Commentary: Why Americans can't get over Race.

[Bringthetruth]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/29/cohens.race.politics/index.html



Any discussion of race or racism inevitably stirs uncomfortable reactions. America is, indeed, a nation of immigrants. Most of our ancestors came here in search of a better life. Africans, however, arrived here in chains to make a better life for others. Yet to date, we have been unable to discuss the horrors of the enslavement, lynchings, segregation and degradation of African-Americans without prompting resentment or indifference.

"That's all in the past," is a common retort. "We had nothing to do with it. It's history. Get over it." The problem, however, as the results in a number of the primary states reveal, is that racial prejudice is not history, and neither whites nor blacks are over it.

At CNN we are convinced that what is needed in America is a serious, open, civil dialogue on racial, ethnic and religious prejudice. To this end, in July, we are convening a conference in Washington on race and reconciliation with political, spiritual and business leaders. Our goal: to further a national conversation about the need for truth, tolerance and reconciliation.


watch tonight on CNN 8pm- reclaiming the dream also july 23 at 8pm on CNN - being black in america

[Sock Puppet]

As if anyone needs more marxist propaganda in their lives. I think I'll read a book instead of watching the bash whitey session. The worst is when they have the token white guy who buckles on race issues.

If you want to have an honest conversation about race, you have to let people who represent races speak. Otherwise you are just spoken too.

I'm not interested in black problems anymore. The negroes have made it perfectly clear that they put their ethnic group before the Constitution. Affirmative action and the Civil Rights Acts are in clear violation of equal protection.

Why would anyone watch tis anyway? Do you think the negroes are going to have a viewpoint of something other than victim? There will probably be one guy who gives the Bill Cosby boot-strap schtick just to make the lost white listeners hopeful, but it will hardly be the driving force of the debate on how to spend the white man's taxes.

The solution on racism is simple... Allow people to associate freely. That is, if a bunch of white folks want to form their own community, let them. If blacks want to do the same, let them. If a bunch of midgets and Asians want to form a homosexual community, let them.

Freedom is the answer, not more racial bean counting.

Sock Puppet guarantee! At no time during the 'Negoes in America' discussion, will free association be mentioned.

[winfield31]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/29/cohens.race.politics/index.html



Any discussion of race or racism inevitably stirs uncomfortable reactions. America is, indeed, a nation of immigrants. Most of our ancestors came here in search of a better life. Africans, however, arrived here in chains to make a better life for others. Yet to date, we have been unable to discuss the horrors of the enslavement, lynchings, segregation and degradation of African-Americans without prompting resentment or indifference.

"That's all in the past," is a common retort. "We had nothing to do with it. It's history. Get over it." The problem, however, as the results in a number of the primary states reveal, is that racial prejudice is not history, and neither whites nor blacks are over it.

At CNN we are convinced that what is needed in America is a serious, open, civil dialogue on racial, ethnic and religious prejudice. To this end, in July, we are convening a conference in Washington on race and reconciliation with political, spiritual and business leaders. Our goal: to further a national conversation about the need for truth, tolerance and reconciliation.


watch tonight on CNN 8pm- reclaiming the dream also july 23 at 8pm on CNN - being black in americaI still believe the book "Black Like Me" should be REQUIRED reading in the high schools , John Howard Griffin's stirring & compeling story of his "experiment" in the south , specifically New Orleans would show not a lot has really changed , yet we've come hundreds of miles from the John Crow days.............change is aiways slow............

[Bringthetruth]

[QUOTE=Sock Puppet]As if anyone needs more marxist propaganda in their lives.

If you want to have an honest conversation about race, you have to let people who represent races speak. Otherwise you are just spoken too.



Why would anyone watch tis anyway? Do you think the negroes are going to have a viewpoint of something other than victim? There will probably be one guy who gives the Bill Cosby boot-strap schtick just to make the lost white listeners hopeful, but it will hardly be the driving force of the debate on how to spend the white man's taxes.

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Many people who think like you are afraid to come on national tv on CNN and discuss this issue.

They have too much to lose, they want understanding racial progress to continue at a snails pace that way they can keep blowing things off with those tired excuses.

[Sock Puppet]

Many people who think like you are afraid to come on national tv on CNN and discuss this issue.

They have too much to lose, they want understanding racial progress to continue at a snails pace that way they can keep blowing things off with those tired excuses.
Nonsense! The KSS just crashed a 'diversity' meeting that white nationalists were not allowed to attend. Needless to say, they spoke the truth about blacks and the crime that goes along with their communities.
http://whitereference.blogspot.com/2008/06/twenty-five-members-of-keystone-state.html

David Duke, Jared Taylor, or James Edwards would be on this propaganda show at their own expense AT A MOMENTS NOTICE. They are UNINVITED!!!!! They are being cut out of the conversation because they are critical of minorities and jews. They are censored due to their position. Now, if their position is not the one that you subscribe to, that's fine Let them make their case at one of these forums, and their views will be judged on their own merit. It's the blacks and jews that are the ones dragging their feet. That's the reality.

[raoul duke]

Nonsense! The KSS just crashed a 'diversity' meeting that white nationalists were not allowed to attend. Needless to say, they spoke the truth about blacks and the crime that goes along with their communities.
http://whitereference.blogspot.com/2008/06/twenty-five-members-of-keystone-state.html
Because while you don't want to be "talked to" about your racism (it's rather glaring, btw,) skinheads lecturing the black community about their problems is fine. Can you see the disconnect?
David Duke, Jared Taylor, or James Edwards would be on this propaganda show at their own expense AT A MOMENTS NOTICE. They are UNINVITED!!!!! They are being cut out of the conversation because they are critical of minorities and jews. They are censored due to their position. Now, if their position is not the one that you subscribe to, that's fine Let them make their case at one of these forums, and their views will be judged on their own merit.
Their views have been judged by most of society on their merit and that's why they don't get invited to forums like this.
It's the blacks and jews that are the ones dragging their feet. That's the reality.
Yes, it's always the people and groups vying for progress that seem to hold it up. Is that how you overt racists rationalize it still? It's no wonder people don't want to hear what you have to say. (Aside from the fact it's nothing more than hateful rhetoric and a longing for days of yore when non-white people knew their place.)

[BuffalosFinest]

..because you will not stop talking about it. As long as you talk about the race issue it will always be there.

[raoul duke]

..because you will not stop talking about it. As long as you talk about the race issue it will always be there.
Ignore it and it goes away?

[BuffalosFinest]

Actually yes. If EVERYONE ignored it it would go away.
Yep. I am sure of it.

[Sock Puppet]

Because while you don't want to be "talked to" about your racism (it's rather glaring, btw,) skinheads lecturing the black community about their problems is fine. Can you see the disconnect?
No, I can't. To me, they are all Americans with something to say about race relations. Being a 'racist' doesn't make a person a second class citizen.

Their views have been judged by most of society on their merit and that's why they don't get invited to forums like this.
Bull! Stormfront is larger and more active than the Daily Kos or Little Green Footballs.

Yes, it's always the people and groups vying for progress that seem to hold it up. Is that how you overt racists rationalize it still? It's no wonder people don't want to hear what you have to say. (Aside from the fact it's nothing more than hateful rhetoric and a longing for days of yore when non-white people knew their place.)

You have a great deal of deprogramming to do and much to learn about white nationalism.

[raoul duke]

Actually yes. If EVERYONE ignored it it would go away.
Yep. I am sure of it.
Just like an illness, right? If you ignore a cancer, I'm sure it will just disappear.

