Is this offensive?

[mesue]

Is this offensive?
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[leftWNYbecauseofBS]

NBC is going to get some heat for blocking this.

[therising]

Someone please fill me in on this, because I don't possibly see how it could be offensive.

[mesue]

NBC is going to get some heat for blocking this.
As well they should. hate Bush as much as you want.
Hate this war as much as you want.
Hate this web site as much as you want.
Don't take it out on the men and women that fight for our right to hate.
A "Thank you" is too much for NBC?

[mesue]

Someone please fill me in on this, because I don't possibly see how it could be offensive.
NBC refuses to play this ad. It isn't even a free ad. They just flat out refuse.

[Timmy]

hey I think Bush sucks
didnt agree with his tax cuts
didnt agree with Patriot Act 1 or 2
didnt agree with Afghanistan or Iraq
dont agree with Iran
dont agree with our Israeli policy
disliked rumsfelt and cheney

but I wont trash our troops or my fellow americans or our nation. Im anti-bush but im not anti-US. In fact, if anything I am a louder and bigger fighter for our national sovereignty in trade, the world court, the UN, foreign policy, etc than I ever have because I think a big reason Bush has been allowed to be so bad is because we are being convinced to care about the world more than we are being convinced to care about our own country.

[S.Walters]

It's a great ad nothing wrong with it.Bush lied just to get our troops in there.Lucky they found out Iran has no nukes or Bush would have troops going in.I will never vote for a repub.because of Bush....

[mesue]

It's a great ad nothing wrong with it.Bush lied just to get our troops in there.Lucky they found out Iran has no nukes or Bush would have troops going in.I will never vote for a repub.because of Bush....
Yeah, they found out from a disgruntled CIA member who flipped his stance. Didn't Seymour Hersh say 6 months ago that Iran and N Korea were our biggest threats?

[huh]

http://www.freedomswatch.org/Issues/tabid/94/Default.aspx

[huh]

would like to know who the corporate sponsors are

[My2cents]

Every day we are reminded of the sacrifices that our sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, husbands and wives are making for this country. I my self have never served in the military and that is one of the biggest regrets I have. I now do my part to protect our citizens. Regardless of political motives they serve us and should have the full support of the citizenry. God bless and I am forever indebted for their service.

[raoul duke]

Funny how a group (Freedom's Watch) comprised of some of the people that got us into or advocated for the disaster known as the Iraq War™ are now the same people trying to make us think this useless loss of life is somehow noble (well. . . maybe not that funny.) The worthless Democratic candidate from the 2004 election cycle made a very salient point (which I will modify) when he was a whole lot younger: "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die in ? How do you ask a man to be the last man [I]to die for a mistake?"

[Timmy]

Funny how a group (Freedom's Watch) comprised of some of the people that got us into or advocated for the disaster known as the Iraq War™ are now the same people trying to make us think this useless loss of life is somehow noble (well. . . maybe not that funny.) The worthless Democratic candidate from the 2004 election cycle made a very salient point (which I will modify) when he was a whole lot younger: "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die in ? How do you ask a man to be the last man [I]to die for a mistake?"

unfortunately....thats when you join the services...your life is subject and sacrificed to the mistakes and follies of the elites from elected representatives that make the declaration of war to the sargents enforcing the troops

which is all the more reason why we need to blame the boss and not the employee (blame president, congress, senate and not the troops)

[mikewrona]

Is this offensive?
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If you really supported the troops you'd bring them home.

I guess the reason why you don't want them home is because you support the President's foreign policy.

By the way? Where's Osama bin Laden? Wasn't he the one who destroyed the World Trade Center towers?


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Pretty funny President isn't he? And you are worried about NBC.

[mesue]

If you really supported the troops you'd bring them home.
It is not with in my power to do anything with the troops, except tp pray for them.
I guess the reason why you don't want them home is because you support the President's foreign policy.
You make it sound as of the President is acting alone here. He really isn't.

