is americorp moving?

[leavintown]

After reading the article in the Buffalo News, will West Seneca be losing Americorp? Rumor has it that they may have a new home in Cheektowaga. Does anyone know if this is true?

[WNYresident]

Why would they move locations?

[leavintown]

Well according to the article, the Supervisor wants to separate Americorp from the town government, as well as stating the residents have complained for years about this program. This seems like the beginning of the end of Americorp in West Seneca. Is the writting on the wall. I have lived in this town my entire life and feel that Americorp has added to this town.

[FisherRd]

"manuel" would be the person to ask. He's the authority.

[Niagara]

"manuel" would be the person to ask. He's the authority.
No, the one to ask is another poster. He might know.

For my part, Wallace Peotrowski has been a disaster. I think for Americorp's part, it would be a good move. They need a sponsor, otherwise they can be anywhere. Nobody wants to be where they are not wanted, and WP has made it know he does not want them together with many posters on this web site. Maybe the skin color of some of the workers was offensive to some. In the end, if they leave, it will cost the town money, not save it. But fear not, we will still have Wallace Peotrowski to make it right.

[yokes]

No, the one to ask is another poster. He might know.

For my part, Wallace Peotrowski has been a disaster. I think for Americorp's part, it would be a good move. They need a sponsor, otherwise they can be anywhere. Nobody wants to be where they are not wanted, and WP has made it know he does not want them together with many posters on this web site. Maybe the skin color of some of the workers was offensive to some. In the end, if they leave, it will cost the town money, not save it. But fear not, we will still have Wallace Peotrowski to make it right.

Did you really just try to turn this into a race issue?

No I must have read this wrong.

[Niagara]

Did you really just try to turn this into a race issue?

No I must have read this wrong.
No, you read it right. I did not try to turn anything. I have ears, and I have heard.

Another beef is that the grounds are hard to keepup for the WS Grounds crew. They say the Americorp does not have the equipment, so the extra work falls to them. That the flower beds are a nightmare for upkeep. That the Grounds is understaffed, and that extra is added, but nothing extra is allocated for upkeep.

I think many of the complainers are themselves town employees. Town residents yes, but also town employees.

[WNYresident]

No, you read it right. I did not try to turn anything. I have ears, and I have heard.

Another beef is that the grounds are hard to keepup for the WS Grounds crew. They say the Americorp does not have the equipment, so the extra work falls to them. That the flower beds are a nightmare for upkeep. That the Grounds is understaffed, and that extra is added, but nothing extra is allocated for upkeep.

I think many of the complainers are themselves town employees. Town residents yes, but also town employees.

Then pay the "Administration" less and buy some yard tools.

[FisherRd]

No, the one to ask is another poster. He might know.



Mark,
Let's not be coy. People are opening the curtains and you don't want any of the light to be let in, it's understandable. It's not right, but it's understandable.

[Niagara]

Mark,
Let's not be coy. People are opening the curtains and you don't want any of the light to be let in, it's understandable. It's not right, but it's understandable.
Fisher, you are so funny. Mark is here, or he probably will be later, but I am not him. He no doubt will get a charge out of your confusion.

[Niagara]

Then pay the "Administration" less and buy some yard tools.
I am all for that, consolidate, and get ride of a whole bunch of "Administration" starting with Wallace Peotrowski.

[Psycho1]

The major concern that citizens, like myself, have had for so long is primarily due to Mark Lazzara, who heads up both agencies. With a salary of just under $80K, a town vehicle, state pension, and benefits all at the TOWN"S expense, most of his time was spent performing AmeriCorps functions. The bulk of the work performed by AmeriCorps was done in the City of Buffalo, or communities other than West Seneca. Myself and other residents felt we were not getting our money's worth from Mr. Lazzara, or benefit from the existence of AmeriCorps in our town. For many years this was protected by the Clark administration, and the people's questions and concerns were disregarded.

The Town of West Seneca was also on the hook for the insurance of the AmeriCorps vehicles. Mark's daughter was involved in an accident with his TOWN OWNED vehicle. Fortunately, there were no casualties, known property damage, or fatalities. The Town could have had a major lawsuit filed against it for allowing a non-town employee to operate the vehicle.

The AmeriCorps program was never the issue, as it provides valuable experience to young people. It was Mark and his management tactics that drew the attention of citizens of West Seneca. His actions, or inactions, coupled with his relationship with a less than honorable former Supervisor, were what focused the spotlight on AmeriCorps.

[WNYresident]

I am all for that, consolidate, and get ride of a whole bunch of "Administration" starting with Wallace Peotrowski.

Americorps is a federal program isn't it? Why should the tax payers of WS pay one penny into it? Wally is paid for by the tax payers in WS.

