Jaworski and Italian comments

[getalife123]

My neighbor brought over a letter he received through the mail regarding what appears to be defamatory comment from Chuck Jaworski regarding Italian ethnicity.

The letter states that Mr Jaworski chastised the chairman of the event at the Lake Erie Club - Big Band Concert for having Geoff Szymanski co-sponsor the event and had his name on the banner. It appears that Mr. Jaworski could have also co-sponsored the event but for what ever reason chose not too.

The letter stated that, During the course of the event, Mr Jaworski pointed his finger and stated, "You people are not welcome in City Hall". "YOU PEOPLE"? This insult could only be interpreted as a slur against our ethnicity".

The sponsors of this event and members of the club want an apology from the Council President Charles Jaworski.

Really now just an apology? Wonder how the African American, Muslim, Hispanic or Polish community would react to a ethnic slur against them.

[WNYresident]

They would over react over nothing...

I'm Italian and I don't care. Anyone who makes an issue of it has issues. :)

[Bringthetruth]

Hmmm now I see.

[dickypotpie]

This guy is a piece of work. Didn't he call the the first ward councilman a camel jockey not to long ago.This is what's wrong with this city they are stuck in 60's & 70's mentality. Racists comments are not gonna get you votes. Lord help this city.

[nogods]

When someone uses "you people" to refer to an ethnic group the speaker is exhibiting the depth of his ignorance. More importantly. however, any politician who tells any citizens that they are not "welcomed in city hall" should be barred from city hall.

[dtwarren]

How do we know that the term "you people" was directed at an ethnic group rather than a political faction? From what is posted I cannot tell.

[italy2011]

i really dont like to comment on people but this guy is something else..He is racist and i know it for a fact..He made racial slurs towards the arabs and blacks in my presence..if he really thinks that he is going to win then he is on another planet..he is racist towards every group ...just wait and see what the arabs have for him right before elections...i wanna be the fly on the wall when he finds out...its sad but this city has no room for racism with the diversity of people that live here..GET OVER IT...

[WNYresident]

i really dont like to comment on people but this guy is something else..He is racist and i know it for a fact..He made racial slurs towards the arabs and blacks in my presence..if he really thinks that he is going to win then he is on another planet..he is racist towards every group ...just wait and see what the arabs have for him right before elections...i wanna be the fly on the wall when he finds out...its sad but this city has no room for racism with the diversity of people that live here..GET OVER IT...

What nationality is he?

[italy2011]

What nationality is he?

ITALIAN AND PROUD OF IT...why does it matter what nationality i am...the facts are facts!!!!!!

[cath829]

Italy2011, he was asking what nationality Jaworski is, not you. I think you owe WNY an apology. BTW-I am Polish AND Italian! Proud of both !!!

[WNYresident]

I'm Italian and Polish.


The letter stated that, During the course of the event, Mr Jaworski pointed his finger and stated, "You people are not welcome in City Hall". "YOU PEOPLE"? This insult could only be interpreted as a slur against our ethnicity".

I don't think it can only be interpreted as a slur against our ethnicity. Sounds more like "you people" as in the group that wants something done their way versus his way... could be wrong to..

[italy2011]

Italy2011, he was asking what nationality Jaworski is, not you. I think you owe WNY an apology. BTW-I am Polish AND Italian! Proud of both !!!

im sorry WNY i misunderstood what you were asking...and cath829 we should all be proud of who we are and learn to argree and disagree without making racial slurs like Mr Jaworski has a history of doing..he is still living in times that we all have put behind us..he feels like he is still superior to other people..just look at the way he talks to people..

[WNYresident]

ITALIAN AND PROUD OF IT...why does it matter what nationality i am...the facts are facts!!!!!!

Da quanto tempo sei stato nel nostro paese? I tuoi nonni venire in America? Perché pensa che Chuck Jaworski non piacciono gli italiani? Non è importante quello che nazionalità sei.

Cosa pensi il suo problema è con gli Arabi e persone di colore nella nostra comunità? Come sono i membri del consiglio comunale? Razzisti?

[300miles]

You people make me sick.

:)

[WNYresident]

You people make me sick.

:)

I cheated.... I used google translate :)

[andreahaxton]

i really dont like to comment on people but this guy is something else..He is racist and i know it for a fact..He made racial slurs towards the arabs and blacks in my presence..if he really thinks that he is going to win then he is on another planet..he is racist towards every group ...just wait and see what the arabs have for him right before elections...i wanna be the fly on the wall when he finds out...its sad but this city has no room for racism with the diversity of people that live here..GET OVER IT...

"Chauvinist".........Please Note: I am NOT male bashing at all, I did not burn my bra either---I love men! Unfortunately though some men ( some women have it too, but it is called assertiveness or she is just a plain ole' B**** !) have this trait. In the work place it is considered bad business etiquette,downright illegal, and as many couples fully realize, does not make for a nice relationship/marriage. Now....

I can speak from personal experience about his/their superiority because I was a woman who had to work with him, being the first woman in Lackawanna's history elected by the people to the City Council; so I was the only female in an all male political arena. I was an outcast from the Democrats because I won on the Republican and WF lines, so I was the brunt of many, many, many of his (the guy in question)(the ring-leader)/their jokes and mockery while I served. Not only did they not like it that I had very good ideas to save money/effect change, whatever, they ganged-up and shouted/beat me down the entire four years because I dared to question their going along with or compromising our own City Charter/Code Laws! ie. letting the Com. of Public Works live in Hamburg---refused to monitor gasoline consumption, never questioned any expenditures, etc.
My constituents got so repulsed by his/their nastiness that they stopped coming to meetings for awhile---even when he/they were publicly told how rude he/they were, he/they did not care and kept it going! I can proudly state that I always stood my ground like a lady and firmly believe everything they did to cover-up the corruption will come back to.........!