[Sock Puppet]

Actually yes. If EVERYONE ignored it it would go away.
Yep. I am sure of it.
I won't be told what to do. That's fascism. If one wants to end racial problems, then allow people to associate freely. Then it would be over.

[raoul duke]

No, I can't. To me, they are all Americans with something to say about race relations. Being a 'racist' doesn't make a person a second class citizen.
Who said it makes anyone a second class citizen? The only people advocating for a society where "second class" is an acceptable strata of society are dopes like you. I'd argue that everyone on the planet is "racist" in some form or another; tribalism doesn't go away, it gets redefined. The difference is some people see as a hindrance to the general progress of humanity and attempt to deal with it as such, while others, like yourself, wear it proudly and wonder why no one wants to take you seriously.
Bull! Stormfront is larger and more active than the Daily Kos or Little Green Footballs.
Source? So? Should we be proud our country's crop of proto-fascists can use the internet?
You have a great deal of deprogramming to do and much to learn about white nationalism.
HAH. Screw Godwin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law), do you realize how "Nazi-esque" that sounds? I know more than enough about "white nationalism." Ignorance doesn't invite discussion, which is why racists of your ilk are usually ignored or derided. Sometimes it's acceptable to point and laugh at dumb people.

*pointing and laughing*

[raoul duke]

I won't be told what to do. That's fascism. If one wants to end racial problems, then allow people to associate freely. Then it would be over.
Except your buddies at Stromfront have a definition of "associate freely" that is hardly associative in nature, nor free. Also, being "told what to do" is not fascism. "White nationalism," however, falls pretty clearly into the authoritarian mind-set wherein fascism resides.

[Sock Puppet]

Except your buddies at Stromfront have a definition of "associate freely" that is hardly associative in nature, nor free.
Lie
Also, being "told what to do" is not fascism.
When it comes from the government it is. And that's really the only entity that anyone needs to worry about aren't they? Hope that puts my statements into context.
"White nationalism," however, falls pretty clearly into the authoritarian mind-set wherein fascism resides.
Wrong. White people invented liberty and wish to promote it. It is the clearly non-western people who wish to take it away.

Do you have some sort of fascination of labeling things something they are not?

[mesue]

Trust CNN to get the "See, I'm not racist" votes from the guilty consciences of the white voter.
Geez people! Can't you see when you are being played?
Vote for Obama because you feel he would be the better choice, not because he's black.
Further, he's not even entirely black. Why does no one speak to that? Is Michele Obama disappointed in her mother in law too?

[Bringthetruth]

Actually yes. If EVERYONE ignored it it would go away.
Yep. I am sure of it.


Where would it go ? Would it be more covert in the work place , or will it just go away.

I'm curious who's gonna be on the panel tonight (sunday)on CNN at 8pm

[Sock Puppet]

Who said it makes anyone a second class citizen?
Not allowing someones point of view to be heard because most people disagree with them is criterion based censorship, which makes the censored second class with regards to media access.

The only people advocating for a society where "second class" is an acceptable strata of society are dopes like you.
Lie

I'd argue that everyone on the planet is "racist" in some form or another; tribalism doesn't go away, it gets redefined. The difference is some people see as a hindrance to the general progress of humanity and attempt to deal with it as such, while others, like yourself, wear it proudly and wonder why no one wants to take you seriously. I don't wonder about any of your misguided delusions. I have many brothers and sisters that feel the same way I do, and that's good enought for us.

Source? So? Should we be proud our country's crop of proto-fascists can use the internet?
Just data dude. Look on their sites at the user #s and post activity.

Again, whites invented freedom. If your white, stop being a self loathing, defeated pile of shaking marxisim and honor your ancestors. If you're not white, all I can say is typical.
HAH. Screw Godwin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law), do you realize how "Nazi-esque" that sounds? I know more than enough about "white nationalism." Ignorance doesn't invite discussion, which is why racists of your ilk are usually ignored or derided. Sometimes it's acceptable to point and laugh at dumb people.
Total marxist propaganda you're regurgitating. "Knowledge about white nationalism = ignorance". EVERY WN message board has an opposing views forum btw.

[raoul duke]

Lie
Yeah, made obvious by all the different ethnicities places like Stormfront welcome to their dialog.
When it comes from the government it is. And that's really the only entity that anyone needs to worry about aren't they? Hope that puts my statements into context.
Well you really shouldn't complain about fascism while you tout your association with groups that are openly fascist in nature. i.e. Stormfront, Whitereference et al. Still ain't necessarily fascism, however. Is a stop sign fascist?
Wrong. White people invented liberty and wish to promote it. It is the clearly non-western people who wish to take it away.
Hah hah hah hah hah hah! I see you're not a very bright white nationalist. "White people invented liberty and wish to promote it" - that's some good comedy right there.
Do you have some sort of fascination of labeling things something they are not?
Oh the irony. . .

Besides, you're pretty easy to "label." You're a white supremacist (which is "white nationalist" by a more honest term. Look it up, meathead.) A proud one at that. That you wear your ignorance and pride on your sleeve is an asset to people who are trying to realistically deal with problems of racial and ethnic strife and disagreements. They know to ignore your ilk, as you have nothing constructive or intelligent to add to the situation. More often than not, people like you are a big part of the problem in the first place.

[raoul duke]

Not allowing someones point of view to be heard because most people disagree with them is criterion based censorship, which makes the censored second class with regards to media access.


Lie

I don't wonder about any of your misguided delusions. I have many brothers and sisters that feel the same way I do, and that's good enought for us.


Just data dude. Look on their sites at the user #s and post activity.

Again, whites invented freedom. If your white, stop being a self loathing, defeated pile of shaking marxisim and honor your ancestors. If you're not white, all I can say is typical.

Total marxist propaganda you're regurgitating. "Knowledge about white nationalism = ignorance". EVERY WN message board has an opposing views forum btw.
You really are a sad and insecure little man. I had no idea until you put your Swastika t-shirt on in this thread. Good thing you got your neo-Nazis (a movement rooted in fascism, btw) to keep you company. It must get lonely in that small paranoid little world of your's.

[Sock Puppet]

Yeah, made obvious by all the different ethnicities places like Stormfront welcome to their dialog.

Stormfront has many different forums in many different languages for all the ethnicities of Europe. Go check if you can handle the blow to your self esteem.

Well you really shouldn't complain about fascism while you tout your association with groups that are openly fascist in nature. i.e. Stormfront, Whitereference et al. Still ain't necessarily fascism, however. Is a stop sign fascist?

A stop sign isn't unconstitutional, unlike affirmative action. Maybe someday you'll be smart enought to figure these things out for yourself, and not rely on us big dumb WNs

Hah hah hah hah hah hah! I see you're not a very bright white nationalist. "White people invented liberty and wish to promote it" - that's some good comedy right there.

Yup! Free association for all. Jared Taylor of AMREN is the champion of this movement. again with the knowledge = stupidity. That is what makes me and anyone with a 7th grade comprehension laugh.

Oh the irony. . .

Besides, you're pretty easy to "label." You're a white supremacist (which is "white nationalist" by a more honest term. Look it up, meathead.) A proud one at that. That you wear your ignorance and pride on your sleeve is an asset to people who are trying to realistically deal with problems of racial and ethnic strife and disagreements. They know to ignore your ilk, as you have nothing constructive or intelligent to add to the situation. More often than not, people like you are a big part of the problem in the first place.
I'm not shy about my racism. I just like exposing the hypocrisy of marxists like yourself who try to sell 'civil rights' as something other than fascism itself. AA violates the constitution. The civil liberties act violates the constitution. That's actual fascism numbnuts!

