Women and Relationships

[Sylvan]

So whats wrong with women these days?

Single women:
Seems like the better you treat them and the more sensitive to their feelings, understanding, and patient you are, the more they walk all over you. And their so self-absorbed anything that comes along that may be slightly different than the routine they created only for themselves overwhelms them.

Married women:
Seems like married women are always complaining their husbands dont do enough, or arent capable while they just sit on their butt and flirt with men they find attractive.

Is this healthy? Are women just basically mentally ill?

Where are men supposed to go to find healthy women?

[justKel]

I think the role of women in society has changed a lot over the last few decades and men are still adjusting. It wasn't that long ago that women were walked all over and controlled by men. That's changed, and men are still getting used to it.

I used to think the same way about men that you think about women. Now I realize that there are plenty of decent guys out there, but my understanding of them is very limited.

[Mary3]

So whats wrong with women these days?

Single women:
Seems like the better you treat them and the more sensitive to their feelings, understanding, and patient you are, the more they walk all over you. And their so self-absorbed anything that comes along that may be slightly different than the routine they created only for themselves overwhelms them.

Married women:
Seems like married women are always complaining their husbands dont do enough, or arent capable while they just sit on their butt and flirt with men they find attractive.

Is this healthy? Are women just basically mentally ill?

Where are men supposed to go to find healthy women?

go to the olympics! :D

[mesue]

So whats wrong with women these days?

Single women:
Seems like the better you treat them and the more sensitive to their feelings, understanding, and patient you are, the more they walk all over you. And their so self-absorbed anything that comes along that may be slightly different than the routine they created only for themselves overwhelms them.

Married women:
Seems like married women are always complaining their husbands dont do enough, or arent capable while they just sit on their butt and flirt with men they find attractive.

Is this healthy? Are women just basically mentally ill?

Where are men supposed to go to find healthy women?
I dunno. While I like to sit around all day, I have to work. The days I am sitting I am in pain. So, it's more of a lying down than sitting.
I love my husband. I have for over 20 years. he started out being a good friend. Then he turned into a best friend. Then a lover.
I suppose I could complain about him, but I don't. Except maybe to him, he always hears what I have to say. He may not be listening, but I have never had a problem voicing my concerns. About 15 years ago I realized that he probably has more right to complain about me to others than I about him. Yet, he doesn't. He's always a gentleman when it comes to me. He deserves the same respect from me. He's a good man.
As to where the "healthy" women are? Again, I dunno. I don't mean to be snarky when I say that they are not where you are currently looking, or you wouldn't be asking.
FWIW, if a psycho-analysis were done on every single human being a diagnosis of some sort would result.

[Sylvan]

go to the olympics! :D

Good one! :)

But Im referring more to mental health.
A woman who can appreciate and work "with" a man who is worth more than his money.

[justKel]

As to where the "healthy" women are? Again, I dunno. I don't mean to be snarky when I say that they are not where you are currently looking, or you wouldn't be asking.

LMAO! I was thinking that and didn't say it. Good one.

FWIW, if a psycho-analysis were done on every single human being a diagnosis of some sort would result.

Though most people would never admit it, they just like to try to point out what they perceive to be everyone else's oddities to make themselves feel better.

[Sylvan]

I think the role of women in society has changed a lot over the last few decades and men are still adjusting. It wasn't that long ago that women were walked all over and controlled by men. That's changed, and men are still getting used to it.

I used to think the same way about men that you think about women. Now I realize that there are plenty of decent guys out there, but my understanding of them is very limited.

Im good at adjusting. When I meet a new woman I do adjust. I adjust because everyone is different and if I am going to persue a women they deserve the respect and attention they need to feel like the woman that they want to be.

The problem is women dont know how to resiprocate and adjust to a man who is willing to adjust to them. Its as if they have been programmed that a man is only a certain way and anything that seems to be to good to be true probably isnt. And they give up. (B***h who couldnt hold on).

What worse is the hypocracy. They say that they want a man who can adjust to them and also still be a man, but they dont know how to give the man something to do so the man can feel like a man. And if the man finds something and offers to do it, these women reject them and give the excuse, "if you do something for me I will feel guilty".

So, is the above quote the sign that the woman is really only going to feel guilty because they know that they have no intention of doing something for the man or also know they wont persue a future with that man?

[mesue]

...
Though most people would never admit it, they just like to try to point out what they perceive to be everyone else's oddities to make themselves feel better. Or just to say "you're just as messed up as I am so shut up!" :D Not you , personally, I was just saying ...
I know I have my faults, idiosyncrasies and dysfunctions. One of them is self centeredness. I just figure everyone is as messed up as I am so I fail to see a lot of problems in my own thinking.
Sylvan, I don't know how old you are, I think you are nearer to my age. I realize the older we get the less chance there is for finding that "perfect" someone. But, no one is perfect. Evaluate what you really want in a partner. Ask yourself what character flaws you are willing to put up with and which ones you aren't. I'm not suggesting that you lower your standards, just re-evaluate them.

[mesue]

Im good at adjusting. When I meet a new woman I do adjust. I adjust because everyone is different and if I am going to persue a women they deserve the respect and attention they need to feel like the woman that they want to be.
You're a rare find.

The problem is women dont know how to resiprocate and adjust to a man who is willing to adjust to them. Its as if they have been programmed that a man is only a certain way and anything that seems to be to good to be true probably isnt. And they give up. (B***h who couldnt hold on).
You're right, women have been programed to think this way. Look at how men are portrayed on TV. As ignorant buffoons that can do nothing without the guidance of a smart, "bring home the bacon and fry it up in a pan" woman. Women have been told that they do not need a man to bring them happiness and fulfillment. While this may be true to a certain extent, many women take it to mean that they don't need men, period. I can only speak myself when I say that I need my man, my partner, my husband in my life.
My mother asked me what was wrong with my husband when I first brought him home. She said he was "too nice" My husband is a nice man. He's a gentleman with women and a man's man with men. He's also a rare find.
What worse is the hypocracy. They say that they want a man who can adjust to them and also still be a man, but they dont know how to give the man something to do so the man can feel like a man. And if the man finds something and offers to do it, these women reject them and give the excuse, "if you do something for me I will feel guilty".
Or feel like they have to pay you sexually. Yeah, I said it. A lot of men expect sex as payment for something done or a dinner date. I'm not saying you do, but it is the mindset of many men. Sex is a great thing but should never be rendered as payment. Women have and want sex as a way of communicating love not commerce.

So, is the above quote the sign that the woman is really only going to feel guilty because they know that they have no intention of doing something for the man or also know they wont persue a future with that man?
I suppose it depends on what that "something" is and the motivation for your wanting that "something"

[Surfing USA]

Sylvan, if you're having trouble keeping a mate, why don't you try Extenze and/or Viagra? :confused: :p :D

[Sylvan]

I dunno. While I like to sit around all day, I have to work. The days I am sitting I am in pain. So, it's more of a lying down than sitting.
I love my husband. I have for over 20 years. he started out being a good friend. Then he turned into a best friend. Then a lover.
I suppose I could complain about him, but I don't. Except maybe to him, he always hears what I have to say. He may not be listening, but I have never had a problem voicing my concerns. About 15 years ago I realized that he probably has more right to complain about me to others than I about him. Yet, he doesn't. He's always a gentleman when it comes to me. He deserves the same respect from me. He's a good man.
As to where the "healthy" women are? Again, I dunno. I don't mean to be snarky when I say that they are not where you are currently looking, or you wouldn't be asking.
FWIW, if a psycho-analysis were done on every single human being a diagnosis of some sort would result.


Thats a nice story. You're lucky. I vent here. I also like philosophy. In person you would notice that I am happy, charming, courtious, compassionate, understanding, patient, fair, honest, and attractive. My personal life does not consist of much of what you know of me here, although I have had some minor moments that I learn from and move on.

I worked very hard in the past to be able to have the freedom I have now working as an independent. What happens is, women who havent persued that path for themselves, but instead have lifestyles of schedules, appointments, and systems, get jealous when they realize I have more freedom then they do.

