What Did Jesus Come To Earth For ?

[Bringthetruth]

Now I expect non believers and those who believer to answer this question.

This won't be a thread to put down your opinion, just to observe what we all think about him.:)

[mikenold]

Now I expect non believers and those who believer to answer this question.

Jesus came to earth to give all people the opportunity to spend eternity with him.

[mesue]

To seek and to save that which was lost.

[Bringthetruth]

Jesus came to earth to take on all the sins of the World for all mankind .

So whoever believes on Jesus who God has sent, has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.

[WNYresident]

You know what question you should answer first?

Why?

Why would he " Jesus came to earth to give all people the opportunity to spend eternity with him."

Why would he " To seek and to save that which was lost."

Why would he " Jesus came to earth to take on all the sins of the World for all mankind ."

[mesue]

You know what question you should answer first?

Why?
because we are His creation.

Why would he " Jesus came to earth to give all people the opportunity to spend eternity with him."
Because, that was the original plan back in the Garden of Eden. We lost that opportunity when Adam sinned.
Why would he " To seek and to save that which was lost."
Because without Jesus Christ we are lost to sin and it's wages, cost.
Why would he " Jesus came to earth to take on all the sins of the World for all mankind ."
Because the price of sin can only be paid by the shedding of blood.

[mikenold]

You know what question you should answer first?

Why?

Why would he " Jesus came to earth to give all people the opportunity to spend eternity with him."

Why would he " To seek and to save that which was lost."

Why would he " Jesus came to earth to take on all the sins of the World for all mankind ."

Good question. The answer is in his own words.
He created us:
Ge:2:7: And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

and loved us:
1Jo:4:19: We love him, because he first loved us.

[raoul duke]

What Did Jesus Come To Earth For ?
The same reasons Zues ruled from Mt. Olympus, Siddhartha became the Buddha and Muhammad is the prophet.

[mikenold]

The same reasons Zues ruled from Mt. Olympus, Siddhartha became the Buddha and Muhammad is the prophet.

You are correct. Jesus came to give us truth so we could distinguish between the false gods you reference above and come to the truth of the one true God.

[raoul duke]

You are correct. Jesus came to give us truth so we could distinguish between the false gods you reference above and come to the truth of the one true God.
And the followers of the so-called "false gods" say the same thing about Jesus. That and a bag of peanuts, leaves you with a bag of peanuts.

[mikenold]

And the followers of the so-called "false gods" say the same thing about Jesus. That and a bag of peanuts, leaves you with a bag of peanuts.

They believe they are right, I believe I am right. However only one of us will be right in the end. All of their gods are dead, mine is still alive. This is not a little thing.

[raoul duke]

They believe they are right, I believe I am right. However only one of us will be right in the end. All of their gods are dead, mine is still alive. This is not a little thing.
Again. . . the same argument can be made by any religion.

[mikenold]

Again. . . the same argument can be made by any religion.

You have to read the entire post. My God is still alive. The only one of that distinction.

[mesue]

And the followers of the so-called "false gods" say the same thing about Jesus. That and a bag of peanuts, leaves you with a bag of peanuts.
Except Jesus really did walk this planet, even the "false" religions acknowledge that and call Him a Prophet.

[raoul duke]

You have to read the entire post. My God is still alive. The only one of that distinction.
Alive? By what standard? There is no point of distinction. Your God is "alive" merely because you believe it to be so. That's what I'm trying to get at. I'm not trying to invalidate anyone's belief in any God or ethereal existance, but to highlight that, as beautiful as the practice can be, it's a matter of faith. When you assert "those Gods are dead and mine is alive," it highlights a major problem with religions and belief systems. The problem being the delusion that the "truth" of any particular religion is universal and/or true everyone else's standards (as in the classical definition of "true," being something that is factually correct and verifiable i.e. like the color of my shirt.) Your God is alive within your faith and outside of that (where a majority of the population in this world exists), it's essentially meaningless as to any practical application.

There is "truth" that is self-contained in the tenants of any given belief systems, but it has no "true" bearing outside said system. Whether Jesus walked the earth and physically ascended into heaven is irrelevant. The lessons he supposedly taught are the important part. If you base a part of your belief on physical impossibilities and cribbed myths, imo, you're missing the entire point of the exercise.

[raoul duke]

Except Jesus really did walk this planet, even the "false" religions acknowledge that and call Him a Prophet.
"False," like the two other religions that share some of the same text. Do you realize how demeaning and, quite honestly, snobbish, referring to other religions as "false" sounds? People who use that reasoning have no business complaining about other people or religions being intolerant. And yeah, like I said before, the most thorough historical analysis has Jesus being married and as having a child. But that's irrelevant to the purpose he serves, imo.

[mikenold]

Alive? By what standard? There is no point of distinction. Your God is "alive" merely because you believe it to be so. That's what I'm trying to get at. I'm not trying to invalidate anyone's belief in any God or ethereal existance, but to highlight that, as beautiful as the practice can be, it's a matter of faith. When you assert "those Gods are dead and mine is alive," it highlights a major problem with religions and belief systems. The problem being the delusion that the "truth" of any particular religion is universal and/or true everyone else's standards (as in the classical definition of "true," being something that is factually correct and verifiable i.e. like the color of my shirt.) Your God is alive within your faith and outside of that (where a majority of the population in this world exists), it's essentially meaningless as to any practical application.

There is "truth" that is self-contained in the tenants of any given belief systems, but it has no "true" bearing outside said system. Whether Jesus walked the earth and physically ascended into heaven is irrelevant. The lessons he supposedly taught are the important part. If you base a part of your belief on physical impossibilities and cribbed myths, imo, you're missing the entire point of the exercise.

Jesus Christ did not come to the earth from the glory of heaven just to teach us some lessons. He came to assure those that believe that he died for them and all their sins have a place in heaven with him for eternity. Jesus Christ was witnessessed by some 500 people after he arose from the grave. This is not something I just made up. But even so, I believe it, you don't. We can just leave it at that. If I am wrong, I will still live a meaningful existence. If you are wrong, you will not be spending eternity with me in Heaven with the One True Eternal God. If you were to read the only words that God has given us, I believe that you would have a better understanding of why I can believe what I say.

[mesue]

Alive? By what standard? There is no point of distinction. Your God is "alive" merely because you believe it to be so. That's what I'm trying to get at. I'm not trying to invalidate anyone's belief in any God or ethereal existance, but to highlight that, as beautiful as the practice can be, it's a matter of faith.
Which is invalidated by your belief system.
When you assert "those Gods are dead and mine is alive," it highlights a major problem with religions and belief systems.
Why is this a problem? Why can't my God be better than yours? Isn't yours better than mine? If not, why do you follow an inferior god?
The problem being the delusion that the "truth" of any particular religion is universal and/or true everyone else's standards (as in the classical definition of "true," being something that is factually correct and verifiable i.e. like the color of my shirt.)
What is truth?
Your God is alive within your faith and outside of that (where a majority of the population in this world exists), it's essentially meaningless as to any practical application.
This is not so. He does exist outside of my faith. It is a choice for you to believe whether He exists or not.
There is "truth" that is self-contained in the tenants of any given belief systems, but it has no "true" bearing outside said system. Whether Jesus walked the earth and physically ascended into heaven is irrelevant.
But it is relevant. Jesus did walk this planet. Even the prophet Muhammad admits that. Jesus is the living God. He's still alive today. It is your choice to believe that He is still alive. But just because you choose to disbelief this doesn't make it any less true.
The lessons he supposedly taught are the important part. If you base a part of your belief on physical impossibilities and cribbed myths, imo, you're missing the entire point of the exercise.
I think that it is you that is missing the point. Why follow someone that doesn't exist? Why even use His lessons? There are a bunch of "good guys" that lead exemplary lives. Why not pick one of them to study and follow instead?