By the way? ?
Where's Osama bin Laden?
I dunno.
Wasn't he the one who destroyed the World Trade Center towers?
He is the leader of the group that destroyed the Twin Towers, the USS Cole, the World Trade Center. It's okay with you that we get attacked. I suppose by your standards we should allow this to happen and not protect ourselves. I suppose by your standards we should not be proactive in protecting our country. My standards aren't so cowardly.
You questions were not the point of the thread. Back to the OP. Do you think this video is offensive? So offensive that NBC refuses to play it?
FWIW
NBC gave Al Gore 45 minutes of FREE air time to spew his Global Warming propaganda and Freedom's Watch is paying for these ads to be aired.

[buffy]

Global Warming propaganda?

[mikewrona]

You questions were not the point of the thread. Back to the OP. Do you think this video is offensive? So offensive that NBC refuses to play it?
FWIW
NBC gave Al Gore 45 minutes of FREE air time to spew his Global Warming propaganda and Freedom's Watch is paying for these ads to be aired.

If you were even remotely honest in your concern regarding support for the troops, you'd be posting how offensive it is to keep them in Iraq in light of the facts the President lied about why they should be there, while letting the murderer get away.

Your reference to Gore is stupid and has nothing to do with the war in Iraq
and your support of it.

[leftWNYbecauseofBS]

If you were even remotely honest in your concern regarding support for the troops, you'd be posting how offensive it is to keep them in Iraq in light of the facts the President lied about why they should be there, while letting the murderer get away.

Your reference to Gore is stupid and has nothing to do with the war in Iraq
and your support of it.


Meuse no need to worry about Mikey. No matter what people say everything bad in his life or view of this world is the result of some Conservative or Republican.

Do not mind that he derailed a simple topic about supporting troops with his anti Bush agenda...

Look Mikey, we all get that Bush is a tool. I am pretty sure it is hard for anyone to find someone who 100% supports him. This does not excuse the lack of action from Democrats who are supporting his agenda in one way or another. Everything and Everyone in Washington is the problem. Not just one guy who live in the White House.

It is comical that you are unable to critique anyone who is a Democrat. The more this goes on the more I feel I am right in my prediction that you honestly feel you will get elected to some type of office and these comments could hurt you.

[mesue]

Global Warming propaganda?
yes
http://www.speakupwny.com/forums/showthread.php?p=273834#post273834

[mesue]

If you were even remotely honest in your concern regarding support for the troops, you'd be posting how offensive it is to keep them in Iraq in light of the facts the President lied about why they should be there, while letting the murderer get away.

Your reference to Gore is stupid and has nothing to do with the war in Iraq
and your support of it.
Yes, it does, when you consider how lopsided they are in their political stance.
Did you know you can debate without calling anything "stupid" I thought you were a teacher?

[TheRightView]

You questions were not the point of the thread. Back to the OP. Do you think this video is offensive? So offensive that NBC refuses to play it?

2/3 of it I do not really find offensive....except..how come they didn't do it last year or every year since it was formed? As for as I know during the holiday season every affliliate allows our servicemen and women to send their greetings back home through their channel. If it is altuistic as you'd like it to be...why attach any name to it as if they are the only ones who support our troops..like the rest of us don't(I'm offended because I do support the troops and admire them and respect their sacrifice). Why broadcast it only to us when the servicemen and women need to hear more than we do? It seems self serving at best...a look how holy I am and how patriotic I am type of thing to the general public. Why not spend the money on getting it on all the cable stations to reach more instead of just a few single ones.

[run4it]

Can someone please show the explanation NBC gave for not airing the spot? It would be nice to see both sides of the story before whining and pointing fingers...

[speaker]

It's backed by a political party who would have these soldiers stay over there indefinitely. Get their limbs blown off, give up their lives. They're hypocrites.

It's not the message, it's the messenger.

[mesue]

Can someone please show the explanation NBC gave for not airing the spot? ...
You would need to ask NBC directly, I suppose.

[therising]

You would need to ask NBC directly, I suppose.

So you know that they won't run it. Yet you don't know why?

[buffy]

I voted yes.

