Changes for West Seneca, you want

[wnyfuture]

Now the Empire has fallen, what changes would you like to see occur during the next four years and beyond in the Town of West Seneca. (In no particular order)

1.) I would like to see anti-nepotism policy adopted
2.) I would like to see non-fraternization policy adopted
3.) Consolidate the Youth Bureau, Recreation and Senior Citizens into one department
4.) All bids must be advertised in the Buffalo News, Rochester D&C
5.) Re-zone the school district. Why is the school district being stretched to the apartments near the McKinley Mall and parts of the town of West Seneca are in another school district? Why is re-hab/detention center sending their kids to West Seneca.
6.) Move the DMV to another location
7.) Seneca Mall Site Clean Up, Attract Businesses to the area
8.) Knock down the ice rink, put up a new police station
9.) Build Brand New Town Hall, Senior Center, Library, and Kiwanis into one building, over time we would save tons of money.
10.) Clean up Harlem Skate Park, Protect our Green Space!

[HarpGirl]

1.A safe place where our young adults can go and hang out with their friends without having to walk the streets---in addition to the ICE RINK and KAWANIS (Sp) Center DANCES, perhaps a sophisticated boys and girls club....

A shopping district where you can walk and shop eat and be entertained----IN ADDITION to the Southgate. I love southgate but let's face it, that is it as far as more than one store in close proximity. I'm picturing a village type setting where you can park at one end, walk up one side and down another and spend hours.

CLEAN UP that stretch of Seneca/Ridge Road from the old (mostly vacant) Tops to the old seneca mall---and that plaza on the opposite of Ridge Road from Home Depot----it needs **something**

Maybe we could have a movie theatre again, or someplace to shop for non food household necessities---like a Target which is nicer than Walmart and KMart----those stores really suck!

Anything else I can think of I'll let you know.

[Psycho1]

There are a number of items that need to be addressed in this Town. It's a matter of making WS a business friendly community again. The new administration has a large job ahead of them.
They first need to deal with the organizational structure of town government. That will entail really upsetting the apple cart, but with any change, people will get upset. We need people with passion, knowledge, and drive, not those with big wallets.
They're going to need to push for cleanup of the vacant residential and business properties, and limit speculative building. That may come with passing local laws tougher than the current county and state laws. Bill Cyprynski (sp?) will have to get off his fat ass and work for a change, unless they replace him.;)
Hopefully, the open government, that they promised, will come to fruition giving us a better idea of what's going on.
But, in order for the change to truly occur, more people need to attend the meetings and let them know we hold them accountable.

[Pumpkinhead]

1. Lower or maintain current taxes
2. Protect the border areas - Cheektowaga, South Buffalo
3. Protect the green space
4. Revitalize Seneca Mall, Ridge Road, Gardenville, Southgate/Town Center
5. Adopt some building standards that make developers use nicer designs to create a town/village look

[BigGuy]

You people ae mouthing a lot of generalities here. "More business friendly"; "lower taxes"; clean up Ridge Road and borde areas"; etc.

How about some specifics for the new trio on the Town Board?

Among the appointed positions, who stays and who goes? If some go, who replaces them?

More info and ideas, please! Anyone can spout BS.

[wnyfuture]

You people ae mouthing a lot of generalities here. "More business friendly"; "lower taxes"; clean up Ridge Road and borde areas"; etc.

How about some specifics for the new trio on the Town Board?

Among the appointed positions, who stays and who goes? If some go, who replaces them?

More info and ideas, please! Anyone can spout BS.
What specifics would you like? Name some.......

Anyone related to Graber, Osmanski, Clark, Wroblewski should be fired after a new policy is added to the town. I don't think Wally will get rid of anyone related to them. It's pretty obvisous he is "friends" with Osmanski as they were spotted hanging out at a bar, election night.

In order of who should be gone ASAP.....
1a) Lazzara
1b) Greenan
1c) Notaro
1d) Graber (needs to be voted out next September)
5) Walsh

[Psycho1]

You people ae mouthing a lot of generalities here. "More business friendly"; "lower taxes"; clean up Ridge Road and borde areas"; etc.

How about some specifics for the new trio on the Town Board?

Among the appointed positions, who stays and who goes? If some go, who replaces them?

More info and ideas, please! Anyone can spout BS.

More business friendly- businesses other than those associated with Clark. A more open bidding process for the town to encourage competitive pricing. How much might have been saved if the bidding process was open to companies other than DeLacy Ford, Duplicating Consultants (Hicks), etc. I work in the public sector, and for all of the vehicles purchased off of the state bid list, DeLacy has never been the lowest.

Lower taxes- if you examined the budget, you'd see duplicative services in several areas. Clark has been submitting open ended budgets that contained no itemization or explanation of how money is being spent. Once the spending is brought under control, logic says taxes could possibly be reduced. The organizational structure of the town is a bit heavy in the director positions. Larger towns than WS get by with a smaller structure. Let's start by merging the Youth Bureau, Recreation, and Senior Citizen under one roof.

The anointed- here's my list for chopping block:
Koller- a miserable little man, who gets as upset when questioned as Clark does.
Lazzara- he uses the YB as his personal fiefdom. There are a lot of questions regarding the finances of the YB and AmeriCorps that need to be examined closely.
Cyprynski- to me, always seems a day late and a dollar short. Only enforces the codes when he's forced to.

I could go on, but why? There's enough here for the criticism to start.

[BigGuy]

That's a good start, Psycho1.

I don't know anything about the Hicks copier contract. I always thought that state law required three bids for every contract over $5k per year. Items on state contract also take proximity into account. That could explain the DeLacy Ford deals.

I also read the Youth Bureau was audited recently and there were no findings to report. i don't know what year that was for.

But anyone who has paid attenton for the past years can see that there are real problems in WS.

[BigGuy]

What specifics would you like? Name some.......

Anyone related to Graber, Osmanski, Clark, Wroblewski should be fired after a new policy is added to the town. I don't think Wally will get rid of anyone related to them. It's pretty obvisous he is "friends" with Osmanski as they were spotted hanging out at a bar, election night.

In order of who should be gone ASAP.....
1a) Lazzara
1b) Greenan
1c) Notaro
1d) Graber (needs to be voted out next September)
5) Walsh

My understanding was that Wally and Osmanski were both at the Dem. Victory Party spot, Pappas. I don't know about them "hanging out at a bar".

If any relatives were put into civil service spots, they can't be fired without cause next year.

Graber Jr. doesn't run until 2009, with Bove.

Lazarra, Greenan, Notaro and (I suppose you mean Bob) Walsh each need to be re-appointed in Jan of '08 to stay on. i don't know if Walsh is Civil service or not.

How did Paul Notaro get on your hit list?

I disagree with the previously suggested combining of the Senior Citizens, Youth and Recreation Departments. That's too much for one department to run.

[wantabe]

Lazzara needs to go immediately. If he stays then the whole town stinks. The Youth Bureau may have had an audit but they didn't look in the right places. Only one person came because the second man broke his leg and couldn't come. They wined and dined the auditor until he didn't know what or where to look for mismanagement of funds. But believe me, there is a lot of money misspent at the Youth Bureau-AmreiCorps offices. Lazzara keeps the town board happy by buying copiers from Hicks, kissing Osmanski's ass and giving Clark a lot of good press to use, but when the new guys get in office then watch out. They don't like Lazzara and they are not going to fall for his BS. Can't wait until the first of the year.