[mesue]

"False," like the two other religions that share some of the same text. Do you realize how demeaning and, quite honestly, snobbish, referring to other religions as "false" sounds? People who use that reasoning have no business complaining about other people or religions being intolerant. And yeah, like I said before, the most thorough historical analysis has Jesus being married and as having a child. But that's irrelevant to the purpose he serves, imo.
Which 2?

[mikenold]

And yeah, like I said before, the most thorough historical analysis has Jesus being married and as having a child. But that's irrelevant to the purpose he serves, imo.

Just another comment that you "heard" from somewhere else. People will always try to prove the bible and the notion of God wrong. Problem is, it never works. Man has always tried to be God ever since Satan put the thought in his head.

[Dumbfounded]

Today, a very sincere, decent guy told me that Christ was born into a poor family to show us (humans) that ANYONE, not just the rich, the noblemen could go to Heaven and live in paradise for eternity.

Christ came to earth to teach us to love each other and that differences in race, borders;Languages mean nothing.


NOW, I didn't want to start an argument by saying:

"I don't believe in fairy tales and other deceptions created by an elitist class of hedonistic pedophile liars with delusions of grandeur who through fear and spin subdue large populations who repay any "great religious leaders" with $$, obedience and loyalty"

But this dude, of which I spoke is one of the rare percent that tries to stay true to his faith.


Most religous people are either delusional,
full of Sh-t, desperate for a kind, geriatric patriarchal figure or want SOME kind of guarentee for an afterlife.

[raoul duke]

Just another comment that you "heard" from somewhere else.
Yeah, I didn't have a contradictory collection of myths, parables and morality plays plagiarized from various other cultures (as the same was done to Christianity) to bolster my argument.

People will always try to prove the bible and the notion of God wrong. Problem is, it never works. Man has always tried to be God ever since Satan put the thought in his head.
Tried to be God? How is that different from pretending to understand or envision what he/she/it really is? That you afford yourself humility, does not excuse the act of trying to "know" God. The Greeks, Romans and, I think, the early Chirstians had morality story about people who claimed to see and/or understand the glory of their God(s), it's a quick story that ended in certain and sudden death (and not in the "on your way to Heaven/Elysian Fields" kind of death either.) It was considered arrogant to believe you knew the will of God(s) or could witness their glory.

I hate to sound like a jerk, but I'm really beginning to think that Karl Marx was right. Why does it matter that God or Jesus was/is real? Do the lessons change because there is the very real possibility that the life we think Jesus lead is nothing more than invented and borrowed stories, edited and manipulated over the last two millenia after he was supposedly killed? Three of the books in the New Testament (Matthew, Mark and Luke, I think) were written a full 4 generations after Jesus walked the Earth. Why should Christian stories be considered any more historically reliable than any other religion? I'm not talking about the belief in the message of those stories, I'm talking about the veracity and even the need to insist on a veracity of those stories.

That they happened or not, is not important. The message is.

[Bannister]

Today, a very sincere, decent guy told me that Christ was born into a poor family to show us (humans) that ANYONE, not just the rich, the noblemen could go to Heaven and live in paradise for eternity.


Not only was he poor, he wasn't much to look at either.

Isaiah 53:2b, “He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to Him, nothing in His appearance that we should desire Him.”

[Bringthetruth]

There are many who won't believe that Jesus is the son of God, and in his return many will have to explain why didn't you accept him .

It will be like payperview to hear the answers on why people didn't choose to accept him .

People in America really won't have an excuse on that day, to experience the relationship with Jesus Christ is readily and easily excessible in the USA.

Other countries many are tortured and and killed for their belief in Jesus.

Come to him today. say this prayer below- send me a pm if you would like

Heavenly Father I come to you today just as I am a sinner, and I heard that you are the Savior and that you died for me and shed your blood for me as a sacrifice for my sins. I confess my sins to you today and I want to turn from my old ways(sin) and right now I'm asking you to forgive me of my sins.

Jesus come into my heart and life as my Personal Lord and Savior.

I recieve you now in Jesus Name Amen. Welcome to the family of God:)

#1 read the bible every day(start in the book of John.

#2 Talk to God every day in prayer.
#3 ask the Lord to show you where a Good bible believing church is that you could attend and grow .

[mikenold]

[QUOTE=raoul duke]Three of the books in the New Testament (Matthew, Mark and Luke, I think) were written a full 4 generations after Jesus walked the Earth. QUOTE]

This is a lie. You really shouldn't purport things that have no basis in fact or even reality. Do you actually try to see if what you are repeating is actually true. Apparently not!

[therising]

Hey BTT - why don't you go ahead and answer the question I posed to you in the other thread -- Are non-Christians welcome in the religious threads?

This is now the 4th time I've asked you. If you think I'm going to stop asking, you are mistaken. I'm just looking for an answer.

Thank you.

[TOOLBAGS]

So true Christians live their life for death? To get to heaven? Thats no way to live if you ask me. Why is death and going to heaven so much more important than living for now. I can not live my life worrying about what happens when Im dead. I'm fine with just being gone when Im dead. Put me in the ground, cry for a few days, and life goes on (for the rest). Im good with this. Why does there have to be more? Life on earth is good!! Thats all I need.

[Bringthetruth]

Hey BTT - why don't you go ahead and answer the question I posed to you in the other thread -- Are non-Christians welcome in the religious threads?

This is now the 4th time I've asked you. If you think I'm going to stop asking, you are mistaken. I'm just looking for an answer.

Thank you.

yes rising non christians are welcomed.

[Bringthetruth]

So true Christians live their life for death? To get to heaven? Thats no way to live if you ask me. Why is death and going to heaven so much more important than living for now. I can not live my life worrying about what happens when Im dead. I'm fine with just being gone when Im dead. Put me in the ground, cry for a few days, and life goes on (for the rest). Im good with this. Why does there have to be more? Life on earth is good!! Thats all I need.

Toolbags what do you think Jesus came to earth for ?

[TOOLBAGS]

Toolbags what do you think Jesus came to earth for ?
So people who need a purpose have somebody to follow? I dont know, I never talked to him. I have no clue if he came or not. I really don't care. I guess if I needed a purpose in my life I would look for a god or somthing like that. Im content with just living. I dont care how I got here. Im here and im gonna live to live, not to die. I think religion is great for people who need to be guided to do good. Guess it just comes natural to me....:D I have no disrepect for religious people. Churches and such have done good things...but also some of the worse. If it fits in your life,good. If it helps you be a better person..GREAT. Not all of us need that.

[TOOLBAGS]

Besides all that...lets just say its true..I follow Jesus I go to this totally cool, most awsome place ever called "Heaven". So if I dont follow him I burn in hell? What a great God!! I live a honest life. Help people. Do everything the christians do except aknowledge church and Jesus. I burn in Hell? Ha, if thats the case....who needs Jesus? He seems like a prick to me.