And I mean all of them, not just the one who is in that letter-------they plotted and rehearsed their schemes on how to discredit and make fun of my ideas/proposals. Why they even gave me a Citizen requested stop-sign one meeting and took it back the next! I never worked or should I say tried to work with such an unprofessional, arrogant, cunning, chauvinistic group of men in my life!
I watched them feed off each other and their tag-team snide remarks puffed their chests and heads out so big after a meeting that they had to walk single file down the hall! I am sure lots of high-fives flew around City Hall the day after they caused another Council meeting cluster f*** on Andrea!
There is so much BS flying around this City it is disgusting, He Said - She Said and the retaliation letter is a dirty poli-trick as well as the other threats. Dirty Poli-Tricks = Dirty Politicians in office when they win through suppression of the truth. Lackawanna sadly, always wins the prize for their dirty, filthy politics.

Definition:
"Chauvinist" means someone who assertively maintains that his or her kind -- usually people of the same nationality -- are superior; "chauvinism" refers to an extreme and bigoted form of patriotism. Thus, "male chauvinism" was used to refer to an attitude of male superiority or male entitlement to power over women.

[lackawanna #1]

"Chauvinist".........Please Note: I am NOT male bashing at all, I did not burn my bra either---I love men! Unfortunately though some men ( some women have it too, but it is called assertiveness or she is just a plain ole' B**** !) have this trait. In the work place it is considered bad business etiquette,downright illegal, and as many couples fully realize, does not make for a nice relationship/marriage. Now....

I can speak from personal experience about his/their superiority because I was a woman who had to work with him, being the first woman in Lackawanna's history elected by the people to the City Council; so I was the only female in an all male political arena. I was an outcast from the Democrats because I won on the Republican and WF lines, so I was the brunt of many, many, many of his (the guy in question)(the ring-leader)/their jokes and mockery while I served. Not only did they not like it that I had very good ideas to save money/effect change, whatever, they ganged-up and shouted/beat me down the entire four years because I dared to question their going along with or compromising our own City Charter/Code Laws! ie. letting the Com. of Public Works live in Hamburg---refused to monitor gasoline consumption, never questioned any expenditures, etc.
My constituents got so repulsed by his/their nastiness that they stopped coming to meetings for awhile---even when he/they were publicly told how rude he/they were, he/they did not care and kept it going! I can proudly state that I always stood my ground like a lady and firmly believe everything they did to cover-up the corruption will come back to.........!

And I mean all of them, not just the one who is in that letter-------they plotted and rehearsed their schemes on how to discredit and make fun of my ideas/proposals. Why they even gave me a Citizen requested stop-sign one meeting and took it back the next! I never worked or should I say tried to work with such an unprofessional, arrogant, cunning, chauvinistic group of men in my life!
I watched them feed off each other and their tag-team snide remarks puffed their chests and heads out so big after a meeting that they had to walk single file down the hall! I am sure lots of high-fives flew around City Hall the day after they caused another Council meeting cluster f*** on Andrea!
There is so much BS flying around this City it is disgusting, He Said - She Said and the retaliation letter is a dirty poli-trick as well as the other threats. Dirty Poli-Tricks = Dirty Politicians in office when they win through suppression of the truth. Lackawanna sadly, always wins the prize for their dirty, filthy politics.

Definition:
"Chauvinist" means someone who assertively maintains that his or her kind -- usually people of the same nationality -- are superior; "chauvinism" refers to an extreme and bigoted form of patriotism. Thus, "male chauvinism" was used to refer to an attitude of male superiority or male entitlement to power over women.

Isnt amazing how everything that happens in the worls already happened to Ms. I , I, I,I. Shut up already Andrea. Some people will do anything to smear other people, when they are weak and have no platform to run on, the try and bring the other candidates down to thier level, ask the people that he was talking to,bet they are politicians themselves, thats even if that is what was said.

[gibbsgal]

Isnt amazing how everything that happens in the worls already happened to Ms. I , I, I,I. Shut up already Andrea. Some people will do anything to smear other people, when they are weak and have no platform to run on, the try and bring the other candidates down to thier level, ask the people that he was talking to,bet they are politicians themselves, thats even if that is what was said.

Nice Lackawanna#1, who is the new member of your group? Or has someone in your over 5 under 10 gotten an education? At least 1 of you realizes what you do when you smear and have a weak platform.

[lackawanna #1]

Nice Lackawanna#1, who is the new member of your group? Or has someone in your over 5 under 10 gotten an education? At least 1 of you realizes what you do when you smear and have a weak platform.
Thanks gibs gal there is a nice bone in your body.

[lackawanna #1]

i really dont like to comment on people but this guy is something else..He is racist and i know it for a fact..He made racial slurs towards the arabs and blacks in my presence..if he really thinks that he is going to win then he is on another planet..he is racist towards every group ...just wait and see what the arabs have for him right before elections...i wanna be the fly on the wall when he finds out...its sad but this city has no room for racism with the diversity of people that live here..GET OVER IT...
Anthony cut it out!

[lackawanna #1]

Funny how Jaworski has an Italian running his campaign , Joe Schiavi 4th ward councilman and he is Italian! hmmmmmmmm

[gibbsgal]

Does Schiavi actually speak, or just roll over on command?

[getalife123]

can you say Jaworski running for mayor needing to team up with those on the outside of the current mayor
then can you say Makeyenko (School Board President) backing Jaworski
then can you say Schiavi backing Jaworski
then can you say Iafallo school board clerk APPOINTED AT THE WILL OF MAKEYENKO
then can you say Iafallo sister of Schiavi
then can you say rock and a hard place

OUCH!

