Run Mr.Ward - run !

[4248]

Was that some hint of support for Mr.Giza in Mr. Chowaniec's article/comments ?


I for one would vote for Mr.Ward if he can promise just one thing -
Open - Honest Local Government .


Unlike our 27 year "seasoned" Bureaucrat Mr.Giza -


I believe a Town Supervisor should not be a "Carreer Politician"


The Town Supervisor's position used to be "Part-time" and should be again . At present - he is a overpaid Public Relations Rep. for Developers .


How many actual "Tax altering decisions" has the Supervisor ever made - without the Town Attorney and Town Board ? NONE !


How many patronage jobs has he ever spoke up against ? NONE !


27 years on public / political welfare is nothing to brag about - but what else can he claim ?


He has developed "Connections" - with Developers - and others who have exploited our Town and for 27 years he helped raise our taxes .



Supervisor Bob Giza has - insulted , belittled and trivialized any and every tax payer who disagreed with any thing he's done .


Supervisor Giza has helped create , fund (with tax dollars) and approve more "Patronage" appointments in 27 years than anyone else in Lancaster's History. Including the Summer Jobs program for family members of Lancaster,s "well connected".


He and his friends have transformed Lancaster , from a quiet , easy going , affordable Town - into over crowded roads - low water pressure - bloated Government - and the pleasure of ever increasing taxes .


If Mr.Ward can actually look at saving tax dollars .


If he can Honestly see the need for "Smart Growth"


If he can even stymie the rubber stamp Town Board long enough to cause public interest - to cause the Media to truly pay attention to the tax payers point of view -


If Lancaster's voters would for once not just vote for their friends - If the Voters would just for once help break the one Party grip on this Town !


No , I am not saying one new Guy or Gal can do it all !


The Republican Party as it stands cant be trusted !


The Current Democratic Committee is all about "Controlling Town Jobs" and who gets them .


But maybe if we actually Voted for "Change."
thats what we would have - "Change"


One seat at a time - different Party's when ever possible - different viewpoints - Then we might have Politicians who act on the tax payers behalf for "Fear" of losing their "Job."






These three words should never be associated ,


Politician-Job-Carreer



What happened to "Elected Representative."


It is not fair to blame the system when you don't support it !




:D

[Foot Fungus]

OK, so Ward runs against Giza. Where are the Republican challengers to the rest of the Town Board members? You have to love the Lancaster political system.

Let's hope that at the very least, if Ward was to win, that the meetings are finally broadcast on cable so that people can see that only one rubber stamp was removed.

Who am I kidding, nobody in Lancaster would watch it anyway. Sigh.:(

[4248]

It isn't about which Party endorses who !



Thats what got us in the fix were in now . We have to break the "Political recycling" pattern .

We see it every where - one goes in - another moves into another spot . We vote one out - he pops up in another Town or Department .

Thats all you will ever have if you support the "Party System." That has to change - vote in someone new - trust change to bring about change .

They want us to point fingers - complain - pay taxes and then vote for who ever they put in front of us .

If the "Party Loyalist" always end up choosing the Candidates - is that ever going to end up being our choice - we settle - either on "Party Lines" or "The lesser of two evils."


Break the chain - send a true message .

If the Voters for once would stand behind and along side their choices - then those who want the "Seat" will either perform as tax payer "Representatives" - or get Voted out by us and replaced by the Voters - not the "Party Backers."

Depew is now seeing it can be done - there are Voters all over this over taxed State of ours - who feel the same way -

Vote - N.O.T.A. or Vote for the "New Guy" stop looking for reasons to except the Status Quo .


:D


OK, so Ward runs against Giza. Where are the Republican challengers to the rest of the Town Board members? You have to love the Lancaster political system.

Let's hope that at the very least, if Ward was to win, that the meetings are finally broadcast on cable so that people can see that only one rubber stamp was removed.

Who am I kidding, nobody in Lancaster would watch it anyway. Sigh.:(

[Joesph1319]

I think this guy Ward, from what I heard about him, wont take any crap from the town board. He stands for good issues and he is a young guy thats very intelligent. I guess he works with surgeons, so he must be pretty smart. I think we should all make a stand and vote for him no matter who his party is. My vote is for this guy! He is also a former Marine!!

[Joesph1319]

Lancaster Volunteer Firemen are for Jim Ward for Town Supervisor!
We need to back this guy to get rid of that old man Giza!
I urge everyone to stand up and fight against the same old stuff in Lancaster, and vote for Jim Ward! I

[Foot Fungus]

Originally Posted by Joseph1319

I think this guy Ward, from what I heard about him, wont take any crap from the town board. He stands for good issues and he is a young guy thats very intelligent. I guess he works with surgeons, so he must be pretty smart. I think we should all make a stand and vote for him no matter who his party is. My vote is for this guy! He is also a former Marine!!

Unfortunately no one is hearing much about him except for the spoo printed in the Lancaster Bee. It would be good to see Mr. Ward at a Town Board meeting or two addressing these issues that he stands for, these issues are addressed and rubber stamped every few weeks, his input might be helpful in creating a presence for himself in the Town. I could give a rat's patoo which party he is associated with. I'll be looking for him at the next meeting.

As for making a stand, I'll throw him my vote if he is a viable candidate. If not I'll write in my vote for whatever lower form of life I feel deserving at that time. The last thing I want to see is more ridiculous party incest in Lancaster. Let Mr. Ward speak and hopefully he will be able to make a difference.

[Joesph1319]

If we dont get Jim Ward in, then we have no room to complain about things!

[Joesph1319]

Who cares if he shows up at a town board meeting??? I wouldnt go either right now and tip my hand on what I would do. 12 years ago, some guy didnt campaign until the last month and won the election. If I was Ward, I would do the same thing. People are so sick of Giza, they would vote in a monkey over him. Plus, all the Firemen are going to back Ward,so that might be enough right there!!!!!

[Joesph1319]

This guy Ward is a former Marine with an MBA???? Does this make him a political sniper....lol. What a deadly combination for our local politics!!!

[Joesph1319]

If anyone else lives in Lancaster, lets here your thoughts on this new guy Ward!

[Joesph1319]

I would like to see the news do an interview with Ward to hear how he will change Lancaster.....

[Joesph1319]

Maybe we could get Ward to be County Executive....dont have many choices there!!!!

[4248]

From what I heard he has been doing a little door to door. The problem with that is obvious - the Political hacks will aim him toward the "Republican" areas of Town . They will discourage him from "reaching out" to other areas.

Mr.Ward - or anyone who knows him(personally) should explain the need to ignore the "Past Habits" of sham Campaigns. He needs to start right now being "His own man" -

Reach out to Non-Party Voters - Blanks and other than the prime voters.(If your using the Board of Elections list).

The list you get from the Local Republicans will be almost useless - its created by R.Mohr and will contain many "Invalid-Incorrect names"

Create your own group of supporters that should whenever possible - walk and Campaign with you. (witnesses are a good thing)

Present hand outs that you your self believe in . Don't let the Party "Provide the issues" - stick to what you know to be true tax payers concerns & and yours.

I agree he should go to Town Hall on some T.Board meeting nights - but not enter the Meeting room. Would you walk into Taminy Hall if you were a Republican . They will have people there to harass you - Developers to intimidate - and workers who fear losing there "Patronage appointments."

He should greet tax payers at the steps - exchange ideas and platform info - then leave . Its not important for him to meet those on the Board - he is their enemy (In their minds)!

Most of all he needs clear issues/solutions - Honest answers - Campaign on his own merit , not Party lines - finally Mr.Ward beware of those who claim to support you - if they aren't family , they have an agenda.


Just My thoughts!









Unfortunately no one is hearing much about him except for the spoo printed in the Lancaster Bee. It would be good to see Mr. Ward at a Town Board meeting or two addressing these issues that he stands for, these issues are addressed and rubber stamped every few weeks, his input might be helpful in creating a presence for himself in the Town. I could give a rat's patoo which party he is associated with. I'll be looking for him at the next meeting.

As for making a stand, I'll throw him my vote if he is a viable candidate. If not I'll write in my vote for whatever lower form of life I feel deserving at that time. The last thing I want to see is more ridiculous party incest in Lancaster. Let Mr. Ward speak and hopefully he will be able to make a difference.

[Joesph1319]

I heard he is running on his own views and not the "Republican" views. I also heard he has been going door to door and my neighbor actually spoke with him last week.

I dont care if the guy ever shows up at town hall, as long as he will change things when he gets elected.

I also heard that his whole family lives in different parts of Lancaster and that his father is also a volunteer firemen. If this is true, he should have a huge following without every seeing one of his signs.