As far as the psycho-analysis, mesue feel free to list for me the questions I need to ask on a first date so I will know if a woman is worth persuing further. lol

[Surfing USA]

....feel free to list for me the questions I need to ask on a first date so I will know if a woman is worth persuing further. lol
Question number one: Do you have any STD's ? ;)

Question number two: If and when the time comes, are you okay with two inches?
In other words - Does size matter?

[Sylvan]

Sylvan, if you're having trouble keeping a mate, why don't you try Extenze and/or Viagra? :confused: :p :D

Cause Im still young and dont have any trouble in that department. At least I can say honestly that I havent had any complaints or inquiries for a discussion about it.

Besides, who would want to work up a sweat for someone who doesnt seem to care if they will be back the next day anyway.

[justKel]

"if you do something for me I will feel guilty".

So, is the above quote the sign that the woman is really only going to feel guilty because they know that they have no intention of doing something for the man or also know they wont persue a future with that man?

I think it's control. We want to feel like we're in control of a relationship and especially early on, having a guy do something for us is giving up control. First, we feel we should be able to do most things ourselves (unless we tell you to do it, in which case ya better do it LOL). Two, we feel that if you do things for us we are obligated to you for something -- that something is usually either feeling guilty for dumping you if it isn't working out for other reasons, or sex...

Most guys tend to woo women with all sorts of things in order to win their affection; gifts, flowers, favors, whatever. All these things can be flattering and nice, but when a girl isn't sure about a guy and how things might work out all these things become a liability and she might reject them and be quicker to reject you if you're too persistent. You can call this selfish I suppose, but from my perspective it's saving you a guys lot of time and money. If we accepted all that and then dumped you anyway you'd just call us users.

Most women worth being in a relationship with aren't looking for all that stuff anyway. I am way more interested in getting to know someone and their personality than I am in getting material things.

And that's all part of the dating "game." You spend time getting to know someone and eventually you accept or reject them based on the person you get to know. If you're changing to adapt to and please the person you want a relationship with it takes all the more time to get to know that person. Eventually the real you will come out and at that point the relationship will make or break. It's best to just be you from the start... If you try to do things to woo someone, including spending ungodly amounts of money on them, undoubtedly you're going to end up feeling used in the end.

[Sylvan]

I suppose it depends on what that "something" is and the motivation for your wanting that "something"

Im referring to things like just typical chores and repairs around the (her) house or vehicle or something like that. Im the type who, while visiting and relaxing with a beer, likes to pop the lawn mower up on the bench and change the oil and sharpen the blades (15 maybe 30 minutes tops!). Satisfaction for me would simply be showing an interest in what I was doing, a smile, and maybe take the initiative when at my house to find something that interests them that would help me out, like sharpening all the kitchen knives or something.

Its not about keeping score, its more about showing interest in eachother and working as a team. I cant find a "team player".

[Sylvan]

I think it's control. We want to feel like we're in control of a relationship and especially early on, having a guy do something for us is giving up control. First, we feel we should be able to do most things ourselves (unless we tell you to do it, in which case ya better do it LOL). Two, we feel that if you do things for us we are obligated to you for something -- that something is usually either feeling guilty for dumping you if it isn't working out for other reasons, or sex...

Most guys tend to woo women with all sorts of things in order to win their affection; gifts, flowers, favors, whatever. All these things can be flattering and nice, but when a girl isn't sure about a guy and how things might work out all these things become a liability and she might reject them and be quicker to reject you if you're too persistent. You can call this selfish I suppose, but from my perspective it's saving you a guys lot of time and money. If we accepted all that and then dumped you anyway you'd just call us users.

Most women worth being in a relationship with aren't looking for all that stuff anyway. I am way more interested in getting to know someone and their personality than I am in getting material things.

And that's all part of the dating "game." You spend time getting to know someone and eventually you accept or reject them based on the person you get to know. If you're changing to adapt to and please the person you want a relationship with it takes all the more time to get to know that person. Eventually the real you will come out and at that point the relationship will make or break. It's best to just be you from the start... If you try to do things to woo someone, including spending ungodly amounts of money on them, undoubtedly you're going to end up feeling used in the end.

Good advice. Thanks. And I do (and have) realized this. I dont do the materialistic stuff, except on proper special occations. Im handy with construction, repairs, and organization, and thats just who I am, so its out right from the beginning. What happens is, they all need something fixed or worked on. Woo'ing them with this never even occured to me. I just help out of my good nature, and poof, they're off looking for that golden goose who will keep them materialized. lol

[TOOLBAGS]

Syl, your gonna kill yourself trying to figure out women. They are who they are and I choose to leave it at that. If you can't handle them, you can choose to be gay. That is acceptable these days. I choose to accept chicks for who they are. Better than the other side...IMO:D
Relax a little, take em for who they are. They are all basically the same and will never be understood....and I like it that way. Y they do this, or that has been asked forever and will never be answered. It is one of them unsolved mystery things...try to accept it and enjoy, it can be fun. You seem like a good guy, but there is no such thing as the perfect women...(or man...relax). Just enjoy them and relise what they do have to offer that a guy can't...;)

[Sylvan]

Syl, your gonna kill yourself trying to figure out women. They are who they are and I choose to leave it at that. If you can't handle them, you can choose to be gay. That is acceptable these days. I choose to accept chicks for who they are. Better than the other side...IMO:D
Relax a little, take em for who they are. They are all basically the same and will never be understood....and I like it that way. Y they do this, or that has been asked forever and will never be answered. It is one of them unsolved mystery things...try to accept it and enjoy, it can be fun. You seem like a good guy, but there is no such thing as the perfect women...(or man...relax). Just enjoy them and relise what they do have to offer that a guy can't...;)

I know you're right! And dont worry, there is no way I would ever be into any kind of male on male thing.

I also didnt mean to imply that I am trying to "figure them out". What I am sick of is being decieved and used. So if being a man in the 21st century means give up your dignity and be a robot for your woman or make the best with what you can get until its time to get another one, then I guess Im destined to stay single and give up hope that I will ever have a chance at being humanly fullfilled. :(

[winfield31]

Im referring to things like just typical chores and repairs around the (her) house or vehicle or something like that. Im the type who, while visiting and relaxing with a beer, likes to pop the lawn mower up on the bench and change the oil and sharpen the blades (15 maybe 30 minutes tops!). Satisfaction for me would simply be showing an interest in what I was doing, a smile, and maybe take the initiative when at my house to find something that interests them that would help me out, like sharpening all the kitchen knives or something.

Its not about keeping score, its more about showing interest in eachother and working as a team. I cant find a "team player".get out of your "me" world , like children think the world ONLY revolves around them as they're too immature or experienced to know that others' lives are important also , so you still live in that world , you're also in the "woe is me" world , always complaining , there's plenty of beautiful women out there (I'm not talking just physically , but in their hearts) , in fact women are FAR MORE caring then men...........men tend to be more selfish , this is not always the case , & I have no facts to back this up , just a lot of experience in life & "watching" friends , relatives , fellow workers , acquaintences , etc.

[Sylvan]

get out of your "me" world , like children think the world ONLY revolves around them as they're too immature or experienced to know that others' lives are important also , so you still live in that world , you're also in the "woe is me" world , always complaining , there's plenty of beautiful women out there (I'm not talking just physically , but in their hearts) , in fact women are FAR MORE caring then men...........men tend to be more selfish , this is not always the case , & I have no facts to back this up , just a lot of experience in life & "watching" friends , relatives , fellow workers , acquaintences , etc.

I can understand why you have this interpretation of me from a MB, but the "me world" and "woe is me world" is not typical of me at all. This is just a temporary phaze. When I find this beautiful woman you are talking about I'll let you know! ;)

[winfield31]

I can understand why you have this interpretation of me from a MB, but the "me world" and "woe is me world" is not typical of me at all. This is just a temporary phaze. When I find this beautiful woman you are talking about I'll let you know! ;)syl , she's out there , or he's out there if you're a woman ( this is for the women posters , not you syl as I believe you're a male) , patience can be a virtue..........

