So we shouldn't try to help anyone?

[WNYresident]

So we shouldn't try to help anyone?

No, the statement I made is your can't help EVERYONE.

Somehow your bringing the term "poverty" in a thread about street gang danger.

If you want to start a thread on how poverty causes street gangs then start one.

But back to topic.

Stop illegal border crossings. We can't help everyone who wants to come here for help.

[raoul duke]

The only way we will stop illegal border crossings is by making this country a prison, complete with walls and constant surveillance. If we want to stop gang activity, we have to work harder and more effectively at breaking the cycle of poverty. Poor begets poor, just like indifferent middle-class begets indifferent middle-class. Unless there is a concerted effort on the part of everyone to change it. The process is not simple by any means, but the solution is.

[NoCtUrNaL]

The only way we will stop illegal border crossings is by making this country a prison, complete with walls and constant surveillance.

I've always found it funny that if someone from another country wants to fly into this country they need go thru 42 layers of security, but if they don't mind walking they can tap dance in a congo line with nukes and drugs strapped to their back.

[WNYresident]

I've always found it funny that if someone from another country wants to fly into this country they need go thru 42 layers of security, but if they don't mind walking they can tap dance in a congo line with nukes and drugs strapped to their back.

Half ass backwards isn't it.

[therising]

The only way we will stop illegal border crossings is by making this country a prison, complete with walls and constant surveillance. If we want to stop gang activity, we have to work harder and more effectively at breaking the cycle of poverty. Poor begets poor, just like indifferent middle-class begets indifferent middle-class. Unless there is a concerted effort on the part of everyone to change it. The process is not simple by any means, but the solution is.

Seems like these MS-13 dudes may be sneaking into the US, and, intentionally starring trouble.

Do you think, maybe, if we give them money and free housing they won't hurt us? :o

[raoul duke]

Half ass backwards isn't it.
And part fantasy, but don't let that stop you.

[raoul duke]

Seems like these MS-13 dudes may be sneaking into the US, and, intentionally starring trouble.

Do you think, maybe, if we give them money and free housing they won't hurt us? :o
Yeah, because that's exactly what I said. . . :rolleyes:

[WNYresident]

Yeah, because that's exactly what I said. . . :rolleyes:

Well I said "we can't help everyone" and you twisted that into
"So we shouldn't try to help anyone?"

I help a lot of people by choice. I use my own money and my own time. I just don't happen to have enough money and time to help everybody. I know a lot of people just like me but we can't help every person on earth just because you feel we as a country should.

[NoCtUrNaL]

Yeah the tons of illicit drugs and the thousands of illegal’s that cross into this country annually are the result of prestidigitation. Smoke and mirrors babe, smoke and mirrors. :D

[Effigy]

The only way we will stop illegal border crossings is by making this country a prison, complete with walls and constant surveillance. If we want to stop gang activity, we have to work harder and more effectively at breaking the cycle of poverty. Poor begets poor, just like indifferent middle-class begets indifferent middle-class. Unless there is a concerted effort on the part of everyone to change it. The process is not simple by any means, but the solution is.

The way we stop all the BS is to eliminate entitlements.

And then people, including children, will either die or survive on their own mettle, or on the mettle of the people who are related to them.

No more expanding welfare rolls. You sign up for welfare, you get the benefits for how many children you have TODAY. Get pregnant again? Stretch your budget, because your benefits are not going up.

Better yet, make birth control mandatory to receive any public assistance.

Drug testing as proposed by Res previously is another filter.

[therising]

The only way we will stop illegal border crossings is by making this country a prison, complete with walls and constant surveillance. If we want to stop gang activity, we have to work harder and more effectively at breaking the cycle of poverty. Poor begets poor, just like indifferent middle-class begets indifferent middle-class. Unless there is a concerted effort on the part of everyone to change it. The process is not simple by any means, but the solution is.

I'm all for helping poor people.

But, if you can stop violent people from illegally sneaking into the Country...well, yeah, I'm all for that too.

[Cgoodsp466]

The only way we will stop illegal border crossings is by making this country a prison, complete with walls and constant surveillance. If we want to stop gang activity, we have to work harder and more effectively at breaking the cycle of poverty. Poor begets poor, just like indifferent middle-class begets indifferent middle-class. Unless there is a concerted effort on the part of everyone to change it. The process is not simple by any means, but the solution is.

Stupid begets stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Achbek1]

All of this is why nothing, NOTHING, that could potentially EMPLOY people should be picked apart, sidelined, railroaded, protested, or stopped.

Here in Erie County we have so many people on Social Services that the money to pay for them takes away so much from the County budget that they then have to, ironically, LAY OFF the people who actually work for them.