[The Jokester]

Lazzara needs to go immediately. If he stays then the whole town stinks. The Youth Bureau may have had an audit but they didn't look in the right places. Only one person came because the second man broke his leg and couldn't come. They wined and dined the auditor until he didn't know what or where to look for mismanagement of funds. But believe me, there is a lot of money misspent at the Youth Bureau-AmreiCorps offices. Lazzara keeps the town board happy by buying copiers from Hicks, kissing Osmanski's ass and giving Clark a lot of good press to use, but when the new guys get in office then watch out. They don't like Lazzara and they are not going to fall for his BS. Can't wait until the first of the year.

Let's just hope the new administration really sees the YB for what it really is.

[wantabe]

I don't think that Lazzara can hide behind Paul Clark's skirt any longer. For some reason Clark has been protecting Lazzara but I don't see that happening with the new town board members. They all have an agenda against Lazzara from years ago and they want him gone. The truth will come out about him and people will be shocked. His days are numbered.

[erlyrizr1]

How do you know about the new boards agenda with lazzara?

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

I could go on, but why? There's enough here for the criticism to start.

What 300 posts, mostly about West Seneca isn't enough to make your point ? I think you've had enough opportunity to make your point. You'll never be happy with everything in town anyways.

Politics and government issues aside and though a first tier suburb, West Seneca is still for the most part a very nice town with lots to offer it residents. And here's a kick in the head to Psycho and all the rest of the malcontents, thanks in some part to the out going town board. I'd start my own thread about West Seneca's qualities but it would turn into the same biased anti-everything dribble that most seem happiest about doing in here.

[Psycho1]

What 300 posts, mostly about West Seneca isn't enough to make your point ? I think you've had enough opportunity to make your point. You'll never be happy with everything in town anyways.

Politics and government issues aside and though a first tier suburb, West Seneca is still for the most part a very nice town with lots to offer it residents. And here's a kick in the head to Psycho and all the rest of the malcontents, thanks in some part to the out going town board. I'd start my own thread about West Seneca's qualities but it would turn into the same biased anti-everything dribble that most seem happiest about doing in here.

I agree WS is a very nice place to live, but if you don't like what we say in the thread, why are you here?

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

if you don't like what we say in the thread, why are you here?

You ask why I'm here if I don't like what you and others say ?

This is America, not land of Psycho1. I'm entitled to also comment in here. It's granted by the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment, secured by our country's Forefathers.

Good thing you weren't around back then.

[BigGuy]

OK kids, let's slow down for a breather here.

I noticed the Town flags are at half mast. Does anyone know why?

[erlyrizr1]

I believe it is for Sgt. Daniel Shaw, who is a graduate of W.S. West.

[BigGuy]

Thank you.

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

OK kids, let's slow down for a breather here.

Kids ?

OK.....hhmmm.....over 500 posts from you. Lets see what you're all about. Something tells me things aren't all kosher with you.

[wantabe]

How do you know about the new boards agenda with lazzara?

I've been affillitated with the town for many years. I know the history of Lazzara, Chris Walsh and Paul Clark. Sheila is Chris Walsh's daughter and I'm sure she wants to even the score for her old man. Why do you think that Lazzara changed the name of "West Seneca AmeriCorps" to "Western New York AmeriCorps". Maybe to move the program out of town?!

[erlyrizr1]

I see what you're saying but if thats the case, she's only one vote. Is he tight with Graber, Clark, and Bove? Heard he helped Piotrowski on election day. Don't understand the name change. What's the difference what they call themselves?

[wantabe]

I see what you're saying but if thats the case, she's only one vote. Is he tight with Graber, Clark, and Bove? Heard he helped Piotrowski on election day. Don't understand the name change. What's the difference what they call themselves?

Sheila Meagan and Dale Clarke (not Paul Clark) could be working together. I know Dale Clarke hates Lazzara too. As for the name change, If Lazzara wants to move AmeriCorps out of WS, then Western New York AMeriCorps could go anywhere. Western New York is a much larger place then the town of WS. Shame om WS if they didn't have some legal document stating that the program belongs to the town and cannot be moved.
P.S. Bove doesn't like Lazzara either!

[Psycho1]

You ask why I'm here if I don't like what you and others say ?

This is America, not land of Psycho1. I'm entitled to also comment in here. It's granted by the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment, secured by our country's Forefathers.

I understand the Constitution and your right to speak your mind. Feel free! It just seems to me that no matter what we say in this forum, you take it as a personal affront. You also seem to have a particular problem with my writings. These are my thoughts and opinions on the state of the sitting Town Board. The United States Constitution also gives me the right to express these opinions, the same as it does you.

So, instead of being defensive, offer us the insight of someone who thinks the Clark administration has not been detrimental to the town.

Explain to us how come the Seneca Mall site has remained in its current state for so long, and why Paul Clark carries a bag with the owners logo on it.

Why did Benderson halt the expansion of the Delta Sonic in WS after it was found that the property was grossly under assessed? And please, don't say they didn't know what Hummel was doing. In fact, Benderson owns several of the run down properties in town.

Why is so difficult for the average citizen to make improvements to their property, but businesses that contributed to his campaign can get things done quickly. Often to the detriment of the neighborhood, e.i. Marrano Builders.

If there is a logic and sound reason for this... do tell!

This is not the land of Psycho1, I am but a single voice in a sea of many "malcontents".

[Psycho1]

I see what you're saying but if thats the case, she's only one vote. Is he tight with Graber, Clark, and Bove? Heard he helped Piotrowski on election day. Don't understand the name change. What's the difference what they call themselves?

Graber's wife works for AmeriCorps. Mark only worked on Wally's campaign for his own gain. He would have worked Satan, if he thought he was the front runner.

[Pumpkinhead]

Graber's wife works for AmeriCorps. Mark only worked on Wally's campaign for his own gain. He would have worked Satan, if he thought he was the front runner.
These people really have no shame, do they. It would be interesting to see a complete list of all the Friends and Family hires in WS. I'm sure it would make Giambra look like an amateur.

[WNYresident]

These people really have no shame, do they. It would be interesting to see a complete list of all the Friends and Family hires in WS. I'm sure it would make Giambra look like an amateur.

Foil a list and get it started.

You want to clean up your community you have to do something about it.

NOW just because someone is related doesn't mean they are not good workers. The only issue I see when you have lots of the same families working is people become lazy over time or things are allowed to slide because well.. it's all in the family.

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

I've been affillitated with the town for many years. I know the history of Lazzara, Chris Walsh and Paul Clark. Sheila is Chris Walsh's daughter and I'm sure she wants to even the score for her old man.

Hey Wantabe,

In your 4 posts you clearly seem to have a problem with Lazzara. Fair enough. You then state if Meegan were to look into Lazzara, which I would think you would appreciate and expect her to do as part of her job come Jan., you unfairly belittle her integrity by implying it's more about settling an old score for her father than what is right. You appear to have some sort of bias against her.

If Bove and Clarke look into Lazzara is it due to their diligence or is it also personal ? You can't have it both ways. It's called hypocrisy. Something that is quite prevalent in here.

Meegan and Piotrowski haven't been sworn into in office, and yet are catching more flak in here for things they have yet been able to do anything about unlike others who have been on the board and will still be after Jan 1.

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

If there is a logic and sound reason for this... do tell!

Those are legitimate issues. Though I have to shake my head at how you and your gang are now adamantly holding the, as of yet inactive new boards, feet to the fire for what has gone on for the last 16 yrs. with three of them having absolutely nothing or unable to do anything about them and yet actually expect them to correct them all in an impossible timely fashion.