[justKel]

Good advice. Thanks. And I do (and have) realized this. I dont do the materialistic stuff, except on proper special occations. Im handy with construction, repairs, and organization, and thats just who I am, so its out right from the beginning. What happens is, they all need something fixed or worked on. Woo'ing them with this never even occured to me. I just help out of my good nature, and poof, they're off looking for that golden goose who will keep them materialized. lol

I don't know why your being handy would be a turnoff except maybe she's construing your getting involved in her life in that way as too personal too fast. To quote Red Green, "If women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy." :D

Anyway you do seem like a really nice guy and I am certain that if you're patient the right girl will come around. And as was said, maybe you're looking in the wrong places or even ruling out women whom you might think about giving a go. For example maybe you tend to date only women with certain physical attributes or styles of dress, yet you might find that women you've ruled out before may have personality traits that you like so much that what you thought you disliked so much really isn't a big deal anymore. Just a thought.

[justKel]

syl , she's out there , or he's out there if you're a woman ( this is for the women posters , not you syl as I believe you're a male) , patience can be a virtue..........

LOL I know you don't want to hear this, but I'm gonna say it anyway. She's out there, for you gay ladies and he's out there, for you gay men... :p

Personally, I've given up dating at the moment, but it's probably temporary. I'm just having way too much fun being single. I was married most of my adult life until two years ago. Now I'm enjoying going where I want, when I want, how I want, eating what I want, where I want... I am not lonely at all because I am either with my kids or I am meeting new people and going on various outings with friends. I have taken up several new hobbies which all involve being around new people I never met before, as well as dredged up a couple of old ones. So being in a relationship isn't a big deal to me right now. If I wanted to be in one, there's about six people who would be more than willing to go from "just a friend" to "more than a friend" but I don't feel like being owned right now, as well they all have quirks I'd have a hard time putting up with if they were around me all the time (and the same is true for them with me, likely).

[Sylvan]

I don't know why your being handy would be a turnoff except maybe she's construing your getting involved in her life in that way as too personal too fast. To quote Red Green, "If women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy." :D

Anyway you do seem like a really nice guy and I am certain that if you're patient the right girl will come around. And as was said, maybe you're looking in the wrong places or even ruling out women whom you might think about giving a go. For example maybe you tend to date only women with certain physical attributes or styles of dress, yet you might find that women you've ruled out before may have personality traits that you like so much that what you thought you disliked so much really isn't a big deal anymore. Just a thought.

Yeah well, people say straight out they're looking for long term and they put on a show of attractive traits and it turns out they just wanted some entertainment, sex, and home repair.

[justKel]

Yeah well, people say straight out they're looking for long term and they put on a show of attractive traits and it turns out they just wanted some entertainment, sex, and home repair.

Well, I'm sorry you've had to experience that, but in fairness I hope you agree that it's not just women playing games.

I dated a guy a few months ago who acted like he wasn't all about sex. I wasn't real impressed with him on the first date (and he knew why, for reasons I won't get into right now) but I agreed to see him again when he asked. Then I don't hear from him for a while, then I get sporadic text messages for a few weeks, and suddenly one night out of the blue he texts me "I want to have sex with you." When I told him AGAIN that I only had sex with people I was in a serious relationship with or at least knew really well and had a lot of trust in (yeah, I have a couple of f---buddies -- well really more like 'petting partners'), he backpedaled with "Oh, I agree, friends first" and then suggested we take a walk along the riverfront or go out to dinner again...

Um... Yeah.

I agreed, against my better judgment, to go out again and told him to name the time and place. That was the last I heard from him. I won't f--- him "out of the box" so he decided I wasn't worth the time and effort. From the start he knew I was that way but I guess he figured I'd cave with him and be easy. Enjoy the callouses on your hand, is all I can say to him.

[mesue]

Yeah well, people say straight out they're looking for long term and they put on a show of attractive traits and it turns out they just wanted some entertainment, sex, and home repair.
You mean ... there's more? :p :D
Oh honey ...

[unbroken]

Sylvan you categorize women. It's no better than racism.
They're as different as snowflakes just like men.

[Sylvan]

Well, I'm sorry you've had to experience that, but in fairness I hope you agree that it's not just women playing games.

Oh yeah I agree. I think it starts early. Young girls are played by older boys in high school and they get hurt and learn how to play their own games. And it cascades from there.

I must be weird because the more games played on me by girls in high school, the more I made sure not to pull that crap on the next girls I persued.

[Sylvan]

You mean ... there's more? :p :D
Oh honey ...

Ha. I have a whole list of stories.

[Sylvan]

Sylvan you categorize women. It's no better than racism.
They're as different as snowflakes just like men.

Hello newbie. Welcome to the thread. :)

Snowflakes? Thats a good example of people. But that doesnt explain why some are hypocrites and quitters.

BTW - The only thing wrong with "racism" is when "prejudice" is involved. Recognizing and being honest about someone charactor based on their race helps to educate others about divercity, and can lead to things that are beneficial like tolorance and acceptance.

[FIRELADY]

I have come to the conclusion that some people are just meant to be single. Nothing wrong with it, just the way it is.

[Enough]

.....To quote Red Green, "If women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy." :D
RED GREEN! Now there's a name I haven't heard in a long time!!!! A real "man's man"!!!! :p

I used to love his show!

Thanks for the quote! :D

[Sylvan]

I have come to the conclusion that some people are just meant to be single. Nothing wrong with it, just the way it is.

Very true!

[Enough]

Sylvan, I probably know less about women than you do, and I've been married 10 years :D

The only bit of advice I could give is, don't rush anything! When "the right one" comes along you'll know it! When I met my wife it was "love at first sight". I don't know if it was for her, but it was for me. I just knew we were going to be together.

And it's much better to be alone for the right reasons than with someone for the wrong ones!

[justKel]

RED GREEN! Now there's a name I haven't heard in a long time!!!! A real "man's man"!!!! :p

I used to love his show!

Thanks for the quote! :D

As an engineer, the whole duct tape thing cracks me up.

And Red might be a Canadian redneck, but he's kinda cute. Harmless, laid back kinda guy... I like that. The show's just funny. Even my 10, 8 and 6 year old like it and laugh their heads off every time Red does something stupid, though I have no idea what it's doing to their psyche. Can't be any worse than SpongeBob or some of the other crap on Nickelodeon.

I have no idea how I got started watching it. I ran across it one day and the inept-engineering and silly humor had me hooked. I haven't watched it in a while though, I've been out doing things all summer. The only reason I'm home today is because I've not been feeling well the past few days and needed to relax for one day.

[Enough]

As an engineer, the whole duct tape thing cracks me up.

And Red might be a Canadian redneck, but he's kinda cute. Harmless, laid back kinda guy... I like that. The show's just funny. Even my 10, 8 and 6 year old like it and laugh their heads off every time Red does something stupid, though I have no idea what it's doing to their psyche. Can't be any worse than SpongeBob or some of the other crap on Nickelodeon.

I have no idea how I got started watching it. I ran across it one day and the inept-engineering and silly humor had me hooked. I haven't watched it in a while though, I've been out doing things all summer. The only reason I'm home today is because I've not been feeling well the past few days and needed to relax for one day.
Is he still on TV.... ????

Since I moved I don't get Canadian Channels! :mad:

I have a Red Green DVD around here somewhere....:confused:

[justKel]

Is he still on TV.... ????

Since I moved I don't get Canadian Channels! :mad:

I have a Red Green DVD around here somewhere....:confused:

How old is the show? I never paid attention to the year in the credits. I just thought it was still in production. It's on CBC every week on Saturday I think.

[Sylvan]

Here is the 300th episode on "Marriage".
(kinda fits the thread. I think?) :p

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[Sylvan]

Sylvan, I probably know less about women than you do, and I've been married 10 years :D

The only bit of advice I could give is, don't rush anything! When "the right one" comes along you'll know it! When I met my wife it was "love at first sight". I don't know if it was for her, but it was for me. I just knew we were going to be together.

And it's much better to be alone for the right reasons than with someone for the wrong ones!

