When I came home !!!! Our Vets !!

[gonerail]

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When I Came Home is a documentary film about homeless veterans in America: from those who served in Vietnam to those returning from the current war in Iraq. The film looks at the challenges faced by returning combat veterans and the battle many must fight to receive their benefits from the Veterans Administration.

Through the story of Herold Noel, a homeless Iraq war veteran suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and living out of his car in Brooklyn, the film reveals a failing system and the veteran’s struggle to survive after returning from the war. When I Came Home follows Herold’s battle with homelessness and PTSD as he tries to get help from the VA, city agencies, and various veterans organizations.

With temperatures dropping in New York, Herold meets fellow vet Paul Rieckhoff, founder of the country’s largest Iraq veteran advocacy organization. What follows is a media blitz that transforms the young, homeless veteran into the leader of a new movement.
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http://www.whenicamehome.com/

[Dumbfounded]

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When I Came Home is a documentary film about homeless veterans in America: from those who served in Vietnam to those returning from the current war in Iraq. The film looks at the challenges faced by returning combat veterans and the battle many must fight to receive their benefits from the Veterans Administration.

Through the story of Herold Noel, a homeless Iraq war veteran suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and living out of his car in Brooklyn, the film reveals a failing system and the veteran’s struggle to survive after returning from the war. When I Came Home follows Herold’s battle with homelessness and PTSD as he tries to get help from the VA, city agencies, and various veterans organizations.

With temperatures dropping in New York, Herold meets fellow vet Paul Rieckhoff, founder of the country’s largest Iraq veteran advocacy organization. What follows is a media blitz that transforms the young, homeless veteran into the leader of a new movement.
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http://www.whenicamehome.com/


I heard that filthy animal Bill O' Reilly is going to "prove" that there isn't an epidemic of homeless veterans or that he simply dismissed it as a "lie" or "rumor" which has INFURIATED veteran's groups.

Ugly irony: Two draft dodgers, Bush & Cheney who are directly responsible for the plight of homeless veterans;Suicidal, untreated for a host of diseases, physical and/or mental, begging for benefits, programs cut, marriges destroyed, limbs and minds ripped to shreds, all in the name of "business"

Slowly dying from depleted Uranium related illnesses from bullets to bombs in Iraq (and the Persian Gulf "Conflict")

All so the corporations can make a few extra billion.


"The best country in the world" is NOT one which abandons its veterans and active duty personel (our troops in Iraq are in both hell and purgatory)

[Riven37]

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When I Came Home is a documentary film about homeless veterans in America: from those who served in Vietnam to those returning from the current war in Iraq. The film looks at the challenges faced by returning combat veterans and the battle many must fight to receive their benefits from the Veterans Administration.

Through the story of Herold Noel, a homeless Iraq war veteran suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and living out of his car in Brooklyn, the film reveals a failing system and the veteran’s struggle to survive after returning from the war. When I Came Home follows Herold’s battle with homelessness and PTSD as he tries to get help from the VA, city agencies, and various veterans organizations.

With temperatures dropping in New York, Herold meets fellow vet Paul Rieckhoff, founder of the country’s largest Iraq veteran advocacy organization. What follows is a media blitz that transforms the young, homeless veteran into the leader of a new movement.
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http://www.whenicamehome.com/


I worked in this field for the VA for many years, and yes this issues has always been a problem however, there are other factors that create homelessness in combat, and non combat veterans such as drug use, alcohol use, divorce, and the newest issue is gang related. I myself was homeless more time I like to remember how ever, it is a reality...so when people like Bill Riley he is only seeking something other then the truth. Within the next upcoming months and by next year more, and more vets will be homeless as our economy become worst through higher rise in cost.

[FisherRd]

O'Reilly was calling John Edwards and his "two americas" out. Edwards tried to use the Vets to promote his two americas idea and O'Reilly was simply holding him accountable (not that I consider correcting a politician as holding them accountable, but...).

The vets aren't homeless because of the economy (paraphrasing O'Reilly), they are mostly homeless because of addiction and mental illness. That's what O'Reilly's point was and Edwards convinced the fools that O'Reilly was attacking vets.