[mnb811]

Since Szymanski sponsered the event and condoned Mr. Jaworski's behavior for years and even laughed right along with him doesn't this mean that Mr. Szmanski is now violating his "clean campaign pledge"? Since Geoff Szymanski is half italian and obviously is connected with those who sent the letter out I would say he is in violation. I'm not condoning anything here but maybe that is what Jaworski meant by his you people comment. All bulls#@t aside, is a "you people comment" a real issue when neither one of these incumbents have done nothing for Lackawanna in the past years they have been in office. The real issues here should be why Mr. Szymanski has been invisible as councilman for the past 6 years and never once put anything on the agenda to clean up his blight problem in the second ward. As far as Jaworski goes he has never been held accountable for all the stuff he has said to people in the past and is all talk with no action either. Both of these guys are full of political rhetoric with no accomplishments whatsoever. "You People" in the City of Lackawanna need to open your eyes and see these pied pipers for what they are do nothing incumbents who are all talk and no action! Do your self a favor hold Geoff accountable for doing nothing and not "running a clean campaign on the issues facing this city" like he said he was going to. As far as Jaworski goes just go to a council meeting see how he acts and treats people and decide if you really want a guy like him as your mayor. If you like either one of them say a prayer because Lackawanna is really really going to need that higher power!

[mnb811]

Isnt amazing how everything that happens in the worls already happened to Ms. I , I, I,I. Shut up already Andrea. Some people will do anything to smear other people, when they are weak and have no platform to run on, the try and bring the other candidates down to thier level, ask the people that he was talking to,bet they are politicians themselves, thats even if that is what was said.

Why don't you shut up. Andrea was just saying what these "clean" politicians did to her. They are not "clean" whatsoever. Furthermore your group that you are associated with is the most dirtiest,vile and rascist people I have ever met. Now you bring another "closet" one in to your fold how telling. Can't wait to see how your circle of friends retaliate.

[andreahaxton]

Isnt amazing how everything that happens in the worls already happened to Ms. I , I, I,I. Shut up already Andrea. Some people will do anything to smear other people, when they are weak and have no platform to run on, the try and bring the other candidates down to thier level, ask the people that he was talking to,bet they are politicians themselves, thats even if that is what was said.

Do you kiss your children with that mouth?
Feel better, lack 1-10? You people are sooooo funny! And,
" I " have no platform? HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa.............Ha!

Aren't YOU people always trying to bring me down by slamming my every post with, actually.........NOTHING at all really, old news and name calling.
Aren't you cool.:rolleyes:
Pick apart the facts I write about--go ahead, am " I " telling lies/smears about .....what? Please elaborate---I dare you. Plenty of eye witnesses through the years who have formed their own opinion on the family and friends gang who have further corrupted and abused OUR poor City.:mad:

I feel so sorry for all you people that lack class----no money in the world can buy it for you either.

P.S. NO negativity/slur meant to anyone at all with my use of "you people". It just fit with my response to lack1-10's waste of mega/giga/whatever it is-bytes post.
BTW:Tip, lack and company---you do not realize you smear yourselves every time you try and bring someone else down to YOUR level!

[Caz5]

What bothers me is that all the people on this blog are ADULTS, many of whom are politicians. Our youth are watching, listening, and IMMITATING us. Where do you suppose all this "cyber bullying" comes from? Where do you suppose "hate crimes" originate from? If the adults are posting this garbage on this blog, can you just imagine what is being said around the dinner table or at family backyard BBQ's after a few beers?

[getalife123]

What bothers me is that all the people on this blog are ADULTS, many of whom are politicians. Our youth are watching, listening, and IMMITATING us. Where do you suppose all this "cyber bullying" comes from? Where do you suppose "hate crimes" originate from? If the adults are posting this garbage on this blog, can you just imagine what is being said around the dinner table or at family backyard BBQ's after a few beers?

Hey Caz

I'm confused. Is holding a polititican accountable for their action "cyber bullying"? Is reminding the politicans that they work for us bullying? Would you feel disenfranishised if the same politican told you that "you and your kind at not welcomed here." What makes it even more disturbing is that the threat was made in their own home (Lake Erie ITALIAN Club) with their friends around. Beautiful just beautiful. You see hate crimes originate with the bigot. I WOULD HOPE THAT OUR YOUTH WILL NEVER TOLERATE BIGOTRY IN ANY FORM. This value is taught at home. Living under a rock and tolerating this type of behavior for years doesn't make it go away. It gets corrected when it gets confronted. We are not all politicans. Some of us are just taxpayors. We should demand more from our elected officals and not have to tolerate a threat.

[gibbsgal]

I think Caz may have been referring to certain people on here always attacking certain others....not holding Jaws accountable for his actions at the
Lake Erie Club on big band night!

[literal]

if you like either one of them say a prayer because lackawanna is really really going to need that higher power!

yes and amen to that!!!!

[Caz5]

Hey getalife123 -

Gibbsgal got my meaning. When I said "politicians," I meant POLITICIANS...the PEOPLE IN POWER. I believe that people in power should be held at a higher standard.

[getalife123]

Hey getalife123 -

Gibbsgal got my meaning. When I said "politicians," I meant POLITICIANS...the PEOPLE IN POWER. I believe that people in power should be held at a higher standard.

sorry misunderstood. I didn't think you would be ok with that kind of practice.

[buffalonymann]

The writing is on the wall, and those controlling the City of Lackawanna and the democrats know it; they're finished.

If we're going to have a City for the People, let's get McCusker in office.

We also need to clean the democrats out of our government. Even Ray Charles can see that the democrats have no desire or sense of obligation to the People of Lackawanna. The democrats use cities like Lackawanna to bolster their campaigns to run the country, and have done nothing to help the residents of Lackawanna.

