How Can It Be???

[run4it]

How is it that this gem hasn't been commented on here in over a day since it broke?

Alaska Senator accused of receiving $250K in gifts, services from company

Gov'tchick? ILoved? Lacks? bLowHardy? Where are all of you faithful stalwarts against corruption and fraud?

Oh, wait....it's a REPUBLICAN that's in trouble. Not worth commenting on, I suppose...

[griz]

Perhaps you should read more than just headlines of the story. He's accused of not fully disclosing gifts received from the contractor. The gifts themselves aren't the legal issue here, although it's a reflection of his character I suppose. I'm willing to bet $250k in perks is a drop in the bucket for any senator, especially one who's been in office since 1968.

Really, it's not big news. The only reason it's gone anywhere on the internet is because he's the 'tubes' guy.

[ILOVEDNY]

How is it that this gem hasn't been commented on here in over a day since it broke?

Alaska Senator accused of receiving $250K in gifts, services from company

Gov'tchick? ILoved? Lacks? bLowHardy? Where are all of you faithful stalwarts against corruption and fraud?

I'll wait until the charges have been proven in court.
Just like we are waiting for the court case on William "Cold Cash" Jefferson

[run4it]

Oh, good...explain it away with "it's not that much in the scheme of things." Stevens is the first Senator indicted in 2 decades. It may just be a little more serious than your garden variety "side deal."

ILoved...since when have you been interested in legal proof in what you say or write? (for the record, Willie Jeff is guilty as sin, and we all know it).

[qu1nn]

Lobbyism in all forms (including 'gifts') should be illegal.

I think that it could be one of the most important changes that could be brought about in order to make things within the american political system better.


qu1nn

[Mr. Lackawanna]

Run4it how love to bash Republicans for alleged crimes. You can't even wait untill they are proven guilty. The senator from Alaska has not been convected of anything yet. How quick you forget the crooked Democrats who are or have been in office. Have you forgotten the alleged crimes against the Clinton's or the conviction of House Ways and Means Committee chairman Dan Rostenkowski (D-IL).

[mesue]

I'm not republican, just wondering, is $250K all that much nowadays? 1 million isn't anymore and $250,000 is far less. Not that I would refuse $250K, just wondering out loud in a message posting sorta way.

[Foot Fungus]

Originally Posted by Mr. Lackawanna

Liberals Love to Bash Republicans

Now all we need is for someone to say "Conservatives Love To Bash Democrats".

The two of you can repeatedly scream this at each other until you run out of breath, turn blue and pass out.

I hope you both have headaches when you wake up.

Why God!? Why!? When will they learn that neither of these parties believes in anything anymore, yet they profess their loyalty and follow them blindly like lemmings going over the cliff!? Why!?

[lierd6109]

Stevens is the first Senator indicted in 2 decades.

That's because the Senate has been Republican dominated for three decades. If you want to find indicted crooks you'll have to look to the House Democrats like Jim Traficant and William Jefferson for starters. Actually it's a pretty long list. There's a reason why nearly every mob boss and trade union racketeer since Roosevelt has hand their hand in a Democrat's pocket.

Are the many millions of dollars Obama got for his greedy contractor friends in Chicago important to you?

Democrats - the party of queers, trade union racketeers, and organized crime mobsters, and which still buys the black vote for five bucks a head in urban areas. There's a reason we have the term "Chicago Style Election" and we owe it all to Democrats. I dare you to go into a courthouse anywhere in Illinois, Missouri, Ohio, or Jersey and try to get a job sweeping floors if you're not a registered Democrat. For Democrats it's all about getting themselves into a position to take bribes. We've got bad Republicans too, but at least your chances are still somewhat better with them. I can at least name a handful of good people who are Republican politicians. I don't know of any good Democrats. I'm not saying there aren't any, but I sure can't think of a single one that doesn't have dirt on him/her.

[Foot Fungus]

Originally Posted by lierd6109

Democrats - the party of queers, trade union racketeers, and organized crime mobsters, and which still buys the black vote for five bucks a head in urban areas. There's a reason we have the term "Chicago Style Election" and we owe it all to Democrats. I dare you to go into a courthouse anywhere in Illinois, Missouri, Ohio, or Jersey and try to get a job sweeping floors if you're not a registered Democrat. For Democrats it's all about getting themselves into a position to take bribes. We've got bad Republicans too, but at least your chances are still somewhat better with them. I can at least name a handful of good people who are Republican politicians. I don't know of any good Democrats. I'm not saying there aren't any, but I sure can't think of a single one that doesn't have dirt on him/her.

That was awesome. It's amazing in this day and age that anyone can stick up for politicians and political parties so vehemently.

I'm impressed.

lierd6109, they all have dirt on them, they're politicians. The sad thing is that only some of them get caught.

[run4it]

Run4it how love to bash Republicans for alleged crimes. You can't even wait untill they are proven guilty. The senator from Alaska has not been convected of anything yet. How quick you forget the crooked Democrats who are or have been in office. Have you forgotten the alleged crimes against the Clinton's or the conviction of House Ways and Means Committee chairman Dan Rostenkowski (D-IL).
You're daft. First you complain that Stevens "hasn't even been proven guilty." Then you complain about the "alleged crimes against (of) the Clintons". Guess who was never even INDICTED for any of those "crimes"? That's right, the Clintons. Guess who WAS the first Senator to be indicted in 25 years? That's right! Stevens.

I do believe, Lacks, that you were one of the ones to pile on William Jefferson. He still hasn't been convicted of anything. Which of these words do you wish to eat, Mr. Lackawanna?

My point wasn't that the Democrats are perfect. My point was (and you're doing a wonderful job of illustrating it) that many of you (especially you, Lacks) love to point out Democrats who have problems, but somehow keep mum, or do a great job of explaining away, Republican misdoings.

I could care less if Stevens got free home improvement. He's an idiot for doing it in a way that was blatant enough to be the first Senator charged in 25 years...but that's his bag. What I could care about is those of you who only want to shout about corruption when it's done by the other "team."

[huh]

Google republican sex scandals

[mesue]

Google republican sex scandals
or democratic sex scandals.
Really, do you NEED to?

[huh]

1700000 for republicans 517000 for democrats

[lierd6109]

1700000 for republicans 517000 for democrats

Now try finding individual republicans and democrats involved in sex crimes or adultry rather than 1700000 hits for the same small handfull of Republicans. When a Republican gets caught it's big news because it doesn't happen often, and it automatically generates a ton of web pages. In case you hadn't noticed, goofballs rule the idiotnet. Try googling "space aliens", "conspircay theory", "Mystical Kabala", or "New World Order" and you'll find a gazillion web pages about them, 90% of which were written by some 40 year old Democrat with mental problems living in his mom's basement.

[qu1nn]

A majority of you live in fantasy land.
There are no political parties...
it is a controlled environment which has been designed to make you THINK that you have a choice and more importantly to keep you distracted.

on a similar note:

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[Foot Fungus]

Originally Posted by lierd6109

Now try finding individual republicans and democrats involved in sex crimes or adultry rather than 1700000 hits for the same small handfull of Republicans. When a Republican gets caught it's big news because it doesn't happen often, and it automatically generates a ton of web pages.

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Originally Posted by qu1nn

A majority of you live in fantasy land.
There are no political parties...
it is a controlled environment which has been designed to make you THINK that you have a choice and more importantly to keep you distracted.

Exactly.

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[lierd6109]

Ooookaaayyeee....

I like your toe tag anyway.

[run4it]

Now try finding individual republicans and democrats involved in sex crimes or adultry rather than 1700000 hits for the same small handfull of Republicans. When a Republican gets caught it's big news because it doesn't happen often, and it automatically generates a ton of web pages. In case you hadn't noticed, goofballs rule the idiotnet. Try googling "space aliens", "conspircay theory", "Mystical Kabala", or "New World Order" and you'll find a gazillion web pages about them, 90% of which were written by some 40 year old Democrat with mental problems living in his mom's basement.
Number of US Senators who have been indicted while in office: 10
Number of those who were Republicans: 8

'nuff said?

Oh, and for the record, the Repubs have NOT controlled the Senate for the past 20 years. The Dems controlled it from the Reagan years through 1994, then regained in 2006. So going back 20 years, the Repubs have had slim majorities for only 12, and slim minorities for 8.

[lierd6109]

I don't know where your numbers come from, but they appear to be incorrect.

US Attorneys have prosecuted 7 times as many Democrats as Republics since 2000. More republicans have been convicted, but the democratic mafia is pretty good about making evidence disapear. But if you really want to get into numbers of indictments and convictions concerning pubs and dems, try looking at local governments where every other week dems are going to jail on corruption charges. If Stevens' indictment isn't big news in AK, that's probably because the 6 democrats who have been indicted there during recent years overshadows it considerably. Hell, he'll probably get re-elected simply because he's still better than the trash he's running against. Yes, he's a bad guy, as is his son, (I was stationed at Ft Rich in 77-78) and I've never understood why he was so popular, but in this case it's a matter of electing a bad guy who's still better than the other bad guys. Sad but true.

As to who has had the majority in the senate, I said, "That's because the Senate has been Republican dominated for three decades." Not two decades. It's been a tie for the past two. This is from the US Senate website (http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/one_item_and_teasers/partydiv.htm):

1980-83 republicans
1983-85 republicans
1985-87 republicans
1987-89 democrats
1989-91 democrats
1991-93 democrats
1993-95 democrats
1993-95 democrats
1995-97 republicans
1997-99 republicans
1999-01 republicans
2001-03 tie at 50 seats each
2003-05 republicans
2005-07 republicans
2007-09 democrats

I count 8 republican to 6 democratic run Senates there along with one tie covering almost 3 decades.

[Mr. Lackawanna]

Number of US Senators who have been indicted while in office: 10
Number of those who were Republicans: 8

'nuff said?

Oh, and for the record, the Repubs have NOT controlled the Senate for the past 20 years. The Dems controlled it from the Reagan years through 1994, then regained in 2006. So going back 20 years, the Repubs have had slim majorities for only 12, and slim minorities for 8.