I was surprized when I heard that the guy who heads the program was paid like $80,000 grand and recieved a car. Talk about an over paid fluff job. DOn't think I'm singling this program out, there are a lot of fluff jobs in WNY government. THis is just 1 of far too many of them at our expense.

[Pumpkinhead]

I don't think $80,000 is too much salary for that job. He administers a $4 million plus budget and doesn't he write the grants himself to get the money? If this weren't Buffalo, those skills would get $100,000. Unlike a lot of people with big jobs in West Seneca, Mark Lazzarra shows up for volunteer events and such....he has a presence. The problem seem to be with how the Town set up the youth bureau and americorps with funding, making the distinction between who is paying for what very fuzzy. That must have been Paul Clark the accountant's strong suit. Then the other problem of using the town for the friends and family system......but that is everywhere in Erie County.

[Niagara]

The AmeriCorps program was never the issue, as it provides valuable experience to young people. It was Mark and his management tactics that drew the attention of citizens of West Seneca. His actions, or inactions, coupled with his relationship with a less than honorable former Supervisor, were what focused the spotlight on AmeriCorps.


Americorps is a federal program isn't it? Why should the tax payers of WS pay one penny into it? Wally is paid for by the tax payers in WS.

I was surprized when I heard that the guy who heads the program was paid like $80,000 grand and recieved a car. Talk about an over paid fluff job. DOn't think I'm singling this program out, there are a lot of fluff jobs in WNY government. THis is just 1 of far too many of them at our expense.

The Americorp is a major program started by Clinton. It is the Homeland Peace Corp. It has rules setup by the federal government which require a local sponsor, just as the Peace Corp requires a sponsoring country. The money and benefit comes to the local community, but they need to provide clerical support. This is not the only program in the country, but it is one of the more successful ones. In past postings on the issue the term "throw baby out with bathwater", and "careful what you sow, for it is that which you will reap" come to mind.

For my part, I would be sad to see them go. I do not think the Burchfield Park might have happened without their direct and indirect support, but I certainly wish them well, and understand the uneasy position it is dealing
with a... like Wallace Peotrowski.

To WNYres, if you think that being responsible for bringing into WNY 4-6 million dollars at a cost of 80,000 is a fluff job, I don't understand from where you are coming from on that one.


http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/southernsuburbs/story/331598.html

[Psycho1]

[QUOTE=Manuel]To WNYres, if you think that being responsible for bringing into WNY 4-6 million dollars at a cost of 80,000 is a fluff job, I don't understand from where you are coming from on that one.QUOTE]

Did that 4-6 mil. from AmeriCorps grants come to WEST SENECA? No! It came to WNY. How much of that money was earmarked for WS?

The $80,000.00 salary plus benefits was for the position of Director of the West Seneca Youth Bureau. It's that sort of fuzzy logic that has outraged the people of WS. Perhaps if the salary and benefits were shared by the two entities, and the accounting clearer, this would not be the issue it has become.

[Niagara]

Did that 4-6 mil. from AmeriCorps grants come to WEST SENECA? No! It came to WNY. How much of that money was earmarked for WS?

The $80,000.00 salary plus benefits was for the position of Director of the West Seneca Youth Bureau. It's that sort of fuzzy logic that has outraged the people of WS. Perhaps if the salary and benefits were shared by the two entities, and the accounting clearer, this would not be the issue it has become.
I guess we will soon see if the people in WS are outraged, or just those on this website. I doubt that WP will win any popularity contest when he presses his get rid of Americorp project. The got rid of DMV probably has cost him capital, and this will even more. Face it, he is a public relations bust and a trainwreck in the making.

[leavintown]

So to my original question, could Americorp be moving to Cheektowaga. It appears the answer lies with the town board and their back room meetings. They would be missed in West Seneca. If they should move, any ideas on what will happen to the Youth Bureau and Peer Counseling since the same people run all programs. Does the Supervisor plan to have the school system assume the responsiblilty for these important programs and foot the bill??? That would mean our town taxes could go down but then again our school taxes would go sky high.

[snowwhite]

The truth be told, WS will save money when Americorp leaves. The town has fronted the program with dollars when the funds were not there from the Federal Gov. So the truth is, Americorp owes the town money and probably won't pay it back. Also, Mark choose the Americorps over the youth bureau so now you know where his loyalty lies. He doesn't care about the kids, only the money. The youth bureau programs will do fine without him. He had lost interest in it a long time ago. He only goes where the dollars go.

[Psycho1]

So to my original question, could Americorp be moving to Cheektowaga. It appears the answer lies with the town board and their back room meetings. They would be missed in West Seneca. If they should move, any ideas on what will happen to the Youth Bureau and Peer Counseling since the same people run all programs. Does the Supervisor plan to have the school system assume the responsiblilty for these important programs and foot the bill??? That would mean our town taxes could go down but then again our school taxes would go sky high.