You asked me why I came in here if I don't like what you and those of your ilk say in here. It's the personal bias and slants that many in here who don't want to apply fairly, evenly and appropriately across the board and often with the spouting of meritless, baseless and out and out false insinuations. With some of your posts you've have helped foster this mentality.

[dtwarren]

How did Paul Notaro get on your hit list?



I do not believe Mr. Notaro is a good public officer nor do I believe he he represents the Town well in his capacity as deputy town attorney. My experience with Mr. Notaro is based upon the recent issues with Canisius High School and his conduct (not that he is defending the Town's determinations) is lackluster and uncivil to the point of being sanctionable.

First he has demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of where the money the Town uses to pay his salary comes from (see http://www.speakupwny.com/article_3397.shtml )

Secondly, during the proceedings Mr. Notaro submitted an unverified answer and an uncertified record of the proceedings. These papers were rejected as being defective and untimely. Mr. Notaro explained this as a "clerical error." After the proceedings I asked Mr. Sullivan who represented Canisius and Mr. Notaro if they would return the rejected papers so that they may be included in the record on appeal. Mr. Sullivan agreed and Mr. Notaro at first insisted that he did not receive any papers from me and then when presented with proof from the USPS that he had he snipped that he would not and that I should get a court order requiring him to. At the time I figured that this was just said in the heat of zealous advocacy of a client and would be worked out later. Over a month later when the order and judgment were filed and we had filed our notice of appeal I wrote Mr. Notaro and Mr. Sullivan regarding the record on appeal and included a proposed record on appeal. Mr. Sullivan promptly responded stating his objections to the contents of the record and providing me a copy of the rejected papers as he agreed. To date I have not heard from Mr. Notaro as to what position he is taking regarding the record on appeal much less providing me with a copy of the rejected papers. Furthermore, and for whatever reason(s), Mr. Notaro did not submit any papers on behalf of the Town in opposition to our motion in the Appellate Division for summary reversal or a preliminary injunction pending appeal.

Quite simply I find Mr. Notaro's conduct in violation of the rules of civility required of an attorney and sanctionable. I have never moved for sanctions before, but I am seriously considering it in this case.

If this is an aberration or if this is his standard conduct I would be interested in hearing about it.

[FisherRd]

You asked me why I came in here if I don't like what you and those of your ilk say in here. It's the personal bias and slants that many in here who don't want to apply fairly, evenly and appropriately across the board and often with the spouting of meritless, baseless and out and out false insinuations. With some of your posts you've have helped foster this mentality.


I agree, but to be fair Psycho is at least interested and passionate. His agenda may not be your agenda. Personally I think he/she is being naive in thinking that every thing is so cut and dry.
I will say 2 things though...
The supposed "warning" is laughable. The self annointed sheriff of west seneca just may have been picking up his chiclets if his jocularity was mistaken as something else.
Let the 2 new members get up to speed on town business and the inner workings. I don't exactly think the other board members are going to pull the curtain back and air the dirty laundry.

Bove may let her lap dog Clarke in on a few things, but aside from that I think the 2 new members are going to have to be Jr Detectives in order to make any headway.

[WNYresident]

If Bove and Clarke look into Lazzara is it due to their diligence or is it also personal ? You can't have it both ways. It's called hypocrisy. Something that is quite prevalent in here.

Would the reason for looking into the matter really make any difference? Personal or not if something really isn't kosher? A fair amount of money is cranked through the program and what results do you actually see. Some of the payroll numbers seem rather high to sit in meetings and bs most of the time.

Could anyone start a clean thread and acutally explain what they do?

[wantabe]

Hey Wantabe,

In your 4 posts you clearly seem to have a problem with Lazzara. Fair enough. You then state if Meegan were to look into Lazzara, which I would think you would appreciate and expect her to do as part of her job come Jan., you unfairly belittle her integrity by implying it's more about settling an old score for her father than what is right. You appear to have some sort of bias against her.

If Bove and Clarke look into Lazzara is it due to their diligence or is it also personal ? You can't have it both ways. It's called hypocrisy. Something that is quite prevalent in here.

Meegan and Piotrowski haven't been sworn into in office, and yet are catching more flak in here for things they have yet been able to do anything about unlike others who have been on the board and will still be after Jan 1.
All I was saying is that there is a history between Lazzara and Sheila Meagan. You can't erase all the years that Chris Walsh was in office and fought with Lazzara and have Sheila forget about them. She carries some baggage but I do wish her well and hope that she will step up to the plate and make a difference in town politics. Don't take things so personal. I'm only stating the way I feel. I thought that's what this forum was about. You would think that the way you react, I was talking about you!

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

Would the reason for looking into the matter really make any difference? Personal or not if something really isn't kosher? A fair amount of money is cranked through the program and what results do you actually see. Some of the payroll numbers seem rather high to sit in meetings and bs most of the time.

Could anyone start a clean thread and acutally explain what they do?



I think you missed the point of my remark. It pertains to people intentionally maligning and misleading others with the clear intent of misrepresenting them so others will think ill of them regardless that it is not warranted or valid. That may be irrelevant to you, but it is largely why what is spewed in here is so difficult to be considered credible when so much biasness is evident.

As far as your concerns about the merit of that program, which does raise an eyebrow, I'm sure you'll have no problem finding those in here ready to disect it endlessly and with not much more than hearsay and innuendo to back them up.

(not you refering to you this time Psycho ;) )

[Mona]

All I was saying is that there is a history between Lazzara and Sheila Meagan. You can't erase all the years that Chris Walsh was in office and fought with Lazzara and have Sheila forget about them. She carries some baggage but I do wish her well and hope that she will step up to the plate and make a difference in town politics. Don't take things so personal. I'm only stating the way I feel. I thought that's what this forum was about. You would think that the way you react, I was talking about you!

Any revenge on anyone is so unlike Sheila's character. She did not run for office to right any wrongs against her father or anyone else in her family. Sheila simply wants to represent the people of West Seneca and hear what they say. I truly believe that she is not here for her own personal gains unlike many others.

[WNYresident]

I think you missed the point of my remark. It pertains to people intentionally maligning and misleading others with the clear intent of misrepresenting them so others will think ill of them regardless that it is not warranted or valid. That may be irrelevant to you, but it is largely why what is spewed in here is so difficult to be considered credible when so much biasness is evident.

As far as your concerns about the merit of that program, which does raise an eyebrow, I'm sure you'll have no problem finding those in here ready to disect it endlessly and with not much more than hearsay and innuendo to back them up.

(not you refering to you this time Psycho ;) )

Well why don't a group of people get togeather and physically start to look into it.

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

All I was saying is that there is a history between Lazzara and Sheila Meagan. You can't erase all the years that Chris Walsh was in office and fought with Lazzara and have Sheila forget about them.

You have said Mark Lazzara needs to go, am I correct ? Since Meegan announced her candidacy, Lazzara has been telling anyone who will listen and a lot of people do listen to Lazzara, he didn't get the votes he did to be school board president because everyone doesn't like him, that the only reason Meegan is running is to get him because of her father. Whether you realize it or not, you're only reinforcing what Lazzara says. You wish her well, yet validate Lazzara.

Nothing personal, but I wouldn't want you on my side. :D

[Psycho1]

First, let's clear something up. I know both Dale and Sheila, and have spoken to them countless times before, during, and after the election. I've got there home numbers for god sake. I am not holding their feet to the fire, I only expect them to address the issues they ran on, just like any voter. The same can be said for Wally. He ran with the platform of cleaning things up in WS, I have his literature to back that up, so that's what I expect. Do not promise me steak, and then feed me hot dogs. Obviously, it will take time for the problems to be rectified, I am not naive to think this will magically be fixed with the wave of a hand.