Hey, if you're not happy with my point of view, why not be an advocate of free association. Imagine that 'disastrous' outcome when WNs, blacks, defeated whites and the non-white people who like to pork them, start forming their one communities, leave everyone alone, and stop bitchin'.

Sock Puppet just solved the problem of race relations in the US. FREE ASSOCIATION.

[Sock Puppet]

You really are a sad and insecure little man. I had no idea until you put your Swastika t-shirt on in this thread. Good thing you got your neo-Nazis (a movement rooted in fascism, btw) to keep you company. It must get lonely in that small paranoid little world of your's.
Don't call me a socialist! Thems fightin' words boy! I assure you, I'm no fan of Hitler. He was a Jew that killed a ton of whites, and not as many jews as was initially thought.

[therising]

Yes, BTT we get it -- race is a factor in the United States.

But, quite a while ago, when I asked you what can be help the issue, you said "that's not my job."

[Bringthetruth]

I won't be told what to do. That's fascism. If one wants to end racial problems, then allow people to associate freely. Then it would be over.

The emancipation proclomation said every body was free and equal, but did it really include african americans?

[winfield31]

The emancipation proclomation said every body was free and equal, but did it really include african americans?does anyone here believe all white Americans are free & equal also.........anyone here that naive ? "Everyone is created equal , HOWEVER , some are created a little MORE equal".............that goes for all races , religions , creeds , etc.

[Bringthetruth]

Yes, BTT we get it -- race is a factor in the United States.

But, quite a while ago, when I asked you what can be help the issue, you said "that's not my job."


Rising what I meant by it not being my job is my own sphere of influence is not the answer.

If we all sat down and discussed the facts and ills that govern our society and collectively wanted to help the cause and come up with solutions then that could be a great start.

That's why I implore you all to watch tonight at 8pm on cnn , so we could try and digest what the panel is bringing out to see if it's applicable.

[zanna vaida]

Will the race issue ever go away? No.
Will the ethnic issue ever go away? No.
It's has been provocatively entertaining. It keeps the audience wondered and hooked.

Who to blame that I wasn't born yellow or polka dot?
Have you seen a white person? Is it really white in collor? Is this topic controversial and provocative?

Too many questions? Let's create a new talk show.
This is how media makes money and people get in the center of attention.
Let's keep it rolling!!

Let's discuss a provocative topic.

[Bringthetruth]

Ok we have less that 10 min before the CNN special comes on a 8 pm.

I will discuss tommorow

[winfield31]

Ok we have less that 10 min before the CNN special comes on a 8 pm.

I will discuss tommorow6 minutes & counting , but who's counting ?

[Sock Puppet]

The emancipation proclomation said every body was free and equal, but did it really include african americans?
Sure, we had a separate but equal government financial redistribution system. I'm willing to admit that there was probably some flaws in that system. If i could go back in time, I would have tried everybody to fix the system. If blacks were getting screwed out of their tax dollars, that's not right. but it also isn't right for a neighboring town's tax dollars to 'uplift' a neighboring town for any reason. That's theft. If you want to be charitable and give your own money to a poor school system, good for you! But to have the government do it is theft. The outcome of 'sep but eq' was unequal, and the public was forced into forced fascist integration. The federal guns were pointed at the white people in Little Rock, not the blacks.

You see, whites were allowed to live peacefully by themselves until fascist racial integration took place. They were FREE to make the rules in their community, and so were the blacks. At that point those black men had the most freedoms in the entire history of the negro. They had black supremacy in their own towns with access to western technology. And for just exiting the stone age, the ex-slaves were doing quite well.

Why things went the way they did, I'm not entirely sure. But from reconstruction to present day America, who has taken over the US economic system while whites and minorities fight it out between each other? What is the ethnicity of EVERY member on the board of The Federal Reserve?

You see, this is no longer the land that the Europeans took from the natives. It's the land the Zionists took from the European man. You have conservatives, liberals, socialists, marxists, constitutionalists, centrists, men women, blacks, hispanics, bi-racial, neocons and what do they all have in common? A unwavering commitment to Israel. The diversity that you see on stage at the democratic debates is a hoax. THERE ARE NO IDEOLOGICAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ANY OF THEM.

Let me ask you a question....

What is you're position on free association?

[zanna vaida]

Are you O.K? Relax...
They are watching the talk show...

Later, they'll do their own...

Get ready.

[Linda_D]

I still believe the book "Black Like Me" should be REQUIRED reading in the high schools , John Howard Griffin's stirring & compeling story of his "experiment" in the south , specifically New Orleans would show not a lot has really changed , yet we've come hundreds of miles from the John Crow days.............change is aiways slow............

That's a great book. I read in in college a gazillion years ago, but I still remember parts of it. It's a real eye opener.

[raoul duke]

Let me ask you a question....

What is you're position on free association?
Being free to do so, like most of the people around here, I wouldn't be associating with you. That's the part you misunderstand. People don't want to hear you speak about race for the same reason the fire department does ask the arsonist how they should put out a fire. You're a big part of the problem.

[raoul duke]

Don't call me a socialist! Thems fightin' words boy! I assure you, I'm no fan of Hitler. He was a Jew that killed a ton of whites, and not as many jews as was initially thought.
Hah, wow. First, I didn't call you a socialist, I called you a Nazi. There is a difference.

Second, while you might not be a fan of Hitler - my guess is you are, but too much of coward to admit as much - your friends at Stormfront seem to dig him. Quite a lot actually. Are you sure you're as committed to "the cause" as you should be? As some of your "brothers" and "sisters" think you should be? Not for nothing, but it seems Hitler is d00d numero uno on the white nationalist mantle. If you read Stormfront.com. They also seem to embrace some of the ideals of socialism and have no problem openly discussing them.

But don't believe me, I'll let some of your brethren comment:

In a 'stickied' thread called, of all things, "National Socialism (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/national-socialism-451603.html)"
I am not a National Socialist, but I would like to learn more about it. Wherever I go to read up more about it I am always presented with a biased point of view which talks obsessively about totalitarianism and the Holocaust. I know that those things are not what true NS is all about.

To be honest, I find the American Nazi Party website to be less than helpful. I don't want to hear about race wars and other things. I want to hear about legitimate politics and philosophy. This is what I feel is missing from a lot of websites and the like. I've seen things on YouTube that talk about NS, but spout off about violent overthrow. I am turned off by this. I am not some angry teen looking for a release. I'm not interested in "Neo-Nazism", but rather traditional, true National Socialism.

Currently, I consider myself a Nationalist and self-define as a Conservative Libertarian and a National Capitalist. I've only lightly skimmed over Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf, and most of my reading on racial issues and news is done here on Stormfront. Religiously, I am a Christian.

To those members of Stormfront who follow this ideology, or who are knowledgeable: What is National Socialism, how does it vary from the typical idea of "socialism", and why are you a National Socialist?

Further, this thread could be used to debate/discuss anything relevant.

If you know whether I can be directed elsewhere, such as another website or another similar thread here on Stormfront, please do so.

What follows is a 100+ page discussion, very civilized at some parts, occasionally peppered with a popular call-out to Europe's most notorious fascist, about the benefits and problems with a nationalized economy. I think you have a lot of ass to kick over at Stormfront, "boy."

As for your history revisionism. . . well, you can only do so much for the gullible.

[zanna vaida]

Are you done?

The former Soviet government thought us, "We are moving toward communism." However, they didn't know if it existed.
You all know the final result.

[winfield31]

That's a great book. I read in in college a gazillion years ago, but I still remember parts of it. It's a real eye opener."Black Like Me" is a great book , sort of like a "telling" story as deep as "To Kill A Mockingbird"..............one can learn alot about past , present , & future race relations just by picking up a book............

