On the constitution and ammendments

[qu1nn]

Some basics on how power has been taken from the states via ammendments and taken by the federal government, and how this transfer of power may not be a good thing.


Audio Show ( 1st hour ) (http://mediadownload.soundwaves2000.com/rliberty/mp3/102507b.mp3)

qu1nn

[qu1nn]

holy revisionist history batman....anyone see anything funky about the 13th Amendment ?

http://www.amendment-13.org/images/echoes_pub.jpg
http://www.amendment-13.org/images/echoes_tona.jpg

if you think that a single book can be errant, check pictures here (http://www.amendment-13.org/privatepubl.html)



Before you go off the deep end just listen with an open mind to first few minutes (time reference stamp approximately 3:30 minutes to 12 minutes into the show) Constitution Class (http://www.archive.org/stream/Michael_Badnarik/Michael_Badnarik_ConstitutionClass_Part6_64kb.mp4)

Then plow through this site HERE (http://www.amendment-13.org/)
Below is an exerpt of the introductory bold text from the link:

On March 12, 1819 the State of Virginia, with the enactment and publication of the laws of Virginia, became the 13th and FINAL state required to ratify the above article of amendment to the Constitution For The United States, thus making it the Law Of The Land. With the enactment of Act No. 280, March 12, 1819, which was Voted, En Bloc, and publication of the Revised Code, the State of Virginia notified the Department of State, the Congress, the Library of Congress, and the President of their action by issuing to each a copy of the Laws of Virginia. [See VA 1819 Images]

This Article of Amendment is intimately connected to questions of war and national defense. It is designed to combat internal subversion and discord sowed by people who are adhering to powers foreign to the Congress of the United States without stepping across the bold Constitutional line of treason. The authors of the TONA wrote it after some additional experience with how the British Empire, as well as other European nations, actually conduct their affairs. It is a corrective and supplemental measure to go along with Constitutional treason.

This Article of Amendment added an enforceable strict penalty, i.e., inability to hold office and loss of citizenship, for violations of the already existing constitutional prohibition in Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 on titles of nobility and other conflicts of citizenship interest, such as accepting emoluments of any kind for services or favors rendered or to be rendered, and is particularly applicable today in the 21st Century as government is increasingly FOR SALE to the highest bidder, as foreign and multinational corporations and individuals compete to line the pockets of politicians and political parties to accommodate and purchase protection or privilege, i.e. honors, for their special interests.

In terms familiar to the common man, this might quite properly be called the use of bribes and graft by individuals and powers foreign, i.e. external, to the Congress of the United States to subvert the constitutional process and suborn our political system and the interests of WE THE PEOPLE.




sounds like reinforcing THIS amendment could be a solution to allot of todays issues...


I supposed that this is just another one of them conspiracies ....right???

qu1nn

William Cooper:
"I do not advise you what you should believe or not believe, but I do advise you that we all need to learn as much as we can about everything that we can, because one thing that I have learned in my life is that most of what we have ever been taught has been a lie" ....

[mesue]

cool site! http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/icon_super.gif
how'd we lose sight of this?

[run4it]

Worry.....qu1nny....you've got 2 problems here:

1) No evidence that Virginia ever acctually ratified it, and in fact had outright rejected the amendment in 1811http://www.thirdamendment.com/missing.html

2) In 1819, (when Virginia supposedly ratified the Amendment, making it part of the Constitution), 21 states had been admitted to the Union. As we all know (or will know once we recheck our handy pocket Constitutions) it takes 3/4 of the states ratifying an Amendment to make it a valid part of the Constitution. Now 3/4 of 21 is....(calculator check) 15.25. So at least 15 states would have had to ratify it by 1819. Considering that VA would have been the 13th state to ratify at that point, it still would have been short the required number of states to ratify.

Sorry Qu1nny...this is not, nor has it ever been, and Amendment, nor has there ever been a conspiracy to quash it.

Incidentally, here's a quick explanation of how it was erroneously published:

The most prominent inclusion of TONA as part of the Constitution was its appearance in the 1815 edition of United States Statutes at Large (the "Bioren edition) . . . Although its appearance in the Bioren edition has been described as already an anachronism,(68) a new edition of Statutes at Large was not authorized until 1845.(69) TONA could be--and was--easily transcribed into other publications, thus perpetuating the erroneous belief that the amendment had become part of the Constitution. The most prolific of those publications--both in terms of impact and distribution--is said to have been textbooks,(70) but many official state and territorial publications, as well as the press, also legitimated TONA.(71)

ibid.

[run4it]

But now that I've managed to quell the conspiracy angle, I'm more than happy to talk about why an amendment prohibiting titles or pensions from foreign governments is so prescient today. Considering it's already in the Constitution to begin with:

(ArtI,Sec9)No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state

It looks to me like the proposed Amendment would only have taken away the possibility of Congressional approval (which never happened anyway) and prescribed punishment (which could have been done by normal legislative process).