It's really much ado about nothing, unless you're a liberal sheep, then you must hate O'Reilly and that evil Fox News channel...


Where is the liberal shep outage over the NY Times article (about vets and homicide)that impugns veterans? No outrage over the fact that the article was a Veteran Hit-piece? Yeah, I didn't think so.

[raoul duke]

You don't need to be a "sheep" to see O'Reilly as the POS that he is. Critical thinking is all thats really required.

[FisherRd]

You don't need to be a "sheep" to see O'Reilly as the POS that he is. Critical thinking is all thats really required.


Critical thinking seems to be a missing element in liberal sheep, hence the need to explain things such as O'Reilly's take on the homeless vets and the article in the NY Times regarding Vets and murders.

[BuffaloEMT14216]

You know what I love about guys like O'Reilly and Sean Hannity. They are warhawks, yet neither SERVED a day in their life to the armed forces.
So how can you moan about others that didn't serve, yet you didn't either?
O'Reilly is roughly Vietnam Era age, where was he?
Oh, but they have gone to Afghanistan and Iraq and visited troops.
Big men they are, big men indeed.

[raoul duke]

Critical thinking seems to be a missing element in liberal sheep, hence the need to explain things such as O'Reilly's take on the homeless vets and the article in the NY Times regarding Vets and murders.
*sigh*

[FisherRd]

You know what I love about guys like O'Reilly and Sean Hannity. They are warhawks, yet neither SERVED a day in their life to the armed forces.
So how can you moan about others that didn't serve, yet you didn't either?
O'Reilly is roughly Vietnam Era age, where was he?
Oh, but they have gone to Afghanistan and Iraq and visited troops.
Big men they are, big men indeed.


It seems that the people that bitch the most about non-vets are non-vets. It's something I'll never understand.

At the very least though they may have made some kids day by visiting a war zone, which is more than most quasi-celebs do (even if it was to toot their own horns).


Raoul,
Don't *sigh*, try explaining what it is you disagree with.
Do you disagree with my assertion that the NYT's impugned the troops purposefully?
Do you deny that O'Reilly is correct? He's a giant blowhard, and he's a giant self promoter, but he hit the nail on the head in this instance. He's got Edwards pegged, and that's why Edwards and the lib sheep are distorting the truth about the homeless vets scenario (see Dumbcompounded's post).

[raoul duke]

Raoul,
Don't *sigh*, try explaining what it is you disagree with.
Do you disagree with my assertion that the NYT's impugned the troops purposefully?
Do you deny that O'Reilly is correct? He's a giant blowhard, and he's a giant self promoter, but he hit the nail on the head in this instance. He's got Edwards pegged, and that's why Edwards and the lib sheep are distorting the truth about the homeless vets scenario (see Dumbcompounded's post).
I disagree with your overly simplistic view that anyone who dares not to see the World According to FisherRd™ is somehow a sheep. Is O'Reilly correct? I could care less. The guy's opinion is worthless. Why do other noted blowhards get summarily dismissed, yet that demogogic fool doesn't?

[FisherRd]

I disagree with your overly simplistic view that anyone who dares not to see the World According to FisherRd™ is somehow a sheep. Is O'Reilly correct? I could care less. The guy's opinion is worthless. Why do other noted blowhards get summarily dismissed, yet that demogogic fool doesn't?


You are reading too much in to what I'm saying. I didn't say "all liberals" are sheep, just the ones parroting the version of the story that Edwards provided. I am also not proud of being in the position to defend O'Reilly. It just so happens in this instance that O'Reilly is right.

I believe what you're/we're seeing is the faux hysteria that we like to show when we feel "teh troops" are being slighted. It's easy to turn what O'Reilly said as a slight to the troops, but instead what he said is factually correct.
Edwards tried using them (troops) to score political points in his 2 Americas rhetoric and blamed the economy on the number of homeless vets. O'Reilly stated (and some Vet Defense lady agreed with) that they are homeless due to addiction and mental illness (PTSD's and the like), not because of the economy. That's pretty much it.

If he was wrong I would have cared less.

[FisherRd]

I disagree with your overly simplistic view that anyone who dares not to see the World According to FisherRd™ is somehow a sheep.