Here are a few of your honest Democrats friends. Let not be throwing stones at Republicans only.



Scandals involving leaders from the Democrat Party

William Jefferson Clinton- Impeached by the House of Representatives over allegations of perjury and obstruction of justice, but acquitted by the
Senate. Scandals include Whitewater - Travelgate Gennifer Flowersgate - Filegate - Vince Fostergate - Whitewater Billing Recordsgate - Paula
Jonesgate- Lincoln Bedroomgate - Donations from Convicted Drug and Weapons Dealersgate - Lippogate - Chinagate - The Lewinsky Affair - Perjury and
Jobs for Lewinskygate - Kathleen Willeygate - Web Hubbell PRISON Phone Callgate - Selling Military Technology to the Chinesegate - Jaunita
Broaddrick Gate - Lootergate – Pardongate

Edward Moore Kennedy - Democrat - U. S. Senator from Massachusetts. Pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, after his car plunged
off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne.

Barney Frank - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1981 to present. Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute,
for sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution. A move to
expel Frank from the House of Representatives failed and a motion to censure him failed.

DNC - The Federal Election Commission imposed $719,000 in fines against participants in the 1996 Democratic Party fundraising scandals involving
contributions from China, Korea and other foreign sources. The Federal Election Commission said it decided to drop cases against contributors of
more than $3 million in illegal DNC contributions because the respondents left the country or the corporations are defunct.

Sandy Berger - Democrat - National Security Advisor during the Clinton Administration. Berger became the focus of a criminal investigation after
removing highly classified terrorism documents and handwritten notes from
the National Archives during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission
hearings.

Robert Torricelli - Democrat - Withdrew from the 2002 Senate race with less than 30 days before the election because of controversy over personal
gifts he took from a major campaign donor and questions about campaign donations from 1996.

James McGreevey - Democrat - New Jersey Governor . Admitted to having a gay affair. Resigned after allegations of sexual harassment, rumors of
being blackmailed on top of fundraising investigations and indictments.

Jesse Jackson - Democrat - Democratic candidate for President. Admitted to having an extramarital affair and fathering a illegitimate child.

Gary Condit - Democrat - US Democratic Congressman from California. Condit had an affair with an intern. Condit, covered up the affair and lied to
police after she went missing. No charges were ever filed against Condit. Her remains were discovered in a Washington DC park.

Eliot Spitzer- Democrat - New York governor - resigned from office after being tied to a prostitution ring.

Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde - Democrat - the son of newly elected U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, was booked on charges of criminal damage to property for
allegedly slashing tires on 20 vans and cars rented by the Republican Party for use in Election Day voter turnout efforts.

Daniel David Rostenkowski - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1959 to 1995. Indicted on 17 felony charges- pleaded guilty to two
counts of misuse of public funds and sentenced to seventeen months in federal PRISON.

Melvin Jay Reynolds - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1993 to 1995. Convicted on sexual misconduct and obstruction of justice charges and
sentenced to five years in PRISON.

Charles Coles Diggs, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Michigan from 1955 to 1980. Convicted on eleven counts of mail fraud and filing
false payroll forms- sentenced to three years in PRISON.

George Rogers - Democrat - Massachusetts State House of Representatives from 1965 to 1970. M000ember of Massachusetts State Senate from 1975 to
1978. Convicted of bribery in 1978 and sentenced to two years in PRISON.

Don Siegelman - Democrat Governor Alabama - indicted in a bid-rigging scheme involving a maternity-care program. The charges accused Siegelman
and his former chief of staff of helping Tuscaloosa physician Phillip Bobo rig bids. Siegelman was accused of moving $550,000 from the state
education budget to the State Fire College in Tuscaloosa so Bobo could use the money to pay off a competitor for a state contract for maternity care.

John Murtha, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania. Implicated in the Abscam sting, in which FBI agents impersonating Arab
businessmen offered bribes to political figures; Murtha was cited as an unindicted co-conspirator

Gerry Eastman Studds - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1973 to 1997. The first openly gay member of Congress. Censured by
the House of Representatives for having sexual relations with a teenage House page.

James C. Green - Democrat - North Carolina State House of Representatives from 1961 to 1977. Charged with accepting a bribe from an undercover FBI
agent, but was acquitted. Convicted of tax evasion in 1997.

Frederick Richmond - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1975 to 1982. Arrested in Washington, D.C., in 1978 for soliciting sex
from a minor and from an undercover police officer - pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor. Also - charged with tax evasion, marijuana possession, and
improper payments to a federal employee - pleaded guilty.

Raymond Lederer - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1977 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery and
sentenced to three years in PRISON and fined $20,000.

Harrison Arlington Williams, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Senator from New Jersey from 1959 to 1970. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Allegedly accepted an
18% interest in a titanium mine. Convicted of nine counts of bribery, conspiracy, receiving an unlawful gratuity, conflict of interest, and
interstate travel in aid of racketeering. Sentenced to three years in PRISON and fined $50,000.

Frank Thompson, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1955 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting, convicted on bribery and
conspiracy charges. Sentenced to three years in PRISON

Michael Joseph Myers - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1976 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery
and conspiracy; sentenced to three years in PRISON and fined $20,000; expelled from the House of Representatives on October 2, 1980.

John Michael Murphy - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1963 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted of conspiracy,
conflict of interest, and accepting an illegal gratuity. Sentenced to three years in PRISON and fined $20,000.

John Wilson Jenrette, Jr - Democrat - U.S. Representative from South Carolina from 1975 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted on
bribery and conspiracy charges and sentenced to PRISON

Neil Goldschmidt - Democrat - Oregon governor. Admitted to having an illegal sexual relationship with a 14-year-old teenager while he was
serving as Mayor of Portland.

Alcee Lamar Hastings - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Florida. Impeached and removed from office as federal judge in 1989 over bribery
charges.

Marion Barry - Democrat - mayor of Washington, D.C., from 1979 to 1991 and again from 1995 to 1999. Convicted of cocaine possession after being
caught on videotape smoking crack cocaine. Sentenced to six months in PRISON.

Mario Biaggi - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1969 to 1988. Indicted on federal charges that he had accepted bribes in return
for influence on federal contracts.Convicted of obstructing justice and accepting illegal gratuities. Tried in 1988 on federal racketeering
charges and convicted on 15 felony counts.

Lee Alexander - Democrat - Mayor of Syracuse, N.Y. from 1970 to 1985. Was indicted over a $1.5 million kickback scandal. Pleaded guilty to
racketeering and tax evasion charges. Served six years in PRISON.

Bill Campbell - Democrat - Mayor of Atlanta. Indicted and charged with fraud over claims he accepted improper payments from contractors seeking
city contracts.

Frank Ballance - Democrat - Congressman North Carolina. Pleaded guilty to one charge of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and money laundering related
to mishandling of money by his charitable foundation.

Hazel O'Leary - Democrat - Secretary of Energy during the Clinton Administration - O'leary took trips all over the world as Secretary with
as many 50 staff members and at times rented a plane, which was used by Madonna during her concert tours.

Lafayette Thomas - Democrat - Candidate for Tennessee State House of Representatives in 1954. Sheriff of Davidson County, from 1972 to 1990.
Indicted in federal court on 54 counts of abusing his power as sheriff. Pleaded guilty to theft and mail fraud; sentenced to five years in PRISON.
Mary Rose Oakar - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Ohio from 1977 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor charges of funneling $16,000
through fake donors.

David Giles - Democrat - candidate for U.S. Representative from Washington in 1986 and 1990. Convicted in June 2000 of child rape.
Gary Siplin - Democrat state senator Florida- found guilty of third-degree grand theft of $5,000 or more, a felony, and using services of employees
for his candidacy.

Edward Mezvinsky - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Iowa from 1973 to 1977. Indicted on 56 federal fraud charges.

Lena Swanson - Democrat - Member of Washington State Senate in 1997. Pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting unlawful payments from veterans
and former prisoners of war.

Abraham J. Hirschfeld - Democrat - candidate in Democratic primary for U.S. Senator from New York in 1974 and 1976. Offered Paula Jones $1
million to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against President Bill Clinton. Convicted in 2000 of trying to hire a hit man to kill his
business partner.

Henry Cisneros - Democrat - U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development from 1993 to 1997. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of
lying to the FBI.

James A. Traficant Jr. - Member of House of Representatives from Ohio. Expelled from Congress after being convicted of corruption charges.
Sentenced today to eight years in PRISON for accepting bribes and kickbacks.

John Doug Hays - Democrat - member of Kentucky State Senate from 1980 to 1982 Found guilty of mail fraud for submitting false campaign reports
stemming from an unsuccessful run for judge. He was sentenced to six months in PRISON to be followed by six months of home confinement and
three years of probation.

Henry J. Cianfrani - Democrat - Pennsylvania State Senate from 1967 to 1976. Convicted on federal charges of racketeering and mail fraud for
padding his Senate payroll. Sentenced to five years in federal PRISON.

David Hall - Democrat - Governor of Oklahoma from 1971 to 1975. Indicted on extortion and conspiracy charges. Convicted and sentenced to three
years in PRISON.

John A. Celona - Democrat - A former state senator was charged with the three counts of mail fraud. Federal prosecutors accused him of defrauding
the state and collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars from CVS Corp.and others while serving in the legislature. Celona has agreed to plead
guilty to taking money from the CVS pharmacy chain and other companies that had interest in legislation. Under the deal, Celona agreed to
cooperate with investigators. He faces up to five years in federal PRISON on each of the three counts and a $250,000 fine


Allan Turner Howe - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Utah from 1975 to 1977. Arrested for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute.

Jerry Cosentino - Democrat - Illinois State Treasurer. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud - fined $5,000 and sentenced to nine months home confinement.

Joseph Waggonner Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Louisiana from 1961 to 1979. Arrested in Washington, D.C. for soliciting a policewoman
posing as a prostitute.