The positions are part of the Town's budget, under the Youth Bureau, therefore, they will continue only under new leadership. This mind set, that the programs will be gone, is part of the smoke and mirrors Mark Lazzara and his minions have used to stay on the public payroll. If all else fails, Mark can go back and answer phones at the NFTA.

[Niagara]

The positions are part of the Town's budget, under the Youth Bureau, therefore, they will continue only under new leadership. This mind set, that the programs will be gone, is part of the smoke and mirrors Mark Lazzara and his minions have used to stay on the public payroll. If all else fails, Mark can go back and answer phones at the NFTA.
Your "leadership" is not as solid as you think. Remember it voted 4-1 against Wally Boy on the firing of the two girls, which he had already done. And that is without anything going public.....YET.
There will not be any back room deals. Read Bove's quote in the Bee.

[be true to yourself]

The major concern that citizens, like myself, have had for so long is primarily due to Mark Lazzara, who heads up both agencies. With a salary of just under $80K, a town vehicle, state pension, and benefits all at the TOWN"S expense, most of his time was spent performing AmeriCorps functions. The bulk of the work performed by AmeriCorps was done in the City of Buffalo, or communities other than West Seneca. Myself and other residents felt we were not getting our money's worth from Mr. Lazzara, or benefit from the existence of AmeriCorps in our town. For many years this was protected by the Clark administration, and the people's questions and concerns were disregarded.

The Town of West Seneca was also on the hook for the insurance of the AmeriCorps vehicles. Mark's daughter was involved in an accident with his TOWN OWNED vehicle. Fortunately, there were no casualties, known property damage, or fatalities. The Town could have had a major lawsuit filed against it for allowing a non-town employee to operate the vehicle.

The AmeriCorps program was never the issue, as it provides valuable experience to young people. It was Mark and his management tactics that drew the attention of citizens of West Seneca. His actions, or inactions, coupled with his relationship with a less than honorable former Supervisor, were what focused the spotlight on AmeriCorps.


You are correct. Can someone tell me, what has AmeriCorp done for West Seneca this year ??? Where were they last Saturday...not one member was in the Burchfield cleaning up. They want to see things go downhill in the park to make it look like WS cannot survive without them. Guess what WS can survive and very well. Park looks great, no thanks to AmeriCorp. They were there every other year. It was a beautiful day, we just saw and heard some Americorp lady bullying kids that were anywhere near the flowers in the park!

Americorp is choosing "NOT" to do anything for West Seneca...so leave already. Sure seems like they do not want to be in WS, so go and take your crapping, moaning and lack of leadership with you.

The problem bagan when they moved into a building that they should have NEVER been in to begin with. ANYONE remember the days when they were trying to "take over" the Senior Center ????

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

From the Buffalo News article :
Piotrowski said. “There’s a lot of intermingling of the employees and the funds . . . not that anything’s wrong.” Guess what ? I disagree with Wally.

I think intermingling of funds is wrong and highly unethical, it should be viewed with suspicion. To have funding earmarked for one thing and then to indiscriminantly move it around serves only one purpose, in my opinion,...to mislead. I suspect Wally knows it isn't proper for funding to be managed like that. More likely, it is probably is illegal. Americorp, and maybe the town to a lesser extent, is supposed to account for how all funding is spent and adhere to the stated intents and guidelines as prescribed. There should be no deviating from the funding intent or to have indiscretional spending. Given the millions that is granted to Americorp annually, how much money is being "intermingled" and for how long has it been going on ? We could be talking about many hundreds of thousands of dollars here, if not more !

[WNYresident]

From the Buffalo News article : Guess what ? I disagree with Wally.

I think intermingling of funds is wrong and highly unethical, it should be viewed with suspicion. To have funding earmarked for one thing and then to indiscriminantly move it around serves only one purpose, in my opinion,...to mislead. I suspect Wally knows it isn't proper for funding to be managed like that. More likely, it is probably is illegal. Americorp, and maybe the town to a lesser extent, is supposed to account for how all funding is spent and adhere to the stated intents and guidelines as prescribed. There should be no deviating from the funding intent or to have indiscretional spending. Given the millions that is granted to Americorp annually, how much money is being "intermingled" and for how long has it been going on ? We could be talking about many hundreds of thousands of dollars here, if not more !

Can you start a new thread and explain to me how "interningling" of funds would happen in a town?. Just in general. Doesn't have to actually apply to this case.

[Psycho1]

Your "leadership" is not as solid as you think. Remember it voted 4-1 against Wally Boy on the firing of the two girls, which he had already done. And that is without anything going public.....YET.
There will not be any back room deals. Read Bove's quote in the Bee.

