Blacks held in Slavery up until 1961(omg)

[Bringthetruth]

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I just got finished reading about this and did some research myself to make sure it was true - and true it is.
I always knew slavery continued following the formal abolition during the Civil War. Some have said it continued in some areas 20-30 years afterward, into the 20th century.
Enter the Wall family. They were enslaved until 1961. Yes, read that again - 1961.
There are so many people (race deflectors) that argue that slavery has no effect on today’s society, which is crap of course. However, what will some of those people say about this family that was actually enslaved until 1961?
I first found out about Cain Wall and his family via the blog entry, They Didn’t Get The Memo That Slavery Was Over, which recounted the story told in the March issue of People Magazine.
So I got the original article from People Magazine.
Just, wow.
In the article, the family visits the land that they were enslaved on for so long. Mae Miller is one of Cain Wall’s children (he is was born in 1902). From People:
The story that Miller, 63, and her relatives tell is a sepia-toned nightmare straight out of the Old South. For years, she says, the family was forced to pick cotton, clean house and milk cows—all without being paid—under threat of whippings, rape and even death. They say they were passed from white family to white family, their condition never improving, until finally, hope that life would ever get better was nearly lost. Technically, the Walls were victims of “peonage,” an illegal practice that flourished in the rural South after slavery was abolished in 1865 and lasted, in isolated cases like theirs, until as recently as the 1960s. Under peonage, blacks were forced to work off debts, real or imagined, with free labor under the same types of violent coercion as slavery. In contrast with the more common arrangement known as sharecropping, peons weren’t paid and couldn’t move from the land without permission. “White people had the power to hold blacks down, and they weren’t afraid to use it—and they were brutal,” says Pete Daniel, a historian at the Smithsonian Institution and an expert on peonage.

“We didn’t think what was happening was wrong, we didn’t think it was right. It was just the way things were” —MAE MILLER
The article goes on to say that the Wall family story came out as a result of the efforts of a New Jersey lawyer - Deadria Farmer-Paellmann. In 2001, she began her research to aid the fight for reparations against corporations that profited from slavery.
“They didn’t know blacks were free, that’s what’s so incredible about their story. They thought freedom was for whites only.” - Farmer-Paellmann
The family was isolated, they had no electricity, phone, or radio, and were forbidden to leave to see relatives.


Cain Wall escaped during World War 2 but within two hours he was picked up by white men saying they would take him to a recruiting office, instead, they took him back to the farm.
While working for another family, the Walls finally got their freedom. Mae Miller, at the time she was 18, refused to clean the house. The owner threatened to kill her and she ran away. The owner was furious and kicked them off the farm.
Miller eventually married and found out she could not have kids as a result of the rapes:
The most crippling violence began when Mae was about 5. She vividly remembers the morning she and her mother went to the Gordon home to clean it. They were met by two men—faces she recognized. One tugged on Mae’s long hair, she recalls. She tried to hide in her mother’s skirt, but he grabbed her and pushed her to the floor. Both she and her mother were raped that morning. “I remember a white woman there saying, ‘Oh no, not her, she’s just a yearling,’” Mae says. “But they just kept on and on.” Mae says her mother begged the men to spare her daughter, and a white women cleaned her up after the attack. That was the first of numerous times she was raped, she says. “They told me, ‘If you go down there and tell Ol’ Cain, we will kill him before the morning.’ I knew there wasn’t anyone who could help me.”

People contacted the living members of the Gordon family:
Durwood Gordon, 63, a retired propane truck driver now living in McComb, Miss., recalls the family worked for his uncle Willie, a dairy farmer who died in the ’50s, and cousin William Gordon, who was 84 when he died in 1991. “I just remember [Cain Sr.] was a jolly type, smiling every time I saw him,” says Durwood, who was younger than 12 when the Walls worked there. To him, the rape charge is unbelievable. “No way, knowing my uncle the way I do,” Durwood says. “I knew him to be good people, good folks, Christian.”