[Bringthetruth]

So people who need a purpose have somebody to follow? I dont know, I never talked to him. I have no clue if he came or not. I really don't care. I guess if I needed a purpose in my life I would look for a god or somthing like that. Im content with just living. I dont care how I got here. Im here and im gonna live to live, not to die. I think religion is great for people who need to be guided to do good. Guess it just comes natural to me....:D I have no disrepect for religious people. Churches and such have done good things...but also some of the worse. If it fits in your life,good. If it helps you be a better person..GREAT. Not all of us need that.


Thank You for being honest in what you actually think he came for.

Toolbags I believe everyone of us have purpose and since God is the creator of all men, shouldn't we go back to the manufacturer(God) in order to find out his purpose for us?

You want to know how your car made by Ford should run, If henry Ford was living today knowing he was the original manufacturer he would be the person to go to when you want to get things right with the veheicle.

That's the way it is with GOD

[TOOLBAGS]

Thank You for being honest in what you actually think he came for.

Toolbags I believe everyone of us have purpose and since God is the creator of all men, shouldn't we go back to the manufacturer(God) in order to find out his purpose for us?

You want to know how your car made by Ford should run, If henry Ford was living today knowing he was the original manufacturer he would be the person to go to when you want to get things right with the veheicle.

That's the way it is with GOD
Maybe your purpose is just to live. Why does there have to be purpose? Why must there be more? I really have no response after you say "God is the creator". Since I don't know if thats true (and don't feel it would effect my life one way or another) I can't comment. If you feel your purpose in life is to follow YOUR gods words, by all means have at it. I just hope you don't look down upon people who your gods words say will burn in hell. I don't look down upon heaven goers.

[bigpoppapuff]

Besides all that...lets just say its true..I follow Jesus I go to this totally cool, most awsome place ever called "Heaven". So if I dont follow him I burn in hell? What a great God!! I live a honest life. Help people. Do everything the christians do except aknowledge church and Jesus. I burn in Hell? Ha, if thats the case....who needs Jesus? He seems like a prick to me.


well said...and so true,imho.....

[Bringthetruth]

Maybe your purpose is just to live. Why does there have to be purpose? Why must there be more? I really have no response after you say "God is the creator". Since I don't know if thats true (and don't feel it would effect my life one way or another) I can't comment. If you feel your purpose in life is to follow YOUR gods words, by all means have at it. I just hope you don't look down upon people who your gods words say will burn in hell. I don't look down upon heaven goers.


I don't want to look down on those who don't believe, I really feel for them not being sure about the future . Everything in life has purpose, our job is to find out what it is.

We all have free choices to make, keep searching my man God loves you:)

[therising]

Toolbags is on the money. If everyone lived their lives like him/her, the world would be drastically better place.

[therising]

I don't want to look down on those who don't believe, I really feel for them not being sure about the future .

Your faith makes you more sure about the future?

You DO know that your faith doesn't give you psychic powers. Therefore, while it may make you feel as if you're sure about the future, in reality, you are no more sure than any of us.

But, don't misunderstand what I'm saying -- if it works for you, then, so be it.

[Bringthetruth]

Your faith makes you more sure about the future?

You DO know that your faith doesn't give you psychic powers. Therefore, while it may make you feel as if you're sure about the future, in reality, you are no more sure than any of us.

But, don't misunderstand what I'm saying -- if it works for you, then, so be it.

Rising I know you are searching man, I 'm gonna pray for you and toolbags.

Pray that you will come to have a personal relationship with the true and living GOD WHENEVER YOU ARE READY!

[raoul duke]

Three of the books in the New Testament (Matthew, Mark and Luke, I think) were written a full 4 generations after Jesus walked the Earth.

This is a lie. You really shouldn't purport things that have no basis in fact or even reality. Do you actually try to see if what you are repeating is actually true. Apparently not!
No, it's not a "lie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie)." Besides, I was wrong. The only Gospel that is strongly attributed to a contemporary of Jesus of Nazareth is the book of Matthew the Evangelist and there is no real or worthwhile argument to say otherwise.

Reminded of this, I went looking for a passage I remember reading in college, years ago. Written by the one staunchest advocates of Matthew the Evangelist as a peer of Jesus and my second favorite saint (Saint Thomas Aquinas is number one, in my book):

It not infrequently happens that something about the earth, about the sky, about other elements of this world, about the motion and rotation or even the magnitude and distances of the stars, about definite eclipses of the sun and moon, about the passage of years and seasons, about the nature of animals, of fruits, of stones, and of other such things, may be known with the greatest certainty by reasoning or by experience, even by one who is not a Christian. It is too disgraceful and ruinous, though, and greatly to be avoided, that [the non-Christian] should hear a Christian speaking so idiotically on these matters, and as if in accord with Christian writings, that he might say that he could scarcely keep from laughing when he saw how totally in error they are. In view of this and in keeping it in mind constantly while dealing with the book of Genesis, I have, insofar as I was able, explained in detail and set forth for consideration the meanings of obscure passages, taking care not to affirm rashly some one meaning to the prejudice of another and perhaps better explanation.

– The Literal Interpretation of Genesis 1:19–20 - Saint Augustine of Hippo

[winfield31]

IMHO , Jesus came down to Earth as God is FAR to awesome for mere mankind to comprehend/understand Him..........thus God came down from Heaven in the form of a man (which we were originally created in His image anyways) by the name of Jesus (Jeshua) , where we could "meet" the real "living God" , to learn His love , compassion , teachings , forgiving , & He thus learned about how hard it is for us................& "took" our sins/mistakes/diseases on His shoulders , if we accept Him as our personal Lord & Savior , we shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven , as John 3:16 states: "For God so loved the world , He gave His only begotten Son (Jesus) , that whosoever shall believe in Him , shall not perish , but have everlasting life............" Then knowing He would be crucified , He had another VERY important purpose , He left us with "The Great Comforter" (Holy Spirit) to help us via using the "power & authority" of the Holy Spirit to guide us about understanding , learning , & continuing Christ's mission to forgive mankind & love everyone unconditionally , plus ourselves , & try to set an example & spread the "Good News" that we DO NOT have to suffer from the flesh of life here on Earth , but be dead to the flesh & rejoice in the Spirit of our Living God.............Again I do not judge others of different faiths or of no faith , just answering the thread in my opinion............

[TOOLBAGS]

Rising I know you are searching man, I 'm gonna pray for you and toolbags.

Pray that you will come to have a personal relationship with the true and living GOD WHENEVER YOU ARE READY!
Please don't waste your prayers on me. My personal relationships with the living are far more important to me then having a relationship with a god. Maybe if people worked more on there personal relationships than there relationship with god there wouldnt be such a high divorce rate. I have it pretty good IMO. Pray for someone who would appreciate it. If I prayed, I would pray that you would do good just to do it, not to go to a place called heaven. Why must there be a reward to do good?

[TOOLBAGS]

BTT, You have no problem with your god sending someone like me to hell? Yet he forgives a murderer as long as he finds god and repents his sins? Are you kidding me? How can you FOLLOW somebody like this. Come on man, be a leader!!

[Bringthetruth]

Having Christ in you life isn't just about heaven...who told you that ?


You really don't know life until you re-unite with the "AUTHOR OF LIFE"



The Life That Jesus gives me by following him gives me an advantage in life that otherwise I would not have.

Giving me a peace of mind everyday when I wake up in my heavenly language that only he understands.

Giving me strength when I should be drained because of a very hectic heavy situation.

Being able to pray for the sick and seeing God restore them to health.

These are just a few blessings of the author of life has passed on to the ones who believes in him.