You're right. And thats why I am single. But as a married man do you feel you have had to compromise your dignity to keep the relationship going?

[winfield31]

You're right. And thats why I am single. But as a married man do you feel you have had to compromise your dignity to keep the relationship going? syl , the question is if you find the right person , do you have to compromise ? Not your dignity , you have no dignity or respect , that has to be earned & takes time........but relationships & marriages , if they're to "work" , you both have to work , you have to compromise , you have to work together , it's not always easy , but if you truly love someone & yourself , things will fall into place..........

[Sylvan]

syl , the question is if you find the right person , do you have to compromise ? Not your dignity , you have no dignity or respect , that has to be earned & takes time........but relationships & marriages , if they're to "work" , you both have to work , you have to compromise , you have to work together , it's not always easy , but if you truly love someone & yourself , things will fall into place..........

Thats not what women tell me. They expect faith. Thats blind faith, an automatic trust with no validation. In my eyes, thats disrespectful and compromises dignity. So, thanks for reassuring me that Im am doing it right.

As far as work and compromise. I love both. Im proactive with them, and Im also patient, understanding, affectionate, and loyal.

The question of the thread is, why are women so full of crap?

[Enough]

Thats not what women tell me. They expect faith. Thats blind faith, an automatic trust with no validation. In my eyes, thats disrespectful and compromises dignity. So, thanks for reassuring me that Im am doing it right.

As far as work and compromise. I love both. Im proactive with them, and Im also patient, understanding, affectionate, and loyal.

The question of the thread is, why are women so full of crap?
Sylvan, what is it you mean by, they expect blind faith, an automatic trust with no validation?

Got an example?

[Enough]

How old is the show? I never paid attention to the year in the credits. I just thought it was still in production. It's on CBC every week on Saturday I think.

http://www.redgreen.com/index.cfm?app=cart&a=view_episodes

15 Seasons! :D

[winfield31]

Sylvan, what is it you mean by, they expect blind faith, an automatic trust with no validation?

Got an example?not "blind faith" , not "validation" , he wants "vindication" w/out the consequences...........must learn compromise , give & take , working together , syl , I am starting to realize it's not the women in your life , it's the life in your women , & your "high" expectations , wanting perfection from them , while forgetting you are not perfect or the "rose between two thorns" either.........

[mesue]

Thats not what women tell me. They expect faith. Thats blind faith, an automatic trust with no validation. In my eyes, thats disrespectful and compromises dignity. So, thanks for reassuring me that Im am doing it right.

As far as work and compromise. I love both. Im proactive with them, and Im also patient, understanding, affectionate, and loyal.

The question of the thread is, why are women so full of crap?
Faith is trusting in what you know. When you sat down in your chair to type your post did you stop to think about whether or not that chair would hold you up? Faith is trusting that that chair would hold you.
To answer your question, people are full of crap, not just women. We live what we learn. By our 30's we're pretty much set in our way of thinking because we have enough life experience to know a few things. This doesn't mean that things are carved in stone, just that it's harder to change our ways of thinking the older we get. Unfortunately some mind sets are crappy.

[Sylvan]

not "blind faith" , not "validation" , he wants "vindication" w/out the consequences...........must learn compromise , give & take , working together , syl , I am starting to realize it's not the women in your life , it's the life in your women , & your "high" expectations , wanting perfection from them , while forgetting you are not perfect or the "rose between two thorns" either.........

No! Vindication is too strong a word! I meant validation, that should be simple enough. And you're wrong about my expectations. I am a "team" player. Always have been and thats part of what I look for.

[Sylvan]

Faith is trusting in what you know.

If thats what works for you, thats great. Faith is actually defined as "the absolute belief in something that can not be proven. So if something cant be proven, then I cant know about it, and if I dont know about it the question is raised on whether to trust it.

[Dumbfounded]

Thats not what women tell me. They expect faith. Thats blind faith, an automatic trust with no validation. In my eyes, thats disrespectful and compromises dignity. So, thanks for reassuring me that Im am doing it right.

As far as work and compromise. I love both. Im proactive with them, and Im also patient, understanding, affectionate, and loyal.

The question of the thread is, why are women so full of crap?

Sylvan, a little while back BlackRockDan started a thread on "why nice guys come last" (paraphrased from memory) and man, he made PERFECT SENSE.

Women aren't a "mysterious creatures," we're the ones letting them dictate how we treat them (much of the time).

Guys who think with their ahem, hormones usually have no concerns over a woman's feelings (in the deep, romantic sense) and get what they want
WITHOUT all the neurotic, confusing BS women SAY THEY WANT out of a relationship.


Most women DO say they want "Mr. Nice Guy," while pining after "Mr. Pig."
Forget all the STUPID women's magazine, TV shows and other BS about "how to make your relationship work."
Its all about the hormones;Basic drives.

I'm not being "misogynistic," just observant
and yes, there are plenty of women who DO want Mr. Nice Guy but they are extremely RARE;The exception to the rule of dating and mating.

[Sylvan]

Sylvan, what is it you mean by, they expect blind faith, an automatic trust with no validation?

Got an example?

A: [ring] hello?
B: Hi, what are you doing tonight?
A: Nothing
B: Would you like me to come over?
A: I dont know Im kinda busy.
B: oh okay, what are you working on?
A: I have to fix my dishwasher but the instructions are confusing.
B: Well if I come over I could show you how to fix it in 5 minutes.
A: Id feel guilty, and besides my girlfriend is coming over.
B: Are you two going to fix it?
A: No. We might go to a bar for drinks.
B: I thought you had to fix your dishwasher?
A: I dont need a dishwasher.
B: Okay then, give me a call.
A: Okay I will.

2 days later

A: [ring] hello?
B: Did you have fun at the bar?
A: What bar? She and I dont go to bars together.
B: Oh. Did you fix the dishwasher?
A: I found strawberries on sale and Im ovulating are you coming over?
B: Yeah, should I bring anything?
A: How about a book.

[ding dong]
B: hello
A: If you werent here I could get more done.

[Enough]

A: [ring] hello?
B: Hi, what are you doing tonight?
A: Nothing
B: Would you like me to come over?
A: I dont know Im kinda busy.
B: oh okay, what are you working on?
A: I have to fix my dishwasher but the instructions are confusing.
B: Well if I come over I could show you how to fix it in 5 minutes.
A: Id feel guilty, and besides my girlfriend is coming over.
B: Are you two going to fix it?
A: No. We might go to a bar for drinks.
B: I thought you had to fix your dishwasher?
A: I dont need a dishwasher.
B: Okay then, give me a call.
A: Okay I will.

2 days later

A: [ring] hello?
B: Did you have fun at the bar?
A: What bar? She and I dont go to bars together.
B: Oh. Did you fix the dishwasher?
A: I found strawberries on sale and Im ovulating are you coming over?
B: Yeah, should I bring anything?
A: How about a book.

[ding dong]
B: hello
A: ----------------
Pending on what you're looking for in a relationship, you're in a bad spot, Sylvan! Move on!

[Sylvan]

Pending on what you're looking for in a relationship, you're in a bad spot, Sylvan! Move on!

Already did. :)

[Mary3]

After reading the posts, here is my two cents:

1) never be in a relationship where you feel as though you are loosing your dignity - if a woman likes you or loves you, this will never happen
(you have to feel secure with yourself and you will never feel as though you are loosing your dignity)

2) I agree that when the right person comes along, you will know it and want to do things with them all the time
(this includes chores, and fun stuff)

3) You need a woman who will nurture you.

4) You need a woman who likes the same sports as you since you keep using the analogy "team player"

5) All women are persuasive - the most important thing is DO YOU WANT TO BE persuaded (that's different than being manipuated)

6) Understand that most women who are in love do not always want to be with their partner ALL the time (just like you, they need their time alone too) This shows the woman you are with is confident and not insecure.

7) Women are attracted to confident men, no matter what they look like.