That's what happned a few years back anyways.

Only in New York State do we do everything we can to make it easy for people to go on Social Services and do everything we can to make it difficult for a business that will employ people to open.

...And only in Erie County do we do desperately need places for people to work yet we so passionately complain about any potential proposed development.

[Achbek1]

Seems like these MS-13 dudes may be sneaking into the US, and, intentionally starring trouble.

Do you think, maybe, if we give them money and free housing they won't hurt us? :o

A lot of people are seeing that possible connection. I don't think a lot of these guys are coming in here and immediatley getting 40 hour a week jobs in middle managment.

[WNYresident]

Achbek1,

That's why socialism doesn't work. The government can not take care of everyone's needs. Only people can take care of thier own needs by thier own efforts.

I see another person working on the way to becoming a free cheezer. He acutally stops at my shop while he's out on his errands but won't even put togeather a resume. I have asked him easily 100 times.

He's gonna use excuses why he can't work. I have heard "I have high blood pressure", "my legs hurt if I stand too long" or the worse excuse ever... I'm not going to work there... that's beneath me.

Doesn't that just floor you when someone says I won't work because it's beneath me.

I said go work at Mcdonalds or Wegmans. NOOOO... I'm far better than that.

Apparently his arms work quite well. He has no problem feeding himself. He complains he's gaining wieght. He goes to the casino and doesn't have a problem playing the slots. If he can play a slot machine he can easily hit the button on a deep fryer at Mcdonalds. And the worse... he has no issue driving to go get his lottery tickets.. He doesn't work.. who's money is he pissing away playing the lottery?

There are people who truly need help and there is no reason not to help. But then we have people like him who should receive no help because they won't even help themselves.

I called the complaint line but doesn't anyone know of someone in the "welfare" system that catches the lazy trying to get their entitlement?

[Achbek1]

Achbek1,

That's why socialism doesn't work. The government can not take care of everyone's needs. Only people can take care of thier own needs by thier own efforts.

I see another person working on the way to becoming a free cheezer. He acutally stops at my shop while he's out on his errands but won't even put togeather a resume. I have asked him easily 100 times.

He's gonna use excuses why he can't work. I have heard "I have high blood pressure", "my legs hurt if I stand too long" or the worse excuse ever... I'm not going to work there... that's beneath me.

Doesn't that just floor you when someone says I won't work because it's beneath me.

I said go work at Mcdonalds or Wegmans. NOOOO... I'm far better than that.

Apparently his arms work quite well. He has no problem feeding himself. He complains he's gaining wieght. He goes to the casino and doesn't have a problem playing the slots. If he can play a slot machine he can easily hit the button on a deep fryer at Mcdonalds.

There are people who truely need help and there is no reason not to help. But then we have people like him who should recieve no help because they won't even help themselves.

Fair enough, but I'll give you the shinier side of the coin.

I work with a number of people who are currently on Social Services but who actually WANT to work, that's why they are in school.

Some of them do have backgrounds in fast food, etc. but have an actual desire to pull their way out of it. Sadly, however some of them do face legitimate struggles to do so because of dysfunctional background, etc. but I digress.

What I hear A LOT, however, and this is part of the reason for my often contested rants, is that THEY WANT TO GET A JOB, EVEN YES AN ENTRY LEVEL JOB, BUT OFTEN THE NEIGHBHORHOOD IN WHICH THEY LIVE IS TOO FAR AWAY FROM THE MORE DEVELOPED BUSINESS DISTRICTS. Like Grandpa Bob has often said, there are more opportunities in the suburbs right now than in some parts of the city.

For a teenager living in Tonawanda or Amherst who wants to get a part time job to start making money or gaining work experience, all that kid has to do si walk two blocks to the mall or have his Dad drop him off at a plaza or office park a few minutes away... Or, if they come from a comfortable middle class family, Daddy probably already gave him a car... But I digress again.

However, for a teenager in a "depressed" area of the city, opportunities are not that close by. If they want to get their first entry level job and start gaining work experience, they often have to take multiple bus transfers out to the suburbs. (Remember the famous story of the girl who worked at the Galleria who got hit by the bus... They tried to tear her apart because she was a young single mother... But she was WORKING.)

But then after those people are beyond their teenage years, they have not had the background having built up entry level job experience to be able to move on to the next level... But stil they try.

There's other issues too, that I don't have time to explain too quicky.

Res, I get people every day who DO genuinely WANT to work and WANT to do better. I get young mothers who DO want to get a JOB WITH BENEFITS and people who WANT to work their way up and become successful. I had a someone this week who wants to "breathe life back into her hometown of Buffalo." A lot of these students want to open their own businesses, or go on to law school, etc. Many of them face harder challenges because they are not living in the best of environments to begin with, but many of them DO want to succeed... And many of them do. :)

[WNYresident]

Fair enough, but I'll give you the shinier side of the coin.