[Bringthetruth]

And some of us know people who live it everyday

[winfield31]

And some of us know people who live it everydayBTT , are you writing about my post #36 ?

[Bringthetruth]

BTT , are you writing about my post #36 ?

Just adding to it.

[winfield31]

Just adding to it. Thank you :)

[Bringthetruth]

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2008/black.in.america/

wednesday and Thursday should be very interesting

[Sock Puppet]

Hah, wow. First, I didn't call you a socialist, I called you a Nazi. There is a difference.
Right, like there's a difference between a Roman Catholic and a Catholic. Unfortunately for you're argument, Everybody's still a Catholic, or a socialist as it were. Keep it up. Your giving a great demonstration of how marxists are non-thinkers.

Second, while you might not be a fan of Hitler - my guess is you are, but too much of coward to admit as much -
Outstanding! Show your hate for me to the readers. This is how people will begin to understand why marxist hate is a far worse than anything that racists have to offer.

your friends at Stormfront seem to dig him. Quite a lot actually. Are you sure you're as committed to "the cause" as you should be? As some of your "brothers" and "sisters" think you should be? Not for nothing, but it seems Hitler is d00d numero uno on the white nationalist mantle. If you read Stormfront.com. They also seem to embrace some of the ideals of socialism and have no problem openly discussing them.

Nazi symbols and images as avatars are banned on Stormfront. It's true. Those other symbols that you are surely mistaking for nazi symbols, are actually Indo-Eureopean pagan and wicken symbols.

Some WNs are really impressed with Hitler's fight against the jewish money changers that were influencing all of Europe (and still do along with the USA).
Others, like myself, see him as a planted troublemaker so lenders could make huge profits off the death of white people trying to kill each other. Many WNs are Libertarian, many are constitutionalists, a few are anarchists, but the cool thing is... We allow diversity of thought amongst our population. White Nationalism prides its self on free speech. Nothing is 'hateful', one just disagrees or agrees.

Being free to do so, like most of the people around here, I wouldn't be associating with you. That's the part you misunderstand. People don't want to hear you speak about race for the same reason the fire department does ask the arsonist how they should put out a fire. You're a big part of the problem.

And the grand finale! What an awesome display of intolerance from the one who is trying to sell unity. Your hypocrisy makes my points for me dude. Thanks.

You see folks, the problem isn't that people are intolerant. Being intolerant of things is an essential tool for survival, in the past and today. The ACTUAL problem is that the US Government FORCES us to be tolerant of things that might not make us comfortable. This is ACTUAL FASCISM. Fake fascism is what marxists like duke attempt to label white people with an interest in racial and cultural sustainability. Those are the facts, duke just diverts, misleads, and lies.

[Sock Puppet]

It was on the assassination of MLK. I was completely shocked that they talked about MLK's sexual deviancy. They are probably preparing the population for the release of the COINTELPRO tapes in 2025. Those should be interesting.

So they throw MLK under the bus with regards to his sexual habits, but defend Stan Levinson as a non-communist? Holy ****! There is FAR MORE evidence linking MLK and Levinson (jew) to communism than available information on MLK and his hoes. What's up with that?

I've read the FBI report on the MLK assination. JE Ray was a retard. Low achiever, never finished middle school, he was just a general dope.

So the show has his diary somehow and it reads as clear as day. I found this strange. They also failed to mention that the King family's official position is that JER was NOT the shooter.

[Bringthetruth]

It was on the assassination of MLK. I was completely shocked that they talked about MLK's sexual deviancy. They are probably preparing the population for the release of the COINTELPRO tapes in 2025. Those should be interesting.



I've read the FBI report on the MLK assination. JE Ray was a retard. Low achiever, never finished middle school, he was just a general dope.

So the show has his diary somehow and it reads as clear as day. I found this strange. They also failed to mention that the King family's official position is that JER was NOT the shooter.


Sockpuppet if you recall police were always talked about running to and from from the murder scene.


What I heard was a black cabbie who was sitting in his cab around the area of the Lorraine hotel saw a memphis policeman run from the murder scene and jump into his police cruiser.

The cabbie told many in the community about the policeman fleeing the scene and within a few hours the cabbie was murdered.

So my answer would be a memphia police officer shot and killed MLK

[Sock Puppet]

Sockpuppet if you recall police were always talked about running to and from from the murder scene.


What I heard was a black cabbie who was sitting in his cab around the area of the Lorraine hotel saw a memphis policeman run from the murder scene and jump into his police cruiser.

The cabbie told many in the community about the policeman fleeing the scene and within a few hours the cabbie was murdered.

So my answer would be a memphia police officer shot and killed MLK
If so, why? (I'm asking you to speculate)

[TOOLBAGS]

"Black Like Me" is a great book , sort of like a "telling" story as deep as "To Kill A Mockingbird"..............one can learn alot about past , present , & future race relations just by picking up a book............
Good book indeed. TY senior High English teacher. I never would have picked it up otherwise.

[winfield31]

Good book indeed. TY senior High English teacher. I never would have picked it up otherwise.I'm not sure how or why I read this book , but at about the same time , I also was reading "Soul On Ice" by Eldridge Cleaver which he wrote while in prison , start of book was great , then it got too deep for me , but very good read none the less...........To ease up on intense reading , I read "Marley & Me" , about the canine "race" to lighten things up...........:)

[raoul duke]

So how was the show? (I don't have cable.)

[zanna vaida]

So how was the show? (I don't have cable.)


I'd like to know, too.

[Bringthetruth]

If so, why? (I'm asking you to speculate)

The memphis police officer was just a mule for the FBI, CIA , MOB, nobody would ever look for and accuse law enforcement guy with something like this.

The wooded bush area where they cut down the bushes the next day is where the alleged shooter pull the trigger.

MLK knew if they could knock off the president, then assasinating him would not be hard at all.

King knew he would be murdered, but didn't know when.

It was another inside job.

[Surfing USA]

"Black Like Me" is a great book , sort of like a "telling" story as deep as "To Kill A Mockingbird"..............one can learn alot about past , present , & future race relations just by picking up a book............
Or you can just watch this 16 second clip. :D

Past, Present & Future Race Relations
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[Sock Puppet]

The memphis police officer was just a mule for the FBI, CIA , MOB, nobody would ever look for and accuse law enforcement guy with something like this.

The wooded bush area where they cut down the bushes the next day is where the alleged shooter pull the trigger.

MLK knew if they could knock off the president, then assasinating him would not be hard at all.

King knew he would be murdered, but didn't know when.

It was another inside job.
Ok, but WHY? Who wanted him dead and why? I think this discussion leads to the real purpose of MLK. Do you think it was some loose cannon white guy shootin' that uppity darkie in honor of the KKK? Or possibly there were other conspirators?

[Bringthetruth]

Ok, but WHY? Who wanted him dead and why? I think this discussion leads to the real purpose of MLK. Do you think it was some loose cannon white guy shootin' that uppity darkie in honor of the KKK? Or possibly there were other conspirators?


MLK was gaining to much power in america as was Malcom X, for the powers that be to deal with.

MLK was trying to change the hearts of americans with non-violence on how we viewed and dealt with one another.

He was a threat Just Like Jesus was a threat to the religious leaders of his day, but in this case"THE POWERS THAT BE"

[raoul duke]

Right, like there's a difference between a Roman Catholic and a Catholic. Unfortunately for you're argument, Everybody's still a Catholic, or a socialist as it were. Keep it up. Your giving a great demonstration of how marxists are non-thinkers.
Could you care to explain how anyone here is a Marxist?