Yes, 4-1, with Wally being the 1. This is why we got away from a monarchy government, so that one person did not have all of the power. Guess the system works. Since it did not pass, I guess the "girls" are not yet officially terminated. So your point is....?

[Pumpkinhead]

Can you start a new thread and explain to me how "interningling" of funds would happen in a town?. Just in general. Doesn't have to actually apply to this case.

This goes back to the problems with the budget. Under Paul Clark the accountant's regime, the budgets were not clear so you could never tell, for example, how much does the town spend on running the ice rink, or on running the burchfield, or on running the senior center. also, with americorps, wasn't the town of west seneca a pass-through for grant money? i could be wrong about that, but i thought that is how it became attached to the town.

[Niagara]

This goes back to the problems with the budget. Under Paul Clark the accountant's regime, the budgets were not clear so you could never tell, for example, how much does the town spend on running the ice rink, or on running the burchfield, or on running the senior center. also, with americorps, wasn't the town of west seneca a pass-through for grant money? i could be wrong about that, but i thought that is how it became attached to the town.
If you are an accountant, which Paul Clark is, it might help the client to present books that no one can comprehend. The idea is to drive the IRS into submission.

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

This goes back to the problems with the budget. Under Paul Clark the accountant's regime, the budgets were not clear so you could never tell, also, with americorps, wasn't the town of west seneca a pass-through for grant money? i could be wrong about that, but i thought that is how it became attached to the town. Very salient points !


If you are an accountant, which Paul Clark is, it might help the client to present books that no one can comprehend. The idea is to drive the IRS into submission.You approve of such handling of taxpayers money, to mislead, misappropriate and intermingle funds ?

[Historygirl]

You are correct. Can someone tell me, what has AmeriCorp done for West Seneca this year ??? ...................... Park looks great, no thanks to AmeriCorp. They were there every other year. It was a beautiful day, we just saw and heard some Americorp lady bullying kids that were anywhere near the flowers in the park!

Americorp is choosing "NOT" to do anything for West Seneca...so leave already. Sure seems like they do not want to be in WS, so go and take your crapping, moaning and lack of leadership with you.

.................... ANYONE remember the days when they were trying to "take over" the Senior Center ????
The Burchfield Park looks dreadful; the trails are full of mud and debris. AmeriCorp planted the daffodils, that is the only thing that looks good in that park.

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

Can you start a new thread and explain to me how "interningling" of funds would happen in a town?. Just in general. Doesn't have to actually apply to this case.Others in here made the case of how they could get away with such an activity. I stated what my understanding of what was implied by Wally, regarding the intermingling of Americorp funding. DtWarren would be better suited to detail the points of what intermingling of government funds in general could entail and the ramifications of such acts.

[GhostofCharles]

The Burchfield Park looks dreadful; the trails are full of mud and debris. AmeriCorp planted the daffodils, that is the only thing that looks good in that park.

Of course the trails are full of mud and debris, its April. The winter has just past. The real question is; how will the Town respond to the needs of the park now that Americorps refused to/ was ordered not to help. One more item of intermingling.

[be true to yourself]

The Burchfield Park looks dreadful; the trails are full of mud and debris. AmeriCorp planted the daffodils, that is the only thing that looks good in that park.


Historygirl...you missed the whole point.

Tell me something please...WHAT has AmeriCorp done for West Seneca this year? Maybe THEY want to leave West Seneca. Seems to me their leader does nothing but create havoc wherever he goes. Seems as though he hates WS even though no decisions have ever been made in regards to AmeriCorp. He is a bully and a hothead, something that has been seen by many !!

[snowwhite]

Historygirl...you missed the whole point.

Tell me something please...WHAT has AmeriCorp done for West Seneca this year? Maybe THEY want to leave West Seneca. Seems to me their leader does nothing but create havoc wherever he goes. Seems as though he hates WS even though no decisions have ever been made in regards to AmeriCorp. He is a bully and a hothead, something that has been seen by many !!

Hey true - I like you. You can see the forest through the trees and are not hood winked into believing what everyone tells you. Mark is certainly a bully and will step on anyone to get ahead. Just look at his past. He brags about all the people he has fired, like that a real accomplishment! It shows that he has a hard time getting along with people, especially those who question what he does. Keep up the good work.

[GhostofCharles]

Historygirl...you missed the whole point.

Tell me something please...WHAT has AmeriCorp done for West Seneca this year? Maybe THEY want to leave West Seneca. Seems to me their leader does nothing but create havoc wherever he goes. Seems as though he hates WS even though no decisions have ever been made in regards to AmeriCorp. He is a bully and a hothead, something that has been seen by many !!