It's offensive to me b/c it uses the troops as bait for my sympathy.
You know what else offense me? Every time a WNYer comes home from active duty (I know it's a thankful time for the family) the News gives them a hero's homecoming.

Must support war, must support war...must suppose woes

[Mary3]

It's backed by a political party who would have these soldiers stay over there indefinitely. Get their limbs blown off, give up their lives. They're hypocrites.

It's not the message, it's the messenger.


I agree with you.

People who hide behind the flag need help.

This war is a farce and all the deaths of our soldiers for this war breaks my heart. The veterans hospital in Buffalo is doing the best they can. Seeing the young broken soldiers in the hospital was hard to take. I give them so much credit for their sheer will to get stronger.

[mesue]

So you know that they won't run it. Yet you don't know why? Because they don't agree with the politics?
because being nice and saying thank you is unheard of from them?
I Dunno. I just think their hatred of Bush is very misplaced here.

[TheRightView]

Because they don't agree with the politics?
because being nice and saying thank you is unheard of from them?
I Dunno. I just think their hatred of Bush is very misplaced here.
Nice to see you avoided my response.:eek: :rolleyes:

[speaker]

Mesue ignores anything that may disprove her case:

"..NBC Rejects Ad From Conservative Group
Dec. 7, 2007, 8:27 PM EST

NBC has rejected an advertisement that asks viewers to remember and thank U.S. troops during the holiday season because it refers to the sponsor's Web site, which the network said was too political.

The ad is part of a seven-figure newspaper and television campaign by Freedom's Watch, a conservative group that supports administration policy in Iraq.

NBC said it declined the ad, not because of its message, but because it invites viewers to go to Freedom's Watch's Web site, which advocates support for the war. NBC has a policy against airing controversial issue ads.

"Anybody in the world who would look at this ad would come away with nothing other than 'we should be thankful for their service,'" Freedom's Watch president Bradley Blakeman said.

The ads are to run on CNN and Fox News Channel and are running in various newspapers. The New York Times ran a full-page Freedom's Watch ad Friday that said "Thank You!" and depicted a soldier reading a letter. The newspaper ad also contained the Web site address.

Alan Wurtzel, NBC's head of standards and practices, said the network decided not to run the Freedom's Watch ad because the group insisted that the spot contain the URL address of its Web site.

The group's home page links to another Freedom's Watch Web page that lists nonprofit organizations that are sending care packages to soldiers and that suggests other ways of expressing support.

It also contains a welcoming message that states: "For too long, conservatives have lacked a permanent political presence to do battle with the radical special interests groups and their left-wing allies in government."

"We have a policy that prohibits acceptance of advertising that deals with issues of public controversy," Wurtzel said.

(Story Continues On Next Page...)..."

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=287632&affid=100055

[FisherRd]

So I assume NBC refuses to air any ad placed by MoveOn.org as well? Didn't Kitty Kelly get plenty of airtime on "Today" during the 04 election but "Today" didn't give any airtime to the Swiftboat Vets? Is it coincidence that the most liberal cable "news" channel is part of NBC?

I didn't watch the video, but from the responses am I to assume that the only troops to be thanked this holiday season are those that are in Iraq? **** those sons a bitches that are in Afghanistan or not currently deployed to a war zone right guys? All of you "support the troops" clowns that can't wait to crap on Iraq some how forget about the other 900,000 or so troops stationed all over the world, many actively engaged in combat missions or in combat zones. Yeah, you support the troops alright.

[run4it]

Gee...imagine that. The part disbursed through the internet leaves out the introduction which includes a partisan attack.

NBC's policy is their policy. If you can show where they allowed a similar advertisement for a different group, then we have a conversation. I have a feeling you won't find one though.

If FreedomWatch really wanted to just thank the troops, the would have just removed their web address like NBC asked them to. They're in it for their own gratification, not to thank the troops.

[FisherRd]

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/12/08/nbc-double-standard-today-show-aired-antiwar-ad-moveon-org

I typed NBC MoveOn into the google bar and this was the first link.