When Bove ran, she was all fire and brimstone, but amounted to little more than a smoldering ember. Perhaps, the new members might reignite her, who knows. Graber will no doubt sit in a corner and sulk that he lost his playmates.

As far as the "warning" and picking up my "chiclets", they both know me it was meant in jest, especially to Clarke who was the boards biggest pain in the ass, and admits it! So just get over it already!

[FisherRd]

First, let's clear something up. I know both Dale and Sheila, and have spoken to them countless times before, during, and after the election. I've got there home numbers for god sake. I am not holding their feet to the fire, I only expect them to address the issues they ran on, just like any voter. The same can be said for Wally. He ran with the platform of cleaning things up in WS, I have his literature to back that up, so that's what I expect. Do not promise me steak, and then feed me hot dogs. Obviously, it will take time for the problems to be rectified, I am not naive to think this will magically be fixed with the wave of a hand.
Thanks for clearing that up. I'll admit I may be reading too much in to what you were writing, but IMO you give the impression like they had better hit the ground running. That would be an ideal start, but I think that the status quo will be a hard thing to break.
When Bove ran, she was all fire and brimstone, but amounted to little more than a smoldering ember. Perhaps, the new members might reignite her, who knows. Graber will no doubt sit in a corner and sulk that he lost his playmates.
I know, I voted for her thinking she was going to kick ass and take names. I realize now that it wasn't going to be that easy when she was so out numbered. Hopefully you're right about the new blood revitalizing her.
As far as the "warning" and picking up my "chiclets", they both know me it was meant in jest, especially to Clarke who was the boards biggest pain in the ass, and admits it! So just get over it already!

I talked to Clarke about 10 minutes ago. He said he'd punch your lights out if you ever got snarky with him again...

OK, I just made that up. I don't know you and they do. If they took it the way you meant it then that's fine. From my desk chair it "sounded" a little aggressive. You obviously didn't intend for your comment to be so distracting so I'll drop it just like Clarke's going to drop you if you get in his grill again...

[erlyrizr1]

Wow, Fisher and Eb taking on Psycho. Can't remember what post I seen it in,but Psycho, didn't you say that you had thick skin? These people are merely calling you on something you wrote. As for having Clarke and Meegans phone numbers, so what. I'll take you one better. I know where they live. Bite the bullet. I think your choice of a word, that being "warned", was just a bit on or over the edge. However, as far as the new board goes, remember, Rome wasn't built in a day. I believe, like you, that things will get done. You gave the others 16 years. Let's have patience.

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

You're more forgiving than me Fisher. I subscribe to the old theory if it looks like a duck.....and maintain until his bravado was called into question, he would continue to portray himself as the new sheriff in town you playfully stated. I gotta chuckle at how he now asks for me to get over it after just stating, like another just mentioned, of how he has such thick skin.

I still think to some degree he's still blowing smoke about how tight he is with some of the people who's names he so easily throws around. I wonder how much they would appreciate that. He has their phone numbers, big deal ! They're in the phone book. I wouldn't be suprise if they cringe inside when he calls.

I say this guy is grousing loudly after the re-org. meeting Jan. 1 when all his myopic whims don't become a reality, many of which are not realistic anyways.

[Psycho1]

You're more forgiving than me Fisher. I subscribe to the old theory if it looks like a duck.....and maintain until his bravado was called into question, he would continue to portray himself as the new sheriff in town you playfully stated. I gotta chuckle at how he now asks for me to get over it after just stating, like another just mentioned, of how he has such thick skin.

I still think to some degree he's still blowing smoke about how tight he is with some of the people who's names he so easily throws around. I wonder how much they would appreciate that. He has their phone numbers, big deal ! They're in the phone book. I wouldn't be suprise if they cringe inside when he calls.

I say this guy is grousing loudly after the re-org. meeting Jan. 1 when all his myopic whims don't become a reality, many of which are not realistic anyways.


Boy! you are a tough one. Can I still say the sky is blue?
Since this is going nowhere, let's just drop it.
Not caving, just think it's pointless.

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

this is going nowhere, just think it's pointless.

Like your many posts and those of others who you lend credence to just so they follow your slanted lead to make you appear credible.

[erlyrizr1]

Psych, whats Up with that last post? Since I've been visiting these sights, you have held court as "the chosen one" from all your cronies. Now, you get challenged and want to get out of dodge. Your last sentence is priceless. Why is it pointless? Because you say so? Falling off your horse? Town watchdog? Someone has called you on the carpet and you want a truce. Whew, is that disappointing. Well true colors always come out in the end and you are beginning to fade to black. All because you're not used to being in position where you have to defend your posts. Good job Eb.

[The Jokester]

I'd rather side with Psycho1 than cave to the known politico a-kissers here.

[erlyrizr1]

Jokester, are you a disciple? Psycho's a big boy and can take care of himself.

[Psycho1]

Psych, whats Up with that last post? Since I've been visiting these sights, you have held court as "the chosen one" from all your cronies. Now, you get challenged and want to get out of dodge. Your last sentence is priceless. Why is it pointless? Because you say so? Falling off your horse? Town watchdog? Someone has called you on the carpet and you want a truce. Whew, is that disappointing. Well true colors always come out in the end and you are beginning to fade to black. All because you're not used to being in position where you have to defend your posts. Good job Eb.

No not dodging, Eb will never be satisfied no matter what I say. My posts are based on attendance at Town Board meetings, research, affiliation with other who care, and open discussion with those on the inside. Eb seems to thrive on confrontation without opinion. I love a spirited debate on issues, but when the opposition presents nothing but criticism, how do you carry on a dialog?
If I say the earth is round, he'll question my source. The sky is blue, he'll ask exactly what shade. This makes the topic pointless. If anyone has an opinion contrary to mine, GREAT! Let's meet over coffee or a beer and discuss our differences, maybe we'll find common ground.

For the record, there have been numerous FOIA requests filed to acquire information. The Clark administration has been less than cooperative in their response. But what we do have is telling, and the basis of my many posts. I have openly criticized the board at board meetings and in other forums.

I'm involved, and I have formulated opinions that may not be shared in these forums, and that's fine with me. My question to my detractors is, do you go to the Town Board meetings, and are you involved with any of the groups working to make West Seneca a better community? What exactly are you doing to improve our community?

If that makes me the Sheriff of WS, fine. At least I'm not sitting on the sidelines saying " someone should do something"!!!

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

Hey Psycho, or is it Mike ? I could be wrong about that, it doesn't matter anyway, I'm busy now, be back tomorrow. ;)

[Pumpkinhead]

On the topic of solutions to the potential problems of patronage employees, Americorps, etc., are these civil service jobs? If they are hired by the Town, are they automatically union?

[wantabe]

AmeriCorps positions are not civil service. They are paid strictly with grant money. Full time positions in town are civil service jobs with the white collar union. Blue collar employees do not have to take civil service exams for their jobs but they are in the union.

[Psycho1]

Hey Psycho, or is it Mike ? I could be wrong about that, it doesn't matter anyway, I'm busy now, be back tomorrow. ;)

Call me what you want, Psyc, Mike, Fred, Tom, a**hole, sh*t head, just don't call me late for dinner or last call. Look forward to hearing from you. Wanna get a beer? Metzger's, Gordy's, Flattery's, you name it.

[Pumpkinhead]

I am surprised that M R E S hasn't chimed in, now that the election is over, to add thoughts on what he/she would change.....