For all who may be registered democrats, the democratic party is not what it was when your parents or grandparents became registered democrats. Today's democratic party ignores what is good for the People, and they take up the cause of small leftist groups, only to shore up their numbers.

Many of you probably do not know this, but one of the democrats' leftist groups is NAMBLA. What is NAMBLA? NAMBLA is "North American Man-Boy Love Association" NAMBLA wants the democrats to pass laws that make it legal for them to acquire young boys and use them as sex slaves. Surely the original democrats would never have associated with this vile group, but now the democrats are working to promote this sick groups desires!

[gibbsgal]

I knew there was something deeply seeded in my party for years and I sick to know they support this! I am changing my affiliation tomorrow! I will make sure that my family changes theirs too and vote for the Republican line in the upcoming election!

[cath829]

Just so everyone knows - I have moved the posts regarding Patrick McCusker to the thread McCusker For Mayor - they do not belong in Jaworski thread. I will be going through the rest to best situate their home.

[getalife123]

Thanks Cath it was starting to go off track.

[getalife123]

Is Jaworski still running? If so what is he running on other than stupid remarks? Is he still playing tag team with the Makeyanko group?
If he is still running why does he get a free ride? I see his political hacks attacking the other candidates while he stays in the back ground. Is that because whenever he opens his mouth he insults someone else? Inquiring minds want to know.

[lackbrokejoke]

Here's a question... Jaworski loses the primary and has no line in November... Where does he go??? What's his next move???? I think there is too much bad blood between him and Geoff to support him... Any thoughts?

[had enough yet]

Here's a question... Jaworski loses the primary and has no line in November... Where does he go??? What's his next move???? I think there is too much bad blood between him and Geoff to support him... Any thoughts?

Chuck should be on the working family line. unless dion or walt beat him out on that line. maybe the voters move to dion seeing that he has changed his vote on the land sale to the Yemenite association, wanting it to go to the second baptist church.

[literal]

[QUOTE=lackbrokejoke;779555]Here's a question... Jaworski loses the primary and has no line in November... Where does he go??? What's his next move???? I think there is too much bad blood between him and Geoff to support him... Any thoughts?[/QUOTE

He turns 62 in November and will make $1500 a month on ss which would come to the same as he gets now......]

[had enough yet]

political signs, chuck has large signs throughout lackawanna. does he not know the law or does he not care? maybe he thinks he is above the law. if the sign is larger than four square feet it cannot be a political sign. maybe he thinks 4 square feet is the same as 4 feet square!

[gibbsgal]

Scumbags pushing Jaworski, you know the ones..JM, SBS and her racist husband are pulling their typical antics and stealing Pirowski signs. Let them set one foot on my families properties. Little worried "boys"? Will prissy pants even attend the debate that is scheduled next week. Bet my life on it that she won't!

[getalife123]

political signs, chuck has large signs throughout lackawanna. does he not know the law or does he not care? maybe he thinks he is above the law. if the sign is larger than four square feet it cannot be a political sign. maybe he thinks 4 square feet is the same as 4 feet square!

Not the only mega house sign in town. It appears that SBS has a banner across her front porch causing a blight in her neighborhood. Maybe she or her husband needs the banner to find their home. Remember, "dumb is as dumb does." Who controls this type of political polution? Who holds them accountable?

[cath829]

I deleted

[mnb811]

Scumbags pushing Jaworski, you know the ones..JM, SBS and her racist husband are pulling their typical antics and stealing Pirowski signs. Let them set one foot on my families properties. Little worried "boys"? Will prissy pants even attend the debate that is scheduled next week. Bet my life on it that she won't!

Back to the little kid antics again. Good grief. These fools can't even act like adults and responsibly but want to run the council? They talk alot of smack about Hank but they are the one acting like 2 year olds. Go figure.

[hfd170]

Please get over it. Why must YOU people be so sensitive about nothing.

[Caz5]

Political thuggery. Isn't that a great word? It really describes Lackawanna politics to a "T", doesn't it? Now that the political signs are popping up like spring-time dandilions, the political thuggery has begun! The target seems to be Pirowski signs at the moment. If they haven't up and vanished overnight, they are being destroyed. The reason being...? Homeowners are being upfront and blunt about why certain signage is posted on their lawns (or not posted) and the word again is political thuggery. Yep, fear of retaliation. Fear of job loss. Fear of family and friends being harrassed. Interesting side note...heard a rumor that Sue wasn't planning to show up at next week's Council President Debate. Neither is Keith (4th Ward Council). Big, big mistake.

[LAsurvivor]

Political thuggery. Isn't that a great word? It really describes Lackawanna politics to a "T", doesn't it? Now that the political signs are popping up like spring-time dandilions, the political thuggery has begun! The target seems to be Pirowski signs at the moment. If they haven't up and vanished overnight, they are being destroyed. The reason being...? Homeowners are being upfront and blunt about why certain signage is posted on their lawns (or not posted) and the word again is political thuggery. Yep, fear of retaliation. Fear of job loss. Fear of family and friends being harrassed. Interesting side note...heard a rumor that Sue wasn't planning to show up at next week's Council President Debate. Neither is Keith (4th Ward Council). Big, big mistake.

From what I heard, the debate was scheduled BEFORE they contacted any of the candidates. Not really conducive to getting everyone in attendance!

[Caz5]

Are you hinting that the Lackawanna Chamber of Commerce is somehow involved in a conspiracy? The debate is INCONVENIENT for the candidates running for office? O.k., now we know Sue's priorities....

