Student Tasered For Asking Sen Kerry About Voter Suppression

[Liberty8]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCBcOQkUNjI

[buffy]

that totally blows

[My2cents]

Those cops were agents of George Bush

[leftWNYbecauseofBS]

Those cops were agents of George Bush



????? Are you a retard?

[Dumbfounded]

"You don't taser or arrest someone because they're annoying...His parents should sue those police officers/department" Randi Rhodes

This was a PUBLIC forum and the police openly supressed free speech with excess force

Heard that Kerry was willing to answer the kid's question but he did not yell at the police to "leave the kid alone." What a "leader."

Officers over-reacted knowing they could have easily been captured on film.

Watch "Cops" for one week straight and say that they don't get "carried away"

I'm not a "cop-hater" and this will all "blow over" in one month tops.

The media will put its usual scummy spin on the video/story and portray this kid as an anarchist/terrorist/conspiracy nut or trying to interfere in a public forum so "he's against free speech."

Hope someone hooks those cops nads up to a car battery for a lesson in "sensitivity training."

[Timmy]

but if they can taser this one kid for being rude, speaking out of turn and trying to turn a public appearance into a protest...

where are those tasers when 10s of thousands of hispanics were protesting for amnesty and waving mexican flags

or when socialist/marxist/communist/liberals try to protest various other public appearances and dont just protest by try to prevent or take over the public appearance/meeting etc

I support free speach and the right to assemble

I think we have to fight to keep our democratic republic

Yes I think Bush will go down as the worst president for civil rights and personal freedoms...but this proves that both democrats and republicans have fascist streaks ... because Kerry could have stopped the taser and just asked for them to be removed....and of course answered the question

kerry accepted the question....and this guy should have just stated the question instead of trying to turn a question into a protest speech.

did he deserve to be tasered: NO
does he deserve a felony charge: NO
should he have been arrested: NO, not unless he has a history of public disruption

removing him would have been enough.....and kerry should have protected free speech and the student then answered the question which would have showed character.

this makes we wonder whether this nation would have been better stewarded under Kerry as the democrats say....looks like no matter who one...we would have gotten a monkey and a stupid monkey at that!

[crabapples]

Worst President for Civil Rights...... hmm I would bet anyone who had family members that were slaves would argue that every President before Lincoln had a worse civil rights record. I would say that African Americans up to the Civil Rights movement in the 50s and 60s would argue that not being able to use the same bathrooms or ride in the front of the bus like white people was worse.

Let's see.... today any legal resident of the USA has the same inherent rights, no matter race, religion, creed, color, etc, etc.

So there is more wire tapping and surveillance. Obviously the previous models didnt work and that led to 9/11. The only people who should be upset with new anti-terrorism regulations should be the terrorists and those associated with them. Its that simple. Name a Civil Right that Americans have lost in the past 20 years.

[mesue]

Student Tasered For Asking Sen Kerry About Voter Suppression

I dunno, I think he was tasered for not complying with the officers directions. Why would the student say, "Don't tazer me" if the officer hadn't warned him that this would be the consequence of further non compliance?
Where was Kerry demanding that this poor student be steated with dignity and respect if Kerry didn't think likewise with the officers? Last I heard, 6PM-ish last night, Kerry had no real comment on the matter.

[My2cents]

????? Are you a retard?
Sorry spent too much time over on the 9/11 thread.

[Dumbfounded]

Sorry spent too much time over on the 9/11 thread.

Yes. The ONLY way the officers could remove that
7 foot tall, 300 lb foaming-at-the-mouth escaped lunatic on PCP was to electrocute him so they could subdue this WWE giant

Carrying this histronic, attention-seeking jerk out of the building and keeping him out was beyond the physical abilities of the officers so they had NO choice but to taser him.

Why didn't the officers just kick him in the groin? Beat the hell out this scum who dared excercise his free speech
Maybe Kerry could have joined in

"Never question the actions of the police. They are ALWAYS right."

The officers are supposed to use tasers as a "second last resort" with guns being the last resort.
This was an act of brutality. Spin it any way you like.