[Sylvan]

After reading the posts, here is my two cents:

1) never be in a relationship where you feel as though you are loosing your dignity - if a woman likes you or loves you, this will never happen
(you have to feel secure with yourself and you will never feel as though you are loosing your dignity)

2) I agree that when the right person comes along, you will know it and want to do things with them all the time
(this includes chores, and fun stuff)

3) You need a woman who will nurture you.

4) You need a woman who likes the same sports as you since you keep using the analogy "team player"

5) All women are persuasive - the most important thing is DO YOU WANT TO BE persuaded (that's different than being manipuated)

6) Understand that most women who are in love do not always want to be with their partner ALL the time (just like you, they need their time alone too) This shows the woman you are with is confident and not insecure.

7) Women are attracted to confident men, no matter what they look like.

Excellent!

[Mary3]

Hope it was helpful! :)

[Enough]

After reading the posts, here is my two cents:

1) never be in a relationship where you feel as though you are loosing your dignity - if a woman likes you or loves you, this will never happen
(you have to feel secure with yourself and you will never feel as though you are loosing your dignity)

2) I agree that when the right person comes along, you will know it and want to do things with them all the time
(this includes chores, and fun stuff)

3) You need a woman who will nurture you.

4) You need a woman who likes the same sports as you since you keep using the analogy "team player"

5) All women are persuasive - the most important thing is DO YOU WANT TO BE persuaded (that's different than being manipuated)

6) Understand that most women who are in love do not always want to be with their partner ALL the time (just like you, they need their time alone too) This shows the woman you are with is confident and not insecure.

7) Women are attracted to confident men, no matter what they look like.
Good Post.....

Another thing I remembered Sylvan is,........

Find someone who shares the same goals as you. I'm a beliver that money will cause a lot of problems in a relationship. If you are the type that loves to spend but your S.O. is a "saver" you're gonna have a world of trouble! And vice versa.

Make sure your long-term goals about saving, spending, retiring along with the type of home life you expect are similar! :)

And if you wanna know what she's gonna look like in 20 years look at her mom! :p

[Cgoodsp466]

Syl Learn to cook relationships are over rated. Eat,Drink and enjoy life. They all want to change you after the relationship.Got to go and fix another Rum.

[Dumbfounded]

"I don't want to be taken for granted."
Then they date a guy (or football team) that "takes them for granted")

"I'm attracted to you, but I just want to take it slow, OK?"
While they're seeing some guy on the side they barely know!

"I don't want to be treated as a piece of meat."
While you're going crazy with desire, other guys she's seeing on the side are treating her as a "piece of meat."

I'd like you to meet my friends (usually reserved for nice guys or fools).
Friends or "a ring of fire" a "minefield" of shallow dunces.



Women prefer neanderthals;Boors;Pigs, slobs, walking gonads-Chauvanists, ect.

I am not trying to belittle women's dignity by any means but stating fact: Women are wired to jump at hairy, rude, inconsiderate brainless apes (unless the guy's REEEEEEECH!!)

"Nice guys" and "romantics" are easy-to-use code words for "we can take him for all he's worth as long as we don't put out, but keep him hoping he'll get some!"


So ladies, when nice guys;Saps sincerely try and treat you with respect, patience, are good/great listeners and romantics (fools),
you really don't seem to appreciate these efforts (usually)
"Sensitive guys" come last 99% of the time.

I've done scientific research on relationships and have shared my findings with collegagues who concur with my theories on why there's usually such a wide chasm of misunderstanding between the sexes.


And I ain't being "bitter," but I AM bitterly realistic.

[Cgoodsp466]

"I don't want to be taken for granted."
Then they date a guy (or football team) that "takes them for granted")

"I'm attracted to you, but I just want to take it slow, OK?"
While they're seeing some guy on the side they barely know!

"I don't want to be treated as a piece of meat."
While you're going crazy with desire, other guys she's seeing on the side are treating her as a "piece of meat."

I'd like you to meet my friends (usually reserved for nice guys or fools).
Friends or "a ring of fire" a "minefield" of shallow dunces.



Women prefer neanderthals;Boors;Pigs, slobs, walking gonads-Chauvanists, ect.

I am not trying to belittle women's dignity by any means but stating fact: Women are wired to jump at hairy, rude, inconsiderate brainless apes (unless the guy's REEEEEEECH!!)

"Nice guys" and "romantics" are easy-to-use code words for "we can take him for all he's worth as long as we don't put out, but keep him hoping he'll get some!"


So ladies, when nice guys;Saps sincerely try and treat you with respect, patience, are good/great listeners and romantics (fools),
you really don't seem to appreciate these efforts (usually)
"Sensitive guys" come last 99% of the time.

I've done scientific research on relationships and have shared my findings with collegagues who concur with my theories on why there's usually such a wide chasm of misunderstanding between the sexes.


And I ain't being "bitter," but I AM bitterly realistic.

You know we never agree but on this one we are in total agreement. Belive me if you have the cash you can buy as much love as you can handle.

[zanna vaida]

While reading replies I talk about a book for Dummies on HOW TO on Women and relationships. Is there one out?
If not, you have a good start, Sylvan.

Otherwise, BE YOURSELF and HAVE a good SHOW. The GOOD SHOW includes drama and trama, comedy and action. It includes ALL. LIVE to your potentials. Explore it ALL. This way you'll discover true yourself. Don't give up.
P.S. You know, you can't satisfy them all; try to satisfy yourself. Focus.

[Dumbfounded]

You know we never agree but on this one we are in total agreement. Belive me if you have the cash you can buy as much love as you can handle.

True.

Got to admit that I UNDERSTAND that women want a guy who is FINANCIALLY stable - To a point.

Seems as though most women put a guy's net worth before his worth as a person.

And there should be NO BOOKS or DVDs on "how to talk to women" (which I read one or two of when I was a kid)

There should be no books or DVDs on "how to please a woman in the bedroom"


As Sam Kinison put it so well:
"What the is this? An Easter egg hunt? Ladies, you know what you want! Tell us!! Tell us!!!!"


Yes, women ARE great, but man, why the MYSTERY?
("But the mystery and games are part of the fun of courting, dating and-" NO!

The games & confusion and the ever-changing, conflicting qualities women
say they "want out of men" have made the concept of being alone more appealing than ever.


Women are wonderful, but honest-to-God,
I'm just too old for any more adolescent games and I've always been wired to NOT
"think with my hormones first," but to be a "sensitive, romantic idiot."
So to you thoughtless Alpha males out there scoring with neurotic dimbulbs until you can't walk-
GOOD FOR YOU!!!


And ladies, since most of you seem to love these knuckle-dragging earth-repopulating reprobates, cool-Just STOP COMPLAINING THAT
"MEN MISTREAT, DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR NEEDS
& DON'T RESPECT YOU." Please-You're confusing a lot of guys and life is already a bit oppressive.

Dating & mating should be easy and FUN-Not a challenge!


One quick note:

I've heard said:
"Relationships are complex"
Like dating & maiting,
relationships should not have to be maintained like a car!
Relationships either work
or
they do not work!!

[zanna vaida]

Life is about DISCOVERY. Exploration is the step before the DISCOVERY. Go for it!!

[Sylvan]

You know we never agree but on this one we are in total agreement. Belive me if you have the cash you can buy as much love as you can handle.

I NEVER discuss net worth with a woman. And as frustrating and sometimes as funny as it is to see their need (and to watch them make the effort) to find out its worth it to me because I would always wonder what they're really in it for.

Security is important but love is worth more than money.

[Mary3]

Here are some clues for you guys:

Look at what kind of job she has, look at her family and get to know the family, is she involved and help out the family and neighborhood? If the woman you are going out with is NOT involved with helping out the family (elderly, young cousins, etc.), going to the little nieces sports events, recitals, you will know that she doesn't have family values.

Net worth: Does the woman live within her means? What kind of clothes does she wear, does she have a "knock-offs" of expensive purses and clothes? Where does she like to go when you take her out?

If you are getting serious in a relationship and you know the above answers, you don't have to do anything but observe to know her net worth monitarily.

Don't ask question about her net worth, it will be totally destructive to the relationship. Just observe.