From what I have heard so far, he has my vote. I just hope he runs!!!

[Joesph1319]

I also heard that he is not having any help from the republican party and that he is going solo and doing his own thing. If this is tru, how refreshing would that be.....wow!

[Foot Fungus]

Joseph1319,

Hang in there buddy, there's a lot of folks around here that have been led around by The Lancaster Republican Party (party and non party affiliated) only to watch the party support not show up and the candidates, for good or bad, hanging in the breeze. Is The Builder ripe for a takedown? Yep. Time will tell if Mr. Ward can put up the opposition to end the Giza reign, but this pup's going to wait and see what the man has to say before he places his support anywhere.

Just remember, the Town Supervisor is the only position on the Town Board being challenged. Ward better be ready to fight, and he's going to need the community behind him as he's out voted on everything from the outset. Only a very loud voice of the community will change the voting outcome from the rest of the annointed board, and that voice is about as loud as a feather hitting the ground. Sad but true.

[4248]

Lets say were lucky and Mr.Ward wins!

2008 is just around the corner.

If the voters support and publicly back Mr.Ward he will have another new Board Member to help him in 2008.

The main thing is for Supervisor Ward to feed his issues/views to the press. Also Tax payers to write letters and be at Town Board Meetings to back him up .

The Party People and developers are always there - will the voters be there ?

:D




Joseph1319,

Hang in there buddy, there's a lot of folks around here that have been led around by The Lancaster Republican Party (party and non party affiliated) only to watch the party support not show up and the candidates, for good or bad, hanging in the breeze. Is The Builder ripe for a takedown? Yep. Time will tell if Mr. Ward can put up the opposition to end the Giza reign, but this pup's going to wait and see what the man has to say before he places his support anywhere.

Just remember, the Town Supervisor is the only position on the Town Board being challenged. Ward better be ready to fight, and he's going to need the community behind him as he's out voted on everything from the outset. Only a very loud voice of the community will change the voting outcome from the rest of the annointed board, and that voice is about as loud as a feather hitting the ground. Sad but true.

[Joesph1319]

First things first, we have to make sure Ward wins and Giza looses. So I think its up to us to start spreading the word when we can. I personally know of three new subdivisions that are going to vote for Ward, and add the firemen to the mix, and Giza is in trouble already. The only thing that scares me is common sense is not common in Lancaster!

[Foot Fungus]

Originally Posted by Joseph1319

I personally know of three new subdivisions that are going to vote for Ward, and add the firemen to the mix, and Giza is in trouble already.

Three "new subdivisions" are for the candidate that is going to fight sprawl in Lancaster? Joseph1319, you might serve the campaigning here a bit better by writing that three "neighborhoods" that you know of are going to vote for Ward. You are feeding the big bad Giza machine.

[4248]

Neighborhoods - are usually areas where homes are connected by common streets - sidewalks - schools and other open community areas . Its more about a "Feeling" of Community.

The Lancaster Town Government has succeeded in doing the opposite . They have ignored requests from taxpayers to have developers inter connect , or develop common walking areas from one subdivision to another. Sidewalks - where installed - usually end at the roads that enter of leave each subdivision.

Some roads are put into the plans that inter connect in a few areas. Those roads are usually built to facilitate the traffic these subdivisions create.They are in no way designed to ad a " Neighborhood feeling "

Inhabitants of these Subdivisions are separated from the "Community." even when it comes to buying food , entertainment or careers - they usually travel outside the Town . Or they go to the transit strip - built by many of the same developers.

This present Lancaster Government - has drained the Village of its past and most likely future ! They have served the Developers. Never have they helped create a "Neighborhood."

This present Lancaster Government and the controlling members have created a tax payer funded personal employment agency !






Three "new subdivisions" are for the candidate that is going to fight sprawl in Lancaster? Joseph1319, you might serve the campaigning here a bit better by writing that three "neighborhoods" that you know of are going to vote for Ward. You are feeding the big bad Giza machine.

[Foot Fungus]

Originally Posted by 4248

Neighborhoods - are usually areas where homes are connected by common streets - sidewalks - schools and other open community areas . Its more about a "Feeling" of Community.

I'll remember that every time I drive by the new subdivision at Broadway and Bowen whose driveway sign reads "A Private Community".:D


The Lancaster Town Government has succeeded in doing the opposite . They have ignored requests from taxpayers to have developers inter connect , or develop common walking areas from one subdivision to another. Sidewalks - where installed - usually end at the roads that enter of leave each subdivision.

Sidewalks cost developers money, who are you to raise the cost of these developments (or amount of profits) just so people don't have to walk in traffic.:D


Some roads are put into the plans that inter connect in a few areas. Those roads are usually built to facilitate the traffic these subdivisions create.They are in no way designed to ad a " Neighborhood feeling "

I always thought that subdivisions were interconnected due to the lack of main north/south and east/west main roads in the town. You know, the ones that were an afterthought to all of the residential development. Wait! Did you just hear that sound? It was another "new subdivision" resident requesting that the Town Board grant them a new stop sign. Don't worry, it's all just a part of the "fine-tuning" that happens in the "new Lancaster subdivisions". Can't they just make straight roads anymore? It makes drag racing easier.:D


Inhabitants of these Subdivisions are separated from the "Community." even when it comes to buying food , entertainment or careers - they usually travel outside the Town . Or they go to the transit strip - built by many of the same developers.

But we have one hell of a lot of pizza.


This present Lancaster Government - has drained the Village of its past and most likely future ! They have served the Developers. Never have they helped create a "Neighborhood."

Lancaster has a village?


This present Lancaster Government and the controlling members have created a tax payer funded personal employment agency !

And you'd think that the way people complain around here that they haven't created any jobs.:eek:

[pudge]

Joseph1319 wrote:


I think this guy Ward, from what I heard about him, won’t take any crap from the town board. He stands for good issues and he is a young guy thats very intelligent. I guess he works with surgeons, so he must be pretty smart. I think we should all make a stand and vote for him no matter who his party is. My vote is for this guy! He is also a former Marine!!

Who cares if he shows up at a town board meeting??? I wouldnt go either right now and tip my hand on what I would do. 12 years ago, some guy didnt campaign until the last month and won the election. If I was Ward, I would do the same thing. People are so sick of Giza, they would vote in a monkey over him. Plus, all the Firemen are going to back Ward,so that might be enough right there!!!!!

First things first, we have to make sure Ward wins and Giza looses. So I think its up to us to start spreading the word when we can. I personally know of three new subdivisions that are going to vote for Ward, and add the firemen to the mix, and Giza is in trouble already. The only thing that scares me is common sense is not common in Lancaster!
Sir, I would like to see many changes take place in Lancaster. However, it is my opinion that if you have anything to do with Ward’s campaign, he could be in trouble.

If people are so inclined to vote for a monkey over Giza, it doesn’t matter what you say. You have them in your pocket.

If you believe all blanks think that way, you are in for a rude awakening. A lot of blanks that were living here when the last supervisor race took place got burned by your Party hierarchy who turned on its own candidate and overall ran an ineffective campaign. Jessica and Ralphie boy are personas non-gratis to a lot of us blanks.


I heard he is running on his own views and not the "Republican" views. I also heard he has been going door to door and my neighbor actually spoke with him last week.

What the hell are his views? And for you to say that he doesn’t have to go to board meetings and give his hand away is ludicrous. You want us to vote for him because he is against uncontrolled growth, has the support of individuals that live in new subdivisions, and then we find he lives in Summerfield Farms. That is oxymoronic.

What indeed has he learned about politics in Lancaster if he does not attend town, planning board or zoning board meetings. Don’t tell me he is getting all his information from the Lancaster Bee, the sanitized town bought newspaper.

It’s a long way to election time, but don’t feed this guy a line that we have no right to complain about anything if we don’t vote for Ward. We don’t know squat about this guy’s political viewpoints.

Geez, and this comes from a guy like me that would like to see change. However, I would not vote for a monkey against Giza, and a Party that can only come up with one candidate to run for three town board positions, and that candidate didn’t even know he was in the running, leaves a lot to be desired.

Maybe if you can’t come up with any good points to bring forward on Ward (besides he’s a marine and works with surgeons) you should keep him locked away in a closet!

[Joesph1319]

I wish I was running Wards campaign, but you cant link this guy to the party when he himself abandoned it! All I know is we need to bring this guy out to the public for all to see. This guy has an MBA, so I'm sure he knows how to run a business. From what I am told by others, he might not even campaign because his party didnt like the fact that he is going Rambo on this and not seeking their help. If this is so, I like the guy already. Why does it matter where he lives???? If he sees the problem of the growth and how its not smart and fixes it, who cares. Im sure a guy of his stature wont be living in a shack. One of my neighbors told me that Ward use to have a TV show with Rob Ray? Anyone know if thats true?