I had to cut my previous response short so I'll continue...

I believe as though you and your overly simplistic view that "liberal sheep" encompassd all liberals is what led to your taking issue with my post. I have no problem with liberals in general (yeah sure, it's fun to aggressively disagree, but on the whole you believe what you do and I believe what I do...usually just differences of opinion based off of how we interpret the same material). It's the "sheep" (which come in both Conservatives and Liberals) that I was addressing. I've got no dog in the O'Reilly hunt. He just happens to be right this time around so I waded in and pointed out a poster I saw parroting a factually incorrect talking point. I saw the video clip of what Bill said in response to Edwards original "2 Americas/Homeless vets", and I saw the clip of what Edwards claimed he said. They couldn't have been any diffferent.

Have a good weekend.

[granpabob]

when I got out I was homeless for a couple of years. because I wanted to run free . I worked just enough to feed my self. a roof cost to much . my 65 impala was my home. it was not Viet Nam drugs or beer just a lazy 20 something looking for freedom. my time in the service was just 4 years out of 60 the other 56 years I messed up all by my self. and would do it all again

[Dumbfounded]

One veteran's burning desire to be free of society's restraints
Is another veteran's untreated mental illness.

Most homeless vets are mentally ill, never having received the treatment they needed to function "normally" in society again after witnessing nightmares most of will be fortunate enough never to see and hear.

With V.A. hospitals & programs being closed, many veterans fighting for their benefits and a mainstream media that basically ignores the homeless vet crisis, its not a big "shock" that there are so many homeless veterans, treated like S
when they should be treated like the heroes they are.




Its a basic decency issue and what's really repulsive is how so many of us have "support the troop" magnet stickers on our cars as we pass homeless vets while driving every damned day



ONE sign that this ISN'T the "best country in the world" anymore is:

When we have so many homeless veterans wandering the streets, addicted to hard drugs and alcohol, freezing and ignored (by most Americans)


And if the homeless veterans crisis was a creation of the "powerful liberal media,"

that "liberal media" would actually do their best to inform the public and get the message across that our veterans are wandering the streets, untreated, discarded like trash after the government was done with them.




But the well-paid talking heads underplay/understate and often deny the severity of our homeless vet's bleak day-to-day struggle to just stay alive in the country they swore to defend with their lives;More ugly "irony"

It would make the U.S. government look "cruel" and "incompetent" and we can NEVER have that now can we?

[Riven37]

One veteran's burning desire to be free of society's restraints
Is another veteran's untreated mental illness.

Most homeless vets are mentally ill, never having received the treatment they needed to function "normally" in society again after witnessing nightmares most of will be fortunate enough never to see and hear.
With V.A. hospitals & programs being closed, many veterans fighting for their benefits and a mainstream media that basically ignores the homeless vet crisis, its not a big "shock" that there are so many homeless veterans, treated like S
when they should be treated like the heroes they are.




Its a basic decency issue and what's really repulsive is how so many of us have "support the troop" magnet stickers on our cars as we pass homeless vets while driving every damned day



ONE sign that this ISN'T the "best country in the world" anymore is:

When we have so many homeless veterans wandering the streets, addicted to hard drugs and alcohol, freezing and ignored (by most Americans)


And if the homeless veterans crisis was a creation of the "powerful liberal media,"

that "liberal media" would actually do their best to inform the public and get the message across that our veterans are wandering the streets, untreated, discarded like trash after the government was done with them.




But the well-paid talking heads underplay/understate and often deny the severity of our homeless vet's bleak day-to-day struggle to just stay alive in the country they swore to defend with their lives;More ugly "irony"

It would make the U.S. government look "cruel" and "incompetent" and we can NEVER have that now can we?

Can you expand on your statement I underlined...please, because I was homeless for 2 years, and the only mental illness I have is my country sent me to a WAR and I came home messed up where I will never be who I once was ever again.

If you think depression is a problem then I am mentally ill...If you think my PTSD sever is a problem then I am mentally ill..

If you think my war experience is my mental illness..Then I am convicted of nothing...

If you think my agent orange exposure is my illness then I guess all the world wars are my problem.

So, given me why I am mentally ill..because most people don't know what mental illness really is.