[getalife123]

From what I heard, the debate was scheduled BEFORE they contacted any of the candidates. Not really conducive to getting everyone in attendance!

Really, so we are to believe that a certain candidate has other commitments that preclude her from attending the most important political event in this election season. Excuse me I had to get off the floor from laughing so hard. No the reason is that the remaining candidates would eat SBS alive and spit her out. SBS does not have one original idea in her head. What has she said in her campaign that would lead anyone with a brain to think that she could think on her feet. All those wonderful things that LA #1 said about her are just a figment of their blue collar thinking. Yes as long JM says so it must be right. Which brings up the real question why didn't JM run himself. Maybe he doesn't want to get his own hands dirty. Just a thought, I know that I would never vote for this guy so why would I want this moron running a candidate. We don't need the PAY TO PLAY that happens in the school district to ALSO happen in the city.

The fact is that she is not nor never has been qualified to do anything other than be a mother/waitress/secretary oh oh oh Administrative Asst. The other fact that there is nothing wrong with those jobs just be them and be happy and get out of the race.

[lackawanna #1]

Scumbags pushing Jaworski, you know the ones..JM, SBS and her racist husband are pulling their typical antics and stealing Pirowski signs. Let them set one foot on my families properties. Little worried "boys"? Will prissy pants even attend the debate that is scheduled next week. Bet my life on it that she won't!
The only person taking down hanks signs is mother nature, seems hanky doesnt know that paper signs stapled together does sit well with water and wind. Try Again you jealous haters!

[gibbsgal]

Jealous of????????

[lackbrokejoke]

Figured SBS wouldn't show up. Her and john couldn't practice enough to get her ready for a debate. How could we elect someone to a position of Council President and over look the other 4 council members, and she can't show up for the debate? Regardless of the date it was set up, if you are running for a political office you are suppose to be out getting support. I mean honestly if you want to be elected to this position so bad what could be more important then showing up to a debate where you could really gain support and separate yourself from the other candidates. Any serious candidate would made sure they showed up to a debate. Just goes to show what a puppet for JM she is. I guess they couldn't find a ear piece for her to wear so john can tell her how to answer the questions. Just goes to show she is NOT qualified nor does she take this position serious.Maybe she could have told us the specials at mulberrys for the night... I'm just going to throw it out there and say she probably couldn't find someone to cover her waitressing shift at work. Now thats a big meatball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cath829]

I'll do her shift and babysit!!

[Caz5]

"Jealous haters" - What does that even mean?
So...the wind and rain can actually uproot the metal posts? Well, yes, if the wind and rain are in Lackawanna.
So...Geoff is 1/4th Italian on his mother's side? Giving him 1/4th advantage over the other "ski" in the mayoral race?
So...Sue Bokan can't make the City Council President debate on the 31st because she wasn't given enough advanced notice?
So...Geoff is on a billboard in a hardhat and studying blueprints....because...?
And...driving through Lackawanna really proves that politics make strange bedfellows...the political signage partners some very interesting candidates...proving, also, that the general population is very, very, VERY confused as to which candidate is running for what office.

And also proving that "political thuggery" is alive and well in our little City. Many voters are caught between that "rock and a hard place" having to decide which sign posted on their front lawn will create the LEAST pain to their friends, families or to themselves.

Do you have your score cards handy? Are you keeping track of what signs are going up on whose rental properties?

[lackawanna #1]

I'll do her shift and babysit!!

This coming from some one who doesnt/ cant hold a job and dont even watch thier own kid, really come on kath!

[mnb811]

From what I heard, the debate was scheduled BEFORE they contacted any of the candidates. Not really conducive to getting everyone in attendance!

Its part of the job description. What could be more important than the job you want to get elected to? You make room on your schedule for it. Its all about importance and priorities. Those who don't show have their priorities someplace else.

[mnb811]

"Jealous haters" - What does that even mean?
So...the wind and rain can actually uproot the metal posts? Well, yes, if the wind and rain are in Lackawanna.
So...Geoff is 1/4th Italian on his mother's side? Giving him 1/4th advantage over the other "ski" in the mayoral race?
So...Sue Bokan can't make the City Council President debate on the 31st because she wasn't given enough advanced notice?
So...Geoff is on a billboard in a hardhat and studying blueprints....because...?
And...driving through Lackawanna really proves that politics make strange bedfellows...the political signage partners some very interesting candidates...proving, also, that the general population is very, very, VERY confused as to which candidate is running for what office.

And also proving that "political thuggery" is alive and well in our little City. Many voters are caught between that "rock and a hard place" having to decide which sign posted on their front lawn will create the LEAST pain to their friends, families or to themselves.

Do you have your score cards handy? Are you keeping track of what signs are going up on whose rental properties?

I wonder if any of these rental properties registered yet? Or does that rule only apply to others?

[cath829]

All I can do is laugh at your stupidity. My child is 16- doesn't need a sitter and once
again you have forgotten that sue and david's child is my family- I know more than you when it comes to who is watching who. Their baby is only 9- she needs a sitter! As far as a job- corporate America baby!!

[andreahaxton]

This coming from some one who doesnt/ cant hold a job and dont even watch thier own kid, really come on kath!



cont.......he'll teach you something about manners, respect, and spelling! :confused:


It is " Cath-erine ", not with a "K" , obviously lack1 and company are spewing so fast that their brain can't keep up with the rest of their body.
Please stop trying to discredit someone when you have nothing else to throw at them, but,--------- stones filled with lies.:cower: Did someone say, sociopath....


I have asked and asked for some time......man-up; woman-up! Please fight fair, I know one of you know the rules in the ring, the official rules were read to them before---comprehending them is quite another story.

Who are you lack1? Time to get real about all of this. Not that I really care....but let's make this a real fair fight! OK!