[Bringthetruth]

BTT, You have no problem with your god sending someone like me to hell? Yet he forgives a murderer as long as he finds god and repents his sins? Are you kidding me? How can you FOLLOW somebody like this. Come on man, be a leader!!

Oh trust me I am being a leader this is why following Christ is the ultimate training ground...he never lost. Toolbags it's so easy to be a follower in the world today,whereever the current trends runs it inturn runs you, that's my friend is not being a leader.

He mercy is new every morning for you and me , all we have to do is accept it.

Better the murder recieve his mercy or you ? This is the choice you will have to make .

[winfield31]

BTT, You have no problem with your god sending someone like me to hell? Yet he forgives a murderer as long as he finds god and repents his sins? Are you kidding me? How can you FOLLOW somebody like this. Come on man, be a leader!!tool , let your leaders be servants...............or in essence he who is leader amongst you , also be your servant............

[TOOLBAGS]

So again, you have no problem with good people going to hell just because he doesnt aknowledge YOUR god? sick sick sick twisted thinking. Who needs prayers? I pray your God see's there is more to life than death!!

[Bringthetruth]

Just remember this one thing the body will one day die and start decaying,but your Spirit is gonna live forever whether you like it or not, but you can determine where it's gonna live eternity it's your choice.;)

[TOOLBAGS]

Just remember this one thing the body will one day die and start decaying,but your Spirit is gonna live forever whether you like it or not, but you can determine where it's gonna live eternity it's your choice.;)
Says a book? OK. If thats what you need to know to live a good honest life, have at it. So you avoided my question,are you personally are ok with good people going to hell? I sure hope not. Think outside of the book for a second. Your morals, ideals, ethics are ok with this? How can anybody agree with this thinking...very self centered if you ask me.

[Bringthetruth]

You are asking me to answer you not based on the bible, but what you might not understand is ,the bible is my roadmap so when I miss my turn in life ,it helps get me back on track.

What is you're definition of Good people? The ones you say God sends to hell.

[TOOLBAGS]

You are asking me to answer you not based on the bible, but what you might not understand is ,the bible is my roadmap so when I miss my turn in life ,it helps get me back on track.

What is you're definition of Good people? The ones you say God sends to hell.
Im talking about people who do good. Help needy, take care of family and friends, treat ALL people with respect. People who don't critizise other religions. You know generally good people who dont aknowledge god, or YOUR church. Those people should burn in hell?

[TOOLBAGS]

Why do you need a road map? When I miss a turn in life, I man up and take care of my problems. No book needed. Life really isnt that complicated. You are here to live, not die. Again, why must you be guided to do good when it comes natural for me? I'm no better than anybody else. How can you walk around this world not thinking on your own? You are your own man, make your decisions based on YOU. Not a book written thousands of years ago by some authors with great imaginations.

[bigpoppapuff]

Why do you need a road map? When I miss a turn in life, I man up and take care of my problems. No book needed. Life really isnt that complicated. You are here to live, not die. Again, why must you be guided to do good when it comes natural for me? I'm no better than anybody else. How can you walk around this world not thinking on your own? You are your own man, make your decisions based on YOU. Not a book written thousands of years ago by some authors with great imaginations.


once again....good post....

[Dumbfounded]

Hey BTT - why don't you go ahead and answer the question I posed to you in the other thread -- Are non-Christians welcome in the religious threads?

This is now the 4th time I've asked you. If you think I'm going to stop asking, you are mistaken. I'm just looking for an answer.

Thank you.

Sulu,
you know that historically,
Christians love to stick their noses into the affairs of other religions pontificating what is "right" and "wrong"
and since God supposedly doesn't judge our religion, income or race, but our SOULS,
then all should be welcome into threads discussing this superstitious fear-mongering, fiction!

Amen and vote for McCain
or
you're not a true American!!!

[Dumbfounded]

Why do you need a road map? When I miss a turn in life, I man up and take care of my problems. No book needed. Life really isnt that complicated. You are here to live, not die. Again, why must you be guided to do good when it comes natural for me? I'm no better than anybody else. How can you walk around this world not thinking on your own? You are your own man, make your decisions based on YOU. Not a book written thousands of years ago by some authors with great
imaginations.

THANK YOU
THANK YOU
THANK YOU
THANK YOU

I REFUSE to believe that human beings would become violent, bestial heartless monsters,
bereft of compassion and love
if religion "blessedly" was taken out of our world

Considering the way humans have mistreated each other WITH religion's "tempering morality,"
that we continually break every commandment without regret-

How much WORSE would the world be without religion?!

Its like many circles of politics: "They (citizens) don't have enough brains to know what's best for them" so WE have to make their decisions for them,"
as the three major religions dictate how we should live


I'm postitive that everyone out there knows puh-lenty of kind, good and decent people
who by some "miracle" have big hearts
without the guidance of organized religion


Just more brainwashing by the powers that keep on herding us Sheep according to their selfish goals of social (corrupt) and financial gain

[mikenold]

It seems like judging Christians is the only acceptable judging going on in this part of the forum. Just an observation!

[TOOLBAGS]

It seems like judging Christians is the only acceptable judging going on in this part of the forum. Just an observation!
Who's judging Christians? If asking them reasonable questions is judging then...I guess. I said from the start, If you need religion to make you a better person, have at it. It can't be a bad thing. Doesnt effect my happy, very simple life. Just trying to figure out why people need to be guided. Thats all. Sorry if you feel judged.

[mikenold]

Who's judging Christians? If asking them reasonable questions is judging then...I guess. I said from the start, If you need religion to make you a better person, have at it. It can't be a bad thing. Doesnt effect my happy, very simple life. Just trying to figure out why people need to be guided. Thats all. Sorry if you feel judged.

Sorry, I wasn't pointing at you. I wasn't speaking of only myself. It was just an observation. I cannot speak for others, but left to my self, I was pretty woeful at setting the direction of my life. Once I realized my need for a savior, I now have a direction and purpose in my life. It is also very comforting to know where I will spend the eternity after the average 70-75 years here on Earth. I hope that helps explain my need to be guided.

[TOOLBAGS]

Sorry, I wasn't pointing at you. I wasn't speaking of only myself. It was just an observation. I cannot speak for others, but left to my self, I was pretty woeful at setting the direction of my life. Once I realized my need for a savior, I now have a direction and purpose in my life. It is also very comforting to know where I will spend the eternity after the average 70-75 years here on Earth. I hope that helps explain my need to be guided.
Thanks for trying to explain it. It seems very personal that you "found" a god. If thats what helped you be a better person I'm glad for that. I feel no need for anything more once this life is over. I feel being alive is the most awsome thing. Why does there have to be more? Someone once told me religion is for the weak minded. I don't know if I would go that far but it seems most people find religion when times get bad and they can't deal with what they have done or need to do. Sounds like a crutch to me. So Ill ask you the same question, should I burn in hell for not finding Jesus? Isnt this what the holy book says? I can't be associated with something like that. I'm a good person, my family, friends and most co-workers would agree. I dont need to be accepted by a god. My family and friends accept me, and that is what is and forever will be most important to me. By putting my family first, always, how can I go wrong? Thanks again.

[mikenold]

So Ill ask you the same question, should I burn in hell for not finding Jesus? Isnt this what the holy book says? I can't be associated with something like that. I'm a good person, my family, friends and most co-workers would agree. I dont need to be accepted by a god. My family and friends accept me, and that is what is and forever will be most important to me. By putting my family first, always, how can I go wrong? Thanks again.