I know it's like giving a Media MAtters link to a conservative, but it is what it is.
Maybe NBC's policy changed in the 2 years since it aired the MoveOn ad, maybe it didn't.

[mesue]

Mesue ignores anything that may disprove her case:
...
and this makes me soooooo different from anyone else :rolleyes:

[mesue]

The OP question was "Is this video offensive"
Why else would any TV station put their foot down and not air a commercial? It is neither pro or con the war. It merely says thank you.
I just found it odd, and disconcerting, that CNN would take the advertising money and NBC wouldn't. Does NBC not like their conservative TV viewers? Does NBC hate soldiers?

[speaker]

The OP question was "Is this video offensive"
Why else would any TV station put their foot down and not air a commercial? It is neither pro or con the war. It merely says thank you.
I just found it odd, and disconcerting, that CNN would take the advertising money and NBC wouldn't. Does NBC not like their conservative TV viewers? Does NBC hate soldiers?


If Freedomwatch had wanted to print this message anonymously then I think there would have been no problem.

The message was a very nice thing, but can you imagine the servicemen reading it and then seeing who it's from?

This, to me, is nothing better than the terrorists who strap dynamite on their young all the while telling them it's for Allah and they will be rewarded.

[FisherRd]

Nobody ever accused you of having perspective.

[mesue]

...
This, to me, is nothing better than the terrorists who strap dynamite on their young all the while telling them it's for Allah and they will be rewarded.
Hmmm .... Let's see ...
right side of the scale
Thank you Soldiers
left side of the scale
Lets kill people in the name of Allah

yeah ... that's pretty balanced ...

[speaker]

Hmmm .... Let's see ...
right side of the scale
Thank you Soldiers
left side of the scale
Lets kill people in the name of Allah

yeah ... that's pretty balanced ...



It's the messenger and not the message!!:rolleyes:

[mesue]

It's the messenger and not the message!!:rolleyes:
Oo-oh, okay.

[speaker]

Oo-oh, okay. You don't seem to catch the meaning of what I'm saying.

[mikewrona]

[QUOTE=mesue]Where's Osama bin Laden?

I dunno. (UNBELIEVABLE)
Wasn't he the one who destroyed the World Trade Center towers? (YES HE WAS - HE AND THE ATTACKERS WERE FROM SAUDI ARABIA- NOT IRAQ)

He is the leader of the group that destroyed the Twin Towers, the USS Cole, the World Trade Center. (again - yes he was. HE AND THE ATTACKERS WERE FROM SAUDI ARABIA AND NOT IRAQ)

It's okay with you that we get attacked (BY OSAMA BIN LADEN WHO WAS FROM SAUDI ARABIA NOT IRAQ, AND IS HIDING IN THE AFGHAN/PAKISTAN BORDER MOUNTAINS NOT IRAQ) .

I suppose by your standards we should allow this to happen and not protect ourselves. (YOU ATTACKED THE WRONG PEOPLE - AND YOU DON'T CARE)

I suppose by your standards we should not be proactive in protecting our country. (BY MY STANDARDS, AFTER LIVING THROUGH THE COLD WAR AND THE DANGER OF NUCLEAR WAR VERSUS RUSSIA AND CHINA, A COUNTY 10 TIMES SMALLER THAN US IS NOT A THREAT TO US- BY YOUR STANDARDS - YOU ARE AFRAID OF EVERYONE)

My standards aren't so cowardly. (NO YOU ARE THE COWARD. IRAQ IS 10 TIME SMALLER THAN US AND YOU ATTACKED IT. IT NEVER ATTACKED US AND NEVER HAD THE ABILITY TO ATTACK US, AND NEVER HAD WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.) [Quote]

I don't think you have the slightest bit of understanding of what you are talking about.

[mesue]

You don't seem to catch the meaning of what I'm saying.
Then, please, do clarify ...

[FisherRd]

Wrona and the other empty heads seem to think the only place we have boots on the ground is Iraq...

Bush Derangement Syndrome.