Good point Be True. I have heard the same about their Director, behavior that resonates through his staff. But also, why is Burchfield made to feel like they owe Americorps? Because they are renting office space there? Do they have this attitude toward any other park they have done work in? Aside from all of that, it is what they do. If the attitude is we provided this service now you owe us, then whole point and true spirit of what service is is completely missed.

[Niagara]

Good point Be True. I have heard the same about their Director, behavior that resonates through his staff. But also, why is Burchfield made to feel like they owe Americorps? Because they are renting office space there? Do they have this attitude toward any other park they have done work in? Aside from all of that, it is what they do. If the attitude is we provided this service now you owe us, then whole point and true spirit of what service is is completely missed.
BTW, they are darned if they do and darned if they don't. If they do something for WS, their work is minimumized, if they don't, they are villified. Best this all come out in the open, and not do anything, perhaps people will notice, BTW what happened to....

As far as renting office space, it is way over priced rented office space.

[snowwhite]

BTW, they are darned if they do and darned if they don't. If they do something for WS, their work is minimumized, if they don't, they are villified. Best this all come out in the open, and not do anything, perhaps people will notice, BTW what happened to....

As far as renting office space, it is way over priced rented office space.

Well, I don't see you leaving any time soon. Can't find a place to go? No one wants you? I heard tell that Mark had all kinds of places offered to him for nothing, so why aren't you gone?

[Niagara]

Well, I don't see you leaving any time soon. Can't find a place to go? No one wants you? I heard tell that Mark had all kinds of places offered to him for nothing, so why aren't you gone?
Cause I am not him. I have no idea why he has not escaped from this hell hole of a town.

[be true to yourself]

BTW, they are darned if they do and darned if they don't. If they do something for WS, their work is minimumized, if they don't, they are villified. Best this all come out in the open, and not do anything, perhaps people will notice, BTW what happened to....

As far as renting office space, it is way over priced rented office space.

Not doing anything in the Park is only proving the how childest the AmeriCorp leader really is. Town Board is doing the right thing and getting things segregrated like it should have been to begin with.

[Niagara]

Not doing anything in the Park is only proving the how childest the AmeriCorp leader really is. Town Board is doing the right thing and getting things segregrated like it should have been to begin with.
Not really. Who is childish, a middle aged lawyer who wants to play town god instead of being a half a.... lawyer. Not much called for h...a.... lawyers I guess.

[GhostofCharles]

Not really. Who is childish, a middle aged lawyer who wants to play town god instead of being a half a.... lawyer. Not much called for h...a.... lawyers I guess.

Does anyone know what the truth actually is concerning the Supervisor's intentions with Americorps. The website and in public a lot of rumors and speculation has come out with very little consistency. If this has been going on for months, what is taking so long making this decision? Either Americorps leaves or they stay. Enough is enough. And lets say Americorps goes, who remains from that office as an employee of the Town? It seems so interwoven no one really knows who they work for what with moneys for salaries coming out of the Town, Americorps and the School District. Too much of a mess, but such is life in WNY.

Aside from that, nothing against Americorps at all, but seeing as most of their work is done in the City of Buffalo, wouldn't the best move be for them to move to the City? The Supervisor's actions aside, their Mayor needs all the help he can get with how he is running things.

[Niagara]

Does anyone know what the truth actually is concerning the Supervisor's intentions with Americorps. The website and in public a lot of rumors and speculation has come out with very little consistency. If this has been going on for months, what is taking so long making this decision? Either Americorps leaves or they stay. Enough is enough. And lets say Americorps goes, who remains from that office as an employee of the Town? It seems so interwoven no one really knows who they work for what with moneys for salaries coming out of the Town, Americorps and the School District. Too much of a mess, but such is life in WNY.

Aside from that, nothing against Americorps at all, but seeing as most of their work is done in the City of Buffalo, wouldn't the best move be for them to move to the City? The Supervisor's actions aside, their Mayor needs all the help he can get with how he is running things.

I agree. I know that Byron Brown has said make a call. I know of others. Most are hoping it will just blow over. The program is too big to disappear, and ML is the program. I think the options are in place, it might be soon for the people to decide. A referendum can be called with 2000 signitures I think, and it might come to that.

[be true to yourself]

Not really. Who is childish, a middle aged lawyer who wants to play town god instead of being a half a.... lawyer. Not much called for h...a.... lawyers I guess.

No...childish, is a middle aged Executive Director who does not know how to direct and who twists the truth and starts false rumors. Not much call for this in our town... embarrassing actually, hope he leaves us all in peace and we never see the likes of someone like him again. Wally did not make him like that, he has done it for years and has gotten away with it. Take it to a new town and have him continue his record breaking firings. What does that say for him, bragging about it after he fires. Does he have a sole at all?