Albert G. Bustamante - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Texas from 1985 to 1993. Convicted in 1993 on racketeering and bribery charges and
sentenced to PRISON.

Lawrence Jack Smith - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Florida from 1983 to 1993. Sentenced to three months in federal PRISON for tax evasion.
David Lee Walters - Democrat - Governor of Oklahoma from 1991 to 1995. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor election law violation.

James Guy Tucker, Jr. - Democrat - Governor of Arkansas from 1992 to 1996. Resigned in July 1996 after conviction on federal fraud charges as part of
the Whitewater investigation.

Walter Rayford Tucker - Democrat - Mayor of Compton, California from 1991 to 1992; U.S. Representative from California from 1993 to 1995. Sentenced
to 27 months in PRISON for extortion and tax evasion.

William McCuen - Democrat - Secretary of State of Arkansas from 1985 to 1995. Admitted accepting kickbacks from two supporters he gave jobs, and
not paying taxes on the money. Admitted to conspiring with a political consultant to split $53,560 embezzled from the state in a sham
transaction. He was indicted on corruption charges. Pleaded guilty to felony counts tax evasion and accepting a kickback. Sentenced to 17 years
in PRISON.

Walter Fauntroy - Democrat - Delegate to U.S. Congress from the District of Columbia from 1971 to 1991. Charged in federal court with making false
statements on financial disclosure forms. Pleaded guilty to one felony
count and sentenced to probation.

Carroll Hubbard, Jr. - Democrat - Kentucky State Senate from 1968 to 1975 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1975 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to
conspiring to defraud the Federal Elections Commission and to theft of government property; sentenced to three years in PRISON.

Joseph Kolter - Democrat - member of Pennsylvania State House of Representatives from 1969 to 1982 and U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1983 to 1993. Indicted by a Federal grand jury on five felony charges of embezzlement at the U.S. House post office. Pleaded
guilty.

Webster Hubbell - Democrat - Chief Justice of Arkansas State Supreme Court in 1983. Pleaded guilty to federal mail fraud and tax evasion charges
sentenced to 21 months in PRISON.

Nicholas Mavroules - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1979 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to charges of tax fraud and accepting
gratuities while in office.

Carl Christopher Perkins - Democrat - Kentucky State House of Representatives from 1981 to 1984 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1985 to
1993. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud in connection with the House banking scandal. Perkins wrote overdrafts totaling about $300,000.
Pleaded guilty to charges of filing false statements with the Federal Election Commission and false financial disclosure reports. Sentenced to
21 months in PRISON.

Richard Hanna - Democrat - U.S. Representative from California from 1963 to 1974. Received payments of about $200,000 from a Korean businessman in
what became known as the "Koreagate" influence buying scandal. Pleaded guilty and sentenced to federal PRISON.

Angelo Errichetti - Democrat - New Jersey State Senator was sentenced to six years in PRISON and fined $40,000 for his involvement in Abscam.
Daniel Baugh Brewster - Democrat - U.S. Senator from Maryland. Indicted on charges of accepting illegal gratuity while in Senate.

Thomas Joseph Dodd - Democrat - U.S. Senator from Connecticut. Censured by the Senate for financial improprieties, having diverted $116,000 in
campaign and testimonial funds to his own use

Edward Fretwell Prichard, Jr. - Democrat - Delegate to Democratic National Convention from Kentucky. Convicted of vote fraud in federal court in
connection with ballot-box stuffing. Served five months in PRISON.

Jerry Springer - Democrat - Resigned from Cincinnati City Council in 1974 after admitting to paying a prostitute with a personal check, which was
found in a police raid on a massage parlor.

Guy Hamilton Jones, Sr. - Democrat -Arkansas State Senate. Convicted on federal tax charges and expelled from the Arkansas Senate.
Daniel Flood - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1945 to 1947, 1949 to 1953 and 1955 to 1980. Pleaded guilty to a conspiracy
charge involving payoffs and sentenced to probation.

Otto Kerner, Jr - Democrat - Governor of Illinois from 1961 to 1968. While serving as Governor, he and another official made a gain of over $300,000
in a stock deal. Convicted on 17 counts of bribery, conspiracy, perjury, and related charges. Sentenced to three years in federal PRISON and fined
$50,000.

George Crockett, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Michigan. Served four months in federal PRISON for contempt of court following his
defense of a Communist leader on trial for advocating the overthrow of the government.

Cornelius Edward Gallagher - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1959 to 1973. Indicted on federal charges of income tax
evasion, conspiracy, and perjury.

Mark B. Jimenez - Democrat fundraiser - sentenced to 27 months in PRISON on charges of tax evasion and conspiracy to defraud the United States and
commit election financing offenses.

Bobby Lee Rush - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Illinois. As a Black Panther, spent six months in PRISON on a weapons charge.

Bolley ''Bo'' Johnson - Democrat - Former Florida House Speaker - received a two-year term for tax evasion.

Roger L. Green - Democrat - Brooklyn Democrat Assemblyman. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor for accepting travel reimbursement for trips he did not
pay for and was sentenced to fines and probation.

Gloria Davis - Democrat - Bronx assemblywoman. Pleaded guilty to second-degree bribe-taking.

[Dumbfounded]

Here are a few of your honest Democrats friends. Let not be throwing stones at Republicans only.



Scandals involving leaders from the Democrat Party

William Jefferson Clinton- Impeached by the House of Representatives over allegations of perjury and obstruction of justice, but acquitted by the
Senate. Scandals include Whitewater - Travelgate Gennifer Flowersgate - Filegate - Vince Fostergate - Whitewater Billing Recordsgate - Paula
Jonesgate- Lincoln Bedroomgate - Donations from Convicted Drug and Weapons Dealersgate - Lippogate - Chinagate - The Lewinsky Affair - Perjury and
Jobs for Lewinskygate - Kathleen Willeygate - Web Hubbell PRISON Phone Callgate - Selling Military Technology to the Chinesegate - Jaunita
Broaddrick Gate - Lootergate – Pardongate

Edward Moore Kennedy - Democrat - U. S. Senator from Massachusetts. Pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, after his car plunged
off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne.

Barney Frank - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1981 to present. Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute,
for sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution. A move to
expel Frank from the House of Representatives failed and a motion to censure him failed.

DNC - The Federal Election Commission imposed $719,000 in fines against participants in the 1996 Democratic Party fundraising scandals involving
contributions from China, Korea and other foreign sources. The Federal Election Commission said it decided to drop cases against contributors of
more than $3 million in illegal DNC contributions because the respondents left the country or the corporations are defunct.

Sandy Berger - Democrat - National Security Advisor during the Clinton Administration. Berger became the focus of a criminal investigation after
removing highly classified terrorism documents and handwritten notes from
the National Archives during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission
hearings.

Robert Torricelli - Democrat - Withdrew from the 2002 Senate race with less than 30 days before the election because of controversy over personal
gifts he took from a major campaign donor and questions about campaign donations from 1996.

James McGreevey - Democrat - New Jersey Governor . Admitted to having a gay affair. Resigned after allegations of sexual harassment, rumors of
being blackmailed on top of fundraising investigations and indictments.

Jesse Jackson - Democrat - Democratic candidate for President. Admitted to having an extramarital affair and fathering a illegitimate child.

Gary Condit - Democrat - US Democratic Congressman from California. Condit had an affair with an intern. Condit, covered up the affair and lied to
police after she went missing. No charges were ever filed against Condit. Her remains were discovered in a Washington DC park.

Eliot Spitzer- Democrat - New York governor - resigned from office after being tied to a prostitution ring.

Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde - Democrat - the son of newly elected U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, was booked on charges of criminal damage to property for
allegedly slashing tires on 20 vans and cars rented by the Republican Party for use in Election Day voter turnout efforts.

Daniel David Rostenkowski - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1959 to 1995. Indicted on 17 felony charges- pleaded guilty to two
counts of misuse of public funds and sentenced to seventeen months in federal PRISON.

Melvin Jay Reynolds - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1993 to 1995. Convicted on sexual misconduct and obstruction of justice charges and
sentenced to five years in PRISON.

Charles Coles Diggs, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Michigan from 1955 to 1980. Convicted on eleven counts of mail fraud and filing
false payroll forms- sentenced to three years in PRISON.

George Rogers - Democrat - Massachusetts State House of Representatives from 1965 to 1970. M000ember of Massachusetts State Senate from 1975 to
1978. Convicted of bribery in 1978 and sentenced to two years in PRISON.

Don Siegelman - Democrat Governor Alabama - indicted in a bid-rigging scheme involving a maternity-care program. The charges accused Siegelman
and his former chief of staff of helping Tuscaloosa physician Phillip Bobo rig bids. Siegelman was accused of moving $550,000 from the state
education budget to the State Fire College in Tuscaloosa so Bobo could use the money to pay off a competitor for a state contract for maternity care.

John Murtha, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania. Implicated in the Abscam sting, in which FBI agents impersonating Arab
businessmen offered bribes to political figures; Murtha was cited as an unindicted co-conspirator

Gerry Eastman Studds - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1973 to 1997. The first openly gay member of Congress. Censured by
the House of Representatives for having sexual relations with a teenage House page.

James C. Green - Democrat - North Carolina State House of Representatives from 1961 to 1977. Charged with accepting a bribe from an undercover FBI
agent, but was acquitted. Convicted of tax evasion in 1997.

Frederick Richmond - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1975 to 1982. Arrested in Washington, D.C., in 1978 for soliciting sex
from a minor and from an undercover police officer - pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor. Also - charged with tax evasion, marijuana possession, and
improper payments to a federal employee - pleaded guilty.

Raymond Lederer - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1977 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery and
sentenced to three years in PRISON and fined $20,000.

Harrison Arlington Williams, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Senator from New Jersey from 1959 to 1970. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Allegedly accepted an
18% interest in a titanium mine. Convicted of nine counts of bribery, conspiracy, receiving an unlawful gratuity, conflict of interest, and
interstate travel in aid of racketeering. Sentenced to three years in PRISON and fined $50,000.