In some situations, the woman has life difficulties due to past illness, or unemployment but still has good values, this is when you have to decide after knowing her more to tactfully say somthing like:

"When you were sick, how did it affect your pocket book?"

Have a conversation...

[Cgoodsp466]

Learn to cook .Live single live freeeeeeeeeeee

[zanna vaida]

There's no way he can live free. Life is about interconnection-interdependence. We always rely on somebody for something or/and something for somebody.

[mesue]

...
Life is about interconnection-interdependence.
...
Some days I think that is over rated.

[zanna vaida]

Some days I need my space-don't want to hear, see, or communicate. I need time to concentrate and refocuse with the same question, "Where am I going?"

[Cgoodsp466]

There's no way he can live free. Life is about interconnection-interdependence. We always rely on somebody for something or/and something for somebody.

I can get conversation at The american Legion,I can get well you know? I love my dog I love to cook I dont have to ask permission.I need only Air and water.

[Dumbfounded]

Anyone else blow chunks when Tom Cruise said to Renee Zelwegger: "You complete me?"


Mary3, thank you for the clues about what to look for in a woman, but I know SOME:


-She keeps reminding you how much her mother wants her to get married.

-She rarely looks you square in the eyes.

-She won't stop talking about her father. Ever. (Oedipus Rex, anyone?)

-She listens to Dr. Laura, watches Greta Van Sustren and reads Ann Coulter-Oh and she owns a gun.

-Lorainna Bobbit is one of her role models

-You've known her 1 or 2 days and she calls you "sweetie."

-She keeps smiling about "how beautiful blue eyes are" and both of your eyes are brown.

-She always seems nicer after you buy her dinner and gifts

-She never thanks you for the little things you do for her;Consideration, politeness;Being a gentleman.

-She tells you, "married men never have enough life insurance" and winks at you.

-She keeps on telling you, "no sex until we're married

-She tells you about her ideal man in a monotone while staring into space...

-She keeps on forgetting your name-And you've known her one month.

-Even though you've been nice and decent to her, she says stuff like, "all men are pigs" or "men only think with their #**@"







RELATIONSHIP PLATITUDES:

"Daar duh! There's more fish in the sea, yessir uh huh! Duuh!"

But you have to catch those "fish" with bait made out of diamonds and 18K gold!

"But there's always someone else around the corner!"

Yes. A CRAZIER woman!!!


"You don't know what yur missin' out on if you dont' dive back into the dating scene!"

I DO "know what I'm missing."
TWO years in a mental institution!!!

"Duh, there's someone for eveyone! Really!"

I'm biased against manic depressive, suicidal, nymphomaniac (with other guys) unbalanced women.


"Its NEVER too late to meet the right woman!"

Really?
The WRONG woman usually ends up putting a man in the ground LONG before his natural death so he doesn't get the CHANCE to meet "the right woman" while he's still alive.


Hope I don't sound "bitter." I don't mean to. Honest.

[Cgoodsp466]

Anyone else blow chunks when Tom Cruise said to Renee Zelwegger: "You complete me?"


Mary3, thank you for the clues about what to look for in a woman, but I know SOME:


-She keeps reminding you how much her mother wants her to get married.

-She rarely looks you square in the eyes.

-She won't stop talking about her father. Ever. (Oedipus Rex, anyone?)

-She listens to Dr. Laura, watches Greta Van Sustren and reads Ann Coulter-Oh and she owns a gun.

-Lorainna Bobbit is one of her role models

-You've known her 1 or 2 days and she calls you "sweetie."

-She keeps smiling about "how beautiful blue eyes are" and both of your eyes are brown.

-She always seems nicer after you buy her dinner and gifts

-She never thanks you for the little things you do for her;Consideration, politeness;Being a gentleman.

-She tells you, "married men never have enough life insurance" and winks at you.

-She keeps on telling you, "no sex until we're married

-She tells you about her ideal man in a monotone while staring into space...

-She keeps on forgetting your name-And you've known her one month.

-Even though you've been nice and decent to her, she says stuff like, "all men are pigs" or "men only think with their #**@"







RELATIONSHIP PLATITUDES:

"Daar duh! There's more fish in the sea, yessir uh huh! Duuh!"

But you have to catch those "fish" with bait made out of diamonds and 18K gold!

"But there's always someone else around the corner!"

Yes. A CRAZIER woman!!!


"You don't know what yur missin' out on if you dont' dive back into the dating scene!"

I DO "know what I'm missing."
TWO years in a mental institution!!!

"Duh, there's someone for eveyone! Really!"

I'm biased against manic depressive, suicidal, nymphomaniac (with other guys) unbalanced women.


"Its NEVER too late to meet the right woman!"

Really?
The WRONG woman usually ends up putting a man in the ground LONG before his natural death so he doesn't get the CHANCE to meet "the right woman" while he's still alive.


Hope I don't sound "bitter." I don't mean to. Honest.

Their is no right woman,Look at all your married or comitted friends.Miserable everyone of em.No thanks I gave at the office.

[Enough]

I NEVER discuss net worth with a woman. And as frustrating and sometimes as funny as it is to see their need (and to watch them make the effort) to find out its worth it to me because I would always wonder what they're really in it for.

Security is important but love is worth more than money.
You're NUTS!!!!!

Marry for MONEY!!! :p

[Sylvan]

You're NUTS!!!!!

Marry for MONEY!!! :p

Ive dated money, and marrying for it would have been insane. Really. In my experiences, their money was their fathers so all they're really looking for is someone who is just like their father which sometimes might be fine but for the most part would be a nightmare of a way of life. Has nothing to do with the men they might be, its that the women now have another means to control you like a zombie or robot.

I talked to a married school teacher yesterday. Hes been doing roofs all summer during his time off. Anyway he said he "asked" his wife "if" he could get a motorcycle to conserve gasoline because the school where he teaches is a long drive from where they are living. Guess how she handled that one...

The answer to the motorcycle was, "NO". And she went out and bought a house 2 blocks from the school and told him to find his old rollerblades. Now I admit that is pretty smart and probably the practacle thing to do. But while trying to keep up with the roof jobs he had already lined up for the summer, he also had to move into it with two kids and restore the entire house.

So actually "asking" for a motorcycle got him condemned to stricter enslavement and more hard labor.

[FMD]

I have come to the conclusion that women ENJOY being treated like crap. If you treat them nice, they run. If you treat them like a piece of meat, you cant get rid of them.

The problem lies in the fact that 'nice guys' have a hard time treating women like a piece of meat.

[zanna vaida]

Sounds like you judge all by your personal experience. Too bad.

[Dumbfounded]

Sounds like you judge all by your personal experience. Too bad.

You are obviously HIGHLY intelligent, Zanna, so this little factoid about America may be of interest to you: Dating and mating in America has become so filled with all kinds of neurotic grief, hangups, regrets, cheating;All kinds of misery that happy relationships are the EXCEPTION
Not the rule.

Happy marriges;Happy endings, all the idealistic dramatic Harlequen soap opera romantic crap is for the most part fiction while there are couples, even soulmates who are in bliss and I'm happy for them (really!) but they are RARE.

Yes, a lot of women seem turned on by guys who treat them like trash, but in truth women are attracted to confident guys, not stupid sensitive morons like myself;Riverside Dan posted an EXCELLENT article on why "nice guys" come last;Literally AND figueratively.

As much as I hate shallow users in general, I can't BLAME women for wanting a guy who's fiscally and emotionally stable, having to FAKE love & sex if survival and/or stability in one's life is the goal.

But guys DO get mixed messages from women;"Treat us like people, not objects" when the actions of many women are those of most men;They just want to rut like pigs in heat.


So I happily stepped out of the primal "fighting other guys" for a mate game years ago, alone, but NEVER "lonely."

Lost ALL patience for women's contradictory nature (and they often ARE too damned moody).

Lost ALL patience for going through women's "ring of fire" in which a guy has to have the seal of approval by the girl's moron friends.

LOVE women but LOVE my SANITY WAAAAAAAY more.

