Three Kinds Of People

[Bringthetruth]

The natural man/woman 1 corinth 2:14 identifies the unregenerated or fleshly person, one governed by mere natural instincts 2 pet 2:12.

This kind of person does not have the Holy Spirit of Godrom 8:9, is underthe dominion of satan acts 26:18 and is enslaved to the body and it's passions eph 2:3. He /She belongs to the world, is in sympathy with it( james4-4), and rejects the righetous ways of the Spirit 1 corinth2-14.

THE NATURAL PERSON IS NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND GOD AND HIS WAYS, BUT INSTEAD RELIES ON HUMAN REASONING OR EMOTIONS.
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#2 The spiritual man/woman 1 corinth2:15; 3-1 identifies the regenerated person-one who has the Holy Spirit. This person is spirtually minded thinks the thoughts of God(1 corinth 2:11-13) , and lives by the Spirit of God (rom 8:4-17; gal 5 :16-26. Such an individual believes in Jesus Christ, endeavors to follow the leading of the indwelling Spirit, and resist sensual desires and the dominion of sin( rom8:13-14).
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#3 The condition of the carnal christians. Although carnality and rebellion were not the rule in their lives, nor had they entered into serious immorality and unrightousness that would seperate them from the kingdom of God (1corin 6:9-11- gal 5:19-21- eph 5-5, carnal christians were behaving in such a way that they were no longer GROWING in the grace and were acting as if they were new converts who did not yet understand the full implication of salvation in Christ.(1 corinth 3;1-2).

Their carnality expressed in envying , and strife. Carnal christians were led astray from sincere and pure devotion to Christ and being more CONFORMED to the world (2 corinth 6:14-18).

The carnal christian must realize that they are in danger of depating from the faith ( 1 cor 6:6-10 2 cor 11:3 gal 6:7-9(rom 6:14-16). They must take warnings from the tragic example of the children of Israel whom God destroyed because of their practicing sin. They must understand that it is impossible to partake of the things of the Lord and the things of satan at the same time.( matt6:24; 1 cor 10:21)
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1 CORINTH 2:14-15 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discened. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
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How does one become spiritual man/woman ? When a person accepts by faith the salvation provided through Christ, he is regenerated; the HolySpirit imarts to him or her a new nature by an infusion of divine life (2 pet1:4). He is vornagain(john 3-3 5, 7) renewed rom 12-2, made a new creation (2 corin 5;17) and recieves God's rightousness through faith in Christ ( phillipian 3 :9)

[justKel]

There's a time for love and a time for healing
can't go back and undo what's been done
The word about time is revealing
just how far we've left this kingdom come

Hey hey we're finding our way
and today is just tommorrow's yesterday
some will die for you, some will lie to you
there's all kinds of people in this world
Turn the world around, tear the borders down
there's all kinds of people in this world...yeahhh

Kiss of life and the hand of fate
boy grow's up into his father's son
and he loves to love, been taught to hate
to carry on the way it had been done

All that lasts is destiny and
maybe someday we can put the cast away
some will die for you, some will lie to you
there's all kinds of people in this world
Turn the world around, tear the borders down
there's all kinds of people in this world...yeah
some will die for you, some will lie to you
there's all kinds of people in this world
Put your fear away, find a better way
there's all kinds of people in this world...yeahhh

Underneath a broken sky
love can heal when it's sad
in a moment, things can change
one look behind and it's never the same

some will die for you, some will lie to you
there's all kinds of people in this world yeah
Turn the world around, tear the borders down
there's all kinds of people in this world
some will die for you, some will lie to you
there's all kinds of people in this world
Put your fear away, find a better way
there's all kinds of people in this world...yeahhh

Underneath a broken sky...
in a moment, things can change....never the same

[Bringthetruth]

The carnality was expressed in evying and strife, they were indifferent to and tolerant of immorality within the church. They dont take the word of God with the utmost seriousness.

[Bringthetruth]

Which one are you ?

[Bringthetruth]

This thread explains why some of you can't know or understand things of God from just studying. You must recieve God's Spirit to have him reveal the deeper things of God to you.

