If McCain wins, it will prove what African Americans have always knows - for them to succeed they have to be twice as good, and even then....

[LHardy]

And did they poll white Republicans? I would not argue that there are racist Democrats but to imply that racism is more prevalent among democrats is ridiculous. It was Republicans who have fought equal rights legislation, not Democrats. The Dems proposed it.

Sure there were Republicans fighting civil rights but it was again, as it was in the civil war, the Democrats who held the higher percentage of racial bias. Revisionist history doesn't play well on the internet.

Georgia Democrat Richard Russell (http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/Civil_Rights_Filibuster_Ended.htm)offered the final arguments in opposition. Minority Leader Everett Dirksen, who had enlisted the Republican votes that made cloture a realistic option, spoke for the proponents with his customary eloquence. Noting that the day marked the 100th anniversary of Abraham Lincoln's nomination to a second term, the Illinois Republican proclaimed, in the words of Victor Hugo, "Stronger than all the armies is an idea whose time has come." He continued, "The time has come for equality of opportunity in sharing in government, in education, and in employment. It will not be stayed or denied. It is here!"

And I think racism is far more prevalent than you think. I don't deny that some people have other reasons for not voting for Obama but all things considered, I think a lot of people will look no further than his race. They don't even THINK about the biracial issue. If you have any black blood, you are black, in this country.
Are you a closet racist? Just asking based upon your believe that racism is prevalent.

And people ought to take a long, long look at McCain after his performance this past week. What a sad sight. He is all over the map. If McCain wins, it will prove what African Americans have always knows - for them to succeed they have to be twice as good, and even then....

The rest is just a pre-planned excuse for why Obama may not win. Also a disgusting way to use the black race as pawns in a political chess match.
Whipping up racial tones and damning America if it doesn't elect Obama.
That's just sad when a party has to stoop that low.

[raoul duke]

Race is always an issue in electoral politics. Always. Even for the white guys who mainly run the show.

[left wing]

The rest is just a pre-planned excuse for why Obama may not win. Also a disgusting way to use the black race as pawns in a political chess match.
Whipping up racial tones and damning America if it doesn't elect Obama.
That's just sad when a party has to stoop that low.


Wow, it is amazing what you can make of something so totally different from what I said.

First off, the Democratic party at the time of Lincoln was not at all what it is today. Neither is the Republican. And those southern Democrats you are referring to became Republicans after the Civil Rights movement. Kennedy and Johnson were the ones who promoted civil rights legislation.

Second, no, I am not a racist. I spent time in the south during the civil rights movement and learned a lot. I used to walk around in my white skin, thanking God I wasn't black and thinking how awful that was - that people who were black were such targets. I also hear people speak today and I an appalled at their attitudes and seeming lack of understanding of the issue and what constitutes "racism."

Third, racism is not an "excuse." It is a fact. This issue has been the elephant in the room all through this campaign. The press is finally beginning to acknowledge it. Obama has tried VERY hard to avoid any mention of race. He wants to win this on his own. And I fervently hope he does. But I never discount racism in this country. Nor the stupidity associated with it. As I have said before, we ARE the country that elected Bush - twice. And, no I am not referring to racism there. Just stupidity.

[Sock Puppet]

What do Haiti, Rhodesia, and South Africa Have in common?

They were all great places for whites live, then turned to third world piles of crap where whites were murdered in masses after white rule was eliminated.

Are there any examples of whites relinquishing their control and having it work out them?

[LHardy]

Wow, it is amazing what you can make of something so totally different from what I said.
No just corrected your wrong impression of the democrat party.

Kennedy and Johnson were the ones who promoted civil rights legislation.
Yes and it was the democrats by an overwhelming majority that fought against the civil rights act of 1964. Not Republicans.

Second, no, I am not a racist. I spent time in the south during the civil rights movement and learned a lot. I used to walk around in my white skin, thanking God I wasn't black and thinking how awful that was - that people who were black were such targets. I also hear people speak today and I an appalled at their attitudes and seeming lack of understanding of the issue and what constitutes "racism."