I can only answer that with a quote from my holy book, the Bible:

Revelation:20:12: And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Revelation:20:15: And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

I believe what the book says. It would take more verses for me to tell how to have your name in the book of life, and I wouldn't mind sharing some with you. However, don't take my word for it, the new testament is all about those that will be in the book of life, if you would want to do some research for yourself.

[TOOLBAGS]

I can only answer that with a quote from my holy book, the Bible:

Revelation:20:12: And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Revelation:20:15: And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

I believe what the book says. It would take more verses for me to tell how to have your name in the book of life, and I wouldn't mind sharing some with you. However, don't take my word for it, the new testament is all about those that will be in the book of life, if you would want to do some research for yourself.
I'm lost. However the research I have done, and a reason it seems you dodge the question is because, I ,according to your book, will go to Hell. After all IF I follow what is a sin in your book, I have sinned. I will never go to church and "get to be forgiven". I don't pray. God doesnt "talk to me". So I will burn in hell.
Sorry, thats hard for me to believe. I would much rather think when im dead im dead. It is most logic and the reason I enjoy life so much!! Again, no disrespect, if religion makes your life better, Awsome!!

[bigpoppapuff]

I'm lost. However the research I have done, and a reason it seems you dodge the question is because, I ,according to your book, will go to Hell. After all IF I follow what is a sin in your book, I have sinned. I will never go to church and "get to be forgiven". I don't pray. God doesnt "talk to me". So I will burn in hell.
Sorry, thats hard for me to believe. I would much rather think when im dead im dead. It is most logic and the reason I enjoy life so much!! Again, no disrespect, if religion makes your life better, Awsome!!

let me pose this to some......a person lives a good life....helps wherever and whenever he can....doesn't believe in the bible,though....when he dies...he goes to hell.....
a murderer and child rapist,when in jail,picks up a bible and says "i'm a believer!!"....he gets the free pass to heaven??...
c'mon.....stop,now!!

it's a crutch and a crock of poop!!!

[Bringthetruth]

I'm lost. However the research I have done, and a reason it seems you dodge the question is because, I ,according to your book, will go to Hell. After all IF I follow what is a sin in your book, I have sinned. I will never go to church and "get to be forgiven". I don't pray. God doesnt "talk to me". So I will burn in hell.
Sorry, thats hard for me to believe. I would much rather think when im dead im dead. It is most logic and the reason I enjoy life so much!! Again, no disrespect, if religion makes your life better, Awsome!!

Death is really the divesting of a decaying body and the entrance into another aspect of life.

Toolbags have you ever seen those near death experiences documentaries before on tv ?

Everyone who had them stated they watched their Spirit lifted up out of their bodies meaning they were still alive(not dead) but in a Spirit form. The flesh we live in is only our suit live in sorta.

God is A Spirit remember genesis 1-27 says that we were made in Gods image.

Human beings cannot probe the mind of God by asking themselves what they would do if they were God. We are men and not God.

And if they are wise men they will wait for God to reveal himself under his conditions of his own choosing.

[winfield31]

let me pose this to some......a person lives a good life....helps wherever and whenever he can....doesn't believe in the bible,though....when he dies...he goes to hell.....
a murderer and child rapist,when in jail,picks up a bible and says "i'm a believer!!"....he gets the free pass to heaven??...
c'mon.....stop,now!!

it's a crutch and a crock of poop!!!bpp , you know me..........I will not judge either scenario as you describe them , but as far as the murderer & child rapist , "ONLY" God know this person's heart (Bible picked-up & all) . Can he or she be forgiven , I sure hope so............First case scenario , non-Bible believing person who lives a "good" life , can he/she go to Heaven , again not my "call" , God does the ultimate judging..........I sure hope we ALL make it there , I have a "piece" of Heaven right here on Earth , I've been to Vizzi's too..........:)

[therising]

It seems like judging Christians is the only acceptable judging going on in this part of the forum. Just an observation!

Are you kidding me? :confused:

Every time someone shows that they don't necessarily follow Christianity, the Christians here tell them "That's OK because I'll pray for you so that you'll see it my way." Are you saying that's not judging? You're gonna pray for me, so that I see the light your way, but you're not judging me? :confused:

Plus, we have, at least one poster who goes out of their way to say "My God is the highest God." Don't you think that's judging anyone who doesn't believe in that same God?

[mesue]

Are you kidding me? :confused:

Every time someone shows that they don't necessarily follow Christianity, the Christians here tell them "That's OK because I'll pray for you so that you'll see it my way." Are you saying that's not judging? You're gonna pray for me, so that I see the light your way, but you're not judging me? :confused:

Plus, we have, at least one poster who goes out of their way to say "My God is the highest God." Don't you think that's judging anyone who doesn't believe in that same God?
That would be me. And I do worship the Most High God :D

[therising]

I wasn't speaking of only myself. It was just an observation. I cannot speak for others, but left to my self, I was pretty woeful at setting the direction of my life. Once I realized my need for a savior, I now have a direction and purpose in my life. It is also very comforting to know where I will spend the eternity after the average 70-75 years here on Earth. I hope that helps explain my need to be guided.

First off, thank you for honestly explaining what turned you to Christianity.

However....you said that you had a "need to be guided." Can you not understand that some people never have that need?
Using your logic, having that need (and following it) will get you to heaven. So, doesn't it seem unfair that people who never have the need get punished, by not getting to heaven?

[mesue]

let me pose this to some......a person lives a good life....helps wherever and whenever he can....doesn't believe in the bible,though....when he dies...he goes to hell.....
a murderer and child rapist,when in jail,picks up a bible and says "i'm a believer!!"....he gets the free pass to heaven??...
c'mon.....stop,now!!

it's a crutch and a crock of poop!!! You make God no god at all when you say things like that. Christ shed His blood for all sin, not just some. The only sin is blapheme of the Holy Spirit and you can only really do that by not accepting Jesus' work done at the Cross of Calvary.
Consider, the Apostle Paul was a murderer. I have no doubt he's in Heaven. King Davis was a murderer. He was a man after God's own heart.

[therising]

That would be me. And I do worship the Most High God :D

You don't say. :rolleyes: :)

[mesue]

First off, thank you for honestly explaining what turned you to Christianity.

However....you said that you had a "need to be guided." Can you not understand that some people never have that need?
Using your logic, having that need (and following it) will get you to heaven. So, doesn't it seem unfair that people who never have the need get punished, by not getting to heaven?
All, not some, sin separates us from God. Sin is transgression of the law. One of the laws is do not lie. Another is honor your mother and father. Tell me what teenager hasn't rebelled and/or lied to their parents at least once.

[mesue]

You don't say. :rolleyes: :)
Oh I did :D
and I'm sure I wll again ;)

[TOOLBAGS]

Death is really the divesting of a decaying body and the entrance into another aspect of life.

Toolbags have you ever seen those near death experiences documentaries before on tv ?

Everyone who had them stated they watched their Spirit lifted up out of their bodies meaning they were still alive(not dead) but in a Spirit form. The flesh we live in is only our suit live in sorta.

God is A Spirit remember genesis 1-27 says that we were made in Gods image.

Human beings cannot probe the mind of God by asking themselves what they would do if they were God. We are men and not God.