Jesus said Marvel not , You Must be bornagain

[Bringthetruth]

The natural man/woman 1 corinth 2:14 identifies the unregenerated or fleshly person, one governed by mere natural instincts 2 pet 2:12.

This kind of person does not have the Holy Spirit of Godrom 8:9, is underthe dominion of satan acts 26:18 and is enslaved to the body and it's passions eph 2:3. He /She belongs to the world, is in sympathy with it( james4-4), and rejects the righetous ways of the Spirit 1 corinth2-14.

THE NATURAL PERSON IS NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND GOD AND HIS WAYS, BUT INSTEAD RELIES ON HUMAN REASONING OR EMOTIONS.
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#2 The spiritual man/woman 1 corinth2:15; 3-1 identifies the regenerated person-one who has the Holy Spirit. This person is spirtually minded thinks the thoughts of God(1 corinth 2:11-13) , and lives by the Spirit of God (rom 8:4-17; gal 5 :16-26. Such an individual believes in Jesus Christ, endeavors to follow the leading of the indwelling Spirit, and resist sensual desires and the dominion of sin( rom8:13-14).
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#3 The condition of the carnal christians. Although carnality and rebellion were not the rule in their lives, nor had they entered into serious immorality and unrightousness that would seperate them from the kingdom of God (1corin 6:9-11- gal 5:19-21- eph 5-5, carnal christians were behaving in such a way that they were no longer GROWING in the grace and were acting as if they were new converts who did not yet understand the full implication of salvation in Christ.(1 corinth 3;1-2).

Their carnality expressed in envying , and strife. Carnal christians were led astray from sincere and pure devotion to Christ and being more CONFORMED to the world (2 corinth 6:14-18).

The carnal christian must realize that they are in danger of depating from the faith ( 1 cor 6:6-10 2 cor 11:3 gal 6:7-9(rom 6:14-16). They must take warnings from the tragic example of the children of Israel whom God destroyed because of their practicing sin. They must understand that it is impossible to partake of the things of the Lord and the things of satan at the same time.( matt6:24; 1 cor 10:21)
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1 CORINTH 2:14-15 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discened. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
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How does one become spiritual man/woman ? When a person accepts by faith the salvation provided through Christ, he is regenerated; the HolySpirit imarts to him or her a new nature by an infusion of divine life (2 pet1:4). He is vornagain(john 3-3 5, 7) renewed rom 12-2, made a new creation (2 corin 5;17) and recieves God's rightousness through faith in Christ ( phillipian 3 :9)

This thread was to help steven, dumbfounded, and surfing and others who didn't understand the difference.

[steven]

The difference in what?

I wasnt aware there was something I needed info on.

BTW saw your post in the Palin section. Arent you supposed to be with the pro life bunch not the pro choise bunch?

[justKel]

The difference in what?

I wasnt aware there was something I needed info on.


LOL, that's because this thread was really just a troll...

[Bringthetruth]

The difference in what?

I wasnt aware there was something I needed info on.

BTW saw your post in the Palin section. Arent you supposed to be with the pro life bunch not the pro choise bunch?

The opening post is explains itself on knowing the difference; three kinds of people, so why ask?

I will never go by the terminology pro-life or Pro choice in the defenition
that's described by the majority christians.

I know God dissaproves of abortion and I do to, but the law (roe vs wade)and abortions were made legal and people are going to continue to have them(because they are legal), so I have to allow people to choose on their own even though I dissaprove.

[steven]

The opening post is explains itself on knowing the difference; three kinds of people, so why ask?

I will never go by the terminology pro-life or Pro choice in the defenition
that's described by the majority christians.

I know God dissaproves of abortion and I do to, but the law (roe vs wade)and abortions were made legal and people are going to continue to have them(because they are legal), so I have to allow people to choose on their own even though I dissaprove.

Under that reasoning you should have no problem with gays. Its legal to be gay after all :D

[Bringthetruth]

Under that reasoning you should have no problem with gays. Its legal to be gay after all :D

What do I have against gays ?

[steven]

Just pulling your chain man :p

[yokes]

What do I have against gays ?

not sure can only go off your previous posts ;)
http://www.speakupwny.com/forums/showpost.php?p=346302&postcount=34

[Bringthetruth]

Yokes are you trying to start another thread ???

