Tough question #2

[Bringthetruth]

Acts chapter 5

How about annanias and sapphira were they born again believers ?

Were they lost for eternity when they lied to the Holy Spirit and Apostles about the price they sold their properties for?

Heb 3-12 says this "Take heed bretheren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in DEPARTING from the living God.
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Too many believe once save always saved. I just can't believe that.

How can some depart the faith like it speaks of in 1 TIM 4-1 if they never had the faith.

Scripture says:1 Tim 4-1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

[Sylvan]

Acts chapter 5

How about annanias and sapphira were they born again believers ?

Were they lost for eternity when they lied to the Holy Spirit and Apostles about the price they sold their properties for?

Heb 3-12 says this "Take heed bretheren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in DEPARTING from the living God.
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Too many believe once save always saved. I just can't believe that.

How can some depart the faith like it speaks of in 1 TIM 4-1 if they never had the faith.

Scripture says:1 Tim 4-1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

The message of those words are from one human to another human translated as, if you ignore your human instincts and allow yourself to be fooled into blindly believing (faith) in things that you dont understand (gods) then you are wasting your life and are better off dead for the sake of your species.

[mesue]

Acts chapter 5

How about annanias and sapphira were they born again believers ?

Were they lost for eternity when they lied to the Holy Spirit and Apostles about the price they sold their properties for?

Heb 3-12 says this "Take heed bretheren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in DEPARTING from the living God.
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Too many believe once save always saved. I just can't believe that.

How can some depart the faith like it speaks of in 1 TIM 4-1 if they never had the faith.

Scripture says:1 Tim 4-1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Do you know for a fact they were saved in the first place?

[mesue]

Jesus promised that I cannot lose my salvation:

All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. (John 6:37)
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. (John 10:27-29)
Further, that I cannot do anything to lose my salvation because salvation is by grace through faith, and not by works. It is a gift from God. No man can lose his salvation on his own, because no man earned his salvation.For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9)
If I had to do anything to earn or keep my salvation, I would easily lose it. For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. (Galatians 3:10)
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. (James 2:10) <O:pYet 2 Timothy assures us it is Jesus Christ who keeps us, not we ourselves. For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. <O:p(2 Timothy 1:12) <O:pGalatians 2:21 states clearly that if we could become righteous by anything we do, then Jesus Christ’s death was in vein. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. (Galatians 2:21) [/b]God won’t cast me out, no man can cause me to lose my salvation, I cannot lose it myself and there is nothing else to make me lose my salvation
<O:pFor I am persuaded, that neither /B][B]death, - you cannot lose it when you die
nor life, - you cannot lose it while you’re alive
nor angels, - cannot take it away from you
nor principalities, - the government can’t take it from you.
nor powers, - the devil cannot cause you to lose it
nor things present, - nothing happening right now
nor things to come, - nothing happening in the future.
Nor height, - nothing above you.
<O:pnor depth, - nothing below you.
nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 8:38-39)
Does this mean I can go on and knowingly sin? Absolutely not! What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. (Romans 6:15) pBut how I serve the Lord while here on earth will be judged. Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. (1Corinthians 3:13-15)

[Bringthetruth]

Can anybody address anninias and sapphira issue ? Were they believers or not.

Of course they were believers, If no consequences followed the act of this love of money -greed in the early church, then people being dishonest would appear profitable.

Compare this divine judgment at the beginning of the church era with God's Judgment on Nadab and Abihu (lev 10-2) or Achan (josh 7-25) .

[Bringthetruth]

KJV 1 Tim 4-1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons


Amplified 1Tim 4-11BUT THE [Holy] Spirit distinctly and expressly declares that in latter times some will turn away from the faith, giving attention to deluding and seducing spirits and doctrines that demons teach.

Now how can one abandon the faith unless they were in the faith ?

[Bringthetruth]

I guess nobody's gonna answer this one huh ^ ?

[mesue]

KJV 1 Tim 4-1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons


Amplified 1Tim 4-11BUT THE [Holy] Spirit distinctly and expressly declares that in latter times some will turn away from the faith, giving attention to deluding and seducing spirits and doctrines that demons teach.

Now how can one abandon the faith unless they were in the faith ?
depends on where the faith was in the first place. Not all who say Lord, lord will enter into heaven.

[zanna vaida]

I guess nobody's gonna answer this one huh ^ ?

Can you answer for us, please?

[BuffalosFinest]

Can you answer for us, please?
What is the answer?

[Bringthetruth]

Can you answer for us, please?

The answer is You can abandon the faith.

Now those who choose to endure to the end shall be saved.

For anyone to say that we can't abandon the faith isn't being honest.

God didn't make us robots after we accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.

We still have to make ongoing decsions after we accept him, he wants us to serve him with our own free will. But he gave us the Holy Spirit to comfort us and help us. But when we start to Grieving the Spirit
then Resisting the Spirit
you will eventually quench the Spirit and the results are a Hard heart.



In 1 Tim it talks about those who will depart the faith because of an decieving spirits .



The decieving spirits are the enemy, and when you are in a war day and night there are most likely casulties.

[Bringthetruth]

Will anyone who understands these verses answer this ?

[Bringthetruth]

I hope this weekend we come to some kind of conclusion to this issue of ananias and Sapphira.

[Bringthetruth]

I guess nobody is gonna touch this huh?

was aninias and saphhira believers? If so did they go to heaven ?

[steven]

I guess nobody is gonna touch this huh?

I am not knowledgeable enough on this subject to debate it, sorry.:o

[mesue]

I am not knowledgeable enough on this subject to debate it, sorry.:o
I am, but I am on faux ignore :p