Frank Thompson, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1955 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting, convicted on bribery and
conspiracy charges. Sentenced to three years in PRISON

Michael Joseph Myers - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1976 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery
and conspiracy; sentenced to three years in PRISON and fined $20,000; expelled from the House of Representatives on October 2, 1980.

John Michael Murphy - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1963 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted of conspiracy,
conflict of interest, and accepting an illegal gratuity. Sentenced to three years in PRISON and fined $20,000.

John Wilson Jenrette, Jr - Democrat - U.S. Representative from South Carolina from 1975 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted on
bribery and conspiracy charges and sentenced to PRISON

Neil Goldschmidt - Democrat - Oregon governor. Admitted to having an illegal sexual relationship with a 14-year-old teenager while he was
serving as Mayor of Portland.

Alcee Lamar Hastings - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Florida. Impeached and removed from office as federal judge in 1989 over bribery
charges.

Marion Barry - Democrat - mayor of Washington, D.C., from 1979 to 1991 and again from 1995 to 1999. Convicted of cocaine possession after being
caught on videotape smoking crack cocaine. Sentenced to six months in PRISON.

Mario Biaggi - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1969 to 1988. Indicted on federal charges that he had accepted bribes in return
for influence on federal contracts.Convicted of obstructing justice and accepting illegal gratuities. Tried in 1988 on federal racketeering
charges and convicted on 15 felony counts.

Lee Alexander - Democrat - Mayor of Syracuse, N.Y. from 1970 to 1985. Was indicted over a $1.5 million kickback scandal. Pleaded guilty to
racketeering and tax evasion charges. Served six years in PRISON.

Bill Campbell - Democrat - Mayor of Atlanta. Indicted and charged with fraud over claims he accepted improper payments from contractors seeking
city contracts.

Frank Ballance - Democrat - Congressman North Carolina. Pleaded guilty to one charge of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and money laundering related
to mishandling of money by his charitable foundation.

Hazel O'Leary - Democrat - Secretary of Energy during the Clinton Administration - O'leary took trips all over the world as Secretary with
as many 50 staff members and at times rented a plane, which was used by Madonna during her concert tours.

Lafayette Thomas - Democrat - Candidate for Tennessee State House of Representatives in 1954. Sheriff of Davidson County, from 1972 to 1990.
Indicted in federal court on 54 counts of abusing his power as sheriff. Pleaded guilty to theft and mail fraud; sentenced to five years in PRISON.
Mary Rose Oakar - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Ohio from 1977 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor charges of funneling $16,000
through fake donors.

David Giles - Democrat - candidate for U.S. Representative from Washington in 1986 and 1990. Convicted in June 2000 of child rape.
Gary Siplin - Democrat state senator Florida- found guilty of third-degree grand theft of $5,000 or more, a felony, and using services of employees
for his candidacy.

Edward Mezvinsky - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Iowa from 1973 to 1977. Indicted on 56 federal fraud charges.

Lena Swanson - Democrat - Member of Washington State Senate in 1997. Pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting unlawful payments from veterans
and former prisoners of war.

Abraham J. Hirschfeld - Democrat - candidate in Democratic primary for U.S. Senator from New York in 1974 and 1976. Offered Paula Jones $1
million to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against President Bill Clinton. Convicted in 2000 of trying to hire a hit man to kill his
business partner.

Henry Cisneros - Democrat - U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development from 1993 to 1997. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of
lying to the FBI.

James A. Traficant Jr. - Member of House of Representatives from Ohio. Expelled from Congress after being convicted of corruption charges.
Sentenced today to eight years in PRISON for accepting bribes and kickbacks.

John Doug Hays - Democrat - member of Kentucky State Senate from 1980 to 1982 Found guilty of mail fraud for submitting false campaign reports
stemming from an unsuccessful run for judge. He was sentenced to six months in PRISON to be followed by six months of home confinement and
three years of probation.

Henry J. Cianfrani - Democrat - Pennsylvania State Senate from 1967 to 1976. Convicted on federal charges of racketeering and mail fraud for
padding his Senate payroll. Sentenced to five years in federal PRISON.

David Hall - Democrat - Governor of Oklahoma from 1971 to 1975. Indicted on extortion and conspiracy charges. Convicted and sentenced to three
years in PRISON.

John A. Celona - Democrat - A former state senator was charged with the three counts of mail fraud. Federal prosecutors accused him of defrauding
the state and collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars from CVS Corp.and others while serving in the legislature. Celona has agreed to plead
guilty to taking money from the CVS pharmacy chain and other companies that had interest in legislation. Under the deal, Celona agreed to
cooperate with investigators. He faces up to five years in federal PRISON on each of the three counts and a $250,000 fine


Allan Turner Howe - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Utah from 1975 to 1977. Arrested for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute.

Jerry Cosentino - Democrat - Illinois State Treasurer. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud - fined $5,000 and sentenced to nine months home confinement.

Joseph Waggonner Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Louisiana from 1961 to 1979. Arrested in Washington, D.C. for soliciting a policewoman
posing as a prostitute.

Albert G. Bustamante - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Texas from 1985 to 1993. Convicted in 1993 on racketeering and bribery charges and
sentenced to PRISON.

Lawrence Jack Smith - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Florida from 1983 to 1993. Sentenced to three months in federal PRISON for tax evasion.
David Lee Walters - Democrat - Governor of Oklahoma from 1991 to 1995. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor election law violation.

James Guy Tucker, Jr. - Democrat - Governor of Arkansas from 1992 to 1996. Resigned in July 1996 after conviction on federal fraud charges as part of
the Whitewater investigation.

Walter Rayford Tucker - Democrat - Mayor of Compton, California from 1991 to 1992; U.S. Representative from California from 1993 to 1995. Sentenced
to 27 months in PRISON for extortion and tax evasion.

William McCuen - Democrat - Secretary of State of Arkansas from 1985 to 1995. Admitted accepting kickbacks from two supporters he gave jobs, and
not paying taxes on the money. Admitted to conspiring with a political consultant to split $53,560 embezzled from the state in a sham
transaction. He was indicted on corruption charges. Pleaded guilty to felony counts tax evasion and accepting a kickback. Sentenced to 17 years
in PRISON.

Walter Fauntroy - Democrat - Delegate to U.S. Congress from the District of Columbia from 1971 to 1991. Charged in federal court with making false
statements on financial disclosure forms. Pleaded guilty to one felony
count and sentenced to probation.

Carroll Hubbard, Jr. - Democrat - Kentucky State Senate from 1968 to 1975 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1975 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to
conspiring to defraud the Federal Elections Commission and to theft of government property; sentenced to three years in PRISON.

Joseph Kolter - Democrat - member of Pennsylvania State House of Representatives from 1969 to 1982 and U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1983 to 1993. Indicted by a Federal grand jury on five felony charges of embezzlement at the U.S. House post office. Pleaded
guilty.

Webster Hubbell - Democrat - Chief Justice of Arkansas State Supreme Court in 1983. Pleaded guilty to federal mail fraud and tax evasion charges
sentenced to 21 months in PRISON.

Nicholas Mavroules - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1979 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to charges of tax fraud and accepting
gratuities while in office.

Carl Christopher Perkins - Democrat - Kentucky State House of Representatives from 1981 to 1984 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1985 to
1993. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud in connection with the House banking scandal. Perkins wrote overdrafts totaling about $300,000.
Pleaded guilty to charges of filing false statements with the Federal Election Commission and false financial disclosure reports. Sentenced to
21 months in PRISON.

Richard Hanna - Democrat - U.S. Representative from California from 1963 to 1974. Received payments of about $200,000 from a Korean businessman in
what became known as the "Koreagate" influence buying scandal. Pleaded guilty and sentenced to federal PRISON.

Angelo Errichetti - Democrat - New Jersey State Senator was sentenced to six years in PRISON and fined $40,000 for his involvement in Abscam.
Daniel Baugh Brewster - Democrat - U.S. Senator from Maryland. Indicted on charges of accepting illegal gratuity while in Senate.

Thomas Joseph Dodd - Democrat - U.S. Senator from Connecticut. Censured by the Senate for financial improprieties, having diverted $116,000 in
campaign and testimonial funds to his own use

Edward Fretwell Prichard, Jr. - Democrat - Delegate to Democratic National Convention from Kentucky. Convicted of vote fraud in federal court in
connection with ballot-box stuffing. Served five months in PRISON.

Jerry Springer - Democrat - Resigned from Cincinnati City Council in 1974 after admitting to paying a prostitute with a personal check, which was
found in a police raid on a massage parlor.

Guy Hamilton Jones, Sr. - Democrat -Arkansas State Senate. Convicted on federal tax charges and expelled from the Arkansas Senate.
Daniel Flood - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1945 to 1947, 1949 to 1953 and 1955 to 1980. Pleaded guilty to a conspiracy
charge involving payoffs and sentenced to probation.

Otto Kerner, Jr - Democrat - Governor of Illinois from 1961 to 1968. While serving as Governor, he and another official made a gain of over $300,000
in a stock deal. Convicted on 17 counts of bribery, conspiracy, perjury, and related charges. Sentenced to three years in federal PRISON and fined
$50,000.

George Crockett, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Michigan. Served four months in federal PRISON for contempt of court following his
defense of a Communist leader on trial for advocating the overthrow of the government.

Cornelius Edward Gallagher - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1959 to 1973. Indicted on federal charges of income tax
evasion, conspiracy, and perjury.

Mark B. Jimenez - Democrat fundraiser - sentenced to 27 months in PRISON on charges of tax evasion and conspiracy to defraud the United States and
commit election financing offenses.

Bobby Lee Rush - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Illinois. As a Black Panther, spent six months in PRISON on a weapons charge.

Bolley ''Bo'' Johnson - Democrat - Former Florida House Speaker - received a two-year term for tax evasion.