[Niagara]

No...childish, is a middle aged Executive Director who does not know how to direct and who twists the truth and starts false rumors. Not much call for this in our town... embarrassing actually, hope he leaves us all in peace and we never see the likes of someone like him again. Wally did not make him like that, he has done it for years and has gotten away with it. Take it to a new town and have him continue his record breaking firings. What does that say for him, bragging about it after he fires. Does he have a sole at all?
Sounds like you were one of the firings. From the tone of your remarks, I can understand why.

[be true to yourself]

I agree. I know that Byron Brown has said make a call. I know of others. Most are hoping it will just blow over. The program is too big to disappear, and ML is the program. I think the options are in place, it might be soon for the people to decide. A referendum can be called with 2000 signitures I think, and it might come to that.

good bye and good luck Manuel...we will not miss you.

[Niagara]

good bye and good luck Manuel...we will not miss you.
Reject, you can't fire me, I do not work for the town, and my employers would not listen to you. Reject.

[GhostofCharles]

Reject, you can't fire me, I do not work for the town, and my employers would not listen to you. Reject.

"My employees?" So you are Mark Lazarra afterall. Sorry thought we were discussing matters with a concerned objective citizen.

[GhostofCharles]

"My employees?" So you are Mark Lazarra afterall. Sorry thought we were discussing matters with a concerned objective citizen.

*Employers, sorry

[Niagara]

"My employees?" So you are Mark Lazarra afterall. Sorry thought we were discussing matters with a concerned objective citizen.
Nope, not ML, but I am a concerned citizen.

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

Nope, not ML, but I am a concerned citizen. Just a hunch ....are you Manuelolopolous from the Concerned citizens for responsible growth group ?

[Niagara]

Just a hunch ....are you Manuelolopolous from the Concerned citizens for responsible growth group ?
You guessed it. You know Dan too?

[dtwarren]

Just a hunch ....are you Manuelolopolous from the Concerned citizens for responsible growth group ?

It is interesting that you have this need to figure out who the posters are while keeping your own identity unknown. I know who Manuel is and it is not any of the people you mentioned, including Monolopolus.

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

It is interesting that you have this need to figure out who the posters are while keeping your own identity unknown. I believe you can tell a lot about a person by with who they choose to associate or align with. As to who I am ? :cool:
I know who Manuel is I rest my case as to the relevance of peoples associations.
it is not any of the people you mentioned, including Monolopolus.I only referred once as to who he might be and he acknowledged it. If it's not true, why would he say otherwise ? This furthers enhances my point above.

[GhostofCharles]

Nope, not ML, but I am a concerned citizen.

A concerned citizen?

You wrote;

"Reject, you can't fire me, I do not work for the town, and my employers would not listen to you. Reject."

If you are just a concerned citizen, why is it that your posts including this one sound like you have inside information and a lot to lose?

Just trying to understand the situation.

[dtwarren]

I believe you can tell a lot about a person by with who they choose to associate or align with. As to who I am ? :cool:I rest my case as to the relevance of peoples associations. I only referred once as to who he might be and he acknowledged it. If it's not true, why would he say otherwise ? This furthers enhances my point above.

Your logic is flawed, knowledge of another does not infer an association. I met Manuel on a single occasion. I also met Eliot Spitzer on two occasions, that does not mean I associate or align myself with him but by your logic it does.

Manuel is under no obligation to answer your inquiries on his/her identity truthfully just to satisfy your curiosity and tea leaf reading.

[be true to yourself]

Cause I am not him. I have no idea why he has not escaped from this hell hole of a town.


Sounds like you know Mark Lazarra, please for the sake of West Seneca...ask him when he is leaving. You will see most, if not all the misinformation and bickering stop. Ask any of his former employees (I am not one of them).

He says he wants to stay at the Burchfield, why doesn't he show it? No one has ever stopped him from participating in many events in WS that he is choosing not to participate in this year. Puts his staff in an awful position.

Also, what has he done to earn his Youth Bureau salary this year? I'll bet you don't earn a salary for doing NOTHING!

Uncertain what he has on someone in Town Hall that allows his conduct to continue for so many years. I have never seen a person that runs down his own boss and gets away with it.

[Niagara]

Sounds like you know Mark Lazarra, please for the sake of West Seneca...ask him when he is leaving. You will see most, if not all the misinformation and bickering stop. Ask any of his former employees (I am not one of them).
I know him, but would not insult him by asking him such question. Besides I havn't talked with him in getting close to a year. As far as former employees, see my other post on the issue. This IS getting repetitive. You know unhappy, I know happy former employees.