[lackbrokejoke]

While driving around our city this weekend i have noticed Jaorwski has alot of lawn signs up. Seems he still has alot of support not matter what comes out of his mouth... Even in Geoff's own ward there are alot of jaworski signs everywhere...He really might have a shot of pulling this off without the endorcement.. It is going to be an interesting primary to say the least... I have also noticed alot of Geoff signs are comming down and being replaced with either Chuck Or Pat's signs.... Is Geoff really loosing support left and right or am i just seeing things????????

[getalife123]

Hey, JA WO RS KI, seen your new sign on Abbott Road. 6ft plus long, come on. Thank god its not Susan Bokan Staniszewski, hers would stretch over to the Abbott road plaza. LOL

[cath829]

I have a very important question here.... How does Chuck Jaworski as Mayoral candidate, walk in the AFL-CIO parade with his voting record as Council President, on contract awards to NON-UNION contractors for city work? Talk about being a hypocrite!!

[had enough yet]

I have a very important question here.... How does Chuck Jaworski as Mayoral candidate, walk in the AFL-CIO parade with his voting record as Council President, on contract awards to NON-UNION contractors for city work? Talk about being a hypocrite!!
too bad that wasn't pointed out while he was at the parade. the teamsterrs, operating engineers, and other union members could have had fun with that......maybe his tires on his float would have been slashed before he finished the parade.

[Caz5]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you referring to the street paving by the NON-UNION contractors?

[cath829]

You are not wrong Caz....no correction needed!

[WNYresident]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you referring to the street paving by the NON-UNION contractors?

What is wrong with having people street paving that don't belong to a union. They might have a better way of doing the work and they pass the savings onto the community.

[had enough yet]

What is wrong with having people street paving that don't belong to a union. They might have a better way of doing the work and they pass the savings onto the community.

not belonging to a union and preforming quality work is not the issue here. jaworski touts his uaw membership, has seeked out union support for his campaign, marches in the afl-cio parade. he voted to award contracts to non union companies without batting an eye. under federal law (davis-bacon, not to be confused with mavis-beacon)the wages are the same for union or non union workers. the conflict comes in when someoen wants to bring up their union membership when it is convenient, then not support unions members when it suites him. szymanski has voted teh same way, yet mentions that he is a union member. to some it is the same as being elected on a stance against gay marriage, then changing his vote to pass teh gay marriage law. it somes down to what you support or don't support. stop flipping switches, stand up for what you believe in.

[WNYresident]

It goes by bid correct? It really is not anyone's say who goes the work, union versus non-union. It's who ever can complete the bid at the price quoted correct?

[andreahaxton]

It goes by bid correct? It really is not anyone's say who goes the work, union versus non-union. It's who ever can complete the bid at the price quoted correct?


§ 43-1 Purpose.
Goods and services which are not required by law to be procured pursuant to competitive bidding must be procured in a manner so as to assure the prudent and economical use of public money , in the best interests of the taxpayers, to facilitate the acquisition of goods and services of maximum quality at the lowest possible cost under the circumstances and to guard against favoritism, improvidence, extravagance, fraud and corruption. To further these objectives, the Lackawanna City Council is adopting internal policies and procedures governing all procurements of goods and services which are not required to be made pursuant to the competitive bidding requirements of General Municipal Law § 103, or of any other general, special or local law

§ 43-6 Requests for proposals.
A.
An effective way to award contracts for some professional services is to award them only after a minimum number of professionals are contacted and asked to submit written proposals. Requests for proposals (RFPs) are traditionally used as a means of obtaining all types of professional services. RFPs are used to obtain the services of architects, engineers, accountants, underwriters, fiscal consultants, and other professionals.
B.
A request for proposals and evaluation of proposals can consider price plus other factors, like experience, staffing and suitability for needs, and may include negotiations on a fair and equal basis. The award should be the most advantageous to the City.
C.
The process involves making a request for proposals from various firms or professionals, and then evaluating the proposals received.

§ 43-11 Procurements from other than "lowest responsible dollar offerer."
A.
Anytime a purchase is made from other than the lowest responsible vendor or contractor submitting a quotation or proposal, there must be justification and documentation of the reason why the purchase was in the best interest of the City and otherwise furthers the purposes of § 104-b.

B.
For example, if a vendor submitting the lowest proposal has a history of not making deliveries on time or of delivering goods of inferior quality, such facts might be justification for taking other than the lowest offer, but such decision must be documented with facts.


§ 43-14 Guidelines for responsibility determinations.
In deliberating upon the responsibility of a bidder or a subcontractor, all contracting agencies shall give due consideration to any credible evidence or reliable information that the past or current record of a bidder or proposed subcontractor includes any of the following:

A.
Lack of adequate expertise, prior experience with comparable projects, or financial resources to perform the work of the contract or subcontract in a timely, competent and acceptable manner. Evidence of such a lack of ability to perform may include, but shall not be limited to, evidence of suspension or revocation for cause of any professional license of any director or officer, or any holder of 5% or more of the bidder's proposed subcontractor's stock or equity; failure to submit satisfactory evidence of insurance, surety bonds or financial responsibility; or a history of termination of prior contracts for cause.

B.
Criminal conduct in connection with government contracts or the conduct of business activities involving: a) the infliction, attempted infliction, or threat of death, intentional personal injury, or intentional property damage, in connection with involvement in a pattern of racketeering, labor racketeering, extortion, obstruction of justice, or other comparable crimes; b) bribery, fraud, bid-rigging, embezzlement, or other comparable crimes; or c) serious moral turpitude, fundamental lack of integrity, or knowing disregard for the law. Evidence of such conduct may include a judgment of conviction, pending criminal indictment, or formal grant of immunity in connection with a criminal prosecution, of the bidder or proposed subcontractor, any director or officer, or any holder of 5% or more of the shares or equity of the bidder or proposed subcontractor, or any affiliate of the bidder or proposed subcontractor.