OK just had to ask given the fact you beleive so much racism exists. It does and by a majority it is white democrats.

Third, racism is not an "excuse." It is a fact. This issue has been the elephant in the room all through this campaign. The press is finally beginning to acknowledge it. Obama has tried VERY hard to avoid any mention of race.

That's a laugh. Obama himself injected race right from the start. He told us it would be the reason the Republicans would use as a stand against him. No repulbican has done anything of that sort. Just a mere inspection of his past or questioning his credentials one is submitted to a barrage of racist name tagging. So please show us were a republican has brought up race from the McCain campaign.

He wants to win this on his own. And I fervently hope he does. But I never discount racism in this country. Nor the stupidity associated with it. As I have said before, we ARE the country that elected Bush - twice. And, no I am not referring to racism there. Just stupidity.
It would be just as stupid to elect a guy who's experiance and connections are clearly far left wign. Those are facts and there is no getting around them. His recent move to the center to pull in those he left behind in the primaries is what every good politician would and should do.
voting him in for POTUS would be ignorant and stupid.
Change is a bumper sticker slogan not a plan of action.
For a man who wants to implement change he brings in an awful lot of former Clinton people. That's not change.

[left wing]

It would be just as stupid to elect a guy who's experiance and connections are clearly far left wign. Those are facts and there is no getting around them. His recent move to the center to pull in those he left behind in the primaries is what every good politician would and should do.
voting him in for POTUS would be ignorant and stupid.
Change is a bumper sticker slogan not a plan of action.
For a man who wants to implement change he brings in an awful lot of former Clinton people. That's not change.


You mean like McCain, who has a whole lot of Bush people helping him along and who voted 95% of the time with Bush? Now THAT is NOT change.

[LHardy]

You mean like McCain, who has a whole lot of Bush people helping him along and who voted 95% of the time with Bush? Now THAT is NOT change.

Listen I don't like McCain either but given the two choices that we have.
McCain is the only choice.
Not the best choice.
We don't have that option.

[left wing]

Listen I don't like McCain either but given the two choices that we have.
McCain is the only choice.
Not the best choice.
We don't have that option.


Obviously, we disagree. I feel Obama is a chance at change. Anything would be better than what we have now - and what we will have more of with McCain.

I am very, very concerned about what will happen to this country if McCain wins. The only thing I know for sure is, it will NOT be good.

[Mary3]

Obviously, we disagree. I feel Obama is a chance at change. Anything would be better than what we have now - and what we will have more of with McCain.

I am very, very concerned about what will happen to this country if McCain wins. The only thing I know for sure is, it will NOT be good.

I agree!

Is democrats completely happy with the choice? I'm not sure, but you weight the good with the bad and McCain has lot more bad than good on my list.

[FisherRd]

Third, racism is not an "excuse." It is a fact. This issue has been the elephant in the room all through this campaign. The press is finally beginning to acknowledge it. Obama has tried VERY hard to avoid any mention of race. He wants to win this on his own. And I fervently hope he does. But I never discount racism in this country. Nor the stupidity associated with it. As I have said before, we ARE the country that elected Bush - twice. And, no I am not referring to racism there. Just stupidity.

Of course it's an excuse. It will be this elections "diebold".
Obama tried very hard not to mention race except for the time he made up a story about how McCain was going to tell people that Barack wasn't like all the other Presidents, he was black...

If Obama were white he wouldn't even be the Dem nominee, Hillary would.

[left wing]

Of course it's an excuse. It will be this elections "diebold".
Obama tried very hard not to mention race except for the time he made up a story about how McCain was going to tell people that Barack wasn't like all the other Presidents, he was black...

If Obama were white he wouldn't even be the Dem nominee, Hillary would.


Gee, it sounds like YOU are playing the race card to YOUR benefit.

And I seem to remember 1 or 2 McCain ads that subtlely (or not so) HINTED that Obama was of a darker color...

And then there was that thing about Sarah referring to him as "Sambo."

[LHardy]

And I seem to remember 1 or 2 McCain ads that subtlely (or not so) HINTED that Obama was of a darker color...

And then there was that thing about Sarah referring to him as "Sambo."

BS! Prove it!
Provide a link and citation to your accusations.

Talk about out and out lying.
It is the only way Obama can win. Lie until they believe it.

[left wing]

BS! Prove it!
Provide a link and citation to your accusations.

Talk about out and out lying.
It is the only way Obama can win. Lie until they believe it.


You know, I get a bit tired of the nasty hostility some of you display. Not to mention the demand to "prove it" and provide citations. I am not under oath here but I never deliberately lie.

I do not have the citation. I have seen the ads in other states - not recently, earlier in the campaign. And as for sweet little Sarah, I read it several times but don't remember where. It was a quotation from one of her REPUBLICAN fans in Alaska. They are not all in her corner, you know. But given the slanderous stuff on about Obama that McCain has authorized, let's not get so fired up. I mean, that sleazy ad about how Obama advocated sex ed for kindergarteners - everybody saw through that one.

[LHardy]

You know, I get a bit tired of the nasty hostility some of you display. Not to mention the demand to "prove it" and provide citations. I am not under oath here but I never deliberately lie.

I do not have the citation. I have seen the ads in other states - not recently, earlier in the campaign. And as for sweet little Sarah, I read it several times but don't remember where. It was a quotation from one of her REPUBLICAN fans in Alaska. They are not all in her corner, you know. But given the slanderous stuff on about Obama that McCain has authorized, let's not get so fired up. I mean, that sleazy ad about how Obama advocated sex ed for kindergarteners - everybody saw through that one.

Sensitive aren't you? Their was no hostility in my posting. It was a suprise that anyone would actually put forth such garbage.
So get tired all you want, but when you blatently or inadvertantly lie you're going to be called on it. If you can not prove your accusation it is a lie. Just because you can't remember where you heard it and find a citation for it, means you didn't here it or read it at all. This is a Presidential election and if those cases were true you can bet all your money that it would be found instantly via the internet.

Obama did vote for sex ed in kindergarten. The truth really is hard for you to except isn't it?

What a joke! The left is attempting to slander Sarah Palin again with nameless faces and supposed journalists that live in Canada and subscribe to leftists agendas. The name you could not give as a citation is Charley James and here is the article (http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-“racist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean”/). More than a joke the left is disturbed.

[LHardy]

We don't know and it would seem he doesn't either.

Article (http://hennessysview.com/2008/09/07/who-is-charley-james/) about James and a response from James.

That is how we need to start and unravel lies from truth.

You could have done that much.

[Save Us]

I can't wait for the all new taxes, and an increase in the present taxes if Obama takes office..:D :D

Tax me more I just can't get enough.

[left wing]

Sensitive aren't you? Their was no hostility in my posting. It was a suprise that anyone would actually put forth such garbage.
So get tired all you want, but when you blatently or inadvertantly lie you're going to be called on it. If you can not prove your accusation it is a lie. Just because you can't remember where you heard it and find a citation for it, means you didn't here it or read it at all. This is a Presidential election and if those cases were true you can bet all your money that it would be found instantly via the internet.

Obama did vote for sex ed in kindergarten. The truth really is hard for you to except isn't it?

What a joke! The left is attempting to slander Sarah Palin again with nameless faces and supposed journalists that live in Canada and subscribe to leftists agendas. The name you could not give as a citation is Charley James and here is the article (http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-“racist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean”/). More than a joke the left is disturbed.


Wow, what planet are you from if you don't think calling me a liar is hostile. Oh, silly me, you are a conservative!

Just because I don't remember where I heard it does NOT make me a liar. I would not call you a liar if you did not have a photographic memory for EVERYTHING you might have heard during this election.

It is absolutely NOT true that Obama was suggesting sex ed. for 5 year olds. The provision was for children to be made aware of improper behavior by strangers. Sure is easy to spot the heavy hand of Karl Rove in all this.