[Psycho1]

I am surprised that M R E S hasn't chimed in, now that the election is over, to add thoughts on what he/she would change.....

You're right, along with some of the other pre-election regulars. Cgood, Gia, etc. Well, they either don't feel there's anything to talk about, or have changed their names.

[FisherRd]

You're right, along with some of the other pre-election regulars. Cgood, Gia, etc. Well, they either don't feel there's anything to talk about, or have changed their names.


My guess is they just retired a name or two...

[Psycho1]

Despite how others interpret my writings, the point I've attempted to make in this thread is really a simple one. The new Town Board has a great deal of work ahead of them. Believe me, I understand this will not be an overnight fix, it will take a great deal of time to change what has been done over 16 years. The only request I have, and all kidding aside, is that they stay true to the campaign platforms they ran on.

While it won't happen immediately, the new board can place the owners of run down properties, both business and private, on notice that they need to clean them up, or there will be consequences. There may even be existing guidelines, codes, or laws in place that simply need better enforcement.

The new board, in time, will need to review the budget that was just approved and eliminate duplicative services, purchases, and personnel where applicable and practical. Review the bidding process to see that it is done fair & properly, and that WS receives the best deal possible. They may want to consider approving an amended budget at some point during the year.

It will not be easy, and they are sure to run into pressure from those who were in the good graces of the previous administration. I trust they will stand resolute in this endeavor, and work for the citizens, as they promised.

Read into this what you will, but don't over analyze it, it's not complicated.

[Pumpkinhead]

The Town Board is supposed to have the financial responsibility to the people. That is number one priority. Cheektowaga has more than twice as many people yet they only have two town attorneys. Why does WS have 3 - WASTE, PATRONAGE.

[erlyrizr1]

Fisher, how right you are. It's good to see that someone else recognizes that some of these people are two or three of the same. Thanks for your keen eye.

[Pumpkinhead]

And probably candidates as well....

Back to the thread topic, I reread some of the ideas and there are a lot of issues that should be discussed but it doesn't seem like the Town Board has any public discussions about these topics. Maybe add to the list that Wally should hold a town forum every month to discuss issues. It seems to me that the end of the town board meetings are one-way discussions and the town board only answers the person if they like the person speaking, if they have an answer, or if it is a topic that they can't get away with ignoring.

[The Jokester]

Accountability is number one. I agree with having a town forum once a month where we can really voice our concerns, issues, opinions and even thanks for a good job done.

That's the reason I also support the work of Psycho1. Political plays have always tried to beat anyone down that is trying to get a righteous point across. It's like being called into a meeting at work, after a bunch of lay-offs, and being asked by your manager, in front of their manager, if you think your manager is doing a good job. You're on shaky ground as you ask yourself who signs your paycheck. Of course, even if you think your manager is an incompetent dolt or pulling a power play, you're going to answer in the affirmative, even if you don't believe it.

Many in West Seneca, particularly those in position of power, have used this type of control for too long. Psycho1 is trying to hold them accountable, asking people to send in information, examples and such. Those who seem to oppose his work are like that manager in attempting to hold the truth back from the people. If there are no concerns, if there is no illegal activity, there should be no adverse commentary or chiding from anyone. Instead, we should all say, "Well, this happened..." or just let him/her go on with the research.

Get what I mean?

[MR E S 1]

I am surprised that M R E S hasn't chimed in, now that the election is over, to add thoughts on what he/she would change.....

.....but it's nice that you remembered me. :rolleyes:

What's left to say ?

The ball's in the new boards court for awhile

It couldn't have went any better as far as I'm concerned.

Paul Clark's fall from grace will last forever and has been glorious to see.

The yes men, Osmanski and Hicks are gone.

Tim Greenan isn't far behind.

Things are actually looking rosy in West Seneca.

Despite some negative stuff, I'm glad Sheila Meegan won.

Mark Lazzara isn't.

I still read the posts regularly.

I'm very content to lay low and sit on the sidelines in here.

In about another year and half I'll get antsy again.

Three down, two to go.

[erlyrizr1]

Jokester, you make valid points and believing in Psycho is your right. I also believe in a lot of things he writes. However, there are five board members and out of the five one always gets a free ride from him. Accountability should be applied to all. He says he attends all board meetings. I don't but I do read the newspaper. It seems, with this certain board members ok, that the town has changed phone service at a considerable cost to the taxpayer. Graber questioned the reason why. However, Psycho never mentioned in ANY of his posts. If it was any of the others he would have wanted to tar and feather them. Accountability is a two way street. If you write about and villify the four, he should know that the board consists of five.

[Psycho1]

Jokester, you make valid points and believing in Psycho is your right. I also believe in a lot of things he writes. However, there are five board members and out of the five one always gets a free ride from him. Accountability should be applied to all. He says he attends all board meetings. I don't but I do read the newspaper. It seems, with this certain board members ok, that the town has changed phone service at a considerable cost to the taxpayer. Graber questioned the reason why. However, Psycho never mentioned in ANY of his posts. If it was any of the others he would have wanted to tar and feather them. Accountability is a two way street. If you write about and villify the four, he should know that the board consists of five.

Sorry, I didn't address the phone issue you're correct. Someone else in one of the groups I work with has been looking into that issue. I have been focused primarily on the unitemized entries in the budget. I have been unable to attend the past couple of meetings for medical reasons, but usually check the minutes. (When they get around to posting them) But I'm better and back in the saddle.
Graber may have questioned the issue, but how did he vote? The search feature on the town's site is not working, so I'll have to go back each meeting. Rizr, I'll try to be more diligent, thanks for the call.

[erlyrizr1]

Thanks, Psycho.

[MR E S 1]

the town has changed phone service at a considerable cost to the taxpayer. Graber questioned the reason why.

Just for the record I raised that exact issue on Oct. 26 in here, I didn't get much feedback on it.

Thought folks were just tired of me in here with all my ranting. :(

Erly you make a good point.

I've ranted more than anyone about Bove in here.

Not many backed me. :mad:

I like some of these newcomers :)

(I swore I'd lay low :o )

[erlyrizr1]

I know two of the five board members, one fairly well, the other so-so. Bove is not one of them. There is more to write about and question, although I don't know if its all true and until I do I will keep it to myself. However, I wanted to see where this questioning of the new phone system goes. I want to use the right choice of words here and I don't want it to sound like I'm singling out Psycho, but I want to see a level playing field with ALL the board members. MR, I missed your earlier post and am going to look it up. Didn't mean to drag you in but welcome.

[Psycho1]

I know two of the five board members, one fairly well, the other so-so. Bove is not one of them.

Just so I don't get too confused, are you referring to the new board, or the current one?

Nice to hear from you again Mr. ES! :)

[erlyrizr1]

Psycho, I'm referring to the current board. It is their phone system which I was questioning.

[Psycho1]

Psycho, I'm referring to the current board. It is their phone system which I was questioning.

I know, but you stated you knew some of the board members, and I wanted to know which board, present or future. That's all:)

[erlyrizr1]

The two are on the current board.

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

Someone else in one of the groups I work with has been looking into that issue.

Oooohhh, Psycho has operatives.

Who ? Frank "Rudy" Russo. I say he's the ring leader of your little gang, who obtained your infamous FOIL, that you say you got, and now have set out to straighten out the world. The guys an embarrasment and you defended his shameful antics, he and his wife were arrested at the cancer march for interrupting it this past year. You then said you didn't know the particulars behind that issue. I say you lied. I say you know him well and your his neighbor. I say your group is a disgrace by having someone like him in it. You condone and accept him as one of your own which puts you on par with him.