Roger L. Green - Democrat - Brooklyn Democrat Assemblyman. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor for accepting travel reimbursement for trips he did not
pay for and was sentenced to fines and probation.

Gloria Davis - Democrat - Bronx assemblywoman. Pleaded guilty to second-degree bribe-taking.

Thank you for pointing out that Democrats are not "exempt" from the EXACT same temptations and subsequent corruption(s) the GOP has demonstrated with pride.

Party name is just that;A name.
Those who pride themselves as Democrats or Republicans are living in a fantasy world of meaningless lables and elected officials who could care less if their public suffers or not.

[lierd6109]

"Thank you for pointing out that Democrats are not "exempt" from the EXACT same temptations and subsequent corruption(s) the GOP has demonstrated with pride."

First of all, setting off a block quote for that long list for no reason is just annoying and only makes people have to wait longer for a page to load. Simple quote marks work quite well the majority of the time for people who actually know how to write.

Secondly, prove it. I can add to his list of corrupt dumbocrats considerably.

[raoul duke]

Lobbyism in all forms (including 'gifts') should be illegal.

I think that it could be one of the most important changes that could be brought about in order to make things within the american political system better.


qu1nn
Lobbying, not -ism. It's a verb, not a school of thought. Also, in practical and mechanical terms, it is essential for a representative democracy. Getting rid of "all forms" is next to impossible and, quite honestly, undesirable.

[raoul duke]

Here are a few of your honest Democrats friends. Let not be throwing stones at Republicans only.



Scandals involving leaders from the Democrat Party

William Jefferson Clinton- Impeached by the House of Representatives over allegations of perjury and obstruction of justice, but acquitted by the
Senate. Scandals include Whitewater - Travelgate Gennifer Flowersgate - Filegate - Vince Fostergate - Whitewater Billing Recordsgate - Paula
Jonesgate- Lincoln Bedroomgate - Donations from Convicted Drug and Weapons Dealersgate - Lippogate - Chinagate - The Lewinsky Affair - Perjury and
Jobs for Lewinskygate - Kathleen Willeygate - Web Hubbell PRISON Phone Callgate - Selling Military Technology to the Chinesegate - Jaunita
Broaddrick Gate - Lootergate – Pardongate

Edward Moore Kennedy - Democrat - U. S. Senator from Massachusetts. Pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, after his car plunged
off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne.

Barney Frank - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1981 to present. Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute,
for sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution. A move to
expel Frank from the House of Representatives failed and a motion to censure him failed.

DNC - The Federal Election Commission imposed $719,000 in fines against participants in the 1996 Democratic Party fundraising scandals involving
contributions from China, Korea and other foreign sources. The Federal Election Commission said it decided to drop cases against contributors of
more than $3 million in illegal DNC contributions because the respondents left the country or the corporations are defunct.

Sandy Berger - Democrat - National Security Advisor during the Clinton Administration. Berger became the focus of a criminal investigation after
removing highly classified terrorism documents and handwritten notes from
the National Archives during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission
hearings.

Robert Torricelli - Democrat - Withdrew from the 2002 Senate race with less than 30 days before the election because of controversy over personal
gifts he took from a major campaign donor and questions about campaign donations from 1996.

James McGreevey - Democrat - New Jersey Governor . Admitted to having a gay affair. Resigned after allegations of sexual harassment, rumors of
being blackmailed on top of fundraising investigations and indictments.

Jesse Jackson - Democrat - Democratic candidate for President. Admitted to having an extramarital affair and fathering a illegitimate child.

Gary Condit - Democrat - US Democratic Congressman from California. Condit had an affair with an intern. Condit, covered up the affair and lied to
police after she went missing. No charges were ever filed against Condit. Her remains were discovered in a Washington DC park.

Eliot Spitzer- Democrat - New York governor - resigned from office after being tied to a prostitution ring.

Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde - Democrat - the son of newly elected U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, was booked on charges of criminal damage to property for
allegedly slashing tires on 20 vans and cars rented by the Republican Party for use in Election Day voter turnout efforts.

Daniel David Rostenkowski - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1959 to 1995. Indicted on 17 felony charges- pleaded guilty to two
counts of misuse of public funds and sentenced to seventeen months in federal PRISON.

Melvin Jay Reynolds - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1993 to 1995. Convicted on sexual misconduct and obstruction of justice charges and
sentenced to five years in PRISON.

Charles Coles Diggs, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Michigan from 1955 to 1980. Convicted on eleven counts of mail fraud and filing
false payroll forms- sentenced to three years in PRISON.

George Rogers - Democrat - Massachusetts State House of Representatives from 1965 to 1970. M000ember of Massachusetts State Senate from 1975 to
1978. Convicted of bribery in 1978 and sentenced to two years in PRISON.

Don Siegelman - Democrat Governor Alabama - indicted in a bid-rigging scheme involving a maternity-care program. The charges accused Siegelman
and his former chief of staff of helping Tuscaloosa physician Phillip Bobo rig bids. Siegelman was accused of moving $550,000 from the state
education budget to the State Fire College in Tuscaloosa so Bobo could use the money to pay off a competitor for a state contract for maternity care.

John Murtha, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania. Implicated in the Abscam sting, in which FBI agents impersonating Arab
businessmen offered bribes to political figures; Murtha was cited as an unindicted co-conspirator

Gerry Eastman Studds - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1973 to 1997. The first openly gay member of Congress. Censured by
the House of Representatives for having sexual relations with a teenage House page.

James C. Green - Democrat - North Carolina State House of Representatives from 1961 to 1977. Charged with accepting a bribe from an undercover FBI
agent, but was acquitted. Convicted of tax evasion in 1997.

Frederick Richmond - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1975 to 1982. Arrested in Washington, D.C., in 1978 for soliciting sex
from a minor and from an undercover police officer - pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor. Also - charged with tax evasion, marijuana possession, and
improper payments to a federal employee - pleaded guilty.

Raymond Lederer - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1977 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery and
sentenced to three years in PRISON and fined $20,000.

Harrison Arlington Williams, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Senator from New Jersey from 1959 to 1970. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Allegedly accepted an
18% interest in a titanium mine. Convicted of nine counts of bribery, conspiracy, receiving an unlawful gratuity, conflict of interest, and
interstate travel in aid of racketeering. Sentenced to three years in PRISON and fined $50,000.

Frank Thompson, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1955 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting, convicted on bribery and
conspiracy charges. Sentenced to three years in PRISON

Michael Joseph Myers - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1976 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery
and conspiracy; sentenced to three years in PRISON and fined $20,000; expelled from the House of Representatives on October 2, 1980.

John Michael Murphy - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1963 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted of conspiracy,
conflict of interest, and accepting an illegal gratuity. Sentenced to three years in PRISON and fined $20,000.

John Wilson Jenrette, Jr - Democrat - U.S. Representative from South Carolina from 1975 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted on
bribery and conspiracy charges and sentenced to PRISON

Neil Goldschmidt - Democrat - Oregon governor. Admitted to having an illegal sexual relationship with a 14-year-old teenager while he was
serving as Mayor of Portland.

Alcee Lamar Hastings - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Florida. Impeached and removed from office as federal judge in 1989 over bribery
charges.

Marion Barry - Democrat - mayor of Washington, D.C., from 1979 to 1991 and again from 1995 to 1999. Convicted of cocaine possession after being
caught on videotape smoking crack cocaine. Sentenced to six months in PRISON.

Mario Biaggi - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1969 to 1988. Indicted on federal charges that he had accepted bribes in return
for influence on federal contracts.Convicted of obstructing justice and accepting illegal gratuities. Tried in 1988 on federal racketeering
charges and convicted on 15 felony counts.

Lee Alexander - Democrat - Mayor of Syracuse, N.Y. from 1970 to 1985. Was indicted over a $1.5 million kickback scandal. Pleaded guilty to
racketeering and tax evasion charges. Served six years in PRISON.

Bill Campbell - Democrat - Mayor of Atlanta. Indicted and charged with fraud over claims he accepted improper payments from contractors seeking
city contracts.

Frank Ballance - Democrat - Congressman North Carolina. Pleaded guilty to one charge of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and money laundering related
to mishandling of money by his charitable foundation.

Hazel O'Leary - Democrat - Secretary of Energy during the Clinton Administration - O'leary took trips all over the world as Secretary with
as many 50 staff members and at times rented a plane, which was used by Madonna during her concert tours.

Lafayette Thomas - Democrat - Candidate for Tennessee State House of Representatives in 1954. Sheriff of Davidson County, from 1972 to 1990.
Indicted in federal court on 54 counts of abusing his power as sheriff. Pleaded guilty to theft and mail fraud; sentenced to five years in PRISON.
Mary Rose Oakar - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Ohio from 1977 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor charges of funneling $16,000
through fake donors.

David Giles - Democrat - candidate for U.S. Representative from Washington in 1986 and 1990. Convicted in June 2000 of child rape.
Gary Siplin - Democrat state senator Florida- found guilty of third-degree grand theft of $5,000 or more, a felony, and using services of employees
for his candidacy.

Edward Mezvinsky - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Iowa from 1973 to 1977. Indicted on 56 federal fraud charges.

Lena Swanson - Democrat - Member of Washington State Senate in 1997. Pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting unlawful payments from veterans
and former prisoners of war.

Abraham J. Hirschfeld - Democrat - candidate in Democratic primary for U.S. Senator from New York in 1974 and 1976. Offered Paula Jones $1
million to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against President Bill Clinton. Convicted in 2000 of trying to hire a hit man to kill his
business partner.

Henry Cisneros - Democrat - U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development from 1993 to 1997. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of
lying to the FBI.

James A. Traficant Jr. - Member of House of Representatives from Ohio. Expelled from Congress after being convicted of corruption charges.
Sentenced today to eight years in PRISON for accepting bribes and kickbacks.

John Doug Hays - Democrat - member of Kentucky State Senate from 1980 to 1982 Found guilty of mail fraud for submitting false campaign reports
stemming from an unsuccessful run for judge. He was sentenced to six months in PRISON to be followed by six months of home confinement and
three years of probation.