You know, starting out, I was not entirely opposed to McCain,. I thought he was an honest man, ethical, and someone who really did want change. He proved me wrong on all counts. I have no use for him whatsoever anymore. He is just more of the same. And, while there are many examples of this, nothing is more telling that the insidious and odious influence of Karl Rove in his campaign.

[Surfing USA]

not acceptable at all,imho...but consider the source..Consider the source? :confused:

This comment coming from you, of all people, is nothing less than amusing. :rolleyes:

PS: Perhaps you should tell "daddy" (res) on me because you don't like my avatar, NANCY.

[Surfing USA]

2121 oh c'mon, that's funny:o not racist

you only go around once in life, a sense of humor is good for the soul
Spike Lee knows what I'm talking about; he had his before anyone else

http://tcritic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/obama_is_the_new_black.jpgThank you, Buffy. :)

It's refreshing to see that some people have a sense of humor. ;) :)

[Dougles]

[QUOTE=buffy]2121 oh c'mon, that's funny:o not racist

you only go around once in life, a sense of humor is good for the soul
Spike Lee knows what I'm talking about; he had his before anyone else

http://tcritic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/obama_is_the_new_black.jpg[/QUOTE

Buffy this is funny! Has anyone else seen the Obama Waffles?

Why does the left always assume that people aren't voting for Obama because of his race and assume your a racist?
Are they that full of themselves and can't see through the messiah like the over 50% of this country?

And why isn't the left making a stink about all the black who are voting for Obama because he's black? Oh that's right because it helps them!

[FisherRd]

Gee, it sounds like YOU are playing the race card to YOUR benefit.

And I seem to remember 1 or 2 McCain ads that subtlely (or not so) HINTED that Obama was of a darker color...

And then there was that thing about Sarah referring to him as "Sambo."


How am I playing the race card by bringing up a provable fact? David Axelrod (the guy that actually runs the campaign) admitted Obama was refering in part to being black. McCain never said any such thing. Obama clearly made it up.

You have a bad memory, and you're intellectually lazy if you are going to claim something like that without proof. Those one or two ads would easily be available on google.

I'm doubting the Palin/Sambo thing as well.

Nice try.

[left wing]

How am I playing the race card by bringing up a provable fact? David Axelrod (the guy that actually runs the campaign) admitted Obama was refering in part to being black. McCain never said any such thing. Obama clearly made it up.

You have a bad memory, and you're intellectually lazy if you are going to claim something like that without proof. Those one or two ads would easily be available on google.

I'm doubting the Palin/Sambo thing as well.

Nice try.


The Palin/Sambo thing was wrong - and I am hereby admitting it. I did not know this at the time I wrote it. However, the part about the ads is accurate. Obama has showed remarkable restraint in not playing the race card. That doersn't mean he cannot bring it up when it is obviously waved in his face.

I am not lazy - I just am not very computer literate. Maybe I am just TOO OLD.

[left wing]

[QUOTE=buffy]2121 oh c'mon, that's funny:o not racist

you only go around once in life, a sense of humor is good for the soul
Spike Lee knows what I'm talking about; he had his before anyone else

http://tcritic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/obama_is_the_new_black.jpg[/QUOTE

Buffy this is funny! Has anyone else seen the Obama Waffles?

Why does the left always assume that people aren't voting for Obama because of his race and assume your a racist?
Are they that full of themselves and can't see through the messiah like the over 50% of this country?

And why isn't the left making a stink about all the black who are voting for Obama because he's black? Oh that's right because it helps them!


I don't think that everyone who votes against Obama is a racist, by any means. If you really feel that more of the same is the way to go, vote for McCain! I do understand that there are philosophical reasons why someone would not vote for Obama, which have nothing to do with race. Actually, when I say Obama may lose due to race, I am generally referring to Democrats who have always voted for a Dem and would continuie to do so, except that this candidate is black. YES! I believe racism exists in the Dem party. My own cousin has told me she won't vote for Obama because he is black, I am ashamed to admit. I also think it will affect some swing voters.