And with all the reality relationship shows on TV,
all the "meet singles in your area" on the net in addition to the myriad dating services-
its better to be alone than go through the rollercoaster of grief we call "relationshiops.";They shouldn't be so complex, but usually are and life can be difficult enough WITHOUT the "intracies" of very akward romantic crap.


Remember that great zombie horror movie 'Pet Semetary,' when Fred Gywnne's character said, "sometimes...Dead is bettah?"
Well, sometimes ALONE IS BETTER;Not "bitterness" talking,
just weighed out the pros and cons of the whole relationship game and it IS a game, regardless of the fortunate happy couplings that DO occur.

[TOOLBAGS]

You are obviously HIGHLY intelligent, Zanna, so this little factoid about America may be of interest to you: Dating and mating in America has become so filled with all kinds of neurotic grief, hangups, regrets, cheating;All kinds of misery that happy relationships are the EXCEPTION
Not the rule.

Happy marriges;Happy endings, all the idealistic dramatic Harlequen soap opera romantic crap is for the most part fiction while there are couples, even soulmates who are in bliss and I'm happy for them (really!) but they are RARE.

Yes, a lot of women seem turned on by guys who treat them like trash, but in truth women are attracted to confident guys, not stupid sensitive morons like myself;Riverside Dan posted an EXCELLENT article on why "nice guys" come last;Literally AND figueratively.

As much as I hate shallow users in general, I can't BLAME women for wanting a guy who's fiscally and emotionally stable, having to FAKE love & sex if survival and/or stability in one's life is the goal.

But guys DO get mixed messages from women;"Treat us like people, not objects" when the actions of many women are those of most men;They just want to rut like pigs in heat.


So I happily stepped out of the primal "fighting other guys" for a mate game years ago, alone, but NEVER "lonely."

Lost ALL patience for women's contradictory nature (and they often ARE too damned moody).

Lost ALL patience for going through women's "ring of fire" in which a guy has to have the seal of approval by the girl's moron friends.

LOVE women but LOVE my SANITY WAAAAAAAY more.

And with all the reality relationship shows on TV,
all the "meet singles in your area" on the net in addition to the myriad dating services-
its better to be alone than go through the rollercoaster of grief we call "relationshiops.";They shouldn't be so complex, but usually are and life can be difficult enough WITHOUT the "intracies" of very akward romantic crap.


Remember that great zombie horror movie 'Pet Semetary,' when Fred Gywnne's character said, "sometimes...Dead is bettah?"
Well, sometimes ALONE IS BETTER;Not "bitterness" talking,
just weighed out the pros and cons of the whole relationship game and it IS a game, regardless of the fortunate happy couplings that DO occur.

Wow...poor guy.

[Surfing USA]

You are obviously HIGHLY intelligent, Zanna, so this little factoid about America may be of interest to you: Dating and mating in America has become so filled with all kinds of neurotic grief, hangups, regrets, cheating;All kinds of misery that happy relationships are the EXCEPTION
Not the rule.

Happy marriges;Happy endings, all the idealistic dramatic Harlequen soap opera romantic crap is for the most part fiction while there are couples, even soulmates who are in bliss and I'm happy for them (really!) but they are RARE.

Yes, a lot of women seem turned on by guys who treat them like trash, but in truth women are attracted to confident guys, not stupid sensitive morons like myself;Riverside Dan posted an EXCELLENT article on why "nice guys" come last;Literally AND figueratively.

As much as I hate shallow users in general, I can't BLAME women for wanting a guy who's fiscally and emotionally stable, having to FAKE love & sex if survival and/or stability in one's life is the goal.

But guys DO get mixed messages from women;"Treat us like people, not objects" when the actions of many women are those of most men;They just want to rut like pigs in heat.


So I happily stepped out of the primal "fighting other guys" for a mate game years ago, alone, but NEVER "lonely."

Lost ALL patience for women's contradictory nature (and they often ARE too damned moody).

Lost ALL patience for going through women's "ring of fire" in which a guy has to have the seal of approval by the girl's moron friends.

LOVE women but LOVE my SANITY WAAAAAAAY more.

And with all the reality relationship shows on TV,
all the "meet singles in your area" on the net in addition to the myriad dating services-
its better to be alone than go through the rollercoaster of grief we call "relationshiops.";They shouldn't be so complex, but usually are and life can be difficult enough WITHOUT the "intracies" of very akward romantic crap.


Remember that great zombie horror movie 'Pet Semetary,' when Fred Gywnne's character said, "sometimes...Dead is bettah?"
Well, sometimes ALONE IS BETTER;Not "bitterness" talking,
just weighed out the pros and cons of the whole relationship game and it IS a game, regardless of the fortunate happy couplings that DO occur.
It sounds like you could use a feminine robot, named Alicia, to keep you company.

Remember the Twilight Zone episode, 'The Lonely' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lonely_(The_Twilight_Zone))?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4e/The_Lonley.jpg/250px-The_Lonley.jpg

[Dumbfounded]

It sounds like you could use a feminine robot, named Alicia, to keep you company.

Remember the Twilight Zone episode, 'The Lonely' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lonely_(The_Twilight_Zone))?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4e/The_Lonley.jpg/250px-The_Lonley.jpg

Blast it all! I'm not bleeding lonely! Had some lousy "close encounters" and they just ain't worth the headache.
I DID see that 'Twilight Zone' episode, Surfing.
Didn't the astronaut lose it and kill the two-man rescue party at the end?

To reiterate-I'm alone by CHOICE-Not lonely as in "gawrsh! I jest haveta meet a gurl or I'll be real, real sad & lonely specially cus its the holiday season! Yup!"

In fact, I equate that "empty" and "painful feeling" which often describes lonliness for a mate with self-pity
(only for ME;Not a criteria by which I would deign to judge other people by).


See what I get for being brutally honest?
Toolbags says I'm a "poor guy" and you bring up the perfect 'Twilight Zone' episode title which I shall repeat describes something I'm NOT!

If there's a hell by some chance (hope there is),
ANY clown who kills themselves over losing a guy or girl in a committed relationship SHOULD suffer the torments of the damned for being so damned STUPID!!!

"...Continuing with our tour of Hell, we go from politicians to THIS circle of Hell, we torture the morons who killed themselves over some chick that dumped em' or cheated on em! Wow! They burn real good! Listen to em' wail like the lost souls they are!"


Back to the jist of the thread which is:
MOST Women are often shallow and mislead well-meant guys
and
MOST guys think with their, uh hormones and often regret their mistakes later on...
THAT or have an ear-to-ear grin and get to brag like the pigs we are!!!

[Surfing USA]

Blast it all! I'm not bleeding lonely! Had some lousy "close encounters" and they just ain't worth the headache.
I DID see that 'Twilight Zone' episode, Surfing.
Didn't the astronaut lose it and kill the two-man rescue party at the end?Synopsis (From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lonely_(The_Twilight_Zone)).)

In 2046, an inmate sentenced to solitary confinement on the desert planet Ceres-XIV is visited by a spacecraft that regularly brings him supplies and news from the Earth. Captain Allenby has been trying to make Corry's stay humanely tolerable by bringing him things to take his mind off the loneliness. On this trip, however, Allenby tells Corry not to open a certain crate that has just been delivered until after the transport crew leaves. Upon opening the special container, Corry discovers that Allenby has left him with a feminine robot, named Alicia, to keep him company. At first, Corry detests it, rejecting Alicia as a mere machine; synthetic skin and wires inside. However, when Corry sees that Alicia is in fact capable of crying, he begins to fall in love with it.

When the ship returns, Captain Allenby brings news that Corry has been pardoned after a review of past murder cases. Corry, it seems, can return home to Earth immediately. Corry is delighted, until he learns that there is only room for 15 pounds of luggage, far too little for his robot companion. He frantically tries to find some way to take Alicia with him, arguing that it is not a robot, but a woman, and insisting that Allenby simply does not know it as he does. At that point, just as the rest of the transport crew is surprised at the sight of Alicia, Allenby suddenly draws his gun and shoots the robot in the face. The robot breaks down, malfunctioning, its face a mass of wire and broken circuitry, and Corry's illusion is presumably broken. He then takes Corry back to the ship, assuring him he will only be leaving behind loneliness.