Henry J. Cianfrani - Democrat - Pennsylvania State Senate from 1967 to 1976. Convicted on federal charges of racketeering and mail fraud for
padding his Senate payroll. Sentenced to five years in federal PRISON.

David Hall - Democrat - Governor of Oklahoma from 1971 to 1975. Indicted on extortion and conspiracy charges. Convicted and sentenced to three
years in PRISON.

John A. Celona - Democrat - A former state senator was charged with the three counts of mail fraud. Federal prosecutors accused him of defrauding
the state and collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars from CVS Corp.and others while serving in the legislature. Celona has agreed to plead
guilty to taking money from the CVS pharmacy chain and other companies that had interest in legislation. Under the deal, Celona agreed to
cooperate with investigators. He faces up to five years in federal PRISON on each of the three counts and a $250,000 fine


Allan Turner Howe - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Utah from 1975 to 1977. Arrested for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute.

Jerry Cosentino - Democrat - Illinois State Treasurer. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud - fined $5,000 and sentenced to nine months home confinement.

Joseph Waggonner Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Louisiana from 1961 to 1979. Arrested in Washington, D.C. for soliciting a policewoman
posing as a prostitute.

Albert G. Bustamante - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Texas from 1985 to 1993. Convicted in 1993 on racketeering and bribery charges and
sentenced to PRISON.

Lawrence Jack Smith - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Florida from 1983 to 1993. Sentenced to three months in federal PRISON for tax evasion.
David Lee Walters - Democrat - Governor of Oklahoma from 1991 to 1995. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor election law violation.

James Guy Tucker, Jr. - Democrat - Governor of Arkansas from 1992 to 1996. Resigned in July 1996 after conviction on federal fraud charges as part of
the Whitewater investigation.

Walter Rayford Tucker - Democrat - Mayor of Compton, California from 1991 to 1992; U.S. Representative from California from 1993 to 1995. Sentenced
to 27 months in PRISON for extortion and tax evasion.

William McCuen - Democrat - Secretary of State of Arkansas from 1985 to 1995. Admitted accepting kickbacks from two supporters he gave jobs, and
not paying taxes on the money. Admitted to conspiring with a political consultant to split $53,560 embezzled from the state in a sham
transaction. He was indicted on corruption charges. Pleaded guilty to felony counts tax evasion and accepting a kickback. Sentenced to 17 years
in PRISON.

Walter Fauntroy - Democrat - Delegate to U.S. Congress from the District of Columbia from 1971 to 1991. Charged in federal court with making false
statements on financial disclosure forms. Pleaded guilty to one felony
count and sentenced to probation.

Carroll Hubbard, Jr. - Democrat - Kentucky State Senate from 1968 to 1975 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1975 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to
conspiring to defraud the Federal Elections Commission and to theft of government property; sentenced to three years in PRISON.

Joseph Kolter - Democrat - member of Pennsylvania State House of Representatives from 1969 to 1982 and U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1983 to 1993. Indicted by a Federal grand jury on five felony charges of embezzlement at the U.S. House post office. Pleaded
guilty.

Webster Hubbell - Democrat - Chief Justice of Arkansas State Supreme Court in 1983. Pleaded guilty to federal mail fraud and tax evasion charges
sentenced to 21 months in PRISON.

Nicholas Mavroules - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1979 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to charges of tax fraud and accepting
gratuities while in office.

Carl Christopher Perkins - Democrat - Kentucky State House of Representatives from 1981 to 1984 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1985 to
1993. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud in connection with the House banking scandal. Perkins wrote overdrafts totaling about $300,000.
Pleaded guilty to charges of filing false statements with the Federal Election Commission and false financial disclosure reports. Sentenced to
21 months in PRISON.

Richard Hanna - Democrat - U.S. Representative from California from 1963 to 1974. Received payments of about $200,000 from a Korean businessman in
what became known as the "Koreagate" influence buying scandal. Pleaded guilty and sentenced to federal PRISON.

Angelo Errichetti - Democrat - New Jersey State Senator was sentenced to six years in PRISON and fined $40,000 for his involvement in Abscam.
Daniel Baugh Brewster - Democrat - U.S. Senator from Maryland. Indicted on charges of accepting illegal gratuity while in Senate.

Thomas Joseph Dodd - Democrat - U.S. Senator from Connecticut. Censured by the Senate for financial improprieties, having diverted $116,000 in
campaign and testimonial funds to his own use

Edward Fretwell Prichard, Jr. - Democrat - Delegate to Democratic National Convention from Kentucky. Convicted of vote fraud in federal court in
connection with ballot-box stuffing. Served five months in PRISON.

Jerry Springer - Democrat - Resigned from Cincinnati City Council in 1974 after admitting to paying a prostitute with a personal check, which was
found in a police raid on a massage parlor.

Guy Hamilton Jones, Sr. - Democrat -Arkansas State Senate. Convicted on federal tax charges and expelled from the Arkansas Senate.
Daniel Flood - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1945 to 1947, 1949 to 1953 and 1955 to 1980. Pleaded guilty to a conspiracy
charge involving payoffs and sentenced to probation.

Otto Kerner, Jr - Democrat - Governor of Illinois from 1961 to 1968. While serving as Governor, he and another official made a gain of over $300,000
in a stock deal. Convicted on 17 counts of bribery, conspiracy, perjury, and related charges. Sentenced to three years in federal PRISON and fined
$50,000.

George Crockett, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Michigan. Served four months in federal PRISON for contempt of court following his
defense of a Communist leader on trial for advocating the overthrow of the government.

Cornelius Edward Gallagher - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1959 to 1973. Indicted on federal charges of income tax
evasion, conspiracy, and perjury.
[...]
The thread boss on SpeakupWNY is making me shorten it. Either way, it was getting kind of thin and seemed focused on events that have occurred 10, 20, 30, even 50 years ago! I'm kind of surprised the whole "wrong side of the War of Northern Aggression" didn't get a mention. heh. Though in fairness, the modern sympathizers of the South are, by an overwhelmingly margin (I'll bet,) Republicans.

[qu1nn]

Lobbying, not -ism. It's a verb, not a school of thought. Also, in practical and mechanical terms, it is essential for a representative democracy. Getting rid of "all forms" is next to impossible and, quite honestly, undesirable.

Thanks for the correction of my slang use.
Regardless of the inappropriate use of the word, I personally use it to also include political action committees, as well as industry contributions.

You are insane if you really believe it is necessary, while maybe it is true for mob rule (democracy). I cannot see how this 'legal bribery' makes a good republic.
Please explain.

All I see is corporations allowing individuals to bribe those that make the laws that in turn effect that business. Free market or the basis for a quasi-fascism like system?

Check out the amount of cash being thrown around HERE (http://www.opensecrets.org/influence/index.php)

qu1nn

[raoul duke]

This is priceless. Here is where that fabulously long list came from:
http://www.boycottliberalism.com/

That site is a good laugh. Seriously, you begin to think it's satire or a parody, but this is for real. That guy, and I bet it's one guy who writes all that stuff, really allows "liberals" to essentially and often indirectly dictate his tastes. Boycotting the X-Files not because, frankly, lets let dead dogs decompose properly. Instead, it seems his beef is with Gillian Anderson and given the nature of the site, I assume it's a "liberal" beef. How sad. Nothing like a website designed to explicitly inform you what you should avoid or not like for solely, in most cases, indirect and non-causal reasons. What a miserable way to go through life.

An abridged list of suggested boycotts -

Products:
Air America Radio - Al Franken / Liberal Bias
AOL/Time Warner- Ted Turner- Major Shareholder
Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream - Ben Cohen
Bon Jovi (CD's) - Jon Bon Jovi
Boondocks(Cartoon)- Aaron McGruder
CBS Evening News - Katie Couric
Citgo Gas- Hugo Chavez
Countdown with Keith Olbermann- K. Olbermann
Current TV - Al Gore
Dallas Mavericks - Mark Cuban
DreamWorks - George Soros
Ebert & Roeper- Roger Ebert/ Richard Roeper
Face the Nation - Bob Schieffer
Hardball - Chris Matthews
HBO - Simmons/ Maher/ David/ Thomasson
Heinz - Tereza Heinz Kerry
Hustler Magazine & Videos- Larry Flynt
Jerry Springer TV & Radio - Jerry Springer
The Late Show - David Letterman
Lions Gate Films - distributor Fahrenheit 9/11
Meet the Press - Tim Russert
Philadelphia Soul (AFL)- Jon Bon Jovi (owner)
Praire Home Companion - Garrison Keillor
Progressive Insurance - Peter B. Lewis (CEO)
Quantum Funds - George Soros
Real Time - Bill Maher
Rollingstone Magazine - Jann Wenner
60 Minutes - Andy Rooney / Mike Wallace
Sirius Satellite Radio - Howard Stern
SKG Dreamworks - Spielberg /Geffen
and on and on and on. . .

The newspapers you shouldn't read (http://www.boycottliberalism.com/Liberal-newspapers.htm).

Seriously, this site is a hoot. Too funny.

Not surprisingly, there is no http://www.boycottconservatives.com

[raoul duke]

Thanks for the correction of my slang use.
Regardless of the inappropriate use of the word, I personally use it to also include political action committees, as well as industry contributions.

You are insane if you really believe it is necessary, while maybe it is true for mob rule (democracy). I cannot see how this 'legal bribery' makes a good republic.
Please explain.
For starters, in simplified and pragmatic forms, lobbying is not bribery. Lobbying is "try to influence the thinking of legislators or other public officials for or against a specific cause." Essentially it means "to influence." When you call your town councilman and advocate for a certain position on an issue, you are lobbying. When you offer said councilman a [I]quid pro quo in exchange for a favorable vote on that issue, you are bribing. That is an important difference.
All I see is corporations allowing individuals to bribe those that make the laws that in turn effect that business. Free market or the basis for a quasi-fascism like system?