Anyone who knows town insiders or town gadflys who follows things closely, as you claim to be, knew all about Russo's disgusting exhibit at the charity walk. Russo's arrest was cleary defined in a quarter page article printed in the West Seneca Bee. No town watchdog group misses reading what is printed about the town in the Bee. Especially when they want to read their own letter to the editor.

You say I don't back up my arguments. I say I backed up my problem with you quite succinctly and truthfully.

Remember, you stepped into my business first in here.

[Pumpkinhead]

I don't read the Bee; don't know what happened. Whatever happened is not relevant to this thread. Anyone with half a brain can see that there are some problems in how the Town has been managed, cozy relationships and lapses in financial responsibility. Spirit - Are you a Town employee who has a job thanks to Clark & company? Why does it bother you that citizens want information about how their tax money is spent? This is a democracy; citizens need information to participate in government. Why do you say Psycho stepped into your business first - you did not start this thread. You said people here are negative, so I started a positive thread. I don't understand your point and have a feeling that you have a personal vendetta somewhere here.

[dtwarren]

Regardless of whether one believes all the allegations or not, one thing is for sure is that West Seneca town government is under a taint of suspicion. I would say that in order to remove this taint the new administration needs to do the following:

1) Acknowledge its obligations and the public’s right under FOIL and the Open Meetings Law;

2) enact a more comprehensive ethics policy;

3) Reduce the discretionary purchasing authority under the current procurement policy.

In order to remove this taint, whether real or perceived the town needs to become more transparent and accountable to the people. This means the Town board must reclaim its oversight role and its role as the policy-making body.

[Psycho1]

Remember, you stepped into my business first in here.

Your business? The town of West Seneca is YOUR business, and yours alone?

Well excuse the rest of us for disrupting your life! Somewhere in here I've struck a nerve.

I can only guess that Spirit just could be an outgoing board member, and based on his pleasant demeanor displayed lately, I'd guess Craig Hicks. But I may be wrong, maybe it's Vince Graber? He thinks we should follow blindly, and seems to get upset when he's called out. OH, maybe it's Mark Lazzara! I know for a fact he trolls this site using several names, and possibly has a lot to lose in the administrative change.:eek:
Couldn't be Clark, he's to busy covering his butt over the campaign finance issue to bother with us.

[The Jokester]

Oooohhh, Psycho has operatives...town gadflys...No town watchdog group misses reading what is printed about the town in the Bee...Remember, you stepped into my business first in here.

Sounds like Mark the shark Lazzara:p . (use of "ooooooh" and the term "gadfly" and who uses the Bee more for self-promotion than Lazzara?)

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

I'm not talking about the town. I have said there is a need for change and improvement in town. I see no need to serve notice to the new board members and constantly rant about the past when it was not of their doing.

I'm talking about you "Psycho1". Things between you and I began when I mentioned in one of my first posts to someone other than you about their recommending your pal Russo for town council. You came riding in on your high horse telling me Russo is this and that and his actions were justified. I then took some time to delve into your posts and found you to be a phony one sided Bove admirer. I called you out about Bove, you recanted. You find fault with Piotrowski and Meegan before they have even had a chance to serve this town. Why not Dale Clarke ? You pointed out Meegan's husbands employment as a concern. Fair enough, I guess you think, but hear me out. Let me tell you something about Dale Clarke. A friend of mine who is no longer with us use to live just a few houses down the road from Dale Clarke. He often mentioned the almost constant hiding of the town trucks behind Dale Clarkes house. And not just the same ones and not always orange. My friend knew them by name. That, to me is something much more conflicting than someones husband. Yet not a peep from you about that. I say once again you are biased and unfair. This is one of problems, of a few, which I have previously and clearly stated in hear I have with you.

I personally have no problem with the three newcomers on the board and hope to see change and not a continuance of the past boards maladies. I hope they do what decent, fair and upstanding people would hope for. You, in my opinion have none of these qualities or are capable of making judgement about such qualities given your assinine defense of Russo.

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

Regardless of whether one believes all the allegations or not, one thing is for sure is that West Seneca town government is under a taint of suspicion.

Due to the soon to be pasts boards conduct.

This does not mean the next board will be the same.

[Psycho1]

I have as much right to an opinion as you do.

Regarding Meegan and Piotrowski, I simply stated I felt there were concerns with items they would come into office with. Nothing I didn't discuss with them in person. So get off that horse.

As far as Clarke is concerned, if he allows town employees to hide at his house (I have not personally seen that happen, only read about it here) it will come back to bite him in the ass. And rightfully so!

Concerning Russo, you no doubt have a real beef with him, more than me. I wasn't living in WS when the incident at the Soccer Park happened, so I don't know the whole story. I only know what others in the area have told me, and each version is different. I'll do my research and if he did interfere with with a cancer walk the way you say, he will lose any credibility and respect from me. If it not as you state, but as I've heard from others, I will tell you this, as someone who lost his first wife to cancer at 45 years old, if I find out you're using that insidious illness to make more of this incident than really occurred, I will expose you for what you really are.

[PAC police]

sorry about losing your wife, Psycho

[Psycho1]

sorry about losing your wife, Psycho
Thank you

[Mona]

I'm not talking about the town. I have said there is a need for change and improvement in town. I see no need to serve notice to the new board members and constantly rant about the past when it was not of their doing.

I'm talking about you "Psycho1". Things between you and I began when I mentioned in one of my first posts to someone other than you about their recommending your pal Russo for town council. You came riding in on your high horse telling me Russo is this and that and his actions were justified. I then took some time to delve into your posts and found you to be a phony one sided Bove admirer. I called you out about Bove, you recanted. You find fault with Piotrowski and Meegan before they have even had a chance to serve this town. Why not Dale Clarke ? You pointed out Meegan's husbands employment as a concern. Fair enough, I guess you think, but hear me out. Let me tell you something about Dale Clarke. A friend of mine who is no longer with us use to live just a few houses down the road from Dale Clarke. He often mentioned the almost constant hiding of the town trucks behind Dale Clarkes house. And not just the same ones and not always orange. My friend knew them by name. That, to me is something much more conflicting than someones husband. Yet not a peep from you about that. I say once again you are biased and unfair. This is one of problems, of a few, which I have previously and clearly stated in hear I have with you.

I personally have no problem with the three newcomers on the board and hope to see change and not a continuance of the past boards maladies. I hope they do what decent, fair and upstanding people would hope for. You, in my opinion have none of these qualities or are capable of making judgement about such qualities given your assinine defense of Russo.


So Bob you are referring to Joe Billitier correct?

[Mona]

Sorry Spirit...I didn't mean to call you bob I was writing and thinking of something else at the same time... but you are referring to Joe correct?

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

It was wrong of me and I went to far when referencing my friend. I should have been more respectful and considerate on his behalf. He was a good man who also succumbed to cancer. I apologize to those who knew him and those he left behind and hope they accept my apology. I too can speak, like many in here, about the ravages of cancer to loved ones. My condolences to you Psycho with your wifes passing.

Never would I grandstand on such sadness as you try to insinuate and portray me as doing so.

That said, I stand by my remarks to you and add that with what I just stated is in large part why your pal is a disgrace and those who follow his lead are as comtemptible.

[dtwarren]

Due to the soon to be pasts boards conduct.

This does not mean the next board will be the same.

You are correct it does not mean the next board will be the the same but actions speak louder than words. The things I outlined can be accomplished very quickly and will send a message to the residents about how the new board will proceed and conduct itself, If it is not willing to do these things the ill perceptions will continue.