C.
Grave disregard for the personal safety of employees, state personnel, or members of the public. Due consideration shall be given to whether available evidence concerning the training of employees, equipment actually in use at the work site, and company practices for identifying and addressing deficiencies and securing employee compliance, demonstrates a genuine commitment to safety or lack of same.

D.
Willful noncompliance with the prevailing wage and supplements payment requirements of the Labor Law, including consideration of any pending violations of the bidder or proposed subcontractor, or any affiliate of the bidder or proposed subcontractor.

E.
Any other significant Labor Law violations, including but not limited to child labor violations, failure to pay wages, or unemployment insurance tax delinquencies.

F.
Any significant violation of the Workers' Compensation Law, including but not limited to the failure of a bidder or proposed subcontractor to provide proof of workers' compensation or disability benefits coverage.

G.
Any criminal conduct involving violations of the Environmental Conservation Law or other federal or state environmental statutes, or repeated or significant civil violations for federal or state environmental statutes or regulations.

H.
The failure of a bidder or contractor to demonstrate good faith efforts to comply with applicable federal or state statutes and regulations requiring efforts to solicit and utilize minority-owned and women-owned business enterprises and disadvantaged business enterprises as potential subcontractors, in connection with a pending bid for the performance of a federal-aid or state funded or assisted project subject to such statutory and regulatory requirements.

I.
The failure of a bidder, contractor, or proposed subcontractor to comply with federal or state statutes or regulations requiring the hiring, training and employment of persons presumed to be disadvantaged in accordance with federal and state definitions to meet federal and state equal employment opportunity requirements.

J.
The submission of a bid which is mathematically or materially unbalanced.

K.
The submission of a bid which is so much lower than the agency's confidential engineers' estimate of the cost of, or anticipated bids for, the contract, that it appears unlikely that the bidder will be able to perform the contract satisfactorily at the price bid.

L.
Any other cause of so serious or compelling a nature that it raises questions about the present responsibility of a contractor or subcontractor, including but not limited to submission to a contracting agency of a false or misleading statement on a uniform questionnaire, or in some other form, in connection with a bid for or award of a contract or a request for approval of a subcontractor.

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Sorry it is so long......the point is that a contract, etc. does NOT always have to go to the LOWEST BIDDER, BUT, to the " Responsible Bidder ".
Do I think that the Council/CEO follows the law the way they are mandated to protect Public Funds?---ABSOLUTELY NOT! :mad::mad:

[andreahaxton]

If bids are close and one company is Union and the other non......I certainly hope they Buy American and select the Union shop company!

[WNYresident]

If bids are close and one company is Union and the other non......I certainly hope they Buy American and select the Union shop company!

This comment makes no sense.

What is wrong with the Americans that work for the company that isn't union?

Or are you pandering to "union-labor" andrea

[andreahaxton]

Not at all!
I feel Unions have caused a lot of unnecessary costs onto consumer goods---and when I worked for the County I put in a grievance over an important promotion and they never even got back to me!
There are pluses and minuses for both sides of the coin........I am more about Buy American and preserve jobs at any cost!
I would never pander for anything......Unions are good but they can cause problems too. I often wondered how much a car would really cost if there were not all the layers of union costs added on.
I am all about fair competition and I HATE it that the big shot union reps, etc. sit around in their offices and don't even have to work along with their co-workers once they get elected.
And the trips they take to Vegas, etc., when their poor co-worker is sweating away to pay their dues. Shame. Closed Shops can cause some problems too.

I just said that if there were no other factors between two good companies......that could be a determining factor.

[andreahaxton]

This comment makes no sense.

What is wrong with the Americans that work for the company that isn't union?

Or are you pandering to "union-labor" andrea




Absolutely NOTHING is wrong with " the Americans that work for a company that isn't union ", WNYresident!

I used to own a small business too and understand the outside/governmental pressures--mandates put on us quite well. We need to be protected from scammers, but the big guys have sadly ate up the little guys in our capitalistic economy. Aside from mis-management, many small businesses fold because they just can't keep up with all the regulations--fees--ect., every time they turn around. It all eats into your profit and when you are working 80+ hrs./wk and never see your family, to end up with .......not much, they are forced to close their doors. And the Walmarts march on and American jobs are lost. I hate it.
Again, I see the argument on both sides of the union--non-union coin. :indecisiveness: Thanks for letting me clarify my feelings!

[lackawanna_dude]

The residents and elected officials better be careful of what they are saying about one another, we already have more than 47 investigations going on in our little city.. 47 thats such a large number for only a city that stretches a few miles. Lets again work together, stop the discrimination and think of our children, the federal government does not take these allegations lightly especially when media gets a hold of such allegations. There will be a wake up call coming soon to all those who have caused issues within our city elections. Everyone that holds power in our city will soon hold indictments. Just a hint beware of the company you keep, you think they are helping when in fact they will destroy everything you have worked hard for. You know who you are so just some advise from someone who can forecast the future of our city.

[andreahaxton]

The residents and elected officials better be careful of what they are saying about one another, we already have more than 47 investigations going on in our little city.. 47 thats such a large number for only a city that stretches a few miles. Lets again work together, stop the discrimination and think of our children, the federal government does not take these allegations lightly especially when media gets a hold of such allegations. There will be a wake up call coming soon to all those who have caused issues within our city elections. Everyone that holds power in our city will soon hold indictments. Just a hint beware of the company you keep, you think they are helping when in fact they will destroy everything you have worked hard for. You know who you are so just some advise from someone who can forecast the future of our city.