I don't mind helping those who are actually help themselves. I'm only referring to the ones who have every excuse in the book not to work. The one's who play the system.

I'm not going to work there... that's beneath me.

[Achbek1]

I don't mind helping those who are actually help themselves. I'm only referring to the ones who have every excuse in the book not to work. The one's who play the system.

The City of Buffalo also has a high number of people who claim "disability status." It's roughly 22.7 percent of the city's population. Nearly a quarter!

http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ACSSAFFFacts?_event=Search&geo_id=&_geoContext=&_street=&_county=buffalo&_cityTown=buffalo&_state=04000US36&_zip=&_lang=en&_sse=on&pctxt=fph&pgsl=010

Hmm... Makes ya wonder.

We have a relative who works for Social Security in another part of the state and she gives us some real doozy stories about what people will go through to try and convince the state that they deserve "disability" benefits.

[Achbek1]

West Side and Lower West Side Stats:

Here's an eye opener... We found this at work a while back.

The 14213 ZIP code of Buffalo, which makes up parts of the West Side and the Lower West Side, has some FRIGHTENING statistics:

This data is from the year 2000, I'm curious to see how things have worsened when the newer data comes out.

http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/SAFFFacts?_event=Search&geo_id=86000US14215&_geoContext=01000US%7C86000US14215&_street=&_county=&_cityTown=&_state=&_zip=14213&_lang=en&_sse=on&ActiveGeoDiv=geoSelect&_useEV=&pctxt=fph&pgsl=860&_submenuId=factsheet_1&ds_name=DEC_2000_SAFF&_ci_nbr=null&qr_name=null&reg=null%3Anull&_keyword=&_industry=

--Close to 40% of families and individuals are "below the poverty level."

--Nearly 30% claim "disability status."

[WNYresident]

I would like someone in the know to explain exactly how "disabled" does someone have to be to be considered disabled enough to collect anything.

[GG716]

I would like someone in the know to explain exactly how "disabled" does someone have to be to be considered disabled enough to collect anything.

How about someone who could not find work and became depressed. Their depression became so sever they stayed in their house for weeks at a time and gave up all hope in finding a job. They got checked into ECMC where they were declared to be severly depressed and saw a shrink for some time to deal with thier depression. Eventually collecting disability due to their depression all steming from not being able to find a job.

Sad part it's TRUE STORY!

[WNYresident]

How about someone who could not find work and became depressed. Their depression became so sever they stayed in their house for weeks at a time and gave up all hope in finding a job. They got checked into ECMC where they were declared to be severly depressed and saw a shrink for some time to deal with thier depression. Eventually collecting disability due to their depression all steming from not being able to find a job.

Sad part it's TRUE STORY!

So why can't they sue the controlling politicians for thier depression? It's caused from a bad running of NYS for the most part.

I'm thinking about sueing eliot spitzer. A complete embarassment to NYS along with a liar. Day one my ass.. Hold government to a higher standard and all the crap he said. Complete fraud. He mislead us wouldn't you agree?

An embarassment to NYS.

[run4it]

Stupid begets stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think it's a little harsh to assume that your kids are assinine idiots too.

[run4it]

For the record, I have "disability" status....from years ago. I receive no benefits, but for a few reasons I had to register a few years back. Just because I (and assumedly quite a few others) are demographed as "disabled" doesn't mean that we cost you anything. The few I know personally are actually pretty well employed (including a college professor and a lawyer).

Incidently Achie...you entered my zip code there. I can't speak for the entire zip code, but I DO know that my particular neighborhood of that zip code has gotten exponentially BETTER in the past 8 years, as partially evidenced by easily a dozen young couples/professionals buying houses in the past 3 years alone, with more coming in to rent.

[Cgoodsp466]

I wasnt Talking about you son?:D

[keyboard150]

For the record, I have "disability" status....from years ago. I receive no benefits, but for a few reasons I had to register a few years back. Just because I (and assumedly quite a few others) are demographed as "disabled" doesn't mean that we cost you anything. The few I know personally are actually pretty well employed (including a college professor and a lawyer).

Incidently Achie...you entered my zip code there. I can't speak for the entire zip code, but I DO know that my particular neighborhood of that zip code has gotten exponentially BETTER in the past 8 years, as partially evidenced by easily a dozen young couples/professionals buying houses in the past 3 years alone, with more coming in to rent.

That's fine, but how many people in that zip code are milking the system? Those are the ones we should be worried about.