I'm sure you feel like a big man throwing smart words like Marxism around. Too bad you don't know what you're talking about. As for the the difference between a socialist and a Nazi: The Nazi's were socialist, for the most part, in name only (fascism was their form of government.) There was enormous animosity within the Third Reich towards the classically liberal social and economic policies that are the bellwethers of a socialist form of government. But like I said, you're not a socialist and, like Marxism, I doubt you have much of an intelligent concept of what the system actually entails.

You're a fascist. You get angry when people call you out on it, but you support and promote sites that cater to fascism. If you're not a fascist, why are you sticking up for a web site that, by the shear adoration of Hitler and the Third Reich, is - by and large - fascist?

Keep calling me a Marxist if it turns you on. It's meaningless. Made even more so because I'm pretty sure you have no clue what you're talking about. But it's an entertaining read; as you fall back on tired name-calling.

This one needs a little context -

Second, while you might not be a fan of Hitler - my guess is you are, but too much of coward to admit as much -
Outstanding! Show your hate for me to the readers. This is how people will begin to understand why marxist hate is a far worse than anything that racists have to offer.
I don't hate you and I never have and never will. What I did do was call you a coward and I believe you are one.

And seriously, lose the Marxist crap. Just because you know a historical word you don't necessarily need to throw it around like you actually know what it means. (You obviously do not, btw.) It makes you look dumb (or dumber, as the case me be.) To borrow and somewhat paraphrase your quote: "Outstanding! Show your lack of reading comprehension to the readers."

You got nothing else? Like, say, any kind of explanation as to why you think I'm a Marxist other than it's one of the current buzz words being thrown around by people afraid of a black president.
your friends at Stormfront seem to dig him. Quite a lot actually. Are you sure you're as committed to "the cause" as you should be? As some of your "brothers" and "sisters" think you should be? Not for nothing, but it seems Hitler is d00d numero uno on the white nationalist mantle. If you read Stormfront.com. They also seem to embrace some of the ideals of socialism and have no problem openly discussing them.
Nazi symbols and images as avatars are banned on Stormfront. It's true. Those other symbols that you are surely mistaking for nazi symbols, are actually Indo-Eureopean pagan and wicken symbols.
Again, your lack of reading comprehension is leaving you wanting. No where did I mention Nazi symbols or images (though links to other sites with said visual paraphernalia are plentiful on Stormfront.) I wrote, and I'll quote it again for you, "f you [i]read Stormfront.com." Posting "Heil Hitler!" without a corresponding Swastika doesn't muddle the message that much. Well except maybe for people that need pictures to explain the words (something most of us progressed away from in 4th or 5th grade.) I guess I could see how that might be a problem on Stromfront.
Some WNs are really impressed with Hitler's fight against the jewish money changers that were influencing all of Europe (and still do along with the USA).

Others, like myself, see him as a planted troublemaker so lenders could make huge profits off the death of white people trying to kill each other. Many WNs are Libertarian, many are constitutionalists, a few are anarchists, but the cool thing is... We allow diversity of thought amongst our population. White Nationalism prides its self on free speech. Nothing is 'hateful', one just disagrees or agrees.
Diversity of thought and free speech - as long as it revolves around a central premise of white superiority. That's not diverse or free. That's racism.
Being free to do so, like most of the people around here, I wouldn't be associating with you. That's the part you misunderstand. People don't want to hear you speak about race for the same reason the fire department does ask the arsonist how they should put out a fire. You're a big part of the problem.
And the grand finale! What an awesome display of intolerance from the one who is trying to sell unity. Your hypocrisy makes my points for me dude. Thanks.
Who said anything about unity? ("Unity" being another buzzword, btw, albeit a 2nd string and paradoxical one in the white supremacy world.) The only reason your responses make sense to yourself is that you ignore what I actually said and pretend I meant something else.

You see folks.,
Folks? Yes, please lecture us Mr. Puppet (a handle that is eerily apt.) Tell us how it really is. . . :rolleyes:
the problem isn't that people are intolerant. Being intolerant of things is an essential tool for survival, in the past and today.
Whoa! Part of the reason people like yourself get left out the discussion by more sane, generally intelligent people is because part of your argument is that the problem being addressed is, ideologically or philosophically, not a problem. Being intolerant (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intolerant), as Merriam-Webster defines it, is not exactly the intolerance we are talking about in this thread. Context is key and while "[b]eing intolerant of things is an essential tool for survival" is physiologically and metabolically true, it's not a catch-all application for the word intolerance or intolerant. It's the motivations and the reasons for the intolerance. When you are "intolerant" of someone based solely by the color of their skin or their ethnicity (and your movement most certainly is,) you are not being naturally intolerant like some physiological reaction to a poison (a trait that is required for any species to evolve.) You are being intolerant based on a predetermined and usually under-educated bias.

Why intolerance? I think because we're all animals. We share 90% of our DNA with every living creature on the planet. Tribalism doesn't die, it just gets reorganized. Sometimes quickly, sometimes progressively over time. You're not "standing up" for or defending anything, you're resisting change as it naturally occurs and has naturally occurred over recorded history. By Merriam and Webster's first and most plaintive definition of intolerance, you are "unable or unwilling to endure."
The ACTUAL problem is that the US Government FORCES us to be tolerant of things that might not make us comfortable.
Hold on for one second there guy. Since when has it ever been the government's job to make sure people are not made uncomfortable? You better check your political ideology, because I'm sure it's direct conflict with that statement.
This is ACTUAL FASCISM.
Just like that stop sign we talked about a little while ago. In other words - No, it's not fascism. Not even by the least argued about and straightforward definition accepted by dictionaries.
Fake fascism is what marxists like duke attempt to label white people with an interest in racial and cultural sustainability. Those are the facts, duke just diverts, misleads, and lies.
Again with the pretending what I wrote (and the Marxism silliness). . . Though I guess I can see how you might have to change the words and context as the other ones get shut down by a subsequent post or simple logic. Well, I'm gonna kill off your "white people" and "sustainability" non-sense. Since when has any culture been truly sustainable? When you say sustainable, you actually mean intolerant and least unchanging. The whole premise of sustaining any culture is fallacious and the result of any static culture is what Darwinism partly meant when we say "thinning the heard." And lets be honest with ourselves, "white culture" is not threatened. No, really, it's not. Is it being integrated with other cultures? Sure. But that's been happening since the dawn of man and the only road blocks it ever runs into are movements like the Third Reich. Which I guess might explain the Hitler fanboys on Stormfront.

Odd thing is, from reading more of the ever-charming Stormfront.com and other noted "White Nationalist" sites, I'm beginning to see a pattern that belies notions of individual or free thought. A lot of you guys seem to say the same thing, sometimes with nearly identical phrasing that would hint at using the ol' "ctrl-c to ctrl-v" method, though not often. But when you wrote "White Nationalism prides its self on free speech" and "[n]othing is 'hateful', one just disagrees or agrees" both sounded very familiar in tone.

It's great you pride yourself on free speech. I don't think it's necessarily true and I think you bigots liberally apply the over generalized meaning of the phrase. Your free speech, the ability to march done a street or hold a rally, I'm sure you take great pride in. That you get to have your rallies and marches gives me pride in our society. But "free speech" does not mean the right to be listened to or to be taken seriously or constructively. It's that free association thing. You're not excluded because everyone else is aligned to silence you. You get excluded because anyone with a grasp of logic and WWII history can see you for what you are and, for the most part, they're repulsed. They could careless about what you have to say to them. The core beliefs of your movement say enough for people not to consider your POV that intelligent or constructive. That's free association. Maybe not to your liking, but what's good for the goose and all that.