The KKK say they are Christian also…
“We were beaten everywhere—legs, arm, backsides, head. Baby, Lord have mercy, it was bad, bad days” —CAIN WALL JR.
Her family never spoke about their ordeal until 2001 when Miller attended what she thought was a lecture on Black History. From People:
Mae finally broke the family’s silence in 2001 when she attended what she thought was a public lecture on black history. In fact, the church meeting was about the slavery reparations campaign. Incredibly, it was only then that the family learned their life on the white-owned farms had been illegal. “I couldn’t believe it. How could somebody do that to another person?” wonders Mae, her voice bitter. In 2003 they joined a suit that is slowly moving through U.S. District Court in Illinois. But for Mae, the distant possibility of winning compensation for her family’s struggle is only one reason to share her history. “I’m really just glad this story is out there,” she says. “It might bring some shame to the family, but it’s not a big dark secret anymore. It’s out there, and it’s not hounding me anymore.”

This story is absolutely amazing. In my digging before reading the actual People Magazine article, I looked up the census records on Ancestry.com (yep, I got the free 14 day trial just for this lol).
I also found the below ABC video on YouTube discussing the reparations issue and the Wall family’s enslavement.
Just sitting here thinking about this story still amazes me. I would love to link to the original article on People’s website, however, it isn’t there.

[Sock Puppet]

Free gifts from the government! It's like Christmas.
Reparations Clause is on his way!!!
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BTW, I am not a slavery effect denier. I just insist that I and the people that represent me in this democracy should not be held accountable. We had nothing to do with slavery or Jim Crow.

NEWS FLASH! Every white person alive in the USA today never owned a slave. But somehow whites should accept responsibility for a small percent of the population (which included blacks as slave owners)100 years ago?

Get bent dude.

[run4it]

Apparently Strom Thurmond actually got his wish...

[Dr Funky]

NEWS FLASH! Every white person alive in the USA today never owned a slave. But somehow whites should accept responsibility for a small percent of the population (which included blacks as slave owners)100 years ago?

Get bent dude.

Apparently you didnt watch the video....

[Sock Puppet]

Apparently you didnt watch the video....
Apparently you didn't watch the video. This whole story is unconfirmed. This could never be a race hoax by black people? Right?
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[CSense]

Hmm, unsubstantiated (ABC Reporter announced) video of two women supposedly in their 80's but look no more than 60.

So what are you looking for BTT, reparation? Were you a slave?

[mesue]

Apparently you didn't watch the video. This whole story is unconfirmed. This could never be a race hoax by black people? Right?
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That's what I was thinking. I'm sorry, I'm just not buying it.
Had you told me it was 1890, I mighta' bought it. But 1960? 100 years after the Civil War? 5 years after Rosa Parks refused to go to the back of the bus? Nope, not buying it.

[mesue]

... NEWS FLASH! Every white person alive in the USA today never owned a slave. But somehow whites should accept responsibility for a small percent of the population (which included blacks as slave owners)100 years ago?
...
My grandma from Italy, had no slaves. My grandma from Poland, had no slaves. Not all white people are descendants of slave owners. Like not all black people are descendants of slaves.

[CSense]

My grandma from Italy, had no slaves. My grandma from Poland, had no slaves. Not all white people are descendants of slave owners. Like not all black people are descendants of slaves.

My parents, grandparents, great grandparents which all lived in America had no slaves. Going back to Europe they had no slaves that I am aware of, do I get a free pass from reparation?

[Timmy]

for many african americans, in many ways they will be slaves for many more generations

one only has to look at things like poverty, education, (speach, reading, writing, mathmatics, science) government assistance, addiction, crime, blame, anger, single mothers, absent fathers, etc etc etc

all of the above are legacies of the slave mind

all the above ills are ills within the african american community and they are much more serious than prejudice or racism outside the community. Whites, asians, hispanics, etc...are mostly ambivalent meaning they arent racism and its they just dont see african american issues as race only. For example a poverty issue is a poverty issue...its not an african american poverty issue.

and reparations dont work....if reparations did work then the advantages of voting rights, educational preferences, quotas, discrimination laws and government transfer payments to minority poor would have solved the problem in the last 40 years...BUT JUST AS MORE MONEY DOESNT PRODUCE BETTER SCHOOLS....REPARATIONS WILL NOT FIX THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY FROM THEIR INTERNAL SOCIAL ILLS.

[CSense]

.BUT JUST AS MORE MONEY DOESNT PRODUCE BETTER SCHOOLS....REPARATIONS WILL NOT FIX THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY FROM THEIR INTERNAL SOCIAL ILLS.

Lets give them a one time settlement and get rid of all the programs (quotas, affirmative action, etc). Then they can blame themselves instead of whitey.

[unioncop]

So what are you looking for BTT, reparation? Were you a slave?are you kidding he is still a slave

[CSense]

are you kidding he is still a slave

He's a slave to his anti white thoughts

[FisherRd]

Lets give them a one time settlement and get rid of all the programs (quotas, affirmative action, etc). Then they can blame themselves instead of whitey.


Look up the Dave Chappelle skit that dealt with the aftermath of reparations.

"I'm riiich beoth!"

The one dude bought a tractor tractor full of Kools with his money. Another became the richest man in the world from taking the other black peoples money in dice games.

[speaker]

BTT, as long as black people characterize themselves as victims, they'll never get to enjoy the equality they long for. Because they are self defeating as long as they expect others to pull them out.

They need to do this themselves, and more money or special breaks are not going to change that mind set.

None of us here have ever owned slaves, and probably our grandparents didn't, either. Many of us here faced hardship and isolation and worked hard until it all came together for us.

If anyone in that black family let themselves be slaves, with all of the media out there, the civil rights movements of the 60's, then I have to say that's the way this family let it flow. There is no place that rural in USA.

Black Africans who live in the heart of Africa know more than that.

[CSense]

Look up the Dave Chappelle skit that dealt with the aftermath of reparations.

"I'm riiich beoth!"

The one dude bought a tractor tractor full of Kools with his money. Another became the richest man in the world from taking the other black peoples money in dice games.


I laughed my ass off!

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[mesue]

My parents, grandparents, great grandparents which all lived in America had no slaves. Going back to Europe they had no slaves that I am aware of, do I get a free pass from reparation?
No, they're your tax dollars too.

[mesue]

BTT, as long as black people characterize themselves as victims, they'll never get to enjoy the equality they long for. Because they are self defeating as long as they expect others to pull them out.

They need to do this themselves, and more money or special breaks are not going to change that mind set.

None of us here have ever owned slaves, and probably our grandparents didn't, either. Many of us here faced hardship and isolation and worked hard until it all came together for us.

If anyone in that black family let themselves be slaves, with all of the media out there, the civil rights movements of the 60's, then I have to say that's the way this family let it flow. There is no place that rural in USA.

Black Africans who live in the heart of Africa know more than that.http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/icon_super.gif

[CSense]

No, they're your tax dollars too.

Damn it! I'm moving to Canada.

[mesue]

Damn it! I'm moving to Canada.
You'll pay even more in taxes.

[Dr Funky]

LOL @ people on here coming up with every excuse in the book to justify modern day slavery.....

[Dr Funky]

Look up the Dave Chappelle skit that dealt with the aftermath of reparations.

"I'm riiich beoth!"

The one dude bought a tractor tractor full of Kools with his money. Another became the richest man in the world from taking the other black peoples money in dice games.


And it boosted sales all across the country.....

[speaker]

LOL @ people on here coming up with every excuse in the book to justify modern day slavery.....

:confused: Funky, you undermine the whole black cause. I think I've mentioned this to you before.

You started out with 'how sexy black girls are' I thought the object was to make them less of a sex object.

Now you try and tell us that a white family kept a black family enslaved, one hundred and forty years after the emacipation proclamation.

Surrounded by radio, tv, and if they could read it, books and newspapers.
Aside from the grapevine. Slaves were notorious for having a grapevine.

Please don't say they never saw or heard any of these things, ever.

But let's imagine this story is true.

One white family did this and one black family never bothered for 140 years to find out the truth.

How does this balance out against all of the positive things that have happened? And do we posters approve of a white family enslaving a black family? Have you bothered to find out?

You and BBT are full of hooey.

[Dr Funky]

:confused: Funky, you undermine the whole black cause. I think I've mentioned this to you before.

You started out with 'how sexy black girls are' I thought the object was to make them less of a sex object.

Now you try and tell us that a white family kept a black family enslaved, one hundred and forty years after the emacipation proclamation.

Surrounded by radio, tv, and if they could read it, books and newspapers.
Aside from the grapevine. Slaves were notorious for having a grapevine.

Please don't say they never saw or heard any of these things, ever.

But let's imagine this story is true.

One white family did this and one black family never bothered for 140 years to find out the truth.

How does this balance out against all of the positive things that have happened? And do we posters approve of a white family enslaving a black family? Have you bothered to find out?

You and BBT are full of hooey.


What the hell does saying "Im attracted to black girls" have anything to do with someone saying "black girls are sex toys?"

And Ive seen this story before. They were in a remote section of the south. No TV, no radio. Nothing. And the whites lied to them their entire lives to keep them there.

Ever hear of Elizabeth Smart? She knew who her real parents were and where she was from and her kidnappers were STILL able to brainwash her into thinking they were her parents.

These people were born into their situation and taught to believe there was no other way to live than their way. Compile that with the fact they were in the middle of nowhere.


If this story were to happen in Atlanta Georgia I would say bull****.


But Bumf-ck Mississippi or wherever it was. I'm gonna say illegal slavery and brainwashing.....

[huh]

With a little research youll see there is more slavery in the world today than there ever was.

[Velvet Fog]

Look up the Dave Chappelle skit that dealt with the aftermath of reparations.

"I'm riiich beoth!"

The one dude bought a tractor tractor full of Kools with his money. Another became the richest man in the world from taking the other black peoples money in dice games.
That was a great episode---I peed myself during that one!

[CSense]

With a little research youll see there is more slavery in the world today than there ever was.

Like where, Africa?

[steven]

Case documents can be found at: www.onestudent.us (http://www.onestudent.us)

Footage from the original case can be found at:

http://video.wtnh.com/news/2002/mar/clips/03262002-slave.ram

[Bringthetruth]

Case documents can be found at: www.onestudent.us (http://www.onestudent.us)

Footage from the original case can be found at:

http://video.wtnh.com/news/2002/mar/clips/03262002-slave.ram

What you are posting is just another atrocity done to african americans.

The topic at hand is about one family THE WALLS Family.

Technically, the Walls were victims of “peonage,” an illegal practice that flourished in the rural South after slavery was abolished in 1865 and lasted, in isolated cases like theirs, until as recently as the 1960s.


Under peonage, blacks were forcedto work off debts, real or imagined, with free labor under the same types of violent coercion as slavery.


In contrast with the more common arrangement known as sharecropping, peons weren’t paid and couldn’t move from the land without permission.

“White people had the power to hold blacks down, and they weren’t afraid to use it—and they were brutal,” says Pete Daniel, a historian at the Smithsonian Institution and an expert on peonage.


The family was isolated, they had no electricity, phone, or radio, and were forbidden to leave to see relatives.

Some of you are just hateful not to see how cruel this really was.

[Bringthetruth]

If this was a movie you would need every ounce of your suspension of disbelief for the movie to maintain its integrity. Buried on the last two pages of March's edition of People's Magazine is the most incredible story that only occurs in countries where lawlessness runs rampant. Meet the Wall family who claimed they were held in slavery until 1961. Slavery which was abolished in 1865 continued in a tiny rural town in Mississippi. This tiny town in Gillsburg, Mississippi was void of electricity, phone, or radio, and trips into town were forbidden for the Walls. The Wall family had no idea that they were free even though Black families in nearby Liberty, Miss., owned businesses and attended school.

Cain Wall Sr. was born in 1902 into peonage in St. Helena Parish, La. He worked the fields and milked cows for white families while believing he had no rights as a man. Peonage is a system where one is bound to service for payment of a debt. It was an illegal system that flourished in the rural South after slavery was abolished. Mr. Cain was born into this system believing that he was bound to these people that held him and his relatives captive. Being unable to read and write also stifled any opportunity that may have presented itself to the Mr. Cain because he was unable to decipher anything. During World War II, Mr. Cain decided to runaway, but eventually was captured and brought back into slavery.