[mesue]

Then, please, do clarify ...
or don't ... that's okay. I don't want to start anything. You have your points of view, I have mine. Sometime we agree (we to too! :p ) sometimes we don't agree. It's all good. :)

[bflonum1fan]

The poll, while maybe not scientific has only 2 out of 17 that think this is offensive.

I personally like the video.

[bflonum1fan]

Buffy subtley asks :
Global Warming propaganda? This issue is so polarizing that it is almost impossible to have any intelligent conversations about it any more.

There are so many people trying to ram it down our throats and brainwashing our kids that it makes me sick.

[TheRightView]

The OP question was "Is this video offensive"
Why else would any TV station put their foot down and not air a commercial? It is neither pro or con the war. It merely says thank you.
I just found it odd, and disconcerting, that CNN would take the advertising money and NBC wouldn't. Does NBC not like their conservative TV viewers? Does NBC hate soldiers?
Does the NY Post hate facts?
I think they do.
They refuse to post a page ad regarding impeachible offenses about the president...this is certainly newsworthy, but won't they run it...are they against democracy...which in turn makes them troop haters because that is supposedly why our troops are dying in Iraq.

[bflonum1fan]

RightView says :
Does the NY Post hate facts?
I think they do.
You should stick to hockey !

[FisherRd]

Does the NY Post hate facts?
I think they do.
They refuse to post a page ad regarding impeachible offenses about the president...this is certainly newsworthy, but won't they run it...are they against democracy...which in turn makes them troop haters because that is supposedly why our troops are dying in Iraq.


What are you babbling about? Open a window, I think your stove may be leaking.

[mikewrona]

Does the NY Post hate facts?
I think they do.
They refuse to post a page ad regarding impeachible offenses about the president...this is certainly newsworthy, but won't they run it...are they against democracy...which in turn makes them troop haters because that is supposedly why our troops are dying in Iraq.

Bastard Liberal Media!! :rolleyes:

[TheRightView]

RightView says :
You should stick to hockey !
That's good, change the subject when I post something that you don't agree with.:rolleyes:

[TheRightView]

What are you babbling about? Open a window, I think your stove may be leaking.
When you can't prove me wrong...bash me because you know I'm right.:rolleyes: :eek: :p

[mesue]

Does the NY Post hate facts?
I think they do.
They refuse to post a page ad regarding impeachible offenses about the president...this is certainly newsworthy, but won't they run it...are they against democracy...which in turn makes them troop haters because that is supposedly why our troops are dying in Iraq.
apparently they found the ad offensive. If it's okay for NBC, then it must be okay for the NY Post, right?

[TheRightView]

apparently they found the ad offensive. If it's okay for NBC, then it must be okay for the NY Post, right?
ahh..way to avoid this issue about facts...it wasn't an ad as much as a paid commentary.

[mesue]

ahh..way to avoid this issue about facts...it wasn't an ad as much as a paid commentary.
oh, now there's a difference?

[TheRightView]

oh, now there's a difference?
ads are different than facts....unless you take all ads as facts..if so then there are a lot of stuff on tv to make you rich.

[mesue]

ads are different than facts....unless you take all ads as facts..if so then there are a lot of stuff on tv to make you rich.
the video was an ad.

[granpabob]

freedom watch is also anti union anti illegal alien . the link to their sight promotes these and many other idea the network might not agree with. this ad seems to have been blocked because they did not want to promote the freedom watch group

[CAugust]

I voted yes.

It's offensive to me b/c it uses the troops as bait for my sympathy.
You know what else offense me? Every time a WNYer comes home from active duty (I know it's a thankful time for the family) the News gives them a hero's homecoming.

Must support war, must support war...must suppose woes


It's not about supporting the war, its about supporting the men and women over there who are in this situation. Sympathy?? How about information to those who dont have it? Should they have it? yes, but they dont, they just dont...........................

You are a heartless person in regard to this, I hope none of your family have to go and fight and come home and do not get honored when they return. I cant even beleive someone would post something like this.