You claim (wildly, I might add,) that "nothing is 'hateful'" and it's only a matter of disagreement. Bullocks! My theory, reinforced from some interesting reading I've done since this thread went Gold™, is that ideologies that claim to be free from "hate" usually rely on it heavily to grow their movement. History is laden which examples. Your's ain't the first and it probably won't be the last.

[Bringthetruth]

Or you can just watch this 16 second clip. :D

Past, Present & Future Race Relations
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Is this what you are afraid of to be known by all people?

[Sock Puppet]

Could you care to explain how anyone here is a Marxist?
Sure... Let me start by asking if you are familiar with white privilege, race hustlers, racial 'double standards' and 'political correctness'? Regardless of your feelings about the magnitude of these phenomena, I'm sure your at least familiar with the general idea of these concepts. WP, RH, PC and RDS are fairly new words to the western vernacular, but the controlling concepts are over 150 years old.

Simply put, anyone supporting government redistribution of wealth, resources, rights, privileges or power to the proletariat (marketed victims) is a marxist. The people who are undeserving of these financial and social goodies are thought of as 'bourgeois'.

So now you have Sock Puppet... the WN, proud of his European heritage, racially conscious, admirer of the white American founding fathers in their attempts at liberty (liberty is based on property), sovereignty for all citizens, promoter of property rights, wanting a restricted federal government, and having an interest in preserving western culture, customs and values.

I am clearly fighting a losing battle. Not only is nothing going my way, but when I speak out against the forces that are attacking the things that I hold dear, I'm told that my words are hateful, that I'm a coward, a racist (as a pejorative), and a fascist.

Nelson Mandela was a fascist and an actual terrorist, and Europe celebrates his birthday.

MLK and his communist handlers Promoted the unconstitutional Civil Rights Act, he was a infidel, and plagiarized his way to a doctorate from BC. He now has a national holiday.

Malcolm X is a genuine fascist, but referred to as a 'civil rights leader'

I am the exact opposite of a fascist. People get confused because I point out how whites are getting screwed by immigration and affirmative action. But my politics are not based in race. My personal choices for association certainly are, but I always fight to promote the Republic for which our flag stands. It's the white thing to do.

;)

So by the duke attacking me (the bourgeoisie) and my views, and ignoring the flaws of blacks (the proletariat) makes him a marxist.

[Bringthetruth]

[QUOTE=Sock Puppet]

People get confused because I point out how whites are getting screwed by immigration and affirmative action. But my politics are not based in race. QUOTE]


Stop clowning, how many years did minorities get screwd and wasn't even considered equal even if they fought for this country and died for it for decades. And in many places people they still aren't considered equal.

[raoul duke]

Sure... Let me start by asking if you are familiar with white privilege, race hustlers, racial 'double standards' and 'political correctness'? Regardless of your feelings about the magnitude of these phenomena, I'm sure your at least familiar with the general idea of these concepts. WP, RH, PC and RDS are fairly new words to the western vernacular, but the controlling concepts are over 150 years old.
150? Try thousands of years old. As old as human existance. The wheel was invented a long long time ago.
Simply put, anyone supporting government redistribution of wealth, resources, rights, privileges or power to the proletariat (marketed victims) is a marxist. The people who are undeserving of these financial and social goodies are thought of as 'bourgeois'.
Simply put, that's a fantasy or maybe a incomplete recitation of the French Revolution. It ain't demonstrable in this society. I suppose you might have had an argument if wealth, resources, rights, privileges and power was actually being redistributed to the "proletariat." Unfortunately that's hardly true these days. In fact, most available data points to a trend in the opposite direction.
So now you have Sock Puppet... the WN, proud of his European heritage, racially conscious, admirer of the white American founding fathers in their attempts at liberty (liberty is based on property), sovereignty for all citizens, promoter of property rights, wanting a restricted federal government, and having an interest in preserving western culture, customs and values.
Aw, poor Sock Puppet. Why do you get to hold onto your European heritage, while white nationalist movement and corresponding websites spend countless hours complaining that immigrants do not integrate enough into American society? (Save yourself the embarrassment, I know the answer and it's part of the reason fascism is popular in White Nationalist Land™.) There is a Miniver Cheevy quality to that last paragraph, however. If only, dear Miniver, you had been alive when your glorious "white founding Fathers" were busy making "their attempts at liberty." (How does one "attempt" liberty?) Then you would be aware that, initially, it was not "liberty based on property" (by which, I assume you mean land ownership,) it was liberty predicated on the ownership of property. Though that has long since changed, partly through the devaluation of land once the government started practically giving it away in the early 19th century. A lot of the people who experienced "liberty" for the first time under the newly minted Constitution did so as a direct result of a government hand-out. Namely anyone who was not already a landowner. i.e. Most of the people.
I am clearly fighting a losing battle. Not only is nothing going my way, but when I speak out against the forces that are attacking the things that I hold dear, I'm told that my words are hateful, that I'm a coward, a racist (as a pejorative), and a fascist.
If the shoe fits. . . You could probably shake the coward bit if you were more honest with yourself. Though I don't recall anyone calling you hateful. (I'm sure it's crossed some minds. Not mine, however.)

And here's the other thing: "I'm told that my words are hateful." It ain't yer words, it's the implicit meanings and reasons behind them most people find hateful. How would you wish for society to redefine "racism" to suit your tender sensibilities? The word is almost exclusively pejorative outside of scholarly and clinical settings. But just because you ain't wearing the linens on a Friday night, don't mean you ain't a racist. (Pejoratively speaking, in case you were wondering.) Likewise, just because your group adores and honors the Third Reich, Hitler and other fascist leaders doesn't make you. . . oh, wait, yes it does make you a fascist. Or at least an unwilling-to-commit hanger-on.

You can split and parse and point to this phrase that, when put together with this other non-linear idea, makes you not a fascist. But all you need is the Wiki entry for fascism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism), functional literacy and about 15 minutes at Stormfront.com (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/).
Nelson Mandela was a fascist and an actual terrorist, and Europe celebrates his birthday.

MLK and his communist handlers Promoted the unconstitutional Civil Rights Act, he was a infidel, and plagiarized his way to a doctorate from BC. He now has a national holiday.

Malcolm X is a genuine fascist, but referred to as a 'civil rights leader'
Aha, poor Puppet. Here is where your incredible misunderstanding of fascism is glaring. Fascism, universally, promotes statist nationalism ("statist" meaning little to no change) and generally denies and denounces the idea of a class war. All three of those leaders were decidedly anti-statist and were leaders in what was, essentially, a class war.

I am the exact opposite of a fascist. People get confused because I point out how whites are getting screwed by immigration and affirmative action. But my politics are not based in race. My personal choices for association certainly are, but I always fight to promote the Republic for which our flag stands.
No one, 'cept for yourself, is confused. But you are a fascist. Make no mistake about it. You miss the whole point. Like we're uniformed and thankfully you're looking out for whitey.

Has it ever occurred to you that you're a little behind the times? You see groups of people enjoying a little more prosperity and recognition and immediately go into victim mode. You're the one "getting screwed" because you instantly assume some stranger's gain is your loss. As if "liberty" was finite and there's only so much to go around.

But whatever, your world view, like you said is "clearly fighting a losing battle." Not because you're being outflanked or censored. (I'm not sure there has ever been a time when the white nationalist voice could make itself more heard. Just look at the stats, like you mentioned a while ago.) Rather it's because people are moving on from your particular brand of ignorance, namely racial ignorance. Don't worry, there will be other forms of ignorance to latch onto. There always is. People are more educated, more aware and more liberally open-minded (liberal in the clinical sense, not political) thanks to the very technology that allows you to more easily find your knuckle-dragging bretheren in this world.