[Surfing USA]

By the way, Dumbfounded, I would've recommended a puppy if I thought you were lonely.

I mentioned Alicia because it sounds like you could use a sex slave that won't sass back. :D

[TOOLBAGS]

Blast it all! I'm not bleeding lonely! Had some lousy "close encounters" and they just ain't worth the headache.
I DID see that 'Twilight Zone' episode, Surfing.
Didn't the astronaut lose it and kill the two-man rescue party at the end?

To reiterate-I'm alone by CHOICE-Not lonely as in "gawrsh! I jest haveta meet a gurl or I'll be real, real sad & lonely specially cus its the holiday season! Yup!"

In fact, I equate that "empty" and "painful feeling" which often describes lonliness for a mate with self-pity
(only for ME;Not a criteria by which I would deign to judge other people by).


See what I get for being brutally honest?
Toolbags says I'm a "poor guy" and you bring up the perfect 'Twilight Zone' episode title which I shall repeat describes something I'm NOT!

If there's a hell by some chance (hope there is),
ANY clown who kills themselves over losing a guy or girl in a committed relationship SHOULD suffer the torments of the damned for being so damned STUPID!!!

"...Continuing with our tour of Hell, we go from politicians to THIS circle of Hell, we torture the morons who killed themselves over some chick that dumped em' or cheated on em! Wow! They burn real good! Listen to em' wail like the lost souls they are!"


Back to the jist of the thread which is:
MOST Women are often shallow and mislead well-meant guys
and
MOST guys think with their, uh hormones and often regret their mistakes later on...
THAT or have an ear-to-ear grin and get to brag like the pigs we are!!!

I meant poor guy as in u have had some bad experiences with the ladies (apparently). I dont blame ya for being single if all the chicks u have encountered are as u describe. Although ive met a few as u describe, the women i have grown fond of are not as u describe, and there ar lots out there , u just have to be willing to find them.

[steven]

I mentioned Alicia because it sounds like you could use a sex slave that won't sass back. :D

Isnt that what we are all looking for? ;)

[mesue]

Isnt that what we are all looking for? ;)
Umm ...
no.
I like sassy ;) :p

[Save Us]

Jumpin in.....

Most women in a divorce case will be vindictive, on one hand want independence, and equality,, and the other side of the mouth,, its lets just see how much we can get.. and oh I need help I can't do it.

boy am I jaded... yes I know I need therapy:o

did you ever notice how they can be really cunning and mean if a relationship turns sour.. I mean I never even had the time or inclination to be so bitter.

[zanna vaida]

You have to refocus your brain and not to look and talk about this forum/subject agai.

Don't you anything else to do or discuss? Don't be bitter. Smile because life is beautiful.

[mesue]

... did you ever notice how they can be really cunning and mean if a relationship turns sour.. I mean I never even had the time or inclination to be so bitter.
Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned - William Congreve

[Save Us]

Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned - William Congreve


testify sister!

That's what I am talking about. ;)

[FMD]

I love how women preach all day long, how they dont like to 'play games' yet every woman I have ever MET. Not dated, but MET has had some time of game going.

To me, women are hypocritical, and LOVE drama. If they lack drama in their lives, they will actually go out of their way to create it.

Yet us nice guys, are constantly told 'youll find the one for you' Sorry but I call BS.

Lets be realistic here. Woman WANT to be mistreated. They WANT to be lied to. They WANT to be cheated on. This all creates drama, and gives them something to btch about. If they had no drama, what would they have to live for? Honestly.

[zanna vaida]

Women love drama? Who started this thred and who participate? :cool:

Life is a theather. We are actors. Enjoy the show!!

Create a game and test its players. Who do you admire? Who's popularly provocative?

[Steiny]

NO DRAMA!

Save the drama for your mama! :)

[CAugust]

I love how women preach all day long, how they dont like to 'play games' yet every woman I have ever MET. Not dated, but MET has had some time of game going.

To me, women are hypocritical, and LOVE drama. If they lack drama in their lives, they will actually go out of their way to create it.

Yet us nice guys, are constantly told 'youll find the one for you' Sorry but I call BS.

Lets be realistic here. Woman WANT to be mistreated. They WANT to be lied to. They WANT to be cheated on. This all creates drama, and gives them something to btch about. If they had no drama, what would they have to live for? Honestly.


omg lmao - were you drinking?

Who in God's name would...

want to be mistreated? not even a dog wants to be mistreated.

lied to? - - you are kidding right ?

cheated on ? - um yeah, all my friends are dying for their husbands to jump in the sack with someone else

You can't be serious, I must have missed the joke somewhere.............

If anyone has trouble finding a good mate, perhaps it is time to take a look inside yourself (women and men included) and see why this cycle is always taking you back to crazy people.....................

[TOOLBAGS]

I love how women preach all day long, how they dont like to 'play games' yet every woman I have ever MET. Not dated, but MET has had some time of game going.

To me, women are hypocritical, and LOVE drama. If they lack drama in their lives, they will actually go out of their way to create it.

Yet us nice guys, are constantly told 'youll find the one for you' Sorry but I call BS.

Lets be realistic here. Woman WANT to be mistreated. They WANT to be lied to. They WANT to be cheated on. This all creates drama, and gives them something to btch about. If they had no drama, what would they have to live for? Honestly.

Did your mom not hug u as a child? I either knew where to look or got real lucky! I love women. My sister, mom, nieces included! You guys need to get out more and find some real ladies, there are plenty of em!

[Save Us]

Did your mom not hug u as a child? I either knew where to look or got real lucky! I love women. My sister, mom, nieces included! You guys need to get out more and find some real ladies, there are plenty of em!


Me too,, I just don't like the post matrimonial BS of we want equal rights then its.... I need help :mad:

[Dumbfounded]

By the way, Dumbfounded, I would've recommended a puppy if I thought you were lonely.

I mentioned Alicia because it sounds like you could use a sex slave that won't sass back. :D

I like the sound of that, Surfing.
As long as she's a redhead, brunette or blonde, African American, Asian or Hungarian girl between 20-35 and brings an equally attractive friend with her.
I'm just afraid of what a female robot/android might do to me if she lost control during the "act!"
Think Bobbit gone wild!
Actually, Lorainna Bobbit has a hard time getting dates. Wonder why? Hmmmmmmmmmm....

Still...I'd rather have a few dogs as they're not "high maintenance" as most women are.
"Buy me THAT or you're not getting THIS!!!"

Ah, all the happy two-faced, self-gratifying deceitful, manipulative, cheating no-conscience pigs out there, you lucky guys you, treating women opposite of what they say they want!
Tough life, eh?

And I've heard "but they're empty inside...Lonely guys..."
No, they're happy as hell! Are you kidding me?!

[Riven37]

After several marriages, I decided to stay single because I felt it wasn't worth the hassle dealing with women on a daily event.

If a man gives too much to a women your considered weak.

If a man shows too much feelings he's considered weak.

If a man goes out with the boys he's considered a slut.

If a man drinks with the boys too much he's considered a drunk.

If a man talks little because its his nature he's viewed as a geeky type.

If a man is too firm he's abusive.

No matter how men act, feel, talk, women see him as a tool.

Therefore, stay single, just date where you maintain your control, and when its no longer any fun......walk away, and find another playmate.

[Save Us]

After several marriages, I decided to stay single because I felt it wasn't worth the hassle dealing with women on a daily event.

If a man gives too much to a women your considered weak.

If a man shows too much feelings he's considered weak.

If a man goes out with the boys he's considered a slut.

If a man drinks with the boys too much he's considered a drunk.

If a man talks little because its his nature he's viewed as a geeky type.

If a man is too firm he's abusive.

No matter how men act, feel, talk, women see him as a tool.

Therefore, stay single, just date where you maintain your control, and when its no longer any fun......walk away, and find another playmate.


If a man has an income he is a paycheck

If he has lost his job he is a delinquent and a deadbeat.

In a divorce action 50% of men will be accussed of spousal or child abuse.

Now Riven's post is perfect!