[4248]

Joseph1319 wrote:


A lot of blanks that were living here when the last supervisor race took place got burned by your Party hierarchy who turned on its own candidate and overall ran an ineffective campaign. Jessica and Ralphie boy are personas non-gratis to a lot of us blanks.

Pudge - how do you know Mr. Joseph is part of or speaks for the Republican Committee ?

Anyone who knows the current and recent past GOP committee leaders - knows their self serving deal makers , with no regards for Republican Ideals or Candidates.


What the hell are his views? And for you to say that he doesn’t have to go to board meetings and give his hand away is ludicrous. You want us to vote for him because he is against uncontrolled growth, has the support of individuals that live in new subdivisions, and then we find he lives in Summerfield Farms. That is oxymoronic.

The fact that Mr.Ward resides in Summerfields - only verifies he's a resident - nothing more.

Smart Growth - doesn't mean no Growth . Going to Town Board Meetings - to be told what will be done to our Town or to engage in uncontrolled debate would be as you say "Ludicrous."

What indeed has he learned about politics in Lancaster if he does not attend town, planning board or zoning board meetings. Don’t tell me he is getting all his information from the Lancaster Bee, the sanitized town bought newspaper.

You seemed to - you believed every word of what Giza said in the Buff News and the Lancaster (Officially Paid with tax dollars) Bee. You have no idea what transpired between Mr.Ward and Mr.Giza - but you recite the story as if you knew it was factual.

Your opinions are yours . How many times over the years have you personally been at Town Board meetings and seen any present Town Board , Planning Board or zoning board members - there Campaigning for their positions or debating with Board Members on the steps of Town Hall ----Prior to their Appointments or being Elected ?

It’s a long way to election time, but don’t feed this guy a line that we have no right to complain about anything if we don’t vote for Ward. We don’t know squat about this guy’s political viewpoints.

As we the readers don't know your true Political Views or voting habits. At least he's going door to door trying to present those views.

Geez, and this comes from a guy like me that would like to see change. However, I would not vote for a monkey against Giza, and a Party that can only come up with one candidate to run for three town board positions, and that candidate didn’t even know he was in the running, leaves a lot to be desired.

First this isn't about the Republican Committee - even though your trying to inject that .

Have you truly supported Political change by your own actions in the past ? Just a question - calm down - no offense intended.:)

Maybe if you can’t come up with any good points to bring forward on Ward (besides he’s a marine and works with surgeons) you should keep him locked away in a closet!

Again - you insult Mr.Ward because you know nothing about him and you don't like the fact he is endorsed by Lancaster Republican Committee.



I am sure Mr.Ward is intelligent enough to see whats happening in Lancaster. As well as being able and interested in the future of his community - enough to subject himself to running the gauntlet of a Campaign.

Last point -The Republican Committee that endorsed him , framed his endorsement as a last minute event. They are useless - they will probably hurt him because people like you will attach him to them mind and body.

I applaud MR.Ward for making an effort most residents wouldnt have the time or balls to attempt.

This is truly a "Underdog", who despite his only endorsement being from a bunch of rollover - recycled Democratic Committee Members & supporters led by the master of Republican Committee sabotage R.M. ----Despite all this - this guy MR.Ward is still willing to put himself and his family on the street for people like you and me !

Stuff like your post is and has been a great deterrent to potential new Candidates. Get on the phone and call Mr.Ward - have a coffee with the guy - stop looking for reasons to avert change.

Maybe if voters finally backed a new candidate - stayed supportive after the elections - you could actually have a base to launch a truly diverse Independent Party. Most of candidats problem stems from before and after the elections - New Candidates and Elected Members find more emotional and Financial support coming from Status Quo proponents and Developers with deep pockets.


Maybe if voters changed their habits - you would have actual change.

Look at Depew - new ideas can work !


The majority of your post sounds like you had a bad day!


Maybe your the one who should be as you said, "locked in the closet!"



:D
:)

[Foot Fungus]

Originally Posted by Joseph1319

I wish I was running Wards campaign, but you cant link this guy to the party when he himself abandoned it!

If this is true, he should let it be known. I hope that when I pull my usual anti-Giza lever in the Fall that there is no (R) after his name as you say.


All I know is we need to bring this guy out to the public for all to see.

Agreed. Get his can down to the Bee to ask for his equal air time. But beware, there might be someone staring over the editor's shoulder.


This guy has an MBA, so I'm sure he knows how to run a business.

So does George W. Bush and he couldn't keep any business afloat. Moot point.


From what I am told by others, he might not even campaign because his party didnt like the fact that he is going Rambo on this and not seeking their help. If this is so, I like the guy already.

He's going to be a candidate that does not campaign? And his views are...? Rambo took on the entire country of Afghanistan (in a fictional story, of course), yet Jim Ward is afraid to go to a Town Board meeting?


Why does it matter where he lives???? If he sees the problem of the growth and how its not smart and fixes it, who cares. Im sure a guy of his stature wont be living in a shack.

The point that is being made is that this is how the Gizites will attack him. If you were running his campaign, I'm sure that the Gizites would also be looking at the Villages (Giza strongholds) in their old decrepit shacks and telling them that Jim Ward thinks you are dumb, brainless and dim-witted. The inferences that the people buying big homes=they are intelligent=they will vote against Giza because they are smarter than the idiotic po' folk of Lancaster's past is pure folly.

The way I see it, he better rally the people in the "new subdivisions". If they would have shown up the last time, Giza would have been gone years ago. The "Me Generation" that seems to inhabit these large, expensive, smart people dwellings is much more interested in a baseball game, hockey game or hanging out drinking a few cold ones in front of the driveway firecan than taking five minutes from their lives to vote. I've seen it, I know. Taking voter registration cards with him is probably a really good idea. Make sure they register as blanks, so the Gizites have to spend more money on campaign literature (I like that).


One of my neighbors told me that Ward use to have a TV show with Rob Ray? Anyone know if thats true?

I hope it was a "reality" show as these Ward posts lately are a bit "unreal".

All in all, I'd love to sit down with Mr. Ward, and I'm sure that somewhere down the line I will, but let's hope that he will get information out there about the failures of the current administration and not the same old crap about smart growth, it's way past that. Remember, if Ward does win, he's a one vote guy on a rubber stamp board. The only way that he will be able to change anything is with many people standing behind him, which means getting out as much information as possible. A good start to getting informed might be a long trip through the SpeakUp archives and another long trip through this message board. There's some good stuff on here.

[pudge]

Hey 4248:

Interesting that my post was directed to Joseph 1319 and you found it necessary to respond. More interesting is that is was meant to be constructive criticism and that seemed to have eluded even you.

We have a common goal in that we would both like to see political change in the Lancaster government, a government with Democrats on the Town, Planning Board and Zoning Board of Appeals. That’s not a healthy situation, at least in the opinion of this "blank".

I don’t care if a Republican or Democrat fills a political seat as long as they have soe understanding of what’s going on in their municipality and serve for its best interests rather than their own.

I have never been Party affiliated because I believed they all feed from the same trough, especially in today’s world when they change Party’s to further their careers and agendas.

You appear to be a die-hard Republican. In all the years I have lived in Lancaster, I have voted predominantly Republican, being more conservative in my thinking. The Republican Party lost any semblance of principals in the last decade and as they say, “left me”.

So until you rabid Ward supporters claimed he was a rogue and is disassociating himself from the Republican Party and their self-serving ideals, your words of encouragement to support him did not hold much water.