Things change and evolve, you fight that at your own peril. When you lose that fight - no one ever truly wins it - then you lose for real. In your movement's case, I don't see people really caring that much as you cross over the horizon of history. Good riddance.

That's not to say all is lost. Your movement has hope. But if you're to be believed, people like you standing directly in it's way. That way is fascism. Radicalized, like other right-wing factions in recent history, you can grab power disproportionate to your actual base and/or sphere of influence. A couple of lucky breaks and you could be the reincarnation of the Third Reich (I think I just heard a cheer go up at Vanguard.) But it's a Catch-22, so I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
It's the white thing to do.

;)
I'll bet that kills at the bathhouse.
So by the duke attacking me (the bourgeoisie) and my views, and ignoring the flaws of blacks (the proletariat) makes him a marxist.
You're the bourgeoisie? HAH HAH HAH HAH!!! Go read a real history book fer cryin' out loud. You're embarrassing yourself. Seriously, man. Bourgeoisie. . . that's classic. Also, stop being a wuss. The victim act is tired and. . .well, wussy.

[raoul duke]

People get confused because I point out how whites are getting screwed by immigration and affirmative action. But my politics are not based in race.


Stop clowning, how many years did minorities get screwd and wasn't even considered equal even if they fought for this country and died for it for decades. And in many places people they still aren't considered equal.
His "history" is a little limited. So I'm going to guess his answer is - never. Why you got so much hate BTT? Why?

[Sock Puppet]

Stop clowning, how many years did minorities get screwd and wasn't even considered equal even if they fought for this country and died for it for decades. And in many places people they still aren't considered equal.
Ask me if I care about minorities.

[raoul duke]

Ask me if I care about minorities.
Now can you see why people like yourself get excluded from serious discussions regarding the plight of minorities?

[Bringthetruth]

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2008/black.in.america/

Tonight at 9pm CNN Tonight, we invite you to be a part of history. Watch the next installment of the CNN Presents: Black in America series, "The Black Woman & Family," then share your thoughts, reactions and stories.

[Sock Puppet]

150? Try thousands of years old. As old as human existance. The wheel was invented a long long time ago.

Yeah, but Marxists are using thees time old traditions to mislead the public as to who are the the actual bourgeois.

Simply put, that's a fantasy or maybe a incomplete recitation of the French Revolution. It ain't demonstrable in this society. I suppose you might have had an argument if wealth, resources, rights, privileges and power was actually being redistributed to the "proletariat." Unfortunately that's hardly true these days. In fact, most available data points to a trend in the opposite direction.

Preferences for minorities in job placements, college admissions, financial aid, scholarships, grants, and contracts are a reality. Someday I hope you learn to live in it.

Aw, poor Sock Puppet. Why do you get to hold onto your European heritage, while white nationalist movement and corresponding websites spend countless hours complaining that immigrants do not integrate enough into American society? (Save yourself the embarrassment, I know the answer and it's part of the reason fascism is popular in White Nationalist Land™.) There is a Miniver Cheevy quality to that last paragraph, however. If only, dear Miniver, you had been alive when your glorious "white founding Fathers" were busy making "their attempts at liberty." (How does one "attempt" liberty?)

The Founding Fathers had a good start, but as we can see by the actions of our current President, they couldn't make it stick. They tried, liberty had a good run. If people don't wake up soon the US will loose it completely. Stop being dumb

Then you would be aware that, initially, it was not "liberty based on property" (by which, I assume you mean land ownership,) it was liberty predicated on the ownership of property. Though that has long since changed, partly through the devaluation of land once the government started practically giving it away in the early 19th century. A lot of the people who experienced "liberty" for the first time under the newly minted Constitution did so as a direct result of a government hand-out. Namely anyone who was not already a landowner. i.e. Most of the people.

You assume incorrectly and, not surprisingly, are woefully uneducated in the nature of liberty. Liberty is based on personal property of any nature; land, labor, business, assets, whatever. Liberty is the inalienable right to do what you wish with your property, as long as you don't violate the rights of others. Marxists ultimate goal is to eliminate personal property.

If the shoe fits. . . You could probably shake the coward bit if you were more honest with yourself. Though I don't recall anyone calling you hateful. (I'm sure it's crossed some minds. Not mine, however.)

I don't understand why you would think I'm being dishonest. Do you think my positions are easy to sustain? Are they popular? Is there easy access to credible sources that articulates my feelings? Really? This is what you think?

And here's the other thing: "I'm told that my words are hateful." It ain't yer words, it's the implicit meanings and reasons behind them most people find hateful. How would you wish for society to redefine "racism" to suit your tender sensibilities? The word is almost exclusively pejorative outside of scholarly and clinical settings. But just because you ain't wearing the linens on a Friday night, don't mean you ain't a racist. (Pejoratively speaking, in case you were wondering.) Likewise, just because your group adores and honors the Third Reich, Hitler and other fascist leaders doesn't make you. . . oh, wait, yes it does make you a fascist. Or at least an unwilling-to-commit hanger-on.

Hey, If it's that important to you, I'm a freedom fascist :D It's a good thing!

You can split and parse and point to this phrase that, when put together with this other non-linear idea, makes you not a fascist. But all you need is the Wiki entry for fascism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism), functional literacy and about 15 minutes at Stormfront.com (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/).

Aha, poor Puppet. Here is where your incredible misunderstanding of fascism is glaring. Fascism, universally, promotes statist nationalism ("statist" meaning little to no change) and generally denies and denounces the idea of a class war. All three of those leaders were decidedly anti-statist and were leaders in what was, essentially, a class war.

You think white nationalists are satisfied with the status quo? AA, immigration and jews running the Fed? This is what we want to preserve? This is what you think? Stop being dumb.

Everything MLK, NM and X did was race based. Everything. Also, whites living in poverty has ALWAYS outnumbered the blacks in poverty. To say any of those mooks had any desire to uplift all is simply a lie.

No one, 'cept for yourself, is confused. But you are a fascist. Make no mistake about it. You miss the whole point. Like we're uniformed and thankfully you're looking out for whitey.

A fascist fighting for freedom of association. It's growing on me! I'm kinda liking it!

Has it ever occurred to you that you're a little behind the times? You see groups of people enjoying a little more prosperity and recognition and immediately go into victim mode. You're the one "getting screwed" because you instantly assume some stranger's gain is your loss. As if "liberty" was finite and there's only so much to go around.

The declining liberties we have in this country are limitless because it is the law of the land, but we've all been watching them disappear right before our eyes. So to say that liberty is endless in this day and age is crazy, you sound like McCain, but the jobs are actually leaving. And an illegal immigrants gain in this country is every citizens loss. And an affirmative action appointment IS the loss of the higher qualified.

But whatever, your world view, like you said is "clearly fighting a losing battle." Not because you're being outflanked or censored. (I'm not sure there has ever been a time when the white nationalist voice could make itself more heard. Just look at the stats, like you mentioned a while ago.) Rather it's because people are moving on from your particular brand of ignorance, namely racial ignorance. Don't worry, there will be other forms of ignorance to latch onto. There always is. People are more educated, more aware and more liberally open-minded (liberal in the clinical sense, not political) thanks to the very technology that allows you to more easily find your knuckle-dragging bretheren in this world.