And if they are wise men they will wait for God to reveal himself under his conditions of his own choosing.
Yes I have heard of them near death experiences and seen the documentaries. Again, I believe what I see first hand. My grandfather died several times b4 finally dieing. He told me it gets dark. Thats it. It got dark and he was out, next thing he new, he woke up where he left. If I really want to see or experiences something, I believe I can trick my mind to seeing those things at a time of crisis. Thats how I explain it. Until I witness first hand anything different, I compare them to ghost STORIES. So your alright with me going to hell? You want to follow someone who preaches that? How can you believe your totally cool god would banish me to hell? What kind of god is that? I didnt kill anybody. I know im a good person, I dont need your god to tell me otherwise. I worship myself and take pride in myself. It has gotten me far.

[therising]

All, not some, sin separates us from God. Sin is transgression of the law. One of the laws is do not lie. Another is honor your mother and father. Tell me what teenager hasn't rebelled and/or lied to their parents at least once.

I have absolutely no idea why you wrote this.

[therising]

Death is really the divesting of a decaying body and the entrance into another aspect of life.

Toolbags have you ever seen those near death experiences documentaries before on tv ?

Everyone who had them stated they watched their Spirit lifted up out of their bodies meaning they were still alive(not dead) but in a Spirit form. The flesh we live in is only our suit live in sorta.

God is A Spirit remember genesis 1-27 says that we were made in Gods image.

Human beings cannot probe the mind of God by asking themselves what they would do if they were God. We are men and not God.

And if they are wise men they will wait for God to reveal himself under his conditions of his own choosing.

I absolutely 100% believe in God. I'm not sold on the "Jesus is my Savior" thing, though.
So where does that put me? Purgatory? :confused:

[mesue]

I have absolutely no idea why you wrote this.
because you said
So, doesn't it seem unfair that people who never have the need get punished, by not getting to heaven?

[bigpoppapuff]

That would be me. And I do worship the Most High God :D


so,on the god baseball team...does YOUR god lead off or bat clean up??....probably pitches,as well...

[therising]

Quote:
Originally Posted by therising
I have absolutely no idea why you wrote this.

because you said
Quote:

Originally Posted by therising
So, doesn't it seem unfair that people who never have the need get punished, by not getting to heaven?


I still don't see what your response has to do with my question. My question was about some people recognizing the need for a savior. While others never feel that need.
I just don't understand what that has to do with sin?
Unless, what you're saying is "everyone sins, so everyone needs a savior."

Is that what you're saying?

[MERL J]

Just another comment that you "heard" from somewhere else. People will always try to prove the bible and the notion of God wrong. Problem is, it never works. Man has always tried to be God ever since Satan put the thought in his head.

I agree, now I ask you to really, really think about that.

[MERL J]

Besides all that...lets just say its true..I follow Jesus I go to this totally cool, most awsome place ever called "Heaven". So if I dont follow him I burn in hell? What a great God!! I live a honest life. Help people. Do everything the christians do except aknowledge church and Jesus. I burn in Hell? Ha, if thats the case....who needs Jesus? He seems like a prick to me.

A friend of mine has a wonderful analogy for this. "God is our Father and I can;t see any parent, no matter how bad their child has been, place them in an oven if they truly love their child." Now, that's sensible to me.

BTW, Buddah was never considered a god - only a teacher...

[MERL J]

Just remember this one thing the body will one day die and start decaying,but your Spirit is gonna live forever whether you like it or not, but you can determine where it's gonna live eternity it's your choice.;)

Sounds like reincarnation to me.

[MERL J]

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."

Guess who...

[bigpoppapuff]

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."

Guess who...


dalai lama...

[MERL J]

dalai lama...

Am i that transparent? :D

[bigpoppapuff]

"My religion is very simple. My religion is kindness."

[bigpoppapuff]

Am i that transparent? :D

no....it is,isn't it??

[MERL J]

no....it is,isn't it??

Sure is and the one you posted, too. Did you read my page for that or are we on a karmic level here?

[mesue]

"My religion is very simple. My religion is kindness."
really? tolerance too?

[bigpoppapuff]

Sure is and the one you posted, too. Did you read my page for that or are we on a karmic level here?


karmic level for two hundred,alex!!

[MERL J]

karmic level for two hundred,alex!!

Hmmm, okay, who said:

"However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them?"

[bigpoppapuff]

Hmmm, okay, who said:

"However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them?"


that.i don't know,m.....who 'twas??

[MERL J]

that.i don't know,m.....who 'twas??

Sidhartha

[mesue]

Hmmm, okay, who said:

"However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them?"
James - Be doers of the word and not hearers only :)
There's nothing new under the sun - Solomon

[MERL J]

"Teach this triple truth to all: A generous heart, kind speech, and a life of service and compassion are the things which renew humanity."

[bigpoppapuff]

m.....


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[mesue]

"Teach this triple truth to all: A generous heart, kind speech, and a life of service and compassion are the things which renew humanity."
Psalm 31 :)

[mesue]

cancer in my warrior breasts ... ooookay. I'll move on now ...

[bigpoppapuff]

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[LHardy]

Now I expect non believers and those who believer to answer this question.

This won't be a thread to put down your opinion, just to observe what we all think about him.:)

The Christ came to earth to experience as God only could experience the realities experienced by that of his creation.
Having experienced those same ills inflicted upon mankind. His sins and his life God had experience through the Christ.
Dying as all man will and rising as all man can.
The complete experience of the creation is now held by God and that forgiveness of understanding completes man with God.

[MERL J]

Psalm 31 :)

Sorry, mesue - Sidhartha -

[mikenold]

I'm lost. However the research I have done, and a reason it seems you dodge the question is because, I ,according to your book, will go to Hell. After all IF I follow what is a sin in your book, I have sinned. I will never go to church and "get to be forgiven". I don't pray. God doesnt "talk to me". So I will burn in hell.
Sorry, thats hard for me to believe. I would much rather think when im dead im dead. It is most logic and the reason I enjoy life so much!! Again, no disrespect, if religion makes your life better, Awsome!!

You don't have to go to church to be forgiven, you can just ask God to forgive you personally.

Salvation puts your name in the Book of Life

To be saved you must admit you are a sinner (we all are)
Romans:3:10: As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Ro:3:23: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Believe that Christ died for your sin:
Ro:5:8: But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Ro:6:23: For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Ask the Lord to be the Lord of your life(easy as praying):
“Dear God I know I am a sinner, and I want your forgiveness. I believe that Jesus died on the cross to pay the price for my sins. Come into my life Jesus to be my Lord and savior. I ask in Jesus name. Amen”
Ro:10:13: For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Revelation:3:20: Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Believe that the Lord rose from the dead:
Ro:10:9: That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

[mesue]

Sorry, mesue - Sidhartha -
Not for me :)

[Sylvan]

The question is a metaphor, right?

The jesus of the bible NEVER walked, flew, or even existed. The biblical jesus is just a bullsh*t story like santa claus and the tooth fairy used to contain and control populations for enslavement. Christ consciousness.

The story of jesus was based on roman man who spoke out a lot about his wish that people would just get along. But the Roman Authority refused to use his name because the man was also a known adulterer and homosexual. So the roman authority took this mans ideas and used the name jesus because the jesus name was as popular back then as Smith and Jones are today. Then the authority came up with christ and said okay these are the words we'll use to brainwash the population with so we can increase the size of the military to fight the Persians. (300, or so, years later the Persians came up with their bullsh*t story about Mohammad to increase their armies to fight the chistians)

Its that simple! And today, all you christians are more brainwashed than ever. Hypocrites preaching peace, principles, and morals, but you continue to over-populate with more and more morons and imbeciles in love with a faceless authoritarian elite represented by puppets who keep us all enslaved.