Check out the amount of cash being thrown around HERE (http://www.opensecrets.org/influence/index.php)

qu1nn
I think we share a common view, so bear me out here for a second. You cannot get rid of lobbying, the whole point of having an elected representative in government is to have someone who's opinion you can influence (i.e. lobby.) There is no way to make it illegal without seriously running afoul of the Bill of Rights. But you're right that the system used to lobby a lot of our elected officials is deeply flawed and is ripe for some real philosophical reorganization, in my opinion.


Sorry 'bout the Grammar Nazi™, it's a part-time tick.

[qu1nn]

For starters, in simplified and pragmatic forms, lobbying is not bribery. Lobbying is "try to influence the thinking of legislators or other public officials for or against a specific cause." Essentially it means "to influence." When you call your town councilman and advocate for a certain position on an issue, you are lobbying. When you offer said councilman a [I]quid pro quo in exchange for a favorable vote on that issue, you are bribing. That is an important difference..


It must be really expensive to influence then. Phone calls must be really expensive in DC!
Millions upon millions are being thrown around....I have to FULLY DISAGREE with your "influence" is not bribery concept.

qu1nn

[raoul duke]

It must be really expensive to influence then. Phone calls must be really expensive in DC!
Millions upon millions are being thrown around....I have to FULLY DISAGREE with your "influence" is not bribery concept.

qu1nn
Well I, along with most dictionaries, have to fully disagree that "influence" is bribery (the logical extrapolation of your statement.) Bribery results in "influence," but not all "influence" is bribery. A tangible and beneficial quid pro quo is required in order for bribery to occur.

[lierd6109]

"That guy, and I bet it's one guy who writes all that stuff, really allows "liberals" to essentially and often indirectly dictate his taste."

How? I see nothing there whatsoever taste related.

"Boycotting the X-Files not because, frankly, lets let dead dogs decompose properly. Instead, it seems his beef is with Gillian Anderson and given the nature of the site, I assume it's a "liberal" beef. How sad."

"The X-Files" is just one of many sci-fi shows. There are certainly others just as good or just as bad. Having the balls to give one of those shows up because of personal integrity shows responsibility--not bad taste.

"Nothing like a website designed to explicitly inform you what you should avoid or not like for solely, in most cases, indirect and non-causal reasons."

Boycotting the products of people whose philosophical values are in the gutter is a smart way to render them powerless, and generally the power of those people is nothing more than popularity due to media overexposure anyway. There's nothing more "causal" than that. Liberals are popular with the uneducated, and the reason they are is simply because they own the media and throw liberal crap at them 24 hours a day. People have always assumed that whatever is advertised a lot, or heard on the radio a lot, or shown on TV constantly must be good. Liberals minds have always been easy to control in that way whether they had you buying disco and hip-hop records or watching soaps and reality TV. You're suckers from the word go.

"Not surprisingly, there is no http://www.boycottconservatives.com"

That's because the adults (as in the people who are tattoo free, and who can actually pull their pants up) own everything. Boycotting conservatives is often boycotting your own job.

[raoul duke]

That's because the Senate has been Republican dominated for three decades.
Seriously. Crack a history book or, better yet, use the Google.

If you want to find indicted crooks you'll have to look to the House Democrats like Jim Traficant and William Jefferson for starters.
And "enders" as far as the last few years are concerned. Match that with Tom Delay, Bob Ney, Duke Cunningham, Ted Stevens, Larry Craig (unjustly, imo, but funny for it's hypocrisy none-the-less,) a couple more I cannot think of and I'm just picking on the Republican members of Congress. Move out into the Republican party leadership, cohorts and assorted and undeniably Republican figures we have Jack Abramoff, David Safarian (sp?), Scooter Libby, Ted Haggard, the state rep. in FL that just had to offer the black guy $20 and oral sex out of fear et cetera.
Actually it's a pretty long list.
How far back we gonna go? So far you've only offered two examples. That hardly makes the case for a long list. I rattled those names off the top of my head. Imagine if we consulted one of the many databases tracking Republican scandals.
There's a reason why nearly every mob boss and trade union racketeer since Roosevelt has hand their hand in a Democrat's pocket.
That wouldn't have anything to do with the historical fact that the Democrats have been in control of Congress, for all intents and purposes, since the New Deal? Would it? With short Republican intervals spread out over time.
Are the many millions of dollars Obama got for his greedy contractor friends in Chicago important to you?
Obviously they're not important enough to you to explain what you're talking about. Just through it out there and see if it sticks, right?

Is McCain's predilection towards young, blond multi-millionaires over the wife of his children important to you? He was technically a bigamist for a brief time. (Ya know, just throwing it out there.)
Democrats - the party of queers [roual duke - *cough* Larry Craig, Jef Gannon, Ted Haggard, Mitch McConnell (he's not fooling anyone,) Duke Cunningham (check out some of the "entertainment hired for him by his lobbyist friends,) Mark Foley, Bob Allen, Glenn Murphy, Jr., Log Cabin Republicans *cough*] trade union racketeers, and organized crime mobsters, and which still buys the black vote for five bucks a head in urban areas. There's a reason we have the term "Chicago Style Election" and we owe it all to Democrats. I dare you to go into a courthouse anywhere in Illinois, Missouri, Ohio, or Jersey and try to get a job sweeping floors if you're not a registered Democrat. For Democrats it's all about getting themselves into a position to take bribes. We've got bad Republicans too, but at least your chances are still somewhat better with them. I can at least name a handful of good people who are Republican politicians. I don't know of any good Democrats. I'm not saying there aren't any, but I sure can't think of a single one that doesn't have dirt on him/her.
That's because your world-view requires you to believe all those generalities. Otherwise you'd realize how stupid and cliched most of that sounds. Never mind the glaring false comparisons and assumptions not supported by reality. Maybe it's not your politics thats keeping you from the floor sweeping jobs?

[raoul duke]

"That guy, and I bet it's one guy who writes all that stuff, really allows "liberals" to essentially and often indirectly dictate his taste."

How? I see nothing there whatsoever taste related.
Really? Which actors (not because of their acting, but personal political views) or movies to avoid, which music to not listen to? What do you think defines taste?
"Boycotting the X-Files not because, frankly, lets let dead dogs decompose properly. Instead, it seems his beef is with Gillian Anderson and given the nature of the site, I assume it's a "liberal" beef. How sad."

"The X-Files" is just one of many sci-fi shows. There are certainly others just as good or just as bad. Having the balls to give one of those shows up because of personal integrity shows responsibility--not bad taste.
Giving it up because of the personal politics of ONE of the actors shows childish reasoning. Seriously, do you get out of line at the DMV because the clerk appears to have different political views than yours?
"Nothing like a website designed to explicitly inform you what you should avoid or not like for solely, in most cases, indirect and non-causal reasons."

Boycotting the products of people whose philosophical values are in the gutter is a smart way to render them powerless, and generally the power of those people is nothing more than popularity due to media overexposure anyway.
Yeah, not like anyone ever accomplishes anything, they just get over-exposed.
There's nothing more "causal" than that.
I suppose. . . were that actually a causal relationship.
Liberals are popular with the uneducated
That's why liberals just bring in the votes in poor rural areas - especially the Appalachians and the Ozarks, it's like Hippieville and More-Hippieville in those parts of the country. You know else is popular with uneducated people? (The people that voted for a dry-drunk because they would rather have a with him than his opponent.) Republicans.
and the reason they are is simply because they own the media and throw liberal crap at them 24 hours a day. People have always assumed that whatever is advertised a lot, or heard on the radio a lot, or shown on TV constantly must be good. Liberals minds have always been easy to control in that way whether they had you buying disco and hip-hop records or watching soaps and reality TV.
Too bad liberals, by your brilliant analysis, like to observe and make up their own minds and don't have awesome internet resources to tell us "what's hot and what's not."
You're suckers from the word go.
You really gonna say that, then say this?
"Not surprisingly, there is no http://www.boycottconservatives.com"

That's because the adults (as in the people who are tattoo free, and who can actually pull their pants up) own everything. Boycotting conservatives is often boycotting your own job.
HAHA. The "tattoo free" and pants-at-the-waist (ribcage, usually) own "everything?" HAH HAH HAH HAH (yes, I'm laughing at you.) Really? Shouldn't you be chasing kids off your lawn or something?

:rolleyes:

[qu1nn]

Well I, along with most dictionaries, have to fully disagree that "influence" is bribery (the logical extrapolation of your statement.) Bribery results in "influence," but not all "influence" is bribery. A tangible and beneficial quid pro quo is required in order for bribery to occur.


you go on about my poor language skills, however you never respond the the quantities of monies that are flying around at the link that I posted.

I do not believe that ALL politicians are bribed nor accept bribes, but many MUST BE HIGHLY INFLUENCED by the monies that are floating around otherwise there wouldn't be so much money floating around! Thus.... one of the main reasons for corruption.

qu1nn

[run4it]

Lacks, you 100% missed my point. Well, actually you made it for me. You're more than happy to point out and jump on every Democrat indiscretion you can find (and speaking of that incredibly long list, how many of those have been convicted? I counted 15 through about the first half of the list). But you have absolutely ZERO interest in posting the same list of Republicans.

My point is, you're blinded by the fact you think you belong to a certain "team." It's called partisanship, it's called hypocricy, and it's not good for any of us.

And I'm STILL wanting to know, Mr. L, are we waiting until someone is convicted to officially condemn them? If so, then you need to take back about half your list, apologize for the posts you made on Willie Jefferson, et al. If not, then man up and admit that one of "your guys" is as dirty as the rest.

[run4it]

I don't know where your numbers come from, but they appear to be incorrect.

US Attorneys have prosecuted 7 times as many Democrats as Republics since 2000. More republicans have been convicted, but the democratic mafia is pretty good about making evidence disapear. But if you really want to get into numbers of indictments and convictions concerning pubs and dems, try looking at local governments where every other week dems are going to jail on corruption charges. If Stevens' indictment isn't big news in AK, that's probably because the 6 democrats who have been indicted there during recent years overshadows it considerably. Hell, he'll probably get re-elected simply because he's still better than the trash he's running against. Yes, he's a bad guy, as is his son, (I was stationed at Ft Rich in 77-78) and I've never understood why he was so popular, but in this case it's a matter of electing a bad guy who's still better than the other bad guys. Sad but true.