As for blacks voting for Obama, come on, when have they ever voted Republican in major numbers? And who can blame now. But I am willing to bet if the black candidate were a Republican, you would not see the same effect. And not ALL blacks support Obama. The republicans have every conservative strategist of color out there on the airways. Plus, where the hell is Colin Powell?

[Dougles]

Typically over 75% of blacks do vote DEM, mostly becuase fo the programs they provide and the fact they picture the Repub party as the party off the KKK (even thought the only former member of the KKK in the senate is a leading DEM).
My point is more that they will vote for Obama ONLY because he is black.

Peronsally i will most likely be voting for McCain out of fear. Fear that with Obama in office, a majority DEM senate and House I fear what this country will become. We will not have a system of checks and balance. It will be a system of Tax and give un-aacounted for to the poor.
I don't doubt Obama has some new and creative ideas, but they are pointless when we can't even face our countries huge underlaying problems.
Health Care, with canada being what 15 miles from my house we know what a failure solialistic health care is.
Immigration/Iraq: For those who complain about the 120 billion we spend between Iraq and afghan, we spend MORE THAN FOUR TIMES that on illegals. Addtionally letting e-verfity laps is absolutly EMBARASSING!

McCain's ideas maybe old but they are simple and in the cases that have already been implimented (ie Nucluer Power) have already worked and are cheaper(which is needed now more than ever).
Obama has great ideas, but they are complicated and not proven and most importantly now will cost US to much money!

But we live in NY and my vote honeslty doesn't count! What a shame!

[FisherRd]

I am not lazy - I just am not very computer literate. Maybe I am just TOO OLD.


Don't sweat it, I'm bad with the technology as well.
In regards to the race card being played...It is my opinion that Obama played it with his "They're (McCain camp) going to tell you I'm different. That I don't look like the other presidents...". The reason being "they" never said any such thing. Obama was talking about being black when he said "I don't look like the others". Axelrod admitted it. If McCain never said it, or even alluded to it, why would Obama bring it up if he weren't playing the race card?

[FisherRd]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/florida-congres.html

Is it too much to ask for this guy to drop the ebonics?

[Surfing USA]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/florida-congres.html

Is it too much to ask for this guy to drop the ebonics?When contacted by ABC News on Thursday afternoon, the Obama campaign had no response to the Florida GOP. Of course not. They didn't have a teleprompter available to tell them what to say. :rolleyes: :D

[left wing]

Typically over 75% of blacks do vote DEM, mostly becuase fo the programs they provide and the fact they picture the Repub party as the party off the KKK (even thought the only former member of the KKK in the senate is a leading DEM).
My point is more that they will vote for Obama ONLY because he is black.

Peronsally i will most likely be voting for McCain out of fear. Fear that with Obama in office, a majority DEM senate and House I fear what this country will become. We will not have a system of checks and balance. It will be a system of Tax and give un-aacounted for to the poor.
I don't doubt Obama has some new and creative ideas, but they are pointless when we can't even face our countries huge underlaying problems.
Health Care, with canada being what 15 miles from my house we know what a failure solialistic health care is.
Immigration/Iraq: For those who complain about the 120 billion we spend between Iraq and afghan, we spend MORE THAN FOUR TIMES that on illegals. Addtionally letting e-verfity laps is absolutly EMBARASSING!

McCain's ideas maybe old but they are simple and in the cases that have already been implimented (ie Nucluer Power) have already worked and are cheaper(which is needed now more than ever).
Obama has great ideas, but they are complicated and not proven and most importantly now will cost US to much money!

But we live in NY and my vote honeslty doesn't count! What a shame!


After the last week of the McCain campaign, I don't understand how anyone can vote for him. It is sad to watch, He has been all over the map and LIED. Letterman may not have been very important but why did the man have to lie? He got caught and now looks ridiculous, having his face powdered for an interview with Katie Couric when he told Letterman he was rushing back to DC. And about that - things sure went south when he got there. I am not saying things were great but they did seem to be getting somewhere. Another lie - saying he was suspending his campaign (AND forgoing ads) when the anti-Obama ads continued in all the swing states and his campaign offices remained open - in fact, the staffers didn't even know about it. Then, not wanting to do the debate tomorrow night. McCain bears a lot of responsibility for this mess - he fought every attempt at regulation, which might have prevented it.