What I said does not go against my stand on people choosing their sexual preferences.

God has the last say yokes, not me. That's why I read what he has to say.

[justKel]

Yokes are you trying to start another thread ???

What I said does not go against my stand on people choosing their sexual preferences.

God has the last say yokes, not me. That's why I read what he has to say.

Nice dodge ;)

[yokes]

Yokes are you trying to start another thread ???

What I said does not go against my stand on people choosing their sexual preferences.

God has the last say yokes, not me. That's why I read what he has to say.

not at all. You said "what do I have against gays?"

I said I'm not sure can only go by what you posted to gather an opinion.

dont get so riled up. you did post what I referenced. Seemed like a good answer to your question. I thought maube your forgot.

just trying to help.

[justKel]

not at all. You said "what do I have against gays?"

I said I'm not sure can only go by what you posted to gather an opinion.

dont get so riled up. you did post what I referenced. Seemed like a good answer to your question. I thought maube your forgot.

just trying to help.

Doncha love how he steers the thread in a different direction and then blames someone else for it? :D

[Pete Moss]

This thread explains why some of you can't know or understand things of God from just studying. You must recieve God's Spirit to have him reveal the deeper things of God to you.

Jesus said Marvel not , You Must be bornagain


Jesus clearly stated that He sent His Church to teach all people and make disciples of all people; Jesus never said anything about you and your opinions of a bible.

Obviously if you do not believe whatever Jesus said, then it is you who does not understand the Scriptures; the people of God believe everything Jesus said.

Matt28:16-20
And the eleven disciples went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
And seeing him they adored: but some doubted.
And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth.
Going therefore, teach ye all nations: baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. And behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.


Jesus also explained that false preachers will come and lead many people away from God

Mt:24:11:
And many false prophets shall rise and shall seduce many.

2Pt:2:1:
But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there shall be among you lying teachers who shall bring in sects of perdition and deny the Lord who bought them: bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

Not everybody who claims to be Christian belongs to God

[Bannister]

Jesus clearly stated that He sent His Church to teach all people and make disciples of all people; Jesus never said anything about you and your opinions of a bible.


There are many biblical scholars that believe the "church" is the body of believers not just Catholics.

[Pete Moss]

There are many biblical scholars that believe the "church" is the body of believers not just Catholics.

The Bible clearly reveals to us that the "body of believers" are the people who believe the church Jesus started/builds.

This is why we say the Church of Christ 'subsists' within the Catholic Church, because not all Catholics are believers, but all believers are Catholic

[justKel]

The Bible clearly reveals to us that the "body of believers" are the people who believe the church Jesus started/builds.

This is why we say the Church of Christ 'subsists' within the Catholic Church, because not all Catholics are believers, but all believers are Catholic

'Zat mean I'm going to hell?

[Pete Moss]

'Zat mean I'm going to hell?

Hell is a personal choice. Those who are pro-choice BTW are in for a surprise on Judgment Day

1Cor:6:9:
9 ¶ Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: Neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers:
1Cor:6:10:
10 Nor the effeminate nor liers with mankind nor thieves nor covetous nor drunkards nor railers nor extortioners shall possess the kingdom of God.

[justKel]

Hell is a personal choice. Those who are pro-choice BTW are in for a surprise on Judgment Day

OK... So it's a personal choice but I'm in for a surprise if I choose?

[Pete Moss]

OK... So it's a personal choice but I'm in for a surprise if I choose?

The Good News is for those who hear what Jesus said and do it....the bad news is for those who don't.

God graciously allows you to choose to be saved by Jesus or live according to your flesh.

Mt:7:24:
24 Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock,

Mt:7:26:
26 And every one that heareth these my words and doth them not, shall be like a foolish man that built his house upon the sand,

[justKel]

The Good News is for those who hear what Jesus said and do it....the bad news is for those who don't.

God graciously allows you to choose to be saved by Jesus or live according to your flesh.

Mt:7:24:
24 Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock,

Mt:7:26:
26 And every one that heareth these my words and doth them not, shall be like a foolish man that built his house upon the sand,

You didn't answer my question. :D

[Sylvan]

The Good News is for those who hear what Jesus said and do it....the bad news is for those who don't.