[Pumpkinhead]

Spirit, you can't blame people for being suspicious when Piotrowski was seen with Osmanski on election night and Piotrowski would not have been endorsed without Clark's blessing.

The News this morning says that Koller is also being investigated. If the new Town Board reappoints him, then I'd say we have the same old problem....do you agree with that Spririt?

[Psycho1]

Spirit, you can't blame people for being suspicious when Piotrowski was seen with Osmanski on election night and Piotrowski would not have been endorsed without Clark's blessing.

The News this morning says that Koller is also being investigated. If the new Town Board reappoints him, then I'd say we have the same old problem....do you agree with that Spirit?

Hey Pumpkinhead. Before spirit gets on here and beats on you, I think the Koller involved in the investigation is Mark the son (?) of Charles,the Comptroller. I know, I got excited to see the Koller name myself, but as we all know, the apple doesn't fall from the tree.

[Psycho1]

That said, I stand by my remarks to you and add that with what I just stated is in large part why your pal is a disgrace and those who follow his lead are as comtemptible.

Let's clear the air Spirit, since perhaps we're not as different as our writings would indicate. The only association I ever really have with Frank Russo, is that involving matters of the town, and the administration. I follow no man, and will only walk beside someone. If, in time, I learn that person to be dishonest with me, I'll expect an explanation or I will cut any and all ties with that person. If I find you're correct in the matter of the Cancer Walk incident, it will speak volumes.

We try to express our ideas in just a few sentences as best we can, only to find it wasn't interpreted the way we meant, or more was read into the statement. While this forum is an excellent place to exchanges ideas, often the ideas do not always translate into the written form as well. Conversely, when reading a persons writings, the mind will interpret those thoughts within the scope of the readers state at that time. That's why we often end up in heated exchanges that we do. Makes me wish we had a town square, barber shop, and General Store to bring back personal interaction.

[erlyrizr1]

Hey Psych, and all else who read this post, I have a couple of questions for you all. Eb wrote a post yesterday about an article being publihsed in the bee. I just seen todays bee and my jaw dropped. How did Eb know about todays article that was printed in there? Who tipped him off? Who is connected with that paper from the town? Something fishy. If I'm wrong I apologize but too coincidental for my liking. I dare say that there's a snake in the henhouse.

[Psycho1]

Hey Psych, and all else who read this post, I have a couple of questions for you all. Eb wrote a post yesterday about an article being publihsed in the bee. I just seen todays bee and my jaw dropped. How did Eb know about todays article that was printed in there? Who tipped him off? Who is connected with that paper from the town? Something fishy. If I'm wrong I apologize but too coincidental for my liking. I dare say that there's a snake in the henhouse.

I was wondering the same thing. I didn't see last weeks, so I don't know if there was anything in there that Eb might have been referencing.

I think perhaps, it was just a general statement, with really uncanny timing.

[erlyrizr1]

Any word on the phone contract with the town? I asked a few in the know and supposedly this is over 6 figures. They said the old system was fine. Maybe she did and maybe she didn't, but there were some rumblings that she took care of a close friend. If this is the case, she's on par with the former three.

[MR E S 1]

How did Eb know about todays article that was printed in there? Who tipped him off? Who is connected with that paper from the town? Something fishy.

No doubt Erly !

No way is Ebenezer able to draw this kind of bead on Psycho from just what's said in here.

He's got spunk, whatever that is.

[MR E S 1]

It was wrong of me and I went to far when referencing my friend. He was a good man

Ebenezer you certainly are cutting it very close with your ill advised reference.

In my opinion, those no longer with us are off limits, even if only referencing.

You best apologize for your mistep. :mad:

Others in here seem to know of you who spoke of.

Your attempt at anonymity fell flat.

Those who scrutinize bear watching too.

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

MR E S 1 and Psycho 1.......hhhmmm, you guys related ?

I already attempted to make amends about this before you chimed in MR E S 1, ..... or should I say Mysterious One ;), bet most thought those were your initials, or am I wrong ? I enjoy deciphering vanity license plates.

Again I shouldn't have mention my friend, pile on if you must, I admit my mistakes. I regret it and won't shy away from a mistake. Unlike your pal Psycho. You said you saw the Bee today, didn't you see his letter too ? Since I assailed him being a biased pro Bove fan, he claims he's now disatisfied with Bove in here. Then in the same week he writes a letter to the Bee extolling her virtues and says now she'll be able to do what she originally set out to do. What happened to his fire and brimstone to smouldering ember analogy about her ? He left that out of his letter. What does that say about him ? He's a two faced phony. It's there for all to see. He's got a thing for Bove. Bet he took that glamour shot photo of her from her political ads and blew it up and hung it over his...........fireplace ? :eek:

Hey Psycho, though I wouldn't stoop to that desperate rap you try to lay on me regarding the Russo incident, Mike, I will go Lowe when it comes to dealing with double standard, self-righteous, sanctimonious types like you !

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

MR E S 1, you certainly were busy in here for a while. I scanned some of your posts. It scares me that I've unknowingly condoned a few of your inumerable rants. But then I'll admit Psycho has a few legit points too. You have thrown pretty much everyone in West Seneca under the bus. I wonder if you just made up a lot of things as you went along or actually have a clue about what has gone on. For what you claim you know you'd have to be intimate with many. That seems unlikely. You said you want to give it a rest in one of your last posts. I think that's a good idea.

[Psycho1]

Then in the same week he writes a letter to the Bee extolling her virtues and says now she'll be able to do what she originally set out to do. What happened to his fire and brimstone to smouldering ember analogy about her ? He left that out of his letter. What does that say about him ? He's a two faced phony. It's there for all to see. He's got a thing for Bove. Bet he took that glamour shot photo of her from her political ads and blew it up and hung it over his...........fireplace ? :eek:

Extolling her virtues? Thanking someone for a NO vote is extolling virtues? I gave her credit for having the balls to say no to Clark, that the three stooges didn't have!
Obviously you are not as brilliant as you portend to be Mark, since you don't recognize a statement that is duplicitous in nature. Saying she won't be bullied by Clark and the boys is a double edged sword, that I'll allow you to think about for awhile.:confused:

If, your identity is that of who others on this blog have indicated, then you are a desperate man, who very well could be looking for work come January. I'm sorry to inform you though, the NFTA does not have any openings for people to answer phones in Customer Service. You can slam me all you want, fat little parasites like you do not scare me. Beside, you have other ghosts in your "closet".:eek:

If you are not Mark Lazzara, and even if you are you won't admit it, then why don't you let us know who you are, since you're so friggin' smart and in the know. Seems to me, Bove is the only person on the board you have a "hard on" for. But maybe you don't like girls, that's why you've kissed Clark, Graber, and Hicks' ass so much.:mad:

[MR E S 1]

It scares me that I've unknowingly condoned a few of your inumerable rants. But then I'll admit Psycho has a few legit points too.

Before I go any further, I have to ask you something.

Why did you drop your last name Ebenezer ?

Scrooge.

You concede you agree some with us "1's" and have made good points.

How bad can we really be. :D

I don't think your Lazzara.

You would have never stumped for Sheila Meegan.

[erlyrizr1]

Gentlemen, or ladies. Things are getting heated. Makes for good reading, though. Have to concur. Don't think its Markie. But one never knows. Could be throwin the coat on one road for the dogs to pick up the scent and then takin the other road. It has happened here before. One thing though. In Ebs
(Markies) defense he has stated that Bove is untouchable. She does seem to get the benefit of the doubt. At the reorg meeting last year there were close to sixty (60) motions. She voted yes or seconded on all but one. Only once did she vote NO. If it were one of the other four, they would be hung by their Buster Browns if they campaiged on changing the world like she did.Is Lazzaro tight with her? Did he campaign for her? Whatever and whoever really is mute. What matters is a new board will take over in seven weeks. Lets see how they all get along. It should be interesting.