[raoul duke]

the d00d was a jerk, an attention whore and/or provocateur (sp?). thats not in dispute. the taser, if i remember correctly (maybe unioncop or one of the cops on the board can back me up or correct me), was originally introduced as an alternative to using lethal force, not as a crowd control device. should cops shoot people if they verbally get out of line? seems like a pretty good way to qwell dissent, no?

[buffy]

I counted 6 cops on the guy.

6, why did they need a taser?

[My2cents]

Yes. The ONLY way the officers could remove that
7 foot tall, 300 lb foaming-at-the-mouth escaped lunatic on PCP was to electrocute him so they could subdue this WWE giant

Carrying this histronic, attention-seeking jerk out of the building and keeping him out was beyond the physical abilities of the officers so they had NO choice but to taser him.

Why didn't the officers just kick him in the groin? Beat the hell out this scum who dared excercise his free speech
Maybe Kerry could have joined in

"Never question the actions of the police. They are ALWAYS right."

The officers are supposed to use tasers as a "second last resort" with guns being the last resort.
This was an act of brutality. Spin it any way you like.

Where did you read I was defending the cops. Was this guy a disruption, yes. Was there a different way to handle this, yes. Did the police have the right to remove him, yes. Taser was a bit much.

[raoul duke]

I counted 6 cops on the guy.

6, why did they need a taser?

because people aren't comfortable with the cops just shooting the twit, just yet. give it time, i suppose.

[mesue]

I counted 6 cops on the guy.

6, why did they need a taser?
Did you see how this kid was? He was flopping like a fish out of water. As soon as her broke free from the officers the first time he ran. There was not a whole lot of room to bring this kid under control between the isles of that auditorium. They warned him to comply, leading to his "Don't use the tazer" plea. Yet the kid still didn't comply. What were the officers to do? Six officers should have just stood up, put their hands in the air and said "You're right, son, go in peace and sin no more." and let the kid go? That would lead to mayhem.
I think the officers did the best they could do given the situation they were in. It isn't as if all six officers tazed him, or worse beat the snot out of him.

[Eat My Gun]

The question is, why were the police involved in the first place? I don't think that the kid broke a single law. Last time I checked, asking annoying questions and failure to step away from the microphone weren't against the law. The police might be able to swing a bogus disorderly conduct charge, but in an open question and answer forum getting a conviction will be rough.

As for the tazer, it's purpose is to subdue a subject without police having to resort to using physical force where the potential for injury to the police and the subject is greater.

In this case, however, the police were already on top of the kid and using physical force, making the use of the tazer appear punitive.

What's interesting about the video is hearing the audience cheer when the cops begin to remove the kid from the microphone and then watching those cheers turn to yelling in defense of him and against the action of the police. Could that be an indication that the police actions when from reasonable---escorting the kid away from the microphone, to unreasonable---a six cop arrest complete with takedown and tazer shot...?

[run4it]

The REAL question is, did they throw him through the window of a car before taking him to the hospital?

[CSense]

Who was that said you can resist an unlawful arrest? This would be a reason why you don't.

[buffy]

with 6 cops, why not just hancuff the guy, 6 cops ought to be able to get hancuffs on him, could have even hog tied him if they wanted to...I agree that it looked punitive.

[Dumbfounded]

with 6 cops, why not just hancuff the guy, 6 cops ought to be able to get hancuffs on him, could have even hog tied him if they wanted to...I agree that it looked punitive.




ONE cop-TWO tops (for "safety") could have restrained and taken the kid out of the hall.

No. They had to attack this wimpy skinny kid like rabid NFL linebackers.

Even after playing "Devil's advocate" and trying to excercise as much empathy I can from the perspective of the police at the scene, I can't think of ONE logical, rational excuse for the actions of the police

Maybe the police could have just shot him and SWORE they "thought he was pulling out a gun."

Of course ONE of the many opposing spins on this disgusting incident will be that this is "anti-police" or "anti-authority";"Cop-hating" which it is not;Its a law-enforcement abuse issue

God forbid that the police should have to experience one iota of the shame, degradation and humiliation that us "common folk" do.