Mr. Cain's daughter Mae Miller remembered some of the most violent details of their time in captivity. She recalled the beatings that her father and members of her family received. According to People Magazine they were beaten with whips or even chains for slacking off. In the Magazine Mae's older sister who is now 65 years old stated, "The whip would wrap around your body and knock you down." Mae also recalled how once her father was beaten so badly that she and her siblings climbed on his body to protect him. For Mae Miller the most violent of crimes happened when she was five years old. In the Magazine she vividly remembered one day going to clean the house with her mom, and being accosted by two white males who raped her and her mother. She remembered a woman from the Gordon family which held them as slaves yelling to the two white males to leave her alone because she was only a yearling. That did not deter these two devils because they continued to rape a five year old, totally destroying this young woman's soul. Years later Mae was told that she would be unable to have kids because of the damage done to her.

Mae found freedom in 1961 when she ran away at the age of 18 after refusing to do the chores. In People Magazine she stated, "I don't know what got into me. I remember thinking they're just going to have to kill me today, because I'm not doing this anymore." After she ran away her family was kicked off the land by the Gordon family. Mae found work in a restaurant and eventually got married at the age of 20 to Wallace Miller. It was also during this time that Mae found out she could not have kids. However, she and her husband adopted four children. Mae went uneducated until in her late thirties when she learned to read and write. The most amazing thing to me was that after all those years Mae and her family did not realize that their captivity was illegal until 2001. People Magazine claims she attended a church meeting about slave reparations, and it was during this time she realized that what happened to her and her family was totally illegal. According to People she stated, "I couldn't believe it. How could somebody do that to another person?"

[Bringthetruth]

I have membership at Ancestry.com and I looked at the census records for Cain Wall, Sr. in 1920 and 1930. In 1920, Mr. Wall was 17 years old and lived with his parents, John and Melissa Wall and 6 siblings in St. Helena Parish, Louisiana. His father was 46 at the time so he would have been born around 1874. His parents were listed as farmers. The record says that all in the household could read and write and had education, but with census records, it all depended on who answered the door at the time. Whites were known to give information for the Blacks living on their property, and it was not common for blacks to be able to read and write and have education in 1920. I should also note that at this time the Walls were living smack in the middle of white families. There were only two other other black families on the page.

By 1930, Cain Wall, Sr. was married to Lela Wall and they lived in St. Helena Parish but the other Wall family members were not in the immediate area.

I found Cain Wall, Sr's father, John Wall as a 3 year old in St. Helena on the 1880 Census. He had an older brother (age 13) named Cain-- it appears Mr. Cain Wall, Sr. was named after his uncle. Even in 1880, the Walls were living amoung all white families, there were no other blacks on two pages of census records-- meaning no blacks were in the immediate area but them. I believe the Walls' story.

Here is one other hook: In 1880 the Walls were surrounded by the following white families-- Ard, Strickland, Alford, Smith, Bond, Goldmans, and White. In 1920 the Walls were surrounded by the following white families-- Smith, Williams, Needham, Strickland (all white Stricklands and one Black Strickland who was 62 years old-- born in 1856-- before the end of slavery), and Melton. The Smiths and Stricklands were the only white families who were on the land in both 1880 and 40 years later in 1920.

In 1930, Cain Wall, Sr. and his wife Lela were living amongst guess who-- the Smiths, the Needhams, and the Stricklands. All of the other Walls were not in the area. So for 50 years that I can see, the Walls were just as isolated as they claim.

[Effigy]

In 1930, Cain Wall, Sr. and his wife Lela were living amongst guess who-- the Smiths, the Needhams, and the Stricklands. All of the other Walls were not in the area. So for 50 years that I can see, the Walls were just as isolated as they claim.

OK - in Dollars and Cents, how much do I owe you and your friends? And then, if I decide to pay, you will go away, right? I'm guilty in your estimation, afterall. I just want to make you Happy and have you go away and stop bothering me, as long as I make you Happy. What will it take?

Name your damn price. I'll pay it if you will just go away. If you just stick around to be a PITA, you will get NOTHING BUT DERISION, which is all that you deserve. Poor You!

[Effigy]

OK - in Dollars and Cents, how much do I owe you and your friends? And then, if I decide to pay, you will go away, right? I'm guilty in your estimation, afterall. I just want to make you Happy and have you go away and stop bothering me, as long as I make you Happy. What will it take?

Name your damn price. I'll pay it if you will just go away. If you just stick around to be a PITA, you will get NOTHING BUT DERISION, which is all that you deserve. Poor You!

I (Effigy) am as personally responsible for your (Bringthetruths) misery as you are for mine. I don't innundate this site with accusatory posts, though. Get over it.