Shame on you! :(

If the jesus freaks and the mohammad freaks really want to get along, why dont you just try and get along by OMITTING each others bullsh*t stories and start talking to each other about THE TRUTH? :confused: :rolleyes:

[Bringthetruth]

Yes I have heard of them near death experiences and seen the documentaries. Again, I believe what I see first hand. My grandfather died several times b4 finally dieing. He told me it gets dark. Thats it. It got dark and he was out, next thing he new, he woke up where he left. If I really want to see or experiences something, I believe I can trick my mind to seeing those things at a time of crisis. Thats how I explain it. Until I witness first hand anything different, I compare them to ghost STORIES. So your alright with me going to hell? You want to follow someone who preaches that? How can you believe your totally cool god would banish me to hell? What kind of god is that? I didnt kill anybody. I know im a good person, I dont need your god to tell me otherwise. I worship myself and take pride in myself. It has gotten me far.


Personaly toolbags, I wish that no man perish and go to hell.

This is why Jesus died so that NO MAN would have to go to hell.

But if mankind chooses to ignore what Christ did on the cross, they will have to eventually face the consequences.



He took all of our sins to the cross for us, this is why we turn over our lives over to him.

Jesus is the mediator between a Holy God and sinful man.

He is the ultimate lawyer when it comes to God's judgement.

Adam and Eve were to live forever until they disobeyed God and ruined it for all mankind.

Jesus is like the 2nd adam to redeem mankind back to their rightful place "a personal relationship with the living God.

[Sylvan]

But if mankind chooses to ignore what Christ did on the cross, they will have to eventually face the consequences.

Crusufix's were used to light statiums for night games, and to light the roads for merchants transporting goods and services at night. Torch fuel was usually a christian dipped in tar.

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? :rolleyes:

[Bringthetruth]

What Christ did on the cross was becoming a sacrifice to take on the sins for mankind. So that thru him and his shed blood we all can be reconciled back unto God in a right relationship with him.

There is now no more condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.

[TOOLBAGS]

What Christ did on the cross was becoming a sacrifice to take on the sins for mankind. So that thru him and his shed blood we all can be reconciled back unto God in a right relationship with him.

There is now no more condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.
Again, what ever makes you be better person. No need for it here. If you choose to believe in fairy tales, if thats what you need to be a good person, have at it. Just know, you are no better than ANYBODY. That was my only point from the beginning. Carry on.

[Bringthetruth]

No one mentioned about being better than anyone else.

Jesus is the one who makes things better.

He paid the price and made the sacrifice for us, it's nothing we did on our own.

Knowing him in a personal way makes everyone's life better my friend.:)

[Sylvan]

No one mentioned about being better than anyone else.

Jesus is the one who makes things better.

He paid the price and made the sacrifice for us, it's nothing we did on our own.

Knowing him in a personal way makes everyone's life better my friend.:)

If thats what you believe, fine. But it simply proves that you are delutional of reality.

Faith is nothing but the willingness to lie to oneself. When you are content with lying to yourself then you become conditioned to lie to others, believing your own lies and others' lies too. This paradigm then cascades throughout a society and gets instilled in children causing them to grow up confused and dysfunctional until they are comfortable with their enslavement.

Be an incompetent slave if you want to, but stop trying to recruit the downtodden so society becomes even more dumbed down than it already is. :rolleyes:

[mikenold]

If thats what you believe, fine. But it simply proves that you are delutional of reality.

Faith is nothing but the willingness to lie to oneself. When you are content with lying to yourself then you become conditioned to lie to others, believing your own lies and others' lies too. This paradigm then cascades throughout a society and gets instilled in children causing them to grow up confused and dysfunctional until they are comfortable with their enslavement.

Be an incompetent slave if you want to, but stop trying to recruit the downtodden so society becomes even more dumbed down than it already is. :rolleyes:

The name of the thread is "What did Jesus come to Earth for?". For some, I guess it was to make them angry and aggravated.

[mikenold]

The name of the thread is "What did Jesus come to Earth for?". For some, I guess it was to make them angry and aggravated.

I retract this statement. I apologize for being sarcastic. It was one of those times, like when you say something and wish you could reel it back.

[Sylvan]

The name of the thread is "What did Jesus come to Earth for?". For some, I guess it was to make them angry and aggravated.

I included the name of the thread in my first post, which if you payed attention was numbered #101. Nice pun, huh? "Why did jesus come to earth 101 - by Sylvan" HAHAHA!!!!!!

And the answer is simple. HE DIDNT!!!!! The Christ Consciousness is a fraud meant to enslave you! And it has succeeed!!! Want proof? Just watch Springer, and Povich, Phil, and Opera... Look at the schools, the pharaceutacles, the traffic jams, the military industrial complex, and the government. Look at the diseases, the depression, the ignorance, and dysfunction.

Yep, just like the way jesus wanted it! :rolleyes: :p

[Sylvan]

I retract this statement. I apologize for being sarcastic. It was one of those times, like when you say something and wish you could reel it back.

Not necessary, unless your conscience strains when you tell [what you think is] the truth. I am not the least bit offended, and didnt see any sarcasm in your statement whatsoever.

Sarcasm hurts feelings.
Banter is humorous fun.
But both sarcasm and banter are meant to tell the truth whether people like it or not.

[mikenold]

Not necessary, unless your conscience strains when you tell [what you think is] the truth. I am not the least bit offended, and didnt see any sarcasm in your statement whatsoever.

Sarcasm hurts feelings.
Banter is humorous fun.
But both sarcasm and banter are meant to tell the truth whether people like it or not.

Thank you for understanding.

[winfield31]

I included the name of the thread in my first post, which if you payed attention was numbered #101. Nice pun, huh? "Why did jesus come to earth 101 - by Sylvan" HAHAHA!!!!!!

And the answer is simple. HE DIDNT!!!!! The Christ Consciousness is a fraud meant to enslave you! And it has succeeed!!! Want proof? Just watch Springer, and Povich, Phil, and Opera... Look at the schools, the pharaceutacles, the traffic jams, the military industrial complex, and the government. Look at the diseases, the depression, the ignorance, and dysfunction.

Yep, just like the way jesus wanted it! :rolleyes: :p:) syl , I of course know you're read the last book of the Bible , Revelations . Everything you wrote that is happening to this world now was already written many moons ago , & I'm going to spoil your ending as I've read the whole Bible & I'm going to cheat & tell you the ending...............Our Father God & Jesus WINS !

[Bringthetruth]

I will pray sylvan one day will have an understanding what we are talking about.

[wheresthesun]

No one mentioned about being better than anyone else.

Jesus is the one who makes things better.

He paid the price and made the sacrifice for us, it's nothing we did on our own.

Knowing him in a personal way makes everyone's life better my friend.:)
Correction--it makes YOUR life better.

[Bringthetruth]

Correction--it makes YOUR life better.


Oh Taste and see that the Lord is good.

[therising]

Oh Taste and see that the Lord is good.

You do realize that you come across, kind of in a "brainwashed, must drink the Kool-Aid way," don't you?

I think it's great that you folks worship Jesus. I just wish you wouldn't tell others, who have different faiths, that they're wrong. What does that accomplish?

[wheresthesun]

You do realize that you come across, kind of in a "brainwashed, must drink the Kool-Aid way," don't you?
I think it's great that you folks worship Jesus. I just wish you wouldn't tell others, who have different faiths, that they're wrong. What does that accomplish?