Knuckle dragging? If you said this to a black person in the media, it would undoubtedly be construed as hate. But since you're communicating with a WN, it's not. This is a great example of WNs being socially bourgeois. Thanks for allowing me to demonstrate this for the lurkers.

Things change and evolve, you fight that at your own peril. When you lose that fight - no one ever truly wins it - then you lose for real. In your movement's case, I don't see people really caring that much as you cross over the horizon of history. Good riddance.

That's not to say all is lost. Your movement has hope. But if you're to be believed, people like you standing directly in it's way. That way is fascism. Radicalized, like other right-wing factions in recent history, you can grab power disproportionate to your actual base and/or sphere of influence. A couple of lucky breaks and you could be the reincarnation of the Third Reich (I think I just heard a cheer go up at Vanguard.) But it's a Catch-22, so I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

Really, your definition fascism from pinkopedia is worthless. Fascism has to do with private control (of a non-democratic nature) of the government. Do a little more work on this, you'll see that I'm right. Anyway, non-wikipedia fascism is EXACTLY what I fight, and will continue to do so.

I'll bet that kills at the bathhouse.
Ich würde nicht wissen

You're the bourgeoisie? HAH HAH HAH HAH!!! Go read a real history book fer cryin' out loud. You're embarrassing yourself. Seriously, man. Bourgeoisie. . . that's classic. Also, stop being a wuss. The victim act is tired and. . .well, wussy.

Now can you see why people like yourself get excluded from serious discussions regarding the plight of minorities?

Thank you for the final example of how marxists are thought police. All people deserve a voice. Not just the weak ones who walk in lock-step with the company line.

[raoul duke]

*sigh*

I don't understand why you would think I'm being dishonest. Do you think my positions are easy to sustain? Are they popular?
Huh? Have you read what I wrote? I figured we were pretty clear about what I think of your "positions." Sustainability is the furthest thing from my mind.
Is there easy access to credible sources that articulates my feelings?
No, there are no credible sources.
Really?
Yes, really - even the nominally credible "sources" are almost always completely stripped of any sort of verifiable or realistic context.
This is what you think?
Yes.
*sigh*

Whatever, d00d. I hope you really enjoy living like you're a victim. You sure as hell play a great one on the interwebz. Retard.

[Sock Puppet]

When you've been reduced to a shriveling pile of insults,

you know you've been pwnt. :D


Thanks again for playing.

[raoul duke]

When you've been reduced to a shriveling pile of insults,

you know you've been pwnt. :D



Thanks again for playing.
Well actually the real insult was put there in lieu of another thread in the zoo. I suppose I did mean it to sting (or be insulting), but I also meant it in it's practical sense. You really have a tenuous grasp on logic and history* - notably American history.

But please, one more rejoinder with your buzz-words and BS correlations. They're getting stale by now, but still somewhat amusing.

Retard.

- - -

*Hell, for only the past few days I've been lurking at some of the White "Nationalist" sites and I'm can already come up with a better argument for your position than you that doesn't: require a gross rewrite of history, use fallacious logic or rely on demonstrably and factually false views of politics and our political system. Of course the argument wouldn't be as hateful as you might like, but at least the 'dog whistles' would still work. I wouldn't support it as I find the whole concept repulsive, reactionary and regressive.

(Btw, regarding a previous post - "freedom fascist" is a contradiction in terms. If you're smart about it, choose brand of fascism that can logically exist. Just sayin')

[Bringthetruth]

getting this thread back on track.

Last night on cnn "being black in america" they had on a couple where the husband was white an the wife was black.

They were debating how they would raise their children would thee children call themselves black or white.

The came to the conclusion that the children were considered black amongst their peers, and the husbands family didn't accept the wife for yrs before they came around.


So I ASK Why do black accept whites into the family more than white people accept blacks ?

[Sock Puppet]

*Hell, for only the past few days I've been lurking at some of the White "Nationalist" sites and I'm can already come up with a better argument for your position than you that doesn't: require a gross rewrite of history, use fallacious logic or rely on demonstrably and factually false views of politics and our political system. Of course the argument wouldn't be as hateful as you might like, but at least the 'dog whistles' would still work. I wouldn't support it as I find the whole concept repulsive, reactionary and regressive.

(Btw, regarding a previous post - "freedom fascist" is a contradiction in terms. If you're smart about it, choose brand of fascism that can logically exist. Just sayin')

Has anyone noticed that duke has been unable to articulate how my statements have supposed inaccuracies, and only accuse. I'm sure it's because I'm spot-on, and he's full of it. duke, Your posts have the intellectual substance of a marshmallow... Plenty of sweet stuff, but composed mainly of nothing.

[mesue]

...
So I ASK Why do black accept whites into the family more than white people accept blacks ?
You watched ONE show and came to this conclusion?

[BuffalosFinest]

Because black people are cooler.

[raoul duke]

Has anyone noticed that duke has been unable to articulate how my statements have supposed inaccuracies, and only accuse. I'm sure it's because I'm spot-on, and he's full of it. duke, Your posts have the intellectual substance of a marshmallow... Plenty of sweet stuff, but composed mainly of nothing.
Whatever, tough guy. I've explained myself. It ain't my fault you're retarded racist.

[mesue]

Because black people are cooler.
some are, some aren't.

[BuffalosFinest]

uh...i know.

[Bannister]

getting this thread back on track.

Last night on cnn "being black in america" they had on a couple where the husband was white an the wife was black.

They were debating how they would raise their children would thee children call themselves black or white.

The came to the conclusion that the children were considered black amongst their peers, and the husbands family didn't accept the wife for yrs before they came around.


So I ASK Why do black accept whites into the family more than white people accept blacks ?

BTT,

Just wanted to let you know I'm not ignoring your thread. I have the shows from this weekend and last night on Tivo and haven't gotten to see them yet. I'll be taping tonight's as well.

As soon as I've seen them I'll post my thoughts.

[Sock Puppet]

So I ASK Why do black accept whites into the family more than white people accept blacks ?
This is because blacks are getting the better end of the deal. Mulatto offspring are considered black by the government and most people seem to follow the government 'one drop' rule. This makes it impossible to have a white child in a b/w marriage. All ethnicity is lost to the negro traits regardless of how little they have. Tiger Woods is 1/2 Asian and 1/4 negro... but he's advertised as black.

Have any of you ever seen the new president of the NAACP?
http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/ben-jealous-2.jpg
I give you Ben Jealous pictured on the right (that's his actual name). I'm guessing he's 'been jealous' of all the people with an equal amount of mongoloid blood as he has negro blood, and can still call themselves white.

White people are the most creative people on the planet.

White Aryan roots go all the way back to the earliest civilization of Mesopotamia. There still are a significant number of Aryans living in Iran today.

Negroes, regardless of the cause, on average are the least intelligent of all ethnic groups. This is not an insult, it's just a fact.

Negroes, regardless of the cause, on average are the most violent of all ethnic groups. This is not an insult, it's just a fact.

Where do whites win? The answer is, they don't. There is nothing the white race has to benefit from by breeding with the negro. Subconsciously, I think all whites know this to be true, but political correctness makes it difficult to speak out in the name of the white race.

[raoul duke]

Heh (http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/White_nationalism#White_Nationalist_Facts). Too funny.
Blacks and other mud races are taking over the world. Despite the fact that rich and upper-middle-class white people own 80% of the world's property and control 70%+ of the world's resources while only constituting 3% of the world's population, they are in serious danger from the mud people who are quickly taking over. Wait...all the rich white people must be Jews because only Jews control money, so nobody who is rich is white! And European Jews aren't white so that means the mud people have already infiltrated! Remember how black people took over Europe and put white people in slavery? It could happen again!