[Bringthetruth]

Mae found freedom in 1961 when she ran away at the age of 18 after refusing to do the chores. In People Magazine she stated, "I don't know what got into me. I remember thinking they're just going to have to kill me today, because I'm not doing this anymore." After she ran away her family was kicked off the land by the Gordon family. Mae found work in a restaurant and eventually got married at the age of 20 to Wallace Miller. It was also during this time that Mae found out she could not have kids because of the rapes she indured as a child.


THIS IS HORRIBLE!

[speaker]

If this was a movie you would need every ounce of your suspension of disbelief for the movie to maintain its integrity. Buried on the last two pages of March's edition of People's Magazine is the most incredible story that only occurs in countries where lawlessness runs rampant. Meet the Wall family who claimed they were held in slavery until 1961. Slavery which was abolished in 1865 continued in a tiny rural town in Mississippi. This tiny town in Gillsburg, Mississippi was void of electricity, phone, or radio, and trips into town were forbidden for the Walls. The Wall family had no idea that they were free even though Black families in nearby Liberty, Miss., owned businesses and attended school.

Cain Wall Sr. was born in 1902 into peonage in St. Helena Parish, La. He worked the fields and milked cows for white families while believing he had no rights as a man. Peonage is a system where one is bound to service for payment of a debt. It was an illegal system that flourished in the rural South after slavery was abolished. Mr. Cain was born into this system believing that he was bound to these people that held him and his relatives captive. Being unable to read and write also stifled any opportunity that may have presented itself to the Mr. Cain because he was unable to decipher anything. During World War II, Mr. Cain decided to runaway, but eventually was captured and brought back into slavery.

Mr. Cain's daughter Mae Miller remembered some of the most violent details of their time in captivity. She recalled the beatings that her father and members of her family received. According to People Magazine they were beaten with whips or even chains for slacking off. In the Magazine Mae's older sister who is now 65 years old stated, "The whip would wrap around your body and knock you down." Mae also recalled how once her father was beaten so badly that she and her siblings climbed on his body to protect him. For Mae Miller the most violent of crimes happened when she was five years old. In the Magazine she vividly remembered one day going to clean the house with her mom, and being accosted by two white males who raped her and her mother. She remembered a woman from the Gordon family which held them as slaves yelling to the two white males to leave her alone because she was only a yearling. That did not deter these two devils because they continued to rape a five year old, totally destroying this young woman's soul. Years later Mae was told that she would be unable to have kids because of the damage done to her.

Mae found freedom in 1961 when she ran away at the age of 18 after refusing to do the chores. In People Magazine she stated, "I don't know what got into me. I remember thinking they're just going to have to kill me today, because I'm not doing this anymore." After she ran away her family was kicked off the land by the Gordon family. Mae found work in a restaurant and eventually got married at the age of 20 to Wallace Miller. It was also during this time that Mae found out she could not have kids. However, she and her husband adopted four children. Mae went uneducated until in her late thirties when she learned to read and write. The most amazing thing to me was that after all those years Mae and her family did not realize that their captivity was illegal until 2001. People Magazine claims she attended a church meeting about slave reparations, and it was during this time she realized that what happened to her and her family was totally illegal. According to People she stated, "I couldn't believe it. How could somebody do that to another person?"

And Mae never came back to save her people? In the 60's, when all the civil rights movements burst into the headlines. She never realized until the 1990's that blacks were free? Something doesn't smell right, here, BBT.

[Linda_D]

What you are posting is just another atrocity done to african americans.

The topic at hand is about one family THE WALLS Family.

Technically, the Walls were victims of “peonage,” an illegal practice that flourished in the rural South after slavery was abolished in 1865 and lasted, in isolated cases like theirs, until as recently as the 1960s.


Under peonage, blacks were forcedto work off debts, real or imagined, with free labor under the same types of violent coercion as slavery.


In contrast with the more common arrangement known as sharecropping, peons weren’t paid and couldn’t move from the land without permission.

“White people had the power to hold blacks down, and they weren’t afraid to use it—and they were brutal,” says Pete Daniel, a historian at the Smithsonian Institution and an expert on peonage.