He says he wants to stay at the Burchfield, why doesn't he show it? No one has ever stopped him from participating in many events in WS that he is choosing not to participate in this year. Puts his staff in an awful position.
You are right, when from the get go the newly elected TS comes in and says such and such, it puts the staff in a bad position. I know one who is a supervisor who said that he would not want them to move, and that he can walk to work. As far as participating, Americorp ran the programs at BNAC last year, and now after being told such and such, they probably thought SU.



Also, what has he done to earn his Youth Bureau salary this year? I'll bet you don't earn a salary for doing NOTHING!
What a stupid question.



Uncertain what he has on someone in Town Hall that allows his conduct to continue for so many years. I have never seen a person that runs down his own boss and gets away with it.
Perhaps the feelings are mutual.

You certainly seem to be someone with strong feelings who has developed them out of thin air. Why are YOU so angry. Where is your personal involvement?

[be true to yourself]

I know him, but would not insult him by asking him such question. Besides I havn't talked with him in getting close to a year. As far as former employees, see my other post on the issue. This IS getting repetitive. You know unhappy, I know happy former employees.

Unhappy outnumber the happy.

You are right, when from the get go the newly elected TS comes in and says such and such, it puts the staff in a bad position. I know one who is a supervisor who said that he would not want them to move, and that he can walk to work. As far as participating, Americorp ran the programs at BNAC last year, and now after being told such and such, they probably thought SU.

such and such is just a rumor...no facts...thats my point.

What a stupid question.

If its a stupid question, answer it.



You certainly seem to be someone with strong feelings who has developed them out of thin air. Why are YOU so angry. Where is your personal involvement?

No thin air, it comes from hearing them directly. Personal involvement, a concerned resident of WS as you are. One that is tired of hearing crap in regards to the director and hearing it directly from the director. He certainly has no respect and blurts things out whenever and whereever he pleases.

[Niagara]

No thin air, it comes from hearing them directly. Personal involvement, a concerned resident of WS as you are. One that is tired of hearing crap in regards to the director and hearing it directly from the director. He certainly has no respect and blurts things out whenever and whereever he pleases.
For someone who gives no information, you seem so upset when others might be coy also. Tired of hearing crap, so am I, crap like you spew.

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

I met Manuel on a single occasion. Only took one meeting to take care of a political issue ? Sounds like the confession of a troubled teen, it was only one time.

Manuel is under no obligation to answer your inquiries on his/her identity He certainly wasn't, yet he did. Why would he affirm the assertion, if it wasn't true. That is putting a greater injustice upon to whom I referenced than my inquiry would.

[Niagara]

Only took one meeting to take care of a political issue ? Sounds like the confession of a troubled teen, it was only one time.
He certainly wasn't, yet he did. Why would he affirm the assertion, if it wasn't true. That is putting a greater injustice upon to whom I referenced than my inquiry would.
Yep, my name is Manuelopolis, just call me Manuel for short.

I think a more interesting issue is who YOU are, together with Jokster and Psycho. There seems to be too much interest in certain matters to be explained by the "concerned taxpayer" moniker.

Dan is very smart, and would make a great lawyer, no doubt better than WP is. He was nice enough to give advice on a matter of interest to me. In my opinion, the town is lucky to have him as a resident.

[FisherRd]

Manuel,

You claimed you weren't Mark, and you claimed he'd be by later (this was on Friday), you also claimed that either you or the clown with the "4" in his handle was Marks puppet Josh, now you're claiming you haven't talked to Mark in a year or so...You're not smart enough to play this game. Your posts make you a liar.

[Psycho1]

I think a more interesting issue is who YOU are, together with Jokster and Psycho.

I'm sorry, I forgot your new here. My identity was revealed a long time ago, by either SoE or Erly, I don't remember who anymore. It wasn't hard to do since I had mentioned a cast on my right leg at the time. I often address the TB, and will write to the WS Bee, I can easily be found at the TB meetings, usually sitting near the front, and speaking to the Bee editor. My first name is Mike, and I usually wear a baseball hat. My wife bought me a new one that has "Bubba" on it, as it is a nickname I have on my street. So, stop by say hello, let's go for a cold one, and talk Mano to Manny (sorry, couldn't resist), perhaps we'll find common interests. I extend this invite to all of the posters, as I much prefer human interaction to this impersonal electronic medium that has become so prevalent.

[The Jokester]

I think a more interesting issue is who YOU are, together with Jokster and Psycho. There seems to be too much interest in certain matters to be explained by the "concerned taxpayer" moniker.

I'm not letting out my name since someone on this board found out and harassed me and the wife with phone calls night and day. She's gone now, that's why I haven't been on in a while. But, I'm not giving up my quest for accountability and the crap management of programs that could be good for our town but has not be administered in a good manner.

I never worked for the Town, never cared to work for them, don't want to. I just am tired of people getting away with gestapo tactics and making money off us.