Expect the media to take the "higher authority's" side or the side of "justice" for the police, not the student-The media coverage for the most part will be subdued so Americans don't get angry, incensed and go out and protest.

[Habermill]

The question is, why were the police involved in the first place? I don't think that the kid broke a single law. Last time I checked, asking annoying questions and failure to step away from the microphone weren't against the law. The police might be able to swing a bogus disorderly conduct charge, but in an open question and answer forum getting a conviction will be rough.

As for the tazer, it's purpose is to subdue a subject without police having to resort to using physical force where the potential for injury to the police and the subject is greater.

In this case, however, the police were already on top of the kid and using physical force, making the use of the tazer appear punitive.

What's interesting about the video is hearing the audience cheer when the cops begin to remove the kid from the microphone and then watching those cheers turn to yelling in defense of him and against the action of the police. Could that be an indication that the police actions when from reasonable---escorting the kid away from the microphone, to unreasonable---a six cop arrest complete with takedown and tazer shot...?

Make your own determination but I personally feel Kerry should have been tasered and not the student!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lpMSNjXhhhg

[govtchecker]

Those cops were agents of George Bush

How in the blue moon are local cops in Florida agents of President Bush. Its amazing how many things he gets blamed for yet, is called stupid. Just amazing.

[seattletobuffalo]

Police should relazie that you do not taser people in public, wait till you get them back to the cell, than tazer them. Since it was obviously just to punish the kid, why not do that stuff in private. I have seen this same sh-t at protests. 6 cops taking down a protester that is 60 years old woman and already laying on the ground. They get out the pepper spray and actually try to hurt people. why not just ask the protester standing in your way to put the cuffs on and get into the car, instead they spray pepper spray shoot rubber bullets and use flash bang grenades and tear gas. Than the cops get into a frenzy and start attacking anyone in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I was in Seattle during the WTO riots. Just don;t try to walk home from work, or else you are getting attacked by cops. It is not there fault it is how they are trained. Kick as and ask questions later.

[huh]

if you watch the clip that liberty posted the one in the back pulls out his gun and after a couple seconds reholsters it (standard procedure?)

[Dumbfounded]

Police should relazie that you do not taser people in public, wait till you get them back to the cell, than tazer them. Since it was obviously just to punish the kid, why not do that stuff in private. I have seen this same sh-t at protests. 6 cops taking down a protester that is 60 years old woman and already laying on the ground. They get out the pepper spray and actually try to hurt people. why not just ask the protester standing in your way to put the cuffs on and get into the car, instead they spray pepper spray shoot rubber bullets and use flash bang grenades and tear gas. Than the cops get into a frenzy and start attacking anyone in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I was in Seattle during the WTO riots. Just don;t try to walk home from work, or else you are getting attacked by cops. It is not there fault it is how they are trained. Kick as and ask questions later.


Don't the police have some kind of process in which they can make suggestions to alter/update standard operating procedure?

I thought that law enforcement was KIND OF a "science" tempered or restrained by professional human judgement that can instinctively react to a "crisis situation" with incredible skill. Those traits are SUPPOSED to be the hallmark of the police.

Have to go!
"Cops" is on! Tonight's "Cops" is supposed to have TEN cops tackling an 80-year-old lady caught shoplifting! She gets tasered, pepper-sprayed, beaten by tonfas, nightstics and kicked while she's handcuffed on the ground!


**********New police show coming to "Fox" called "Stormtroopers."
The police randomly pick houses, break down the door, beat, humiliate and arrest the "suspects" and
in another NEW "Fox" reality show, the "suspects" from "Stormtroopers" are tried on
"Kangaroo Court!"************

I know that we need police to keep our society safe from REAL criminals and from turning into total anarchy while admitting that there are a disproportionately high number of power drunk officers. And you know that this is true.

Aside from the crying criminals and some other filth, sometimes, maybe-Just MAYBE there's a reason that so many people have angry, hateful things to say about the police and the tragedy is, there are so many decent police officers who can't speak up due to the "omerta" of the Blue Brotherhood.