The family was isolated, they had no electricity, phone, or radio, and were forbidden to leave to see relatives.

Some of you are just hateful not to see how cruel this really was.

The bogus part of this tale is what you've bolded. If this family truly didn't know that they weren't "slaves", how did they know that they had relatives? I'm serious.

Life for black Americans in rural Mississippi was indeed backwards and brutal before and beyond the 1960s. It's entirely possible that this white family did hold the Wall family in peonage, possibly for generations, over some minor debt. However, to make the claim that the family didn't know they weren't slaves just doesn't wash. This family wasn't isolated from other blacks for an entire century; otherwise, they wouldn't have made it to the 1960s. Even without modern communications, that word-of-mouth news about the Little Rock school riots, the Montgomery bus boycott, and the numerous civil rights marches didn't spread through the rural black communities in Mississippi suspends belief. Try to use your brain.

What you have in this video is people forty years after the fact making unsubstaniated claims about things that can't be proven in order to get sympathy and support for their cause.

[Bringthetruth]

[QUOTE=Linda_D]The bogus part of this tale is what you've bolded. If this family truly didn't know that they weren't "slaves", how did they know that they had relatives? I'm serious.

QUOTE]

What are you saying^ "if they didn't know they weren't slaves?

When they were younger they knew they had relatives , why is that so difficult to understand


You have no idea how easy it was to control ones thinking and lives back then.

Go buy this documentary if you don't know how devastating this was mentally.


http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/unchained_memories/

Linda if I knew you I would let you borrow it

[CSense]

What are you saying^ "if they didn't know they weren't slaves?

When they were younger they knew they had relatives , why is that so difficult to understand


You have no idea how easy it was to control ones thinking and lives back then.

Go buy this documentary if you don't know how devastating this was mentally.


http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/unchained_memories/

Linda if I knew you I would let you borrow it

You are loco. Get a grip on life, go see a shrink.

[Linda_D]

[quote=Linda_D]The bogus part of this tale is what you've bolded. If this family truly didn't know that they weren't "slaves", how did they know that they had relatives? I'm serious.

QUOTE]

What are you saying^ "if they didn't know they weren't slaves?

When they were younger they knew they had relatives , why is that so difficult to understand


You have no idea how easy it was to control ones thinking and lives back then.

Go buy this documentary if you don't know how devastating this was mentally.


http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/unchained_memories/

Linda if I knew you I would let you borrow it

Your entire premise is that these people were so isolated that they didn't know that slavery ended nearly a hundred years before. So, if they were held in bondage and tied to this farm, how did they explain that other black people -- including some of members of this same family since they were relatives -- obviously weren't? If they were all slaves, their relatives would also be tied to the same farm or one nearby, and that's not the way it was -- by their own admission.

Again, I'm not saying that these people weren't exploited and brutalized. What I am saying is that the claims that they were held in slavery and didn't know any better is not plausible. Between WW I and the 1970s, millions of blacks left the rural South for the cities of the Northeast, Midwest, and the West Coast because they'd had enough of the hardship and mistreatment. Just as almost everybody in the Northeast has a relative, friend or acquaintance who's moved to the Carolinas in the last twenty years, so it was with blacks in the rural South, including Mississippi: just about everybody had a relative, friend or acquaintance who had moved "up North" or "out West".

[CSense]

Your entire premise is that these people were so isolated that they didn't know that slavery ended nearly a hundred years before. So, if they were held in bondage and tied to this farm, how did they explain that other black people -- including some of members of this same family since they were relatives -- obviously weren't? If they were all slaves, their relatives would also be tied to the same farm or one nearby, and that's not the way it was -- by their own admission.

Again, I'm not saying that these people weren't exploited and brutalized. What I am saying is that the claims that they were held in slavery and didn't know any better is not plausible. Between WW I and the 1970s, millions of blacks left the rural South for the cities of the Northeast, Midwest, and the West Coast because they'd had enough of the hardship and mistreatment. Just as almost everybody in the Northeast has a relative, friend or acquaintance who's moved to the Carolinas in the last twenty years, so it was with blacks in the rural South, including Mississippi: just about everybody had a relative, friend or acquaintance who had moved "up North" or "out West".

BTT does not care how many holes you put into his story, he's gonna stick by his mis information. Just the way this guy is built.