Then there is Sarah - but why go on. The campaign is a disaster. A lot of conservative columnists know it and I am sure a lot of the brighter Republican politicians know it.

I almost feel sorry for McCain. He is a tired old man and looks it. And he hasn't even started being president, which is 24/7 - 365 days a year. There is no way he will be able to do this - and then we will have Sarah, the Limited.

Sorry, but after the past few days, I feel like I am living in the twilight zone when people are still serious about votingfor this ticket. It is very, very frightening.

[Dougles]

I think you switched topics there a little leftwing.

Don't you think people feel the same about Obama?

I guarentee 70% of the people voting are voting for there "guy" because they can't stand the other guy. Due to the "importance" of the media over the last 30 years we have lost all concept of "grey". The media REFUSES to interview or promote any type of third party canadate. We have been forced to litterally choose black or white, right or wrong, left or right. We no longer have a grey area!
We have lost all sence of compromise. Parties no longer have the option to stray from there platform at all. If you a Democrat, you have to be pro choice, you have to be pro "social programs", you have to be big government, you have to be pro equality. On the Repub side, you have to be pro life, you have to be small government, you have to be anti-socialistic.

We have very little room to be pro choice, but be anti affirmitive action, or pro welfare and be pro capitalism.

Both of these guys started off preaching to be moderates but as we've seen teh last few weeks all they do is pander to there base. Obama speaks of spending more on programs we DON'T need and McCain wants to have tax cut's when we should use ALL surpluses to pay down our debt and grow the value of the dollar.

Neither of these guys offer a better america, but due to the media's horrable bias there all we've got. Sad isn't it!

[Surfing USA]

I think you switched topics there a little leftwing.

Don't you think people feel the same about Obama?

I guarentee 70% of the people voting are voting for there "guy" because they can't stand the other guy. Due to the "importance" of the media over the last 30 years we have lost all concept of "grey". The media REFUSES to interview or promote any type of third party canadate. We have been forced to litterally choose black or white, right or wrong, left or right. We no longer have a grey area!
We have lost all sence of compromise. Parties no longer have the option to stray from there platform at all. If you a Democrat, you have to be pro choice, you have to be pro "social programs", you have to be big government, you have to be pro equality. On the Repub side, you have to be pro life, you have to be small government, you have to be anti-socialistic.

We have very little room to be pro choice, but be anti affirmitive action, or pro welfare and be pro capitalism.

Both of these guys started off preaching to be moderates but as we've seen teh last few weeks all they do is pander to there base. Obama speaks of spending more on programs we DON'T need and McCain wants to have tax cut's when we should use ALL surpluses to pay down our debt and grow the value of the dollar.

Neither of these guys offer a better america, but due to the media's horrable bias there all we've got. Sad isn't it!
Good post! :)

And YES, it is sad. :(

[steven]

Don't you think people feel the same about Obama?

I guarentee 70% of the people voting are voting for there "guy" because they can't stand the other guy.

You can say that again.

If theres no other evidence then just look at this section. Millions of negative threads started. Not many (if any) positive threads started about either candidate. Just smear, attack, name calling, and little substance.

Compare this section to the Ron Paul section that is full of posts about what their candidate is actually saying and proposing.

Those people at least seem to be motivated by more than dislike for the other guy.

[Dougles]

You can say that again.

If theres no other evidence then just look at this section. Millions of negative threads started. Not many (if any) positive threads started about either candidate. Just smear, attack, name calling, and little substance.

Compare this section to the Ron Paul section that is full of posts about what their candidate is actually saying and proposing.

Those people at least seem to be motivated by more than dislike for the other guy.

I don't blame canadite for going negative, it's a reflection on our sociaty and our media and the scoundels that run the parties.