Not sure why people who appear secure with their faiths, feel compelled to influence/enlighten others. There is no acceptance of our differences whatsoever. Jesus in not a part of my life. Guess what, that's OK!!!

[therising]

Not sure why people who appear secure with their faiths, feel compelled to influence/enlighten others. There is no acceptance of our differences whatsoever. Jesus in not a part of my life. Guess what, that's OK!!!

You just don't know that you're wrong. They'll pray for you, that you accept Jesus as your savior. :) :rolleyes:

[wheresthesun]

You just don't know that you're wrong. They'll pray for you, that you accept Jesus as your savior. :) :rolleyes:
I know, it's a risk I am willing to take, the thing is, no one will ever really know, we just have to do the best we can.

[mikenold]

I know, it's a risk I am willing to take, the thing is, no one will ever really know, we just have to do the best we can.

The thing is you can know. Study it out look at history and you will find that one event stands out. That event was the coming of Jesus Christ to the earth. The Bible has been around for thousands of years. The bible tells us we can know for sure where we will spend eternity. Besides, the day of our death we will know for sure, but it will be too late to change our minds.

[Sylvan]

The thing is you can know...the truth? Study it out look at history and you will find that one[and many] event[s] stands out. That event was the coming of Jesus Christ to the earth. The Bible has been around for thousands of years. The bible tells us we can know for sure where we will spend eternity. Besides, the day of our death we will know for sure, but it will be too late to change our minds.

Follow your own advice and you will find cycles and trends that prove the NT to be nothing but another fraudulent puppet show.

[mesue]

Follow your own advice and you will find cycles and trends that prove the NT to be nothing but another fraudulent puppet show.How does a book cycle?
And, why did you add to mikenold's quote. I see it in red but still, you changed the whole context of it.

[Sylvan]

How does a book cycle?
And, why did you add to mikenold's quote. I see it in red but still, you changed the whole context of it.

1. Its the content, the paradigm, of the book and the consciousness it instills. In this case its the "love for ones own enslavement via blissful ingorance".

2. Red is nice, but green is my favorite color mesue. ;) :D

[bigpoppapuff]

How does a book cycle?
And, why did you add to mikenold's quote. I see it in red but still, you changed the whole context of it.


i think this is what many say...you,mike,and a few others believe in it.....others don't and don''t even care about it.....it's a BOOK...that's all it is and i think it's BS....how's that??.......keep it to yourself and we'll all try to get along...i'm so tired of reading scripture...that,to me,is total BS!!!!


ludicrous 3:16
it will be a starry sunrise on the mount of toads

who cares??

[mesue]

i think this is what many say...you,mike,and a few others believe in it.....others don't and don''t even care about it.....it's a BOOK...that's all it is and i think it's BS....how's that??.......keep it to yourself and we'll all try to get along...i'm so tired of reading scripture...that,to me,is total BS!!!!
... who cares??
So, what you're not supposed to post Scripture in a Religious Forum? You're funny!
That's right BPP, you go on with your intolerant self, in the name of tolerance. I'm supposed to tolerate your intolerance. I do, but just because I tolerate you does not mean I have to accept what you say as the truth. Same goes with you. It's your choice to disbelieve what God says. I'm not making you do anything you don't want to do.
Why bother posting this if you didn't care?

[mesue]

1. Its the content, the paradigm, of the book and the consciousness it instills. In this case its the "love for ones own enslavement via blissful ingorance".

2. Red is nice, but green is my favorite color mesue. ;) :D
but why did you change what he said?

[Bringthetruth]

A true test of faith defies Human Logic !

[Sylvan]

but why did you change what he said?

I dont think I changed anything. I added words that put those sentences in context with reality. Then I followed up with an explanation in my post.

The implication was that because the [so-called] christ event stood out when studying history, then it must be the truth because its thousands of years old. What a crock of sh*t! Why dont you christian jesus freaks study the history for thousands of years before the christ consciousness and compare the psychology of those societies and their leaders to all that lead up to the empires of today? The stories are the same, the lies are the same, the hypocracy is the same, the enslavement is the same, the ignorance is the same, and so is the abundance, selfishness, apathy, dependence, bondage, repression, suppression, and oppression.

The books of Thoth make the New Testament look like a childs romper room show. Why would anyone want to live in romper room their entire life?

[Sylvan]

A true test of faith defies Human Logic !

Logic is not always the best procedure.
But faith has proven over and over to promote lies and hypocracy.
Faith is what is wrong with human civilization.

[mikenold]

I dont think I changed anything. I added words that put those sentences in context with reality. Then I followed up with an explanation in my post.

The implication was that because the [so-called] christ event stood out when studying history, then it must be the truth because its thousands of years old. What a crock of sh*t! Why dont you christian jesus freaks study the history for thousands of years before the christ consciousness and compare the psychology of those societies and their leaders to all that lead up to the empires of today? The stories are the same, the lies are the same, the hypocracy is the same, the enslavement is the same, the ignorance is the same, and so is the abundance, selfishness, apathy, dependence, bondage, repression, suppression, and oppression.

The books of Thoth make the New Testament look like a childs romper room show. Why would anyone want to live in romper room their entire life?

When you add words you change what is said. This seems like common sense to me. If you cannot believe that what I wrote was what I meant then maybe this is why you do not believe what has been said here about Christ, history and the Bible.

[mikenold]

Logic is not always the best procedure.
But faith has proven over and over to promote lies and hypocracy.
Faith is what is wrong with human civilization.

Faith is the belief in something unseen. You have to have faith to believe that the chair that you will sit in will hold you. Or, do you test the chair each and every time you try to sit in it? Whether you have faith in gravity or not does not determine whether it is true or not. Just hold a hammer above your head and let it go. It doesn't matter whether you have faith in gravity or not, I will guarantee it will fall on your head(as long as you are on this Earth of course).

[Sylvan]

When you add words you change what is said. This seems like common sense to me. If you cannot believe that what I wrote was what I meant then maybe this is why you do not believe what has been said here about Christ, history and the Bible.

If I was trying to change what you meant I wouldnt have added what I added in a different color so it was obvious the charactors were added. Again, nothing was "changed". Was it the red font that had you comparing me to a grade school teacher grading a students assignment? I explained twice! If you cant comprehend the fact that the NT and the christ character are just copies of paradigms before them and there is absolutely nothing special about them except their ability to keep the population dumbed down voluntarily, Im not surprized.

[Sylvan]

Faith is the belief in something unseen.

Wrong!

Faith is the belief in something that CAN NOT be proven.

Radio waves were unseen until there was a device invented to prove radio was there. The inventer "hoped" his device would prove it was there. Faith has absolutely nothing to do with it!

Faith is for the demented, the hypocrite, and the corrupt.

[Bringthetruth]

Faith is a substance of things hoped for, with the evidence of things not seen.

[Sylvan]

Faith is a substance of things hoped for, with the evidence of things not seen.

Thats called "dementia". :rolleyes:
You should be on a drip and chained to a floor.

[mikenold]

Wrong!

Faith is the belief in something that CAN NOT be proven.

Radio waves were unseen until there was a device invented to prove radio was there. The inventer "hoped" his device would prove it was there. Faith has absolutely nothing to do with it!

Faith is for the demented, the hypocrite, and the corrupt.

If - Faith is the belief in something that CAN NOT be proven. And - there was a device invented to prove radio was there. Then You can't have faith in Radio waves. If there were proof of the salvation in Jesus Christ, then you would not need Faith. My definition may not have been complete, but yours is not complete either.