[Niagara]

ISo, stop by say hello, let's go for a cold one, and talk Mano to Manny (sorry, couldn't resist), perhaps we'll find common interests. I extend this invite to all of the posters, as I much prefer human interaction to this impersonal electronic medium that has become so prevalent.
I may or may not be able to make the meetings depending how work goes. I would like to take you up on the cold one sometime though, you sound like an interesting guy.

[Niagara]

Manuel,

You claimed you weren't Mark, and you claimed he'd be by later (this was on Friday), you also claimed that either you or the clown with the "4" in his handle was Marks puppet Josh, now you're claiming you haven't talked to Mark in a year or so...You're not smart enough to play this game. Your posts make you a liar.
Fisher, I am not a liar, and you are all confused. I have not seen Mark since Curtainup last year, and I have never met Josh.

[Niagara]

I'm not letting out my name since someone on this board found out and harassed me and the wife with phone calls night and day. She's gone now, that's why I haven't been on in a while. But, I'm not giving up my quest for accountability and the crap management of programs that could be good for our town but has not be administered in a good manner.

I never worked for the Town, never cared to work for them, don't want to. I just am tired of people getting away with gestapo tactics and making money off us.
Thank you for your reply. Some woman after you. Hummm, sounds like a love interest.
The gestapo tactics is somewhat how I feel about Wally's World. I question what makes him tick. Why give up law business for TS? Plenty of lawyers are politicians, but few do it to make less money.

[The Jokester]

Thank you for your reply. Some woman after you. Hummm, sounds like a love interest.

No, my wife passed on this year. Nice of you to comment, young man.

[Niagara]

No, my wife passed on this year. Nice of you to comment.
I am speechless. I am sorry to hear. Within the past four months. You returned to your extended family (this internet forum) after an absence.

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

In regards to Americorp Wally stated:
“There’s a lot of intermingling of the funds"Hey Dan, as a pseudo lawyer on government law, do you see anything wrong with this ? Even if you just took the term "intermingling of government funds" in a general sense. I think your penchant for looking into such things and the high regard many seem to hold you to in here, it would be appreciated by more than a few. Please don't say it depends on the circumstances or something lame like that. I know if it this charge was levied against Wally, you'd be all over it calling for an investigation and cutting and pasting laws in posts. You boast of being impartial in how you approach an issue, here's a chance to show us.

[Niagara]

In regards to Americorp Wally stated:Hey Dan, as a pseudo lawyer on government law, do you see anything wrong with this ? Even if you just took the term "intermingling of government funds" in a general sense. I think your penchant for looking into such things and the high regard many seem to hold you to in here, it would be appreciated by more than a few. Please don't say it depends on the circumstances or something lame like that. I know if it this charge was levied against Wally, you'd be all over it calling for an investigation and cutting and pasting laws in posts. You boast of being impartial in how you approach an issue, here's a chance to show us.
SOE, why don't you look up the laws yourself. I am sure Dan will tell you where to look. It might be educating for you to do some research.

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

SOE, why don't you look up the laws yourself. I am sure Dan will tell you where to look. It might be educating for you to do some research.No, I'd like and others I'm sure, would like to hear Dan's opinion.

[Niagara]

No, I'd like and others I'm sure, would like to hear Dan's opinion.
I doubt if Dan will do hours of research for you without a fee. Dan might give you some links to do your own research though.

[dtwarren]

In regards to Americorp Wally stated:Hey Dan, as a pseudo lawyer on government law, do you see anything wrong with this ? Even if you just took the term "intermingling of government funds" in a general sense. I think your penchant for looking into such things and the high regard many seem to hold you to in here, it would be appreciated by more than a few. Please don't say it depends on the circumstances or something lame like that. I know if it this charge was levied against Wally, you'd be all over it calling for an investigation and cutting and pasting laws in posts. You boast of being impartial in how you approach an issue, here's a chance to show us.

I read Mr. Piotrowski's statement as quoted from the Buffalo News. I believe that in the context he used it there was nothing per se illegal. I believe it more goes to the fact that the budget is not adequately itemized and that the relationships at issue are not sufficiently spelled out as far as mutual obligations that it is difficult to determine whether the relationships are beneficial or not.

[Niagara]

Furthermore, it could take years of separate accounting statements to determine the cost benefit relationship between the town and Americorp. Until then, it is guesstimates.

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

I believe it more goes to the fact that the budget is not adequately itemized and that the relationships at issue are not sufficiently spelled out as far as mutual obligations that it is difficult to determine whether the relationships are beneficial or not. Fair enough. I'd agree with that. The obscuring of the itemizing and spelled out obligations or, if I may, intents of the funding is likely intentional and deceptive by design.