God graciously allows you to choose to be saved...

You have absolutely NO proof whatsoever that your assumptions are even close to being true. "Faith" is simply, "the abosolute belief in something that can NOT be proven". So "faith" is just the ability to lie oneself. When an individual is content in lying to themselves it cascades into the mental disorder of lying to others. And that cascades into the dysfunction of a population whose members all lie to each other.

Anyone teaching this faithful religious crap to children should be imediately euthanized to prevent this cancerous disease from speading any farther. Its screwed up the world for long enough. And enough is enough! :mad:

[Pete Moss]

You have absolutely NO proof whatsoever that your assumptions are even close to being true. "Faith" is simply, "the abosolute belief in something that can NOT be proven". So "faith" is just the ability to lie oneself. When an individual is content in lying to themselves it cascades into the mental disorder of lying to others. And that cascades into the dysfunction of a population whose members all lie to each other.

Anyone teaching this faithful religious crap to children should be imediately euthanized to prevent this cancerous disease from speading any farther. Its screwed up the world for long enough. And enough is enough! :mad:


You're simply mistaken.

Faith in Jesus means we believe everything that He said, including the Church He sent.

There are only two positions one can take...they can put their faith in Jesus and the Church He started, or they can put their faith in Luther or Olsteen and the beliefs and gods they made up.

[Sylvan]

You're simply mistaken.

Faith in Jesus means we believe everything that He said, including the Church He sent.

There are only two positions one can take...they can put their faith in Jesus and the Church He started, or they can put their faith in Luther or Olsteen and the beliefs and gods they made up.

Nothing was ever said or sent because he never existed. And there has never been any proof that he ever did. The NT is just a copy of the authoritarian religions from years before. Nothing unique about christianity at all, except its the most enslaving type of totalitarianism.

[mesue]

Hell is a personal choice. Those who are pro-choice BTW are in for a surprise on Judgment Day

...
I'm Pro Choice, I choose life. Where am I going when I die?

[justKel]

I'm Pro Choice, I choose life. Where am I going when I die?

Don't expect a reasonable answer, mesue. He's a troll.

[Bannister]

There are only two positions one can take...they can put their faith in Jesus and the Church He started, or they can put their faith in Luther or Olsteen and the beliefs and gods they made up.

You left off "they can put their faith in Jesus." Period.

[mesue]

Don't expect a reasonable answer, mesue. He's a troll.
I'm beginning to see that.

[mesue]

You left off "they can put their faith in Jesus." Period.
Amen.

[Pete Moss]

You left off "they can put their faith in Jesus." Period.


Perhaps you shoud read my post more attentively, I said...
There are only two positions one can take...they can put their faith in Jesus and the Church He started, or they can put their faith in Luther or Olsteen and the beliefs and gods they made up.

You seem to be saying to put their faith in Jesus but don't believe anything Jesus said.

[Sylvan]

Perhaps you shoud read my post more attentively, I said...
There are only two positions one can take...they can put their faith in Jesus and the Church He started, or they can put their faith in Luther or Olsteen and the beliefs and gods they made up.

You seem to be saying to put their faith in Jesus but don't believe anything Jesus said.

He never existed. He didnt say anything. You have no proof because there has never been any proof. Stop living in Flat Earth.

[Bannister]

Perhaps you shoud read my post more attentively, I said...
There are only two positions one can take...they can put their faith in Jesus and the Church He started, or they can put their faith in Luther or Olsteen and the beliefs and gods they made up.

You seem to be saying to put their faith in Jesus but don't believe anything Jesus said.

I'm saying the church you attend doesn't save you. Jesus does.

"For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten Son that whosover believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life" John 3:16

Nothing about believing in him AND the church.

[Pete Moss]

I'm saying the church you attend doesn't save you. Jesus does.

"For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten Son that whosover believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life" John 3:16

Nothing about believing in him AND the church.

The Bible reads that Jesus sent His Church to teach us, it doesn't read that Jesus sent you and your opinions of a Bible.

On Pentecost Jesus' Church was commissioned by God to teach the world; if we want to know how we're saved, we look to the Church for the answer; the very same way the bible christian received their teaching, from the Church.