As to the statements made in the 4248 post:

4248
Pudge - how do you know Mr. Joseph is part of or speaks for the Republican Committee ?
Never said he was!
4248
Anyone who knows the current and recent past GOP committee leaders - knows their self serving deal makers , with no regards for Republican Ideals or Candidates.
Here we are in total agreement!
4248
pudge wrote: What the hell are his views? And for you to say that he doesn’t have to go to board meetings and give his hand away is ludicrous. You want us to vote for him because he is against uncontrolled growth, has the support of individuals that live in new subdivisions, and then we find he lives in Summerfield Farms. That is oxymoronic.
The fact that Mr.Ward resides in Summerfields - only verifies he's a resident - nothing more.
Believe me, the Dem's will use this against you big time!
4248
Smart Growth - doesn't mean no growth.
Again, we agree!
4248 pudge wrote:
What indeed has he learned about politics in Lancaster if he does not attend town, planning board or zoning board meetings. Don’t tell me he is getting all his information from the Lancaster Bee, the sanitized town bought newspaper.
You seemed to - you believed every word of what Giza said in the Buff News and the Lancaster (Officially Paid with tax dollars) Bee. You have no idea what transpired between Mr.Ward and Mr.Giza - but you recite the story as if you knew it was factual.
I expressed that I have no faith in what’s published in the Bee, the Buffalo News is another story. However, where is the rebuttal from Ward if the context of the stories were misleading?
4248
Your opinions are yours
Well, you got that right!
4248 pudge wrote:
It’s a long way to election time, but don’t feed this guy a line that we have no right to complain about anything if we don’t vote for Ward. We don’t know squat about this guy’s political viewpoints.
4248 wrote:
As we the readers don't know your true Political Views or voting habits. At least he's going door to door trying to present those views.
I explained my political views off the beginning. I vote who I believe the best candidate is. Ward needs to prove he is a better candidate than Giza – which should be easy to do! Well, he has 17,000 households to visit, good luck. Looking forward to meeting him.
4248
First this isn't about the Republican Committee - even though your trying to inject that
No? Lets see, he’s endorsed by the Republican Party (but doesn’t know about it) doesn’t publicly state that his campaign will have nothing to do with the Republican Party, or that no financial support will be coming from them. If it walks like a duck...

4248 pudge:
Maybe if you can’t come up with any good points to bring forward on Ward (besides he’s a marine and works with surgeons) you should keep him locked away in a closet!

4248 responded:
Again - you insult Mr.Ward because you know nothing about him and you don't like the fact he is endorsed by Lancaster Republican Committee.

Insulted him how? So far I have not heard one word from Ward supporters suggesting any reason why I should vote for him except that he’s a nice guy, intelligent, a tough minded Marine, works with a surgeon and is scaring the crap out of Giza. It’s going to take a lot more than that to defeat the well moneyed and well-organized Democratic machine that will eat his lunch if he doesn’t start bringing his platform to the forefront; thoughts on property taxes, traffic, traffic safety, infrastructure improvements for accommodating growth, water pressure issues, master plan revisions to stop rezones from taking place, etc. It’s early yet, hopefully those things will come. But don’t tell me I would be better off voting for a monkey than for Giza – especially when the Republican Party could not get candidates to challenge the two town board members up for re-election.

4248:
Stuff like your post is and has been a great deterrent to potential new Candidates.

Really? Petitions and endorsements were made before my comments were posted. Explain please.

[Foot Fungus]

Originally posted by 4248 in response to pudge (as much as he doesn't need defense from the likes of me)

The fact that Mr.Ward resides in Summerfields - only verifies he's a resident - nothing more.

But you know very well that this is going to be used against him by the Gizites. I would if I was them.


Smart Growth - doesn't mean no Growth . Going to Town Board Meetings - to be told what will be done to our Town or to engage in uncontrolled debate would be as you say "Ludicrous."

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If Ward is going to be fronting a rubber stamp board that will fight him at every step if he tries to deviate from the status quo, he better be ready to engage in debate now and better understand what's really in front of him. Now don't get me wrong here. I've watched Satish Mohan, a political rookie, and as much as he means to do well, and does seem to be making some change there (with more support than Ward would ever have here), he does come across as a fish out of water. Not a good thing if you're looking to pick up seats in the future (the only way a change can truly be achieved in this town).


You seemed to - you believed every word of what Giza said in the Buff News and the Lancaster (Officially Paid with tax dollars) Bee. You have no idea what transpired between Mr.Ward and Mr.Giza - but you recite the story as if you knew it was factual.

Reading Pudge's posts, I don't think he believes anything that comes from Giza's mouth or the Lancaster Bee (same thing really).


Your opinions are yours . How many times over the years have you personally been at Town Board meetings and seen any present Town Board , Planning Board or zoning board members - there Campaigning for their positions or debating with Board Members on the steps of Town Hall ----Prior to their Appointments or being Elected ?

They don't need to. When an inbred party system does not support the sacrificial lamb candidates, there is no reason for debate. And it's a real shame too, because there are some members of this board that don't like debate. They are very comfortable behind their little desks, but when you take away the safety net, they become very uncomfortable. Odd how one of them will be running unopposed this November (no need to feel uncomfortable when you are a part of the two party/one party system).


First this isn't about the Republican Committee - even though your trying to inject that .

You might say that about me also. Couldn't be farther from the truth. It's about the system as a whole. It's obvious from your posts that you understand that. Hopefully you will also understand the skepticism about any candidate that carries an R or D designation. There is no difference between the two anymore. If Ward is going to distance himself from the party, let him do so. Personally, I hope he does, it can only help his chances.


I am sure Mr.Ward is intelligent enough to see whats happening in Lancaster. As well as being able and interested in the future of his community - enough to subject himself to running the gauntlet of a Campaign.

If Lancaster residents were intelligent enough to see what's happening in Lancaster, they'd be lining up with tar and feathers ever first and third Monday at the Town Hall. There isn't a day that goes by that I don't hear people (some in the "new subdivisions"-the smart people) griping about taxes, traffic, schools etc., yet the outcry of the public to town officials is non existent. You can hear the collective echo of their silence in the Town Hall chambers (let's see what happens at the next Town Board meeting. There's a lot of folks off Michael Anthony that think that another new donut shop is going to create a traffic hazard for them. Will they be there to tell this board "Hey! think about the people that live here, not the corporate donut machine!", or will they just accept the traffic). People don't like to get off their duff for the un-fun duty of helping their community even when it directly effects them. The parties know that. The parties count on that.


Last point -The Republican Committee that endorsed him , framed his endorsement as a last minute event.

Yes they did, probably as an answer to those that are calling them to the carpet for being part of the inbred system. Why not. They run one candidate knowing that he will have no power anyway as he will be outvoted at every turn. And they won't support him anyway, but at least they can say they tried.


They are useless

Yes, they are.


they will probably hurt him because people like you will attach him to them mind and body.

Yes, they will. That's the point and they know it (although I don't see pudge falling into the sheep category).


Stuff like your post is and has been a great deterrent to potential new Candidates.

I'm really confused on that. Pudge's posts have been against the status quo of the town since I've been reading these boards.


Maybe if voters finally backed a new candidate - stayed supportive after the elections - you could actually have a base to launch a truly diverse Independent Party. Most of candidats problem stems from before and after the elections - New Candidates and Elected Members find more emotional and Financial support coming from Status Quo proponents and Developers with deep pockets.

Maybe if voters changed their habits - you would have actual change.

A miracle of the likes that could only be performed by St. WalMart. Unfortunately that one doesn't come cheap.


The majority of your post sounds like you had a bad day!

I guess that's really the reason I'm writing this (finally the jackass gets to the point). I don't think pudge was having a bad day. Seems to me like he's looking at this from a real world perspective instead of beating the "I heard" drum. Like him, I would like to hear what Mr. Ward has to say, and I'll judge it from there. If it's the same old line of this, that and the other thing, I'm probably better off voting for NOTA as even you advocate. Or better yet, voting for my proposed write-in candidate H. Henslow Sparrow (he's a resident of Summerfield Farms((there's farms there?)) too, and he's actually doing something about residential over-development). He's got a great slogan, "This November Give 'Em The Bird!". He's cute and fuzzy, kids will love him and they have tons of influence on the parents. You have to admit, if you were watching election results coming in last year and as many people voted for a bird as voted for Cansdale, how embarassing would that be to the victor. It was a 200 vote margin if I remember correctly, yet Giza talked about his mandate. Wouldn't that be great if he had a 200 vote mandate from the people over a bird. There would be so much coverage in the press that a bird almost beat a major party candidate, that you would effectively destroy the party.

I guess I'll wait to hear what Mr. Ward has to say, and I do hope that he WILL publicly engage the Supervisor in debate.

[4248]

Try making a phone call to Mr.Ward -

You guys are taking this too personal . Just because Mr.Ward saw a chance to get an endorsement and took it - you lambaste him with your own past political experiences/prejudice.

You take what others post or put in the news and assume it truly came from him or that he has no thoughts of his own .

The Lancaster Republican Committee has done this last minute endorsement before - stop and think about ! They do this to help their "friends" create the illusion of a race.

But once in a while they get fooled - the person they endorsed has more inner conviction then they had hoped for . Thats why they then back away and don't truly support their own candidate .

If you wanted to run and knew you had no chance with the Dem's - what would you do ? If you didn't know what you know - how/where would you start ?

Maybe this guy is "New" to Lancaster politics - maybe this guy is naive to the reality of the Gizites - gorilla campaign tactics . Maybe he's never ran the "Developer Gauntlet" He will soon enough taste their under handedness . Maybe he is a long time resident who happens to have a nice house - because he earned it!

But why take Mr.Joesphs posts and hammer this guy with them - why take Mr.Giza's unbelievable - Candidate belittling statements as fodder to trash some one you don't even know.

Thought provoking is one thing - comparing some one to a monkey is insulting. Labeling people "Fanatical Ward supporters" is a constant labeling trick of Gizites ! Assuming this guy should or would be inspired by your taunts - is ridiculous.

Yes , Pudge has fought for change - others have to - but don't trash some new guy who is willing to step in and try - pick up the phone and call his house - have a coffee with him . Then voice your own opinions based on fact - not as you said "I Heard"

Your correct that you wont and haven't seen much from this guy in the way of mailers or flyer's - think about - you know how much that stuff costs - he will receive almost no money (if any) or physical support from the Republican Committee.

You assume because he's running he has "Your personal" and Political insights and experiences/frustrations ! Why?

Do we truly want just another "Polished Career Bureaucrat" or just another Party Clone ? Do we want another "Status Quo" guy who is good at telling us what we want to hear and doing as he's told ?

Some of us are just so punch drunk from past Town Governance and two Party Bull**** that we cant give a outsider an even break - calm down - back up - stop imposing your frustrations on this guy and get to know him

- then if you don't think he can walk the walk - vote status quo and keep crying - or don't vote and shut up about change - as some one pointed out - theres at least 17000 doors with voters behind each (actually Town wide more than 22000 homes) - why is it the big voter turn out ends at about 3600 ? Apathy - Frustration !

You have to let your frustrations rest and build enthusiasm for change - many of us have had our lives turned upside down for trying to bring about change in Lancaster.

Many people fade away because of the never ending ruthlessness of our current Controlling Party . Some felt the hollowness of "Public Support." How many times have you personally felt alone when you believed you had so many people "Behind You?"

Its a long climb to the top - trip once or let others perceive you stumbled - and your below sneaker level in a heart beat. Abandoned and walked over by those who were "Behind You!"

You Mr.Foot Fungus say your just "Pointing out what they will use against Mr.Ward" aren't you telling them what they can and should use by raising those issues ?. Aren't you already condemning him because he lives in a subdivision ?

Your statement Mr.Foot Fungus , about the Depew village voters was ridiculous and uncalled for. Depew has and is seeing how they have been used and now abandoned by the Current Lancaster Town Board .

If the Current Controlling Members want to raise that issue then they should know they are the ones who have built and fostered the "Elitist" attitudes and subdivisions. That knife cuts both ways.


Lets first be honest about our feelings - then find out facts before we jump. Your right in another area - I am now a registered Blank - I was a registered Republican and still identify with Republican GOP Ideals - How about you Mr.Foot Fungus?

I was for most of my adult voting life a Democrat , I worked for Dennis Gorski and once even voted for Clinton ( jazz lovers cant be all bad) !

I changed parties after being with the Lancaster Dem Group. I saw first hand their unending - unrelenting - life disrupting attacks on their Political Opponents and their families .

The current Dem Committee and their Elected and Appointed Town Hall Members - believe its their birth right to every Tax Payer Funded Town Job or privilege created through One Party Rule .


I disagree.
:D
:)

[Foot Fungus]

Originally Posted by 4248

You guys are taking this too personal . Just because Mr.Ward saw a chance to get an endorsement and took it - you lambaste him with your own past political experiences/prejudice.

You take what others post or put in the news and assume it truly came from him or that he has no thoughts of his own .

Not taking it personal at all and not trying to pick a fight with you either. I guess I'd like to see a bit of independent spirit around the guy that's going to try to fix a very broken system. If I see that Mr. Ward is truly a man of his convictions (whatever they may be as we don't quite know), I will stand right beside him and help in any way that I can. Hopefully he is reading this and others' posts and will prepare his answers to the very obvious slants that the Gizites will take to discredit him that have been pointed out.

I know that if I was the candidate that had the Bee article written about him in the fashion that it was (and by the way, I'm the last person that believes everything that I read, especially there), I would have jumped on it. It smacks of the system that has been destroying this town for many years. Kill the messenger as they say. Let the public know that the story was bogus and that the messenger cannot be trusted. If it is incorrect it, correct it-word for word.


Thought provoking is one thing - comparing some one to a monkey is insulting. Labeling people "Fanatical Ward supporters" is a constant labeling trick of Gizites ! Assuming this guy should or would be inspired by your taunts - is ridiculous.

If anyone needs inspiration from a message board they should seek professional help. Taunts?


Your correct that you wont and haven't seen much from this guy in the way of mailers or flyer's - think about - you know how much that stuff costs - he will receive almost no money (if any) or physical support from the Republican Committee.

Exactly. They don't want him to win, just like past elections. However, getting your message out as early as possible is going to be key to building support, especially when you are on your own as has been said. Mailers and flyers, that's old news. Where does the campaigning really take place these days?...drumroll please.....that's right...the internet...give the man in the third row with the green hat a cigar. Anyone running an independent campaign today should know...get online early and beat in the message. Do what they don't want you to do, post information on a website (cheap) that details every vote, every hearing, every project etc. Let them know what's only seen in very small print in the very low circulation newspaper of record in Lancaster. If the Dems want to stick to flyers and mailers, God bless 'em. They'll be destroyed quickly by the guy that's up to date, minute by minute, and can answer any bogus assault in an instant with fact. Put them on the defensive. Knowledge is power and speed kills.


Some of us are just so punch drunk from past Town Governance and two Party Bull**** that we cant give a outsider an even break - calm down - back up - stop imposing your frustrations on this guy and get to know him - then if you don't think he can walk the walk - vote status quo and keep crying - or don't vote and shut up about change - as some one pointed out - theres at least 17000 doors with voters behind each (actually Town wide more than 22000 homes) - why is it the big voter turn out ends at about 3600 ? Apathy - Frustration !

Hockey game, night at the movies, Dancing With The Stars. From past experience it seems to be more on the something better to do side of things than apathy or frustration. In the "Me Generation", fun kicks frustration in the ass every time.

Giving an "outsider" a break is no problem, but is he an "outsider"? Time will tell. I'm not going to jump off the bridge because someone said I should.

So, let's see, I can either (I'm taking this from the perspective of any person that might be reading all this stuff, OK?):

A: vote for the newly anointed savior of Lancaster who may or may not campaign and let the people
know where he stands or maybe not campaign until the last few weeks or who knows what else,
although he has the support of volunteer fireman and three new subdivisions (just going by what's
here by the Ward supporter as it's the most substantive info available although not verified by the
volunteer fireman-there has to be one on this board, can someone please give us something a bit
more concrete)
B: vote for the status quo and keep crying - (don't think I'll be choosing that one)
C: don't vote and shut up - (don't think I'll choose that one either)

You forgot option D: Vote None Of The Above (the one at the bottom of your posts).

Right now, I'm not liking the sound of this.


You have to let your frustrations rest and build enthusiasm for change - many of us have had our lives turned upside down for trying to bring about change in Lancaster.

Some more than others. Never assume one's situation.


Its a long climb to the top - trip once or let others perceive you stumbled - and your below sneaker level in a heart beat. Abandoned and walked over by those who were "Behind You!"

I always thought that public service was just that, public service. Climbing to the top should not be a priority in that domain.


You Mr.Foot Fungus say your just "Pointing out what they will use against Mr.Ward" aren't you telling them what they can and should use by raising those issues ?. Aren't you already condemning him because he lives in a subdivision ?

Your statement Mr.Foot Fungus , about the Depew village voters was ridiculous and uncalled for. Depew has and is seeing how they have been used and now abandoned by the Current Lancaster Town Board .

Me, Mr. Foot Fungus, says that if you think that they haven't already seen the obvious themselves, you're fooling yourself and are giving me waaaaaaaay too much credit (it's either that or I want a job as a Highway Department Crew Chief. Nope, don't want that). I would think that they're having a riot with just what they've put out there about Mr. Ward so far and they haven't yet begun.

The comment about the villages was directed straight at a post from the person you are trying to defend:


Originally Posted by Joesph1319 in "Mr. Giza Jokes In The Press-Cries To Committee!

Even if Giza gets most of the town workers support, I dont think he has a chance against this guy. It appears Ward has the support of the volunteer firemen, and most of the cops. With all higher income families moving in, I think the more educated people will vote for change and throw a vote Wards way. Your right though, Giza is trying to throw Ward out. My Aunt works at town hall and she told me that she never seen Giza so afraid of loosing his job. He also has been speaking with Sherwood on how to get Ward out. What a joke!!!

If you think that these kind of statements will not be used by the Gizites you've got another thing coming. It doesn't matter who said this, it's going to come back at him, you should know this 4248. Has there ever been a flyer or mailer with say, a mis-quoted statement, a statement made by someone around a candidate or an untrue fact about a political opponent in Lancaster?

Please read between the lines here, I'm trying more to end these types of statements than perpetuate them. Obviously you had found something offensive from what I had posted, how offensive will it be to the voters in the villages if the above post is credited to someone else that maybe is running for town supervisor? If you want Mr. Ward to even make a dent, that needs to stop. I'll guarantee you that there are some that are reading the posts of Mr. Joseph and taking them as Mr. Ward's words.

Believe me, I'd much rather be in the village myself.


If the Current Controlling Members want to raise that issue then they should know they are the ones who have built and fostered the "Elitist" attitudes and subdivisions. That knife cuts both ways.

Of course they did, and wouldn't it be a damn shame for them to be able to use what they have built to destroy this guy before he gets started?


Lets first be honest about our feelings - then find out facts before we jump. Your right in another area - I am now a registered Blank - I was a registered Republican and still identify with Republican GOP Ideals - How about you Mr.Foot Fungus?

This board is about politics, honesty counts for nothing. Just kidding. I've been a blank from day one (I wanted to be a registered anarchist, but the option wasn't available). As for Feelings, I will be honest, I hated that song, except on The Gong Show.


The current Dem Committee and their Elected and Appointed Town Hall Members - believe its their birth right to every Tax Payer Funded Town Job or privilege created through One Party Rule .

I disagree.

I agree. With you, not them.

That's it for the long posts. From now on I will only relay posts by cryptic codes and cyphers. The messages will only be able to be read by studying certain works of art in the Albright Knox Art Gallery and I'm not telling you which ones, you'll have to find them yourself. (Hint: they will only be found in abstract paintings-the ones whose meanings are based on the perception of what a person sees or what the artist subtly hints at that can often skew that person's perception of what he thinks he sees-just like politics).

This is a tough board, anyone know the URL for the Hello Kitty site?

[therising]

Lancaster Volunteer Firemen are for Jim Ward for Town Supervisor!

I would be interested to hear Why.

[4248]

Maybe Mr.Ward is unaware of equal time or as in the past - the Bee considers asking pointed questions posed by them to prove Giza's statements - equal time !

The people who write for the Lancaster Bee are not by any stretch of the imagination - "Journalists or Reporters" - they are the Town of Lancaster Designated (by Town Board proclamation) Paper .

Common mans translation = paid by the Lancaster Town Board to reprint what they receive from the Town Government .

Thats part of my point - because you haven't seen him do what you feel he should be doing or saying and has not sought you out to present his case - you continue your back handed insults . Anointed Savior and such.

So I guess your saying because he doesn't post here so people can try and pick apart his answers - then he isn't worth voting for.

Or could it be that he figures going door to door will be his best bet . Instead of sparring with people who have no true identity or clear agenda.


I am not defending anyone - just trying to give another point of view .

You mention how people can take what one person said and attribute it to someone else. One could reason thats what your doing . Your the one who keeps taking Mr.Josephs and my posts apart(only responding to parts) and instead of simply answering them - you twist and turn - ad little sarcasms and insults - then you claim your just trying to help.


I could be and have been wrong in the past- but I don't see what you are posting as "Constructive." :confused:

[Foot Fungus]

Quickly (for a change),


Originally Posted by 4248

Maybe Mr.Ward is unaware of equal time or as in the past - the Bee considers asking pointed questions posed by them to prove Giza's statements - equal time !

Now he knows.


The people who write for the Lancaster Bee are not by any stretch of the imagination - "Journalists or Reporters" - they are the Town of Lancaster Designated (by Town Board proclamation) Paper .

Common mans translation = paid by the Lancaster Town Board to reprint what they receive from the Town Government .

Now he knows. Bring a tape recorder. They deviate from his statements, discredit them and expose them for what they are.


Thats part of my point - because you haven't seen him do what you feel he should be doing or saying and has not sought you out to present his case - you continue your back handed insults . Anointed Savior and such.

No one would ever do or say what I would like done or said. Back handed? Touchy.


So I guess your saying because he doesn't post here so people can try and pick apart his answers - then he isn't worth voting for.

Posting here would be silly for him, although it would make for interesting debate and expose a few people. Maybe he should post here...:eek:


Or could it be that he figures going door to door will be his best bet . Instead of sparring with people who have no true identity or clear agenda.

Door to door is nice, but despite the folks who say, "It's early yet", I beg to differ. A little thought and ingenuity can go a long way against a well oiled, well funded machine. The thought should not only be to get elected but also to break the machine down to it's foundation at the same time. I told you I wanted to be a registered anarchist.:)


I am not defending anyone - just trying to give another point of view .

OK. Point taken.


You mention how people can take what one person said and attribute it to someone else. One could reason thats what your doing . Your the one who keeps taking Mr.Josephs and my posts apart(only responding to parts) and instead of simply answering them - you twist and turn - ad little sarcasms and insults - then you claim your just trying to help.

Deconstruct...analyze...reassemble...solution.


I could be and have been wrong in the past- but I don't see what you are posting as "Constructive."

It's more constructive than anyone could ever imagine, if they're paying attention to details.

Quick. To the point (in my own opinion anyway). Everything answered....Foot Fungus out (insert static noise here).

[4248]

Quickly (for a change),



Now he knows.



Now he knows. Bring a tape recorder. They deviate from his statements, discredit them and expose them for what they are.



No one would ever do or say what I would like done or said. Back handed? Touchy.



Posting here would be silly for him, although it would make for interesting debate and expose a few people. Maybe he should post here...:eek:



Door to door is nice, but despite the folks who say, "It's early yet", I beg to differ. A little thought and ingenuity can go a long way against a well oiled, well funded machine. The thought should not only be to get elected but also to break the machine down to it's foundation at the same time. I told you I wanted to be a registered anarchist.:)



OK. Point taken.



Deconstruct...analyze...reassemble...solution.



It's more constructive than anyone could ever imagine, if they're paying attention to details.

Quick. To the point (in my own opinion anyway). Everything answered....Foot Fungus out (insert static noise here).

I to get frustrated - I am starting to see your sense of humor and apologize for any insult you may have felt

(insert sad music - fade to black)

[Foot Fungus]

Originally Posted by 4248

I to get frustrated - I am starting to see your sense of humor and apologize for any insult you may have felt

(insert sad music - fade to black)

I'm not frustrated, I have no sense of humor and I can't be insulted.

........I'm Batman.:cool:


Originally Posted by Joesph1319
Lancaster Volunteer Firemen are for Jim Ward for Town Supervisor!


Originally Posted by therising

I would be interested to hear Why.

I have a sneaking suspicion that you may have some idea why the Volunteer Fireman are for Jim Ward. Care to expand on that?

[Contrarian101]

Does anyone know how to contact Dan Ward?

Has anyone contacted Dan Ward?

Does anyone know what he stands for?

[therising]

I have a sneaking suspicion that you may have some idea why the Volunteer Fireman are for Jim Ward. Care to expand on that?

I do have a suspicion but it has no basis, so I won't say it.

I'd rather hear the fireman answer.

[Foot Fungus]

Originally Posted by therising

I do have a suspicion but it has no basis, so I won't say it.

I'd rather hear the fireman answer.

Just wondering. I'd rather hear it from them too.

I'm sure we'll find out soon, as someone's got to be asking them about that.

[pudge]

Well, you can be assured that the highway department working crew chiefs will be supporting Giza. But, then, what about the voters and the rest of the department? Are they happy with the town's recent hiring logic and determination - namely, that the town needs 4 chiefs for so few Indians?

I say that deal stinks! What does Mr. Ward have to say on this?

[Contrarian101]

I'm interested in hearing what Mr. Ward has to say about anything...including the bizarre promotions in the highway department.

[Foot Fungus]

For proper effect, please hum a daytime soap opera theme to yourself while reading.


When we last left this thread...

Supervisor Giza had offered to Mr. Ward to pay his costs to get out of the Supervisor's race that according to the Lancaster Bee, Mr. Ward didn't even know he was running in...

A new poster advocated for the election of Mr. Ward (many times)...

Supporters were said to be found in the Volunteer Fire Department and numerous subdivisions...

It was said that Mr. Ward was canvassing door to door in some neighborhoods...

It was also said that Mr. Ward was distancing himself from the Republican Party endorsement...

Questions followed as to Mr. Ward's positions on Town issues...

Chaos ensued as a few members of the message board debated the relevance of only one candidate running for the three seats up for grabs on the Town Board, campaign methods, voter apathy and changing the two party system status quo among other items...

After much bitching, the debate ceased and peace and harmony returned to the thread...

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[pudge]

When we last left this thread...

Supervisor Giza had offered to Mr. Ward to pay his costs to get out of the Supervisor's race that according to the Lancaster Bee, Mr. Ward didn't even know he was running in...

A new poster advocated for the election of Mr. Ward (many times)...

Supporters were said to be found in the Volunteer Fire Department and numerous subdivisions...

It was said that Mr. Ward was canvassing door to door in some neighborhoods...

It was also said that Mr. Ward was distancing himself from the Republican Party endorsement...

Questions followed as to Mr. Ward's positions on Town issues...

Chaos ensued as a few members of the message board debated the relevance of only one candidate running for the three seats up for grabs on the Town Board, campaign methods, voter apathy and changing the two party system status quo among other items...

After much bitching, the debate ceased and peace and harmony returned to the thread...

and then...

Some of us still want to know who Mr. Ward is (we've heard of him). What is his platform for reform? It shouldn't take much to beat "Bob the Builder"! Oh wait, I'm supposed to call Ward. I keep forgetting he's going to be a part time supervisor while working his regular full time job - but he will be taking only half pay.

There is a councilmember who is part time, but only works 1/2 part time at his council member job. Now there's a salary that should be cut. In fact, he should just mail in his "yes" vote to every resolution Bob advises him to and pay him 1/4 salary and take away his benefits.

[Contrarian101]

Some of us still want to know who Mr. Ward is (we've heard of him). What is his platform for reform? It shouldn't take much to beat "Bob the Builder"! Oh wait, I'm supposed to call Ward.

Ya know, this Ward fellow is supposedly running for Supervisor and he wants my vote. I realize I'm just a little peon in a big pond, but, usually, if someone wants something from me, they ask me for it.

I've asked before, who is Ward and what's he all about. and it seems like I'm in the same boat with pudge. We're supposed to call Ward and ask him if there's something he wants from us.

Okay, okay, okay. Usually, if someone wants something from me, they ask me for it first. Unless, of course, it's the government, and then they just take it, i.e. taxes, privacy, property, etc. Maybe Ward thinks he's already part of the government and he's gonna take my vote on election day.

[Foot Fungus]

Hopefully there will be something from him out there soon. Election day will be here sooner than anyone thinks.

This is one of those occasions where, to me, the silence is deafening.

[Foot Fungus]

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[Contrarian101]

could it be that ward's campaigning telepathically and we're not sensitive enough to hear the message.

or maybe it's a new campaign strategy where the candidates don't say nothing and we get to vote based on our best guess of what we think they might do.

[Foot Fungus]

Originally Posted by Contrarian101

could it be that ward's campaigning telepathically and we're not sensitive enough to hear the message.

I'm sensitive enough, but only in certain areas that are off limits to politicians.:p


or maybe it's a new campaign strategy where the candidates don't say nothing and we get to vote based on our best guess of what we think they might do.

What's so new about that? It seems to be standard operating procedure around here.

At least they're not talking in circles, it would make me think of donuts. Great! Now I want a donut! Now I have to walk to the corner to get one. Which corner? It doesn't matter, in Lancaster every corner has a donut shop (or will soon).:mad:



"This town needs an enema"-Jack Nicholson as The Joker in Batman.

[pudge]

Au contrere (?), contrarian


maybe it's a new campaign strategy where the candidates don't say nothing and we get to vote based on our best guess of what we think they might do.

We have a 20 year past record of what Giza represents. We would like change! However, who is Mr. Ward? Does he have an interactive web site? He should, we could get to know of him and his platform and even send him campaign suggestions. There is much to address in the town of Lancaster - the land of Democratic Oz.

Come on Ward, use the net, the information highway. Many bloggers would just love to e-mail your thoughts to their friends and families - if you have substance!

[Contrarian101]

i think pudge and foot-fungus need to chill with an iced-fr-crap-achino and a donut.

come-on, gizas been in politics for something like twenty years and in all the elections he's been in, he never told us what he was gonna do? are you saying he ran all his campaigns like ward is waging his, by saying nothing. geez, if that's the case, how'd he get elected.

if that's the case, then ward's a shoe-in.

even i can think of some of giza's memorable campaign year statements. like the year he ran against cansdale and said the tax increase from the police merger would be between zero and something. come on. it was on tv, channel 4, wivb. it was even on your website.

and what about the non election years. all those promises. remember, for four or five years he wrote in his new year message in the bee that this was gonna be the year st. wal-mart would come to lancaster.

come on, chill, why can't we all just get along. i'll even by the iced fr-crap-achinos and donuts.

and mr. ward, if your out there, your invited to. if you want our vote, we need to know what you stand for.

[Foot Fungus]

Originally Posted by Contrarian101

i think pudge and foot-fungus need to chill with an iced-fr-crap-achino and a donut.

I don't consume illicit beverages.


come-on, gizas been in politics for something like twenty years and in all the elections he's been in, he never told us what he was gonna do? are you saying he ran all his campaigns like ward is waging his, by saying nothing. geez, if that's the case, how'd he get elected.

By saying nothing.


if that's the case, then ward's a shoe-in.

even i can think of some of giza's memorable campaign year statements. like the year he ran against cansdale and said the tax increase from the police merger would be between zero and something. come on. it was on tv, channel 4, wivb. it was even on your website.

Still saying nothing, or what amounts to nothing.


and what about the non election years. all those promises. remember, for four or five years he wrote in his new year message in the bee that this was gonna be the year st. wal-mart would come to lancaster.

That's what the people all asked for, he was just mimicking them.


come on, chill, why can't we all just get along. i'll even by the iced fr-crap-achinos and donuts.

Enabler.


and mr. ward, if your out there, your invited to. if you want our vote, we need to know what you stand for.

The Pledge Of Allegiance, just like the rest of us.

[atotaltotalfan2001]

Lancaster Volunteer Firemen are for Jim Ward for Town Supervisor!
We need to back this guy to get rid of that old man Giza!
I urge everyone to stand up and fight against the same old stuff in Lancaster, and vote for Jim Ward! I

How about the Depew Fire Department. Giza tends to win once the results from Depew come in. If you can win the hearts of Depew away from Giza, a challenger might actually win.

[Foot Fungus]

Originally Posted by atotaltotalfan2001

How about the Depew Fire Department. Giza tends to win once the results from Depew come in. If you can win the hearts of Depew away from Giza, a challenger might actually win.

I don't think Giza is really sweating too hard about election day.

[Joesph1319]

I Have Been Sitting Back Watching The Back And Forth Banter And I Dont Understand Who In Their Right Mind Is Going To Vote For Giza. Its Been Proven Time And Time Again That He Lies,cheats And Steals Form The Taxpayers.

Lets See.....how Does A 65 Year Old Crook Beat Out A 36 Yr Old Nobody??? Wny And Lancaster Needs Change, So Why Not Vote For It. Even If This Guy Doesnt Run A Hard Nose Campaign, Who Wouldnt Vote For Him No Matter What His Views Are....its Change That We Vote For!

I Have Spoken To Many People In Lancaster, And I Cant Find 5 People Who Will Vote For Giza. Everyone Is Sick Of It, And Now Another Sub-division Will Be Going In. So Since There Is 7700 Kids In School That They Cant Hold, How About A Good Even 10,000 Kids So There Are 100 Kids Per Teacher.

Giza Is A Joke!!!!!!

[Foot Fungus]

Originally Posted by Joesph1319

I Have Been Sitting Back Watching The Back And Forth Banter And I Dont Understand Who In Their Right Mind Is Going To Vote For Giza.

Gizites.


Its Been Proven Time And Time Again That He Lies,cheats And Steals Form The Taxpayers.

OK.


Lets See.....how Does A 65 Year Old Crook Beat Out A 36 Yr Old Nobody???

Don't know.


Wny And Lancaster Needs Change,

Yep.


So Why Not Vote For It.

Err...OK.


Even If This Guy Doesnt Run A Hard Nose Campaign

Can't understand why he wouldn't.


Who Wouldnt Vote For Him No Matter What His Views Are

That's dangerous.

Somewhere there is a crazy Lancaster Nazi walking aroung saying "Zey Vant Change. I read it on ze internet".:eek:


its Change That We Vote For!

NOTA would suffice, if I have no idea where the candidate is coming from, successfully electing no one would send a better message than electing either the old trash that we've got or a completely unknown entity. Ahhhh, pipedreams...breaking the cycle of silly political partys. Sigh...:)


I Have Spoken To Many People In Lancaster, And I Cant Find 5 People Who Will Vote For Giza.

Will they show up at the polls? Most of the people in Lancaster that say they won't vote for Giza don't, but they don't vote at all, so it really doesn't matter.:(


Everyone Is Sick Of It

They've been sick of it for a long time, yet Giza's still there and the number of voters at the polls is very low. HINT HINT HINT: The successful Giza challenger will be the one that brings out the fed up people to vote. Silence does not serve that very well.


And Now Another Sub-division Will Be Going In.

Only one? You need to attend a planning board and town board meeting yourself sometime. It's definately more than one. You'll be in for a big surprise.


So Since There Is 7700 Kids In School That They Cant Hold, How About A Good Even 10,000 Kids So There Are 100 Kids Per Teacher.

Do the math on the number of subdivions in the pipeline, you might hit your number easy with the proper projections. Time for another addition to the school. I wonder if old Stanley Jay will try to hold the developers responsible for 20% of that too? Heh heh!


Giza Is A Joke!!!!!!

Yes he is, but somehow it's not very funny.:(

[Contrarian101]

remember where's waldo. ward sort of reminds me of where's waldo only its where's ward. the weird thing is i'm almost tempted to vote for him. but hes a blank slate.

wards gotta come out and say something. give us a idea of what hes all about. otherwise no ones going to vote for him.

[concernedwnyer]

I Have Been Sitting Back Watching The Back And Forth Banter And I Dont Understand Who In Their Right Mind Is Going To Vote For Giza. Its Been Proven Time And Time Again That He Lies,cheats And Steals Form The Taxpayers.

Lets See.....how Does A 65 Year Old Crook Beat Out A 36 Yr Old Nobody??? Wny And Lancaster Needs Change, So Why Not Vote For It. Even If This Guy Doesnt Run A Hard Nose Campaign, Who Wouldnt Vote For Him No Matter What His Views Are....its Change That We Vote For!

I Have Spoken To Many People In Lancaster, And I Cant Find 5 People Who Will Vote For Giza. Everyone Is Sick Of It, And Now Another Sub-division Will Be Going In. So Since There Is 7700 Kids In School That They Cant Hold, How About A Good Even 10,000 Kids So There Are 100 Kids Per Teacher.

Giza Is A Joke!!!!!!

Well, People must like him because he always seems to get in.

[shadow]

I will vote for Mr.Ward just for change and I agree with Joseph everyone I talk with in the area has nothing good to say about Giza and his croonies, they think there all a joke... Most people think this town has gone to the Dogs with Giza and Keysa controlling everything and I'm sure all their pockets are getting lined in the process. They should move the investigations from the city of Buffalo to Lancaster and see what they find. More developers control Lancaster government and what is done in this town. Most people are not comfortable with the situation any longer. With taxes and expenses going up and everyone has to tighten the belt our town leaders are spending more and more. The sad point is were paying for it!!!!! I think most people will vote for change and their tired of lip service. The sad part is many don't even come out to vote and with the increase in taxes many sold and moved and you have alot of new blood in town. I hope they decide to make changes and have their voices heard. Maybe Ward should get the bird to campaign with him ( he'll be a shoe In )
We have just payed thousands of dollars for a traffic study which of course Keysa is involved in to be told the traffic hasn't changed much it has stayed the same or declined. What apple cart did these people fall off of ? Do they drive down william have they tried to get on william from any of these side streets during busy times. More money flushed down the toilet and another study turned into a joke by Giza and Keysa. Nothing happens in this town thats on the level and honest theres always something going on behind the scenes with developers pushing our town leaders to do what they want instead of whats right for the community. Mr. Ward if your out there I have alot of land for signs, but you already have my vote.

[Foot Fungus]

Originally Posted by shadow

I will vote for Mr.Ward just for change and I agree with Joseph everyone I talk with in the area has nothing good to say about Giza and his croonies, they think there all a joke...

Lots of folks talk poorly of the town leadership...in closed circles. If these people expressed their displeasure in an open forum...say the Town Hall every 1st and 3rd Monday of the month...these problems would not be occuring.


Most people think this town has gone to the Dogs with Giza and Keysa controlling everything and I'm sure all their pockets are getting lined in the process.

Most people in Lancaster don't what a Giza or a Keysa is. The ones that do vote usually just pull a letter, R or D. This year they did make it easier, in most cases there is only a D (thanks to the Rs, who really are Ds, but used to be Rs and the Ds even infiltratted the Is who are now Rs and Ds). Someone thinks we're stupid.:mad:


They should move the investigations from the city of Buffalo to Lancaster and see what they find. More developers control Lancaster government and what is done in this town.

Lawsuits don't work, why would investigations? Please remember, Mr. Keysa is the man who never saw a committee he didn't like. Lots of friends there.


Most people are not comfortable with the situation any longer. With taxes and expenses going up and everyone has to tighten the belt our town leaders are spending more and more. The sad point is were paying for it!!!!!

Where are they, where have they been for the past 10 years while the kingdom was being built?


I think most people will vote for change and their tired of lip service. The sad part is many don't even come out to vote and with the increase in taxes many sold and moved and you have alot of new blood in town.

That's what the Gizites count on, low voter turnout. I don't think they're too worried about the "new blood", it'll be hockey season.


I hope they decide to make changes and have their voices heard. Maybe Ward should get the bird to campaign with him ( he'll be a shoe In )

Unfortunately the bird has more visibility than the candidate. I'd still like to see the bird win the election, the results from that would be better than a 4-1 yes vote on everything. The party system would begin unraveling.


We have just payed thousands of dollars for a traffic study which of course Keysa is involved in to be told the traffic hasn't changed much it has stayed the same or declined. What apple cart did these people fall off of ? Do they drive down william have they tried to get on william from any of these side streets during busy times. More money flushed down the toilet and another study turned into a joke by Giza and Keysa. Nothing happens in this town thats on the level and honest theres always something going on behind the scenes with developers pushing our town leaders to do what they want instead of whats right for the community.

Traffic has decreased.:eek: I take it you don't agree.


Mr. Ward if your out there I have alot of land for signs, but you already have my vote.

Better watch it, they'll be flooding you out soon. Better build up a few large dirt piles or the signs will be....floating...away.....:mad:

[Joesph1319]

Does Ward Have Any Signs Yet????

I Know About 50 People Who Will Put His Sign On Their Lawn!!!!

Vote For Ward!!!!!

[pudge]

Until Ward comes out of the closet, this guy looks pretty good.


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[Contrarian101]

since no one else had the guts to do it, i walked by ward's home last night. let me tell you all that the man has a glowing personality. he didn't say much but he is absolutely radiant. i managed to sneak a picture of him on my cell phone.

so here he is, for the first time anywhere, mr. ward.

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[Joesph1319]

Wow, Ward Never Looked So Good>>>>>>everything That I Imagined, I Hope He Wont Raise Taxes To Pay For All That Glow......lol

[pudge]

Sparrow announces slate running mates

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Lancaster will have a true Independence Party in November

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Slate promises to change current wetloand policy. Will protect wetlands from unscrupulous developers. Are there any other kind?

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[Contrarian101]

Sparrow announces slate running mates

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Lancaster will have a true Independence Party in November

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Slate promises to change current wetloand policy. Will protect wetlands from unscrupulous developers. Are there any other kind?

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ya know, this morning i got real mad at sparrow and his running mates cause some of his supporters left their literature on the windshield of my car. it made me want to slice the buggers open and read their entrails to fortell my future

so, i went over to talk with them at their headquarters on bowen. ya know what, the little fellows won me over. they want the same things i want. they don't want their homes and lifestyles ruined by money grubbing developers and their political tools.

so all i gotta say is, this fall, i'm gonna get me a write in ballot and vote for

h. henslow sparrow

[shadow]

ya know, this morning i got real mad at sparrow and his running mates cause some of his supporters left their literature on the windshield of my car. it made me want to slice the buggers open and read their entrails to fortell my future

so, i went over to talk with them at their headquarters on bowen. ya know what, the little fellows won me over. they want the same things i want. they don't want their homes and lifestyles ruined by money grubbing developers and their political tools.

so all i gotta say is, this fall, i'm gonna get me a write in ballot and vote for

h. henslow sparrow

Good Job Contrarian 101-- here- here no one wants there homes or lifestyles ruined - More tax revenue - More infrastructure ...I see a new school in my crystal ball.....

[shadow]

If anyone knows Mr.Ward please tell him to come out and do or say something. It's time we need change and we need a leader.... with ethics! We need someone to change the state of affairs in lancaster and clean house. We need a town we can be proud of where people want to participate in change for the good of the community and not to line ones pockets with money or favors.. tell him people in Windsor Ridge want to talk to him..Just look for the wetlands and containment ponds and yards with lawn furniture sinking....