How come all the mystery......any reason why we can't hear the facts backing up your allegations? Or do you mean suits against the City by Citizens? If something was coming/going down wouldn't it be just like a sting operation and totally confidential till sprung?
I do believe in the old quote, " keep your friends close...but your enemies closer ", so what's up? Big Brother is watching who?----The politicians and WHICH residents? :confused:

Regardless, if what you say is true.......I hope something is really up for the sake of OUR innocent bystander Citizens/Posterity who can't defend themselves against the generational, think thet're slick corrupt -------YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE People!:encouragement:


" stop the discrimination and think of our children "........"of the company you keep, you think they are helping when in fact they will destroy everything you have worked hard for"
Interesting, very interesting!:cool:
Thanks for the heads-up, Lackawanna Dude!

[had enough yet]

How come all the mystery......any reason why we can't hear the facts backing up your allegations? Or do you mean suits against the City by Citizens? If something was coming/going down wouldn't it be just like a sting operation and totally confidential till sprung?
I do believe in the old quote, " keep your friends close...but your enemies closer ", so what's up? Big Brother is watching who?----The politicians and WHICH residents? :confused:

Regardless, if what you say is true.......I hope something is really up for the sake of OUR innocent bystander Citizens/Posterity who can't defend themselves against the generational, think thet're slick corrupt -------YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE People!:encouragement:


" stop the discrimination and think of our children "........"of the company you keep, you think they are helping when in fact they will destroy everything you have worked hard for"
Interesting, very interesting!:cool:
Thanks for the heads-up, Lackawanna Dude!

it is much more fun when someone can bring out the conspiracy theory. they know the deep down secrets that the rest of the lowly aren't priveleged toknow. not until they are worthy to know the truth. although if their are not investigations going on in lackaawanna there should be.

[mnb811]

If you read the Front Page ad by Jaworski you have got to laugh. Not a career politician? Let's see:

1) Gets elected 3rd Ward Councilman more than once.

2) While still 3rd Ward Councilman runs for Council President and wins thereby vacating the 3rd Ward Council seat.

3) Now he runs for Mayor.

I am sorry but this guy must think people are STUPID! A career politician is one who moves up the ladder and Chuck that would be you and Mr. Szymanski. Since Watkins and McCusker have never ran for office THEY not YOU are NOT career politicians. Furthermore if you don't want to be a career politician serve your 2 terms then get the hell out of dodge. An example of this would be 4th Ward Councilman Schiavi. Stop spreading lies already!!!

[mnb811]

Oh I forgot Norm would be included on this "career politician list" also. Just because you didn't start running for office in your 20's doesn't make you not a career politician.

[lackawanna #1]

If you read the Front Page ad by Jaworski you have got to laugh. Not a career politician? Let's see:

1) Gets elected 3rd Ward Councilman more than once.

2) While still 3rd Ward Councilman runs for Council President and wins thereby vacating the 3rd Ward Council seat.

3) Now he runs for Mayor.

I am sorry but this guy must think people are STUPID! A career politician is one who moves up the ladder and Chuck that would be you and Mr. Szymanski. Since Watkins and McCusker have never ran for office THEY not YOU are NOT career politicians. Furthermore if you don't want to be a career politician serve your 2 terms then get the hell out of dodge. An example of this would be 4th Ward Councilman Schiavi. Stop spreading lies already!!!

How about Andrea, now your going to tell us she is not a career politician, she ran twenty times and won once, accomplished absolutely nothing, now running again, let me guess your only a career politician if you actually win right?

[andreahaxton]

How about Andrea, now your going to tell us she is not a career politician, she ran twenty times and won once, accomplished absolutely nothing, now running again, let me guess your only a career politician if you actually win right?
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What is a career politician?

Question asked by: knowitall--------(On Computer/I did NOT write that----but I love it!)

A career politician is what most modern politicians are.

They are people who enter politics because it pays well and is seen as a gravy train rather than through any great passion or love for politics or a set of principles that they radically believe in.

The career politician will blow in the wind and change their mind on key issues and follow the party line shamelessly.

They see politics as a good way of making money and of course the expenses and the knock on benefits are tremendous.

There are very few conviction or issue politicians left, and this is one of the main differences between politicians today and in the past where many entered politics because they cared and wanted to make a real difference and almost did it as an altruistic act




I have/am accomplishing more than I could ever imagine.........by just telling the truth!:)

[mnb811]

How about Andrea, now your going to tell us she is not a career politician, she ran twenty times and won once, accomplished absolutely nothing, now running again, let me guess your only a career politician if you actually win right?

Yeah if you win then run again and again moving up the ladder. Are you really that freaking dense?

[had enough yet]

OMG. I know someone that got 4 envelopes in the mail today from the jaworski/ bokan camp. all the same contents. chuckie says he doesn't have money for billboards. how much extra did they spend by not scrubbing the list for duplicates. and they say they can be fiscally responsible. in the infamous words of lackawanna#1 hahahahahahahahahaha!

[andreahaxton]

OMG. I know someone that got 4 envelopes in the mail today from the jaworski/ bokan camp. all the same contents. chuckie says he doesn't have money for billboards. how much extra did they spend by not scrubbing the list for duplicates. and they say they can be fiscally responsible. in the infamous words of lackawanna#1 hahahahahahahahahaha!

I know someone who got a phone call.....said No Thanks, and got called again within 5 minutes! Is it a computer or a live person?

Seniors do NOT like to be bothered when they are "watching their shows", don't they know this? And they are sharp as a tack, if they wanted to talk---they would have talked.
I found flyer's in the street and saw many signs in the garbage already....what a waste of money. Shame.