[Sylvan]

The bible is a fraud. The bible was written by human beings for the purpose of enslaving other human being. Stop the lies.

[Bannister]

The Bible reads that Jesus sent His Church to teach us, it doesn't read that Jesus sent you and your opinions of a Bible.

On Pentecost Jesus' Church was commissioned by God to teach the world; if we want to know how we're saved, we look to the Church for the answer; the very same way the bible christian received their teaching, from the Church.

Therein lies our fundamental difference.

I believe that one can pick up the Bible and come to God himself without any intervention from anyone else. The Bible tells us plainly what we must do to be saved.

[Pete Moss]

Therein lies our fundamental difference.

I believe that one can pick up the Bible and come to God himself without any intervention from anyone else.

If you believed the Bible, then you would believe the Church the Bible reads Jesus sent to teach you.

Our fundamental difference is that you simply do not believe what the Bible reads, I do as do all real Christians. We're called believers cause we believe what Jesus said in the Bible :D

[Bannister]

If you believed the Bible, then you would believe the Church the Bible reads Jesus sent to teach you.

Our fundamental difference is that you simply do not believe what the Bible reads, I do.

What is your opinion of John 3:16?

[Pete Moss]

What is your opinion of John 3:16?

Seems to me that believing in Jesus means believing whatever Jesus said. Are you suggesting you believe in Jesus but not whatever He said?

[justKel]

Seems to me that believing in Jesus means believing whatever Jesus said. Are you suggesting you believe in Jesus but not whatever He said?

So do tell us, oh Wise One, just what did Jesus say?

[Bannister]

Seems to me that believing in Jesus means believing whatever Jesus said. Are you suggesting you believe in Jesus but not whatever He said?

I think I could say the same thing about you. :)

I'm interested in your opinion of John 3:16.

[Pete Moss]

So do tell us, oh Wise One, just what did Jesus say?


Jesus' Church teaches us that God (Jesus) is the Author of Scripture.

Catholic Catechism Para. 105 God is the author of Sacred Scripture. "The divinely revealed realities, which are contained and presented in the text of Sacred Scripture, have been written down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit."

To be sure we are reading the correct inspired text we have to go to the Bible that Jesus' Church wrote the in the first century, and canonized it in the 5th century after holding (3) councils at Hippo and Carthage.

Once we have the true Bible to read, everything in that Bible is what Jesus said

[justKel]

Jesus' Church teaches us that God (Jesus) is the Author of Scripture.

Catholic Catechism Para. 105 God is the author of Sacred Scripture. "The divinely revealed realities, which are contained and presented in the text of Sacred Scripture, have been written down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit."

To be sure we are reading the correct inspired text we have to go to the Bible that Jesus' Church wrote the in the first century, and canonized it in the 5th century after holding (3) councils at Hippo and Carthage.

Once we have the true Bible to read, everything in that Bible is what Jesus said

Jesus wrote the entire Bible and they're all his words?

[Pete Moss]

Jesus is the "Author" and if you read the Scriptures, there is great emphasis on the importance of the Scriptures being fulfilled.

Jn:13:18:
18 ¶ I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen. But that the scripture may be fulfilled: He that eateth bread with me shall lift up his heel against me,

Jesus did also instruct us "Mt:24:35:
35 Heaven and earth shall pass: but my words shall not pass."

[justKel]

Jesus is the "Author" and if you read the Scriptures, there is great emphasis on the importance of the Scriptures being fulfilled.

Jn:13:18:
18 ¶ I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen. But that the scripture may be fulfilled: He that eateth bread with me shall lift up his heel against me,

Jesus did also instruct us "Mt:24:35:
35 Heaven and earth shall pass: but my words shall not pass."

Jesus apparently likes to contradict himself.

[Pete Moss]

Jesus apparently likes to contradict himself.

Eph:4:18:
18 Having their understanding darkened: being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their hearts.

[justKel]

Eph:4:18:
18 Having their understanding darkened: being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their hearts.

To the contrary, a long time ago I took the blinders off and read the entire Bible, not just the cute fluffy bunny parts everyone likes to talk about. I am closer to God and Goddess now than I ever was before that point.