As to who has had the majority in the senate, I said, "That's because the Senate has been Republican dominated for three decades." Not two decades. It's been a tie for the past two. This is from the US Senate website (http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/one_item_and_teasers/partydiv.htm):

1980-83 republicans
1983-85 republicans
1985-87 republicans
1987-89 democrats
1989-91 democrats
1991-93 democrats
1993-95 democrats
1993-95 democrats
1995-97 republicans
1997-99 republicans
1999-01 republicans
2001-03 tie at 50 seats each
2003-05 republicans
2005-07 republicans
2007-09 democrats

I count 8 republican to 6 democratic run Senates there along with one tie covering almost 3 decades.
I believe that the time frame we were using was 20 years. Regardless, it's fairly even, and even those in the majority rarely held more than a few seat lead.

With the politicization of the DOJ, do you really find it suprising that Dems were investigated more than Repubs? Is it not telling that even though 7 times more Dems were investigated, more Repubs have been convicted?

[CSense]

Democrats - the party of queers, ......

Mark Foley? Ted Haggard? Larry Craig? Bob Allen? Glenn Murphy? James Guckert?

Oh not an individual but, Who are the Log Cabin Republicans?

[Mr. Lackawanna]

Mark Foley? Ted Haggard? Larry Craig? Bob Allen? Glenn Murphy? James Puckett?

Oh not an individual but, Who are the Log Cabin Republicans?

Are you saying that the Democrats are free of homosexuals, child molesters and perverts? Or do you just ignore those homosexuals, child molesters and perverts in the Democratic party and give them a free ride?

[CSense]

Are you saying that the Democrats are free of homosexuals, child molesters and perverts? Or do you just ignore those homosexuals, child molesters and perverts in the Democratic party and give them a free ride?

NO I just want to show that Republicans are a party of queers also

[Foot Fungus]

Originally Posted by CSense

NO I just want to show that Republicans are a party of queers also

The only reason the Republicans hide themselves from queerdom is that they are afraid that their fake macho Republican image may be tarnished.

Come on, you know that they're wearing pink lingerie under those suits with the attached mandatory flag pins.

[Cgoodsp466]

Dems Repubs they are all in the same lets screw the taxpayer club.It amazes me how many posters on this board respect these people. I guess when they make it possible for you to earn a pay check you say please and thank you.
whenthey screw ya then people like me say choke and puke. So run they are all bad.

[Dumbfounded]

Are you saying that the Democrats are free of homosexuals, child molesters and perverts? Or do you just ignore those homosexuals, child molesters and perverts in the Democratic party and give them a free ride?

I've tried to give you the benefit of the doubt
but you're totally obsessed with nit-picking the faults of and Democrats;Demonizing them
and coming up with erroneous conclusions
(based on mainly subjective data)

Yes, the Democrats are no better or worse than the Republicans
And
Yes, most Democrats are NOT true progressives, otherwise Bush, Cheney and their cabinet would have been impeached during his first term.

Lacks, guess that you're not feeling the "pinch" like most of us-
That at this point, you are still clingling to the out-dated, useless
partisan politics.

If you want to nit-pick about party-affiliation so bad-
The Republicans, "the family values" and "church;Compassion-based" party
is the polar opposite of "family values" and the goodness the church CLAIMS to believe in, but never practices



You wanna be factual? Then in concise & clear terms, compare the stated goals and values of the Republican party and give a list of examples of "true G.O.P." principles taken form during the last eight years; What good "have the Republican Party done of us lately?"

The same as the Democrats-Little to nothing.


Foot Fungus has it right: "The only reason Republicans hide themselves from queerdom is that they are afraid that their fake macho Republican image may be tarnished."

If you want to get partisan, Lacks-

Haven't you ever noticed that most republican politicians and media personalities talk big, pretending to be "real men"-Overcompensate-Over do the "tough guy" act bragging about how great war is? How great guns are?
The bad-a$$ false patriotism of the G.O.P.?
The same party (Republican) that calls loyal Americans "unAmerican" and "Unpatriotic" if they don't agree with their business-based propaganda?

And for the record, the puppet-in-chief, George W. Bush who considers himself a manly pilot, a hero, a leader is terrified of horses?
Dick Cheney has no problem sending off troops to die;Guess that's real macho.


Lacks-MOST progressives look at BOTH sides of the political/social/economic issues of concern;Your preoccupation with condemning Democrats to boost and glorify the Republican party isn't only unhealthy,
its a total waste of time.

You want to call out child molestors?
Fine!
Then let's purge;Fire, try and imprison every single pedophile priest the G.O.P. so proudly represents as the "party of Church values" and continues to hid and cover for despite the pedophile priest scandal and the hilarous court settlements.


There are sexual deviants in both political parties, Lacks;All you are demonstrating is narrow-mindedness


Can't believe while this nation is going to S, that you're still obsessing about party names and "values." Amazing.

[Cgoodsp466]

I've tried to give you the benefit of the doubt
but you're totally obsessed with nit-picking the faults of and Democrats;Demonizing them
and coming up with erroneous conclusions
(based on mainly subjective data)

Yes, the Democrats are no better or worse than the Republicans
And
Yes, most Democrats are NOT true progressives, otherwise Bush, Cheney and their cabinet would have been impeached during his first term.

Lacks, guess that you're not feeling the "pinch" like most of us-
That at this point, you are still clingling to the out-dated, useless
partisan politics.

If you want to nit-pick about party-affiliation so bad-
The Republicans, "the family values" and "church;Compassion-based" party
is the polar opposite of "family values" and the goodness the church CLAIMS to believe in, but never practices



You wanna be factual? Then in concise & clear terms, compare the stated goals and values of the Republican party and give a list of examples of "true G.O.P." principles taken form during the last eight years; What good "have the Republican Party done of us lately?"

The same as the Democrats-Little to nothing.


Foot Fungus has it right: "The only reason Republicans hide themselves from queerdom is that they are afraid that their fake macho Republican image may be tarnished."

If you want to get partisan, Lacks-

Haven't you ever noticed that most republican politicians and media personalities talk big, pretending to be "real men"-Overcompensate-Over do the "tough guy" act bragging about how great war is? How great guns are?
The bad-a$$ false patriotism of the G.O.P.?
The same party (Republican) that calls loyal Americans "unAmerican" and "Unpatriotic" if they don't agree with their business-based propaganda?

And for the record, the puppet-in-chief, George W. Bush who considers himself a manly pilot, a hero, a leader is terrified of horses?
Dick Cheney has no problem sending off troops to die;Guess that's real macho.


Lacks-MOST progressives look at BOTH sides of the political/social/economic issues of concern;Your preoccupation with condemning Democrats to boost and glorify the Republican party isn't only unhealthy,
its a total waste of time.

You want to call out child molestors?
Fine!
Then let's purge;Fire, try and imprison every single pedophile priest the G.O.P. so proudly represents as the "party of Church values" and continues to hid and cover for despite the pedophile priest scandal and the hilarous court settlements.


There are sexual deviants in both political parties, Lacks;All you are demonstrating is narrow-mindedness


Can't believe while this nation is going to S, that you're still obsessing about party names and "values." Amazing.

what is a progressive? The things you not jobs stand for how is that Progressive? You talk about the country going to hell.You guys are the engineers on the Dysfunction express.

[Mr. Lackawanna]

Senator Stephens had his case dismissed to bad the smear campaign against him worked and he lost his bid to be reelected.


Congressman Jefferson did not win his bid to be reelected and his court trial is on going. Justice is really swift.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Supreme Court refused Monday to settle an ongoing dispute over the prosecution of former congressman William Jefferson on corruption charges.

Former Louisiana Rep. William Jefferson says he is innocent of all the charges against him. The justices' denial of Jefferson's appeal means his criminal corruption trial is likely to proceed to trial this month.

The Louisiana Democrat claims that he was the victim of an overly aggressive FBI raid of his Capitol Hill offices in May 2006. He was indicted 13 months later on public corruption charges.

At issue in the appeal was whether he had constitutional protection as a lawmaker, so that evidence obtained in that search should not have been presented to the grand jury to obtain the indictment.

[Dougles]

How is it that this gem hasn't been commented on here in over a day since it broke?

Alaska Senator accused of receiving $250K in gifts, services from company

Gov'tchick? ILoved? Lacks? bLowHardy? Where are all of you faithful stalwarts against corruption and fraud?

Oh, wait....it's a REPUBLICAN that's in trouble. Not worth commenting on, I suppose...

What happened to Innocent until proven guilty and in this Case he was innocent, do you owe some people and appology?

[mesue]

How is it that this gem hasn't been commented on here in over a day since it broke?

Alaska Senator accused of receiving $250K in gifts, services from company

...

Again? Or is this the same story?

[ILOVEDNY]

Again? Or is this the same story?

Just serving up run and Raoul a little crow.

[run4it]

What happened to Innocent until proven guilty and in this Case he was innocent, do you owe some people and appology?

No.

The fact still remains (and is undisputed) that Stevens received services for which he did not pay. These services came from a political donor. Absolutely unacceptable. The (Bush) Justice Dept screwed up royally and ended in a mistrial. That doesn't mean he was "innocent". It means his conviction was set aside and he's not worth going after. I completely approve of Holder's handling of the situation.

And I don't believe I've ever defended Jefferson...indeed neither has the Democratic party. He was denied endorsement in his election. Personally, I believe I said that I think he should be thrown into a corner and fed bread crumbs as long as he's in the House (well, maybe not in those words, but the same sentiment). I've never seen any of the "conservatives" here claim anything but innoncence and clemency for Stevens (or any Repub).

There's the difference....Dem's are afraid to admit it when their poop stinks.