[Psycho1]

I will reserve any further comment on this subject until after the new members are seated, and have some time under their belt.

As for Eb, regardless of who he/she is, they no doubt stand to lose something with the ouster of Clark, Osmanski, and Hicks, and obviously has a personal problem with Bove.

I will, however, continue the fight to bring accountability to the Town government.

[The Jokester]

I will reserve any further comment on this subject until after the new members are seated, and have some time under their belt.

As for Eb, regardless of who he/she is, they no doubt stand to lose something with the ouster of Clark, Osmanski, and Hicks, and obviously has a personal problem with Bove.

I will, however, continue the fight to bring accountability to the Town government.

That's because Bove can't stand Lazzara.............known fact.........

[The Jokester]

Before I go any further, I have to ask you something.

Why did you drop your last name Ebenezer ?

Scrooge.

You concede you agree some with us "1's" and have made good points.

How bad can we really be. :D

I don't think your Lazzara.

You would have never stumped for Sheila Meegan.

C'mon, look to the history of our area. This is Lazzara or one of his minions - Adam? - the Ebenezers - Garden area - see? Close to the Burchfield WSYB office.

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

I will reserve any further comment on this subject until after the new members are seated.
It's what I recommended you do from the start. Bothers you that I came into your little world and exposed you. Others, Erly for one, are beginning to see what I've said about you. You got to get over that crush on Bove. I bet you blush like a school boy when you get near her. I''ll give that slant a rest if you keep your promise. I say you can't.

As for Eb, regardless of who he/she is, they no doubt stand to lose something with the ouster of Clark, Osmanski, and Hicks, and obviously has a personal problem with Bove.
Sorry, my status in life doesn't change one bit. You're right, I have a problem with phonies. Birds of a feather I say.

I will, however, continue the fight to bring accountability to the Town government.
Just can't shake that delusional hero status you see yourself as, can you ? I'm suprised you didn't add that you were also fighting for truth, justice and the American way, like Superman. Or should I say Super Psycho ? Yeah, that sounds about right.

[MR E S 1]

I''ll give that slant a rest if you keep your promise.

But please, give that slant a rest.

I'm no fan of Tina's either.

But enough of that.

[erlyrizr1]

Eb, you sure are a feisty? one. Not sure of the spelling. You know something about Bove that you want to share? I agree that she has had the benefit of the doubt for a little too long but lets see how she works with the new members. Who knows, maybe we'll have a cat fight. Meetings will be SRO.

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

I best not mention anymore about her. Cripes, I don't think Psycho could take that. It looks like I already pushed him to the edge. They'll be talking him off the ledge. Don't want that on my conscience. ;)

[Psycho1]

Bothers you that I came into your little world and exposed you.

Not in the least

Just can't shake that delusional hero status you see yourself as, can you ?

No, just not the type to sit on the sideline, and watch.


"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
Barry Goldwater

[dtwarren]

You are correct it does not mean the next board will be the the same but actions speak louder than words. The things I outlined can be accomplished very quickly and will send a message to the residents about how the new board will proceed and conduct itself, If it is not willing to do these things the ill perceptions will continue.

Also if enacted those changes could prevent some issues in later administrations.

[wnyfuture]

Where did Lazzara attend college? How come his daughter has a job where he works? How did she get the job? Where did she attend college?

[wantabe]

I'm not sure where Lazzara went to college but his daughter dropped out. She would rather to a bartender or waitress then pursue an academic path. Lazzara can do anything he wants in the town. No one stops him or questions him from doing exactly what he wants to do. They covered up the accident his daughter had with a town car so what makes you think that he has to answer for anything?! Maybe and hopefully that will change after the first of the year.

[erlyrizr1]

Psycho, just following through on the towns phone service contract. Anything to report? Looking forward to see what, if anything, you found out. I heard, and it came directly from an employee in the know (really) that this service ran the taxpayers close to $170,000. Also, from what he/she said, the phone service that the town switched from was absolutely fine. This new service still has many bugs.

[Psycho1]

Psycho, just following through on the towns phone service contract. Anything to report? Looking forward to see what, if anything, you found out. I heard, and it came directly from an employee in the know (really) that this service ran the taxpayers close to $170,000. Also, from what he/she said, the phone service that the town switched from was absolutely fine. This new service still has many bugs.

Sorry for dropping the ball, and not to make an excuse, but we have a bit of a family issue that has taken some precedent. I do know the topic came up before the at last TB meeting, but the answers were vague as usual. I will hopefully be able to refocus some of my time on the Town now that the shock of our "event" has past.

[WNYresident]

Next board meeting this monday or the next?

[Psycho1]

Next board meeting this monday or the next?

December 17, will be the final meeting of Clark's crew.

[erlyrizr1]

Sorry to hear. Hope all is well.

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

Sorry, I didn't address the phone issue you're correct. Someone else in one of the groups I work with has been looking into that issue.

Hey Erly, this was Psycho's answer almost two weeks ago to your query about the phones. With all due respect to his "event", unless this "someone else" was also affected by the misfortune he recently endured, I'd say he was blowing smoke when he answered you the first time.

[The Jokester]

Hey Erly, this was Psycho's answer almost two weeks ago to your query about the phones. With all due respect to his "event", unless this "someone else" was also affected by the misfortune he recently endured, I'd say he was blowing smoke when he answered you the first time.

You are such an ass. Talk about not getting facts before you open your mouth.

[Psycho1]

Hey Erly, this was Psycho's answer almost two weeks ago to your query about the phones. With all due respect to his "event", unless this "someone else" was also affected by the misfortune he recently endured, I'd say he was blowing smoke when he answered you the first time.

If you must know Eb, my job was eliminated on my first day back to work from a broken ankle. They couldn't terminate me while I was out on sick leave. You happy now?

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

Sorry to hear that. I don't revel in the misfortunes of others. It's truly sad when people have their liveliehoods taken away or have people messing in others.

[FisherRd]

Eb,
I had a blast yesterday afternoon! We should go meet those Town Highway workers down at the Carriage House every day for a few beers! I can't believe that a 2 1/2 ton truck could do donuts....


Is Monday the 17th the next meeting at Town Hall or is it just Clark's last? Either way, if I'm not out of town I'll be there. Every one feel free to introduce yourself. I'll be the best looking guy there besides Cyprinski.

[The Jokester]

Eb,
I had a blast yesterday afternoon! We should go meet those Town Highway workers down at the Carriage House every day for a few beers! I can't believe that a 2 1/2 ton truck could do donuts....


Is Monday the 17th the next meeting at Town Hall or is it just Clark's last? Either way, if I'm not out of town I'll be there. Every one feel free to introduce yourself. I'll be the best looking guy there besides Cyprinski.

Yeah, and while you guys are at it, ask the Town Board who paid for the WSYB to go to Niagara Falls for two days right after they got back from NYC for another "retreat", will ya? I work second shift and can't make it.

[CSense]

Yeah, and while you guys are at it, ask the Town Board who paid for the WSYB to go to Niagara Falls for two days right after they got back from NYC for another "retreat", will ya? I work second shift and can't make it.

Fr. Luv Yung Bois

[Spirit of Ebenezer]

I'll be the best looking guy there besides Cyprinski.

And I'm portrayed as insensitive. :rolleyes: