Today's Niagara Gazette "paving"

[nuclearlou]

So, in this A.M.'s Niagara Gazette, there's a story about the repaving of Buffalo Ave., virtually, from LaSalle to Downtown. Unfortunately, that road (Buffalo Ave.) is also contaminated with radioactive materials.

http://www.niagara-gazette.com/local/local_story_203224444.html
Title: "BUFFALO AVENUE: Road work ahead"
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http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/nuclearlou/dipshis4.jpg
From: Oak Ridge National Laboratory radiation survey of Niagara Falls, NY.
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I find it rather interesting that this fact wasn't mentioned in the story or placed on their map of the proposed Buffalo Avenue, Niagara Falls, NY, road "reconstruction" and pavement replacement.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/nuclearlou/BuffaloaveNiagaraGazette.jpg
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http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/nuclearlou/dipshi2000.jpg

[concernedwnyer]

So, in this A.M.'s Niagara Gazette, there's a story about the repaving of Buffalo Ave., virtually, from LaSalle to Downtown. Unfortunately, that road (Buffalo Ave.) is also contaminated with radioactive materials.

http://www.niagara-gazette.com/local/local_story_203224444.html
Title: "BUFFALO AVENUE: Road work ahead"
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http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/nuclearlou/dipshis4.jpg
From: Oak Ridge National Laboratory radiation survey of Niagara Falls, NY.
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I find it rather interesting that this fact wasn't mentioned in the story or placed on their map of the proposed Buffalo Avenue, Niagara Falls, NY, road "reconstruction" and pavement replacement.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/nuclearlou/BuffaloaveNiagaraGazette.jpg
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http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/nuclearlou/dipshi2000.jpg

Have you no shame radio active mouth???? If you take the time and read the report that you speak of you will find:



"Before reconstruction can begin, the project must undergo the design phase and an environmental review, which could unearth some problems in the form of underground contamination near the street’s industrial plants."

“As we go through the design aspect and environmental review process, we know there’s the possibility of those issues coming up,” Anello said. “An action plan to clean up those areas will be established if necessary.”


So you think that the D.O.T and Environmental Protection Agency would re pave over a roadway that you claim is contaminated with radio active asphalt???????

Get real here would you.......

[nuclearlou]

Sorry Concernedwnyer: Please read these as I'M NOT "claiming" anything here. These are official government survey reports. Sorry. Maybe the city officials should take the time to "read the reports." I've already done so.

Once again, it's unfortunate that you're choosing not to understand. I'm not making any of this up out of thin air. The map is from the Oak Ridge National Laboratory - Niagara Falls, New York, radioactive road report and has been provided right here. It must be that YOU'RE simply not reading these.

I'm NOT ashamed of anything ... I have no reason to be ... all I'm doing is bringing this to the attention of the public. On the other hand, someone who refuses to read or believe the reports as they're given (instead of "believing" me) .....

These graphs and maps aren't just "made up."
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http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/nuclearlou/RadiationRoadReport_E.jpg
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http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/nuclearlou/dipshis11.jpg

[Downstate Buffaloian]

To all that doubt this problem:

Read the damn report!!! What don't you understand about it? It's 11th grade chemistry!

RA- Radium
TH- Thorium
U- Uranium

These are all radioactive metals found in the roadbedding in these locations at elevated levels.

[WNYresident]

What would happen if someone took a gieger (sp.) counter and rested it on various spots of the road in question?

[nuclearlou]

WNYResident: Something about like this image can be found [ +/- ] depending upon just how close you can get to them--the amount of cover over them and what the materials are (exactly--the point of all of this) and what they are giving off in the way of decay, i.e.-Alpha, Beta or Gamma rays that can be detected.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/nuclearlou/dipshis18.jpg
The meter-reading image above is from what was found at the Rapids Bowling center on Niagara Falls Blvd., Niagara Falls, NY. The readings from the roads are similar and exposure rates are contained within the report.
I hope that helped answer your question.

[MarkLV]

Lou, I have to take concernedwnyer's p.o.v. here because the article you chose to criticise clearly contrdicts what you posted.

At the risk of making yourself look overzealous with regards to your cause (one which I applaud, btw!), you may want to rethink this one.

[concernedwnyer]

I read the dated report and I read the news article as well....Might I suggest you contact the Oakland Reserch facility and bring them up to date on what is planned. Call the EPA and the DOT as well.....

[nuclearlou]

MarkLV:

Here's the article from the Niagara Gazette. Thanks for your comment and interest. However, I don't understand how this article contradicts anything that I've posted, or any position that I maintain. I didn't know that CWNYer had any particular "POV?" The documents already provided go beyond that.

Perhaps I haven't explained something fully? Would you mind explaining your question(s) with what I've posted?
Regards,
NL

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Niagara Gazette
BUFFALO AVENUE: Road work ahead

Buffalo Avenue selected fort $17 million DOT project
By Rick Forgione/forgioner@gnnewspaper.com
Niagara Gazette

For the past eight years, Lisa Routhier has had the misfortune of watching while other streets in the city of Niagara Falls received new surfaces.

Meanwhile, Buffalo Avenue — once considered the main gateway into the city for motorists exiting the interstate — has continued to crack and attract more and more potholes.

“I think Buffalo Avenue needs an uplift like that too,” Routhier said. “It’s definitely a disaster out here.”

As president of the LaSalle Business and Professional Association, Routhier is among those who’ve been working to improve the quality of life in that community. A big part has been lobbying to get Buffalo Avenue reconstructed.

They won’t have to wait much longer. The state Department of Transportation has allocated money for a $17 million reconstruction project on Buffalo Avenue from 10th Street to Cayuga Drive. Tonight, Niagara Falls lawmakers will take the next step in the project by hiring a consultant.

The firm, C&S Engineers Inc. will be paid $899,201 to assist in the design phase of Buffalo Avenue ranging from the I-190 exit to Cayuga Drive. Mayor Vince Anello said the other stretch of road included in the planned reconstruction has already undergone design work.

“Buffalo Avenue has looked very poor for a long time,” Anello said. “But it’s going to look fantastic after this project.”

The street won’t just be undergoing the usual paving and line re-striping. Plans include new curbs, replacing utilities and other amenities.

“Buffalo Avenue could be a wonderful place,” said Routhier, pointing out its proximity to the waterfront. “I think fixing it up will be a big boost to business.”

The city’s portion of the project’s cost will be about $3.4 million initially, but with a state reimbursement, its final cost will be just over $1 million.

“DOT dollars have been set aside for this already,” Anello said. “This project is a go.”

It’s taken several years for Buffalo Avenue to move up the DOT’s priority list, he added.

“The main reason it took so long is because of the overall cost,” Anello said. “We’ve been trying to get this done for the last three years. It’s always been on the list, it just took some time to make it to the top.”

Before reconstruction can begin, the project must undergo the design phase and an environmental review, which could unearth some problems in the form of underground contamination near the street’s industrial plants.

“As we go through the design aspect and environmental review process, we know there’s the possibility of those issues coming up,” Anello said. “An action plan to clean up those areas will be established if necessary.”

The City Council will vote on hiring C&S Engineers during its 7 p.m. meeting today at City Hall.
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MarkLV:

If I sounded critical, it was OF the Niagara Gazette newspaper because they had this information on their forum until July 4th.--when they pulled a bunch of documents and things like this that I had posted. Then, they report on a road construction story minus/sans this important information! Or, if I sounded critical, it is that these radioactive materials are still there in the roads even after the Oak Ridge radiation reports of the mid-1980s (and before) and or, how well the entire "cleanup" will be handled with all of the previous in mind. Historically, none of this has been "handled well."

Before anyone is critical, I would suggest the same as DownstateBuffalonian just has above (earlier in thread) and that is to read the Oak Ridge Niagara Falls, NY, radiation report. I provided the maps.

[nuclearlou]

Will do ConcernedWnyer. Thanks.

*List of sites and addresses along Buffalo Ave. that are documented as historic atomic weapons employers facilities. See Niagara Falls, New York.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/poison/023.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/poison/023.htm See: New York - Niagara Falls)
See: New York - Niagara Falls companies and locations.

*A government URL to the same list* This is a government URL*
http://www.oakridge.doe.gov/Foia/facilities.pdf
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Indicated spots of contamination along Buffalo Ave., Niagara Falls, NY
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/nuclearlou/dipshis4.jpg
From Oak Ridge National Laboratory radiation anomaly survey report.
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NOT SHOWN in today's newspaper map--but survey is known to this press.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/nuclearlou/BuffaloaveNiagaraGazette.jpg

Additional information may be available from the newspaper.

[WNYresident]

Do you have a gieger counter and a digital camera or video recorder?

Best way to remove all doubt is to show people.

[nuclearlou]

I DO have video clips of many of the sites and some that show the meter off-scale screaming. I just don't know yet how to do a YOUTube video or like that. I'm working on it though...

There's always the lawn chair and spoon test for the doubters. ;)

[WNYresident]

I will teach you how to youtube properly if you have these items on tape.

Are they on tape, dvd or already on your hard drive?

[nuclearlou]

Tape (Hi-8/digital) and to DVD.

[WNYresident]

Should be easy if it's on dvd as a Mpeg....

[concernedwnyer]

I DO have video clips of many of the sites and some that show the meter off-scale screaming. I just don't know yet how to do a YOUTube video or like that. I'm working on it though...

There's always the lawn chair and spoon test for the doubters. ;)


LOL:D :D May be I will go with you on this challenge one day. I could use a little lightening up of my purple color:)

[concernedwnyer]

Do you have a gieger counter and a digital camera or video recorder?

Best way to remove all doubt is to show people.

I think there are issues in NF but I do not think they are as bad as Nuclearlou is making it out to be. I will call his possile bluff:)

[concernedwnyer]

Here you go...1 in 4 NYC adults have elevated mercury from eating fish......

Here is the story link from Yahoo News:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070723/ap_on_he_me/mercury_levels&printer=1;_ylt=Aku416eLgxaWpAemtTcQQLda24cA

So you see we are a bunch of SOB's on a path to self distruction. Lou, take your teaspoon of dirt and mix it in with a cup of coffee or tea, add some sugar, and some cream. You will be fine....

If I may ask why are you dumping so much on Niagara Falls????? Were you personally injured or irradicated in some way????

Speaking of irradication, what happened to the planned food irradication program that was suppose to go into affect?????? All produce was supposed to be zapped by radiation remember???

[nuclearlou]

Secret once for more than 60 years, let it be known--
According to Department of Energy records (and other documents), Niagara Falls, New York, industry, was the free world's largest production center for Uranium and other radioactive metals for the entire Manhattan A-bomb Project and into the Atomic Energy Commission days.

"Food irradiation" is not the same as what's buried around WNY willy-nilly. Not the same at all.

ConcernedWNYer: I'm NOT the one that ever "dumped" anything on Niagara Falls, New York. I'm merely telling you what others and industry have dumped. There's a difference. Really, there is.

As a matter of fact, I have been irradiated and these things have touched my family and friends. I'm getting a dose right now just sitting here, from the artifically elevated background levels of radiation left behind as a result of these secret atomic projects and then the legal reporting rates were purposefully changed (in 1973) to match the rise.

Yes, I've had what's believed to be "Beta-burns" from locally available radioactive waste materials left laying around or buried.

There are those that would love to see me "irradicated" and or "irradiated."

CocnernedWVer: If you'd like, we can meet at the public bowling alley over there at the Niagara Falls Boulevard location. You can carry the radiation detection instrument into the parking lot and see the results for yourself. We could probably get WNYresident and maybe others to come along--forget about eating the dirt (I wouldn't do that to you anyway--you could easily die).

I'd would however, like to have you see the meter for yourself with the instrument running. I could make a believer out of you in a couple of minutes flat. That invitation is open to anyone here on the MB. Anytime.

[Dr Funky]

Buffalo Ave getting repaved!!????
































Its official.




Hell has frozen over.





its the end of the world

[WNYresident]

If the old paving is radioactive how do they did it up without the dust being breathed in?

[Effigy]

If the old paving is radioactive how do they dig it up without the dust being breathed in?

Depends on how deep the radioactive layer is and how comprehensive the repave is going to be. If it was simply a "mill & cap" job where they strip off the top couple of inches of blacktop and replace it with new, it probably wouldn't be that big of a deal. However, this:


The street won’t just be undergoing the usual paving and line re-striping. Plans include new curbs, replacing utilities and other amenities.

may indicate serious digging. I hope for the sake of neighborhoods downwind from the work that they keep stuff wetted down so it doesn't blow around too much.

[SundayNiagara]

I'm just happy something is being done. Especially, the LaSalle portion.

[Mary3]

The road projects that will be done on Buffalo Ave. and Lewiston Rd. should be monitored by someone. When I wrote and called some of the State agency persons, they had no idea there was going to be a road project on Buffalo Ave. and that was over 4 months ago.

When I get to scanning the documents about this "parking lot" from the FOIA documents, I will create a new file on the link below.

You can find the full data of some of the problems at the following site:
https://backup.filesanywhere.com/v.asp?v=%89pb%8DZg%AB%AA%AE%A3

Go to Niagara Falls Lewiston and Porter file
you can download the full 1986 report from Oak Ridge National Lab.

If you are interested on other parts of WNY, you can go through the link for
information.

I am in the process of updating the database for EVERYONE to see.

Just remember when reading documents from various agencies, the words they use is the key to your questions as well as the factual data they give you. Stay away from blanket statements like "slag material". Just like chemistry, if you add little more of this and that, you actually don't have "slag material" or in the case of the Bowling Alley issue, statements such as "have tested" but the fact was the equipment was malfunctioning when you read further on in the report. That's if you care.

Oh, make sure you look at other posts of certain people who seem to be "ignoring" very important facts and distracting you. Remember in any sport, KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE BALL.

Don't take bits and pieces of information, get the whole story. As time goes on, more facts come to light when it must.

All these redundent blogs have a purpose but the facts from certain members are "partial" and never fully realized even years after the "tease". As more data is given and available, I will post again, IN FULL.

Judith Mokhiber
Member New York State Advisory Council on Children's Environmental Health and Safety until January 22, 2008

[Downstate Buffaloian]

The road projects that will be done on Buffalo Ave. and Lewiston Rd. should be monitored by someone. When I wrote and called some of the State agency persons, they had no idea there was going to be a road project on Buffalo Ave. and that was over 4 months ago.

When I get to scanning the documents about this "parking lot" from the FOIA documents, I will create a new file on the link below.

You can find the full data of some of the problems at the following site:
https://backup.filesanywhere.com/v.asp?v=%89pb%8DZg%AB%AA%AE%A3

Go to Niagara Falls Lewiston and Porter file
you can download the full 1986 report from Oak Ridge National Lab.

If you are interested on other parts of WNY, you can go through the link for
information.

I am in the process of updating the database for EVERYONE to see.

Just remember when reading documents from various agencies, the words they use is the key to your questions as well as the factual data they give you. Stay away from blanket statements like "slag material". Just like chemistry, if you add little more of this and that, you actually don't have "slag material" or in the case of the Bowling Alley issue, statements such as "have tested" but the fact was the equipment was malfunctioning when you read further on in the report. That's if you care.

Oh, make sure you look at other posts of certain people who seem to be "ignoring" very important facts and distracting you. Remember in any sport, KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE BALL.

Don't take bits and pieces of information, get the whole story. As time goes on, more facts come to light when it must.

All these redundent blogs have a purpose but the facts from certain members are "partial" and never fully realized even years after the "tease". As more data is given and available, I will post again, IN FULL.

Judith Mokhiber
Member New York State Advisory Council on Children's Environmental Health and Safety until January 22, 2008

Thanks for the post. I will stay out of the argument between you and Lou. I think both of you (when you are not fighting)have had interesting info to post.

I look foward to any additional information anyone has on this topic.

[Dr Funky]

They banned Lou a long time ago from here

[nuclearlou]

ANTHONY:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/nuclearlou/postmanipulation.jpg

This post was removed and the thread title was either changed or another one was brought forth. This isn't what was here at 10:30 p.m.
Who deleted, added comments to another thread and then, that thread was brought forward. What's up with that?

How regretful.


Here's the original post, thread and my comment that was just removed, including all of the indicia of this site.

Today, 10:32 PM #133
nuclearlou
Gold Member

Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 241

I Beg Your Pardon!

Downstate: Be VERY cautious in downloading ANY file that isn't from a recognized web site. I've had "trouble" with some of the links...and "flu-type" symptoms---if you get what I mean...wink-y.

With regard to "interesting info": Take what you want with a grain of salt...however, I would suggest that we speak personally. With regard to "the other blog forum" site that has been established and you've recently visited. I've limited access to it because of "prying eyes" and you can still gain access by going back and re-applying. I'll approve you immediately upon receipt of your post. I've made it totally private due to some very interesting hits it was receiving/ like dot-gov.s etc. There's plenty of agenda and ask yourself this question--WHY all the dogged and harrassing comments on so many forums? Now, for more than two years and on nearly every public forum I've attended. Go look at what's been done at the NG forum and then I think you may have your answer of who's acting on agenda or not.

Notice the use of an "offical" title. Have you ever heard of a politically appointed environmental activist? Apparently, there's an interest in spreading further mis-information and from what I've been informed, there's only one member of this "organization." Notice that another, seperate thread wasn't created and this was brought back to the top.

The "slag" comments are directly from my hand written notes that were on the government survey conducted one year BEFORE the document that's being invited for download. There's a direct link to that info. The original doc. was left at a now defunct radio show in Buffalo and that's the origin of the entire discussion about "slag." CAUTION-CAUTION. This is the most salient point of all.

I don't wish this to be yet another back-and-forth and don't wish to participate in it and the other kinds of ill-informed trash that's been posted to this thread.

I'm still around. Send me a private email w your address and I'll see that you get a copy (DVD) of a recent television program that aired on Nov. 15, along with some startling health information that's not been revealed in WNY.

Sorry that you thought I was banned Tree. Not.
__________________
Cordially,
Nuclear Lou
"Los Alamos East"
Niagara Falls * Lewiston-Porter * Western New York
www.atomicniagara.wny.org
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[WNYresident]

Because I thought it was lame you started speakupniagara.com

Click on the link in your signature

http://www.atomicniagara.wny.org/

Where does it take you?

speakupniagara.com

I moved your thread to a new "check this out" thread to discuss it.

[WNYresident]

In my opinion it's rather tacky.

Did you think that name up all by yourself? :D

[nuclearlou]

Anthony: WHY would YOU of all people do this? Where is the place you just mentioned? Is it here? You want to discuss this? With me or in general?

If you'll notice, the link is not available publicly and is NOT in competition with your site in anyway. WOW. Are you angry that the names are similar? Is THAt reason to manipulate and change these posts? I thought that you've stated in the past that you don't do this sort of thing?

Will you be deleting or moving this post too? "Tacky" is what's happened here in the past--and just now. My GOD. Did I think it up on my own? No. It's a direct spinoff of this site. If you recall, you offered to set one (a discussion site) for many folks. I thought I'd set this up and act as my own moderator. THEN, I was going to ask YOU if you wanted to link it or join so' it wouldn't be done to like previously. JEESH.

Maybe there is no such thing as mutual efforts for a community.

[Downstate Buffaloian]

Somebody did in fact delete Lou's post. It was there and then it was gone. I saw it with my own eyes. It really makes me doubt the integrity of this board. It's one of the reasons I haven't been posting much lately.

Also, the level of conversation on this board has sunk to a pretty low level. Seems like most of the new posters only want to talk about mindless drivel. I guess the dumbing down of America has finally reached Speak Up WNY!

[WNYresident]

http://www.speakupwny.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16806


I took a completely off topic post and started a new thread with it. I think commented I thought it was tacky that Lou started speakupniagara.com messageboard.

You asked me to remove the post but instead I started a clean thread about it. Lou even found it.

[Ragin]

Somebody did in fact delete Lou's post. It was there and then it was gone. I saw it with my own eyes. It really makes me doubt the integrity of this board. It's one of the reasons I haven't been posting much lately.

The posts, ALL OF THEM, starting with Mary3's post today were moved to this thread as the topic addressed Buffalo Ave paving, not the bowling alley where they were originally posted. Is it that hard to understand why we want threads to stay on topic? :rolleyes:


Also, the level of conversation on this board has sunk to a pretty low level. Seems like most of the new posters only want to talk about mindless drivel. I guess the dumbing down of America has finally reached Speak Up WNY!

that's your opinion. No one's forcing you to read any threads you have no interest in. :rolleyes:

[Downstate Buffaloian]

http://www.speakupwny.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16806


I took a completely off topic post and started a new thread with it. I think commented I thought it was tacky that Lou started speakupniagara.com messageboard.


The thread was moved around several times during the last hour. It will probably end up in the Engineering Society thread next:rolleyes:

[Downstate Buffaloian]

The posts, ALL OF THEM, starting with Mary3's post today were moved to this thread as the topic addressed Buffalo Ave paving, not the bowling alley where they were originally posted. Is it that hard to understand why we want threads to stay on topic? :rolleyes:


Ragin, why are you responding to me? I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to the Res. We're you the one who moved Lou's post?

[nuclearlou]

Today, 12:18 AM #32
WNYresident
Gold Member



Join Date: May 2003
Location: Cheektowaga
Posts: 20,842

http://www.speakupwny.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16806


I took a completely off topic post and started a new thread with it. I think commented I thought it was tacky that Lou started speakupniagara.com messageboard.

You asked me to remove the post but instead I started a clean thread about it.

Lou even found it.
__________________
--I'd rather be known as the man behind the curtain versus the idiots with the smoke and mirrors -

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Lou writes-
I didn't ask for a post to be removed. Did you Downstate?

[Downstate Buffaloian]

Lou writes-
I didn't ask for a post to be removed. Did you Downstate?

No, I did not ask for your post to be removed. I asked that my post be removed from the original thread after they removed your post. They initially didn't move Dr. Funky's and my response to Mary3's comment along with yours to the new location and I thought it was redundant to keep DF's and my comment in the old thread.

[WNYresident]

Downstate did, not you... I assumed this was the one he was refering to..

I just started a clean thread wanting to discuss you starting speakupniagara. You just sat there one day and said dammit. :) I'm gonna start a messageboard like speakupwny and call it speakupniagara.

[Ragin]

Ragin, why are you responding to me? I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to the Res. We're you the one who moved Lou's post?

no, I didnt move Lou's post out of this thread.

Not too quick on the uptake are ya?




I'm outta here .. Good Luck Res .. you're gonna need it ;) :) :D

[Ragin]

back on topic ...


The road projects that will be done on Buffalo Ave. and Lewiston Rd. should be monitored by someone. When I wrote and called some of the State agency persons, they had no idea there was going to be a road project on Buffalo Ave. and that was over 4 months ago.

When I get to scanning the documents about this "parking lot" from the FOIA documents, I will create a new file on the link below.

You can find the full data of some of the problems at the following site:
https://backup.filesanywhere.com/v.asp?v=%89pb%8DZg%AB%AA%AE%A3

Go to Niagara Falls Lewiston and Porter file
you can download the full 1986 report from Oak Ridge National Lab.

If you are interested on other parts of WNY, you can go through the link for
information.

I am in the process of updating the database for EVERYONE to see.

Just remember when reading documents from various agencies, the words they use is the key to your questions as well as the factual data they give you. Stay away from blanket statements like "slag material". Just like chemistry, if you add little more of this and that, you actually don't have "slag material" or in the case of the Bowling Alley issue, statements such as "have tested" but the fact was the equipment was malfunctioning when you read further on in the report. That's if you care.

Oh, make sure you look at other posts of certain people who seem to be "ignoring" very important facts and distracting you. Remember in any sport, KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE BALL.

Don't take bits and pieces of information, get the whole story. As time goes on, more facts come to light when it must.

All these redundent blogs have a purpose but the facts from certain members are "partial" and never fully realized even years after the "tease". As more data is given and available, I will post again, IN FULL.

Judith Mokhiber
Member New York State Advisory Council on Children's Environmental Health and Safety until January 22, 2008


Thanks for the post. I will stay out of the argument between you and Lou. I think both of you (when you are not fighting)have had interesting info to post.

I look foward to any additional information anyone has on this topic.

[Ragin]

Thank you Mary3 ... hard facts on this (Buffalo Ave) and other sites from reliable sources would be appreciated.

I look forward to your future posts here.

[Mary3]

Thank you Mary3 ... hard facts on this (Buffalo Ave) and other sites from reliable sources would be appreciated.

I look forward to your future posts here.

Here are some of the correspondence regarding the Buffalo Ave.
Keeping the DEC and DOH aware to do their job which is to PROTECT THE COMMUNITY AND OUR ENVIRONMENT.

Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:41 AM
From: jmokhiber
To: James.Devald: niagaracounty.com <James.Devald@niagaracounty.com>
Subject: Buffalo Ave. Niagara Falls, NY
Size: 4 KB

Dear Mr. Devald,

I didn't know if you knew about the road project on Buffalo Ave. in
Niagara Falls, NY. In the Oak Ridge National Lab report from 1986 shows
several areas that are possible health and safety issue. Please let me know
if you are aware of the project and if the same consideration will be given as
the Lewiston Rd. project.

Judith Mokhiber


Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:16:02 -0400
From: <jmokhiber
To: "Stephen M. Gavitt" <smg03@health.state.ny.us>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Dr. Resnikoff's report regarding LOOW Project

Mr. Gavitt,
Link below is the article regarding the road project.

http://www.niagara-gazette.com/local/local_story_203224444.html

Judith Mokhiber

---- "Stephen M. Gavitt" <smg03@health.state.ny.us> wrote:


Ms. Mokhiber,

We are not aware of a Buffalo Ave road project. However we are available
to discuss this with the City of Niagara Falls and other agencies. Thank
you.

Steve Gavitt.


Dear Mr. Gavitt,

Buffalo Ave. in the City of Niagara Falls is scheduled for road project.
I hope same consideration will be made for Buffalo Ave. eventhough it's not
as populated with residential homes.

Please let me know what is being done on the part of the health department
on conjuction with the DEC.

Respectfully,

Judith Mokhiber

[nuclearlou]

Yes, indeed. Thank you Mary3 (Judith Mokhiber
Member New York State Advisory Council on Children's Environmental Health and Safety until January 22, 2008)--for your 10 post reliability and "factual" info..:D

Did you ever get those "corrupted" files corrected? ..:mad:

I would also like to thank Ragintaxpayer and WNYRes for their "close attention" last night and into the wee hours of this a.m. to the subject matter...:o

RELATED Subject matter
http://www.speakupwny.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14254


Mary3, as a political appointee, would you care to introduce yourself to everyone here and give a little background on when you became involved in this, where you're originally from and maybe some info on close relationships and who you are related to?

This forum may be interested in those FACTS too. Just a thought.
:eek:

[nuclearlou]

See also:
http://www.speakupwny.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14254

Originally Posted by Downstate Buffaloian
Ragin, why are you responding to me? I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to the Res. We're you the one who moved Lou's post?

Ragintaxpayer responds-
no, I didnt move Lou's post out of this thread.

Not too quick on the uptake are ya?

---


Lou responds to the above-
Nowhere that I can see did DownstateB ask specifically about a post being removed from this thread. His comment was with regard to the shuffling done last night and this a.m., and posts removed and replaced.

His (DB) comment was about posts being moved around in general and threads being shuffled, then remixed. I do understand why he wouldn't want only one or two posts moved--out of sequence, out of context, or moved in general. Is this standard op. procedure here at SpeakUPWNY?

I can also understand why the "So you want to go bowling" thread was was not wanted to be on top.
http://www.speakupwny.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14254

IMHO--I feel the insult to Downstate was unwarranted and ill informed. Please read more carefully these posts and threads. Please follow along.

As far as staying "on topic..." the subject IS quite ON. Same subject, same topic, different location. Same problem. They abound.

HAVE A NICE DAY TO ALL.

[BorderBob]

My brain hurts!!

b.b.

[Mary3]

Yes, indeed. Thank you Mary3 (Judith Mokhiber
Member New York State Advisory Council on Children's Environmental Health and Safety until January 22, 2008)--for your 10 post reliability and "factual" info..:D

Did you ever get those "corrupted" files corrected? ..:mad:

I would also like to thank Ragintaxpayer and WNYRes for their "close attention" last night and into the wee hours of this a.m. to the subject matter...:o

RELATED Subject matter
http://www.speakupwny.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14254


Mary3, as a political appointee, would you care to introduce yourself to everyone here and give a little background on when you became involved in this, where you're originally from and maybe some info on close relationships and who you are related to?

This forum may be interested in those FACTS too. Just a thought.
:eek:

Mr. Lou,

How interesting you have several names in the "Speak Up Western New York" blogs. ;)

All members of ALL committees are political appointees. :D

Why do you pertend to be someone else here?

Here is the link for those who want the complete report instead of Lou's bits and pieces.

https://backup.filesanywhere.com/v.asp?v=%89pb%8DZg%AB%AA%AE%A3

Much more information in the above site besides Buffalo Ave.

Should I tell everyone what your other names are? NO

I'm not like you.

I hope you will stop your attacks when my appointment is over on January 22, 2008 (after that date....it's a whole new world for me in these forums)

Try not to distract people from the facts.

How come when you were on TV talking about radiological problems, you never mentioned the Lewiston Rd. issue? If people look at the Oak Ridge report from 1986, you will see there are far greater risks (100 annomalies, and over 50 in Niagara Falls, NY).

Lou, you should go to the library for those reports you are asking about like everyone else.

Judith Mokhiber

[nuclearlou]

Sorry Mary3 Judith Mokhiber: I have never posted to this site with any other name and have only one account. Why not ask the owner WNYResident?

That's another tid bit of misinformation.

[nuclearlou]

Sorry "Mary3"--Judith Mokhiber:

I have never posted to this site with any other name and have only one account. Why not ask the owner, WNYResident to check for you?

That's another tid-bit of misinformation on your part. You have many.

Judith Mokhiber writes-
"How interesting you have several names in the "Speak Up Western New York" blogs."
:o
--
First: I didn't know that this was several blog(s) here (SpeakupWNY)--sounds singular to me.
Second: NO other names.
Third: I don't PRETEND. Spelled Pretend./:)

YOU, however, ARE a political appointee of State Senator George Maziarz, Assemblymember Francine Delmonte and State Majority Leader Joseph Bruno.

As a matter of FACT--as of this moment, I am now considering these posts of yours to be direct political attacks sanctioned by those named.

According to NYS Law, you were supposed to file personal financial statements back in May of this year. Did you and your husband ever do that? It IS required as public information because of your appointment?

Nope, no agenda coming from MY end....L:OLOL:

Hey folks--as some of you have already written to me (thanks)--this one's a ROCK SOLID POLITICAL RINGER! :(

Psst--The link you keep leaving has some serious tracking cookies and had at least one virus. WHY are you inviting people to go there when all of these documents can be directly linked or placed on Photobucket? Hmmmm. :rolleyes:

CAREFUL WITH THIS ONE FOLKS.

[SundayNiagara]

How long will this go on? Attacks such as this by Lou are just one of the reasons ALL of his posts/threads were deleted from the Gazette forums.

[Mary3]

Sorry "Mary3"--Judith Mokhiber:

I have never posted to this site with any other name and have only one account. Why not ask the owner, WNYResident to check for you?

First of all, there was a private message but I did not answer privately, but publically.

That's another tid-bit of misinformation on your part. You have many.

Judith Mokhiber writes-
"How interesting you have several names in the "Speak Up Western New York" blogs."
:o
--
First: I didn't know that this was several blog(s) here (SpeakupWNY)--sounds singular to me.
Second: NO other names.
Third: I don't PRETEND. Spelled Pretend./:)

YOU, however, ARE a political appointee of State Senator George Maziarz, Assemblymember Francine Delmonte and State Majority Leader Joseph Bruno.

That's correct. All appointees for all the committees in New York State are from elected people.

As a matter of FACT--as of this moment, I am now considering these posts of yours to be direct political attacks sanctioned by those named.

Sorry, you are wrong and I'm sure they are much too busy to be looking at these blogs. Are you that important that they would actually do that? What type of power do you have that they would actually care?

According to NYS Law, you were supposed to file personal financial statements back in May of this year. Did you and your husband ever do that? It IS required as public information because of your appointment?

Oh, that's only if there is any fiduciary investments over certain amounts. I guess you have never fully read the public officer's law

Nope, no agenda coming from MY end....L:OLOL:

Hey folks--as some of you have already written to me (thanks)--this one's a ROCK SOLID POLITICAL RINGER! :(

Rock solid? Let me guess, those rocks are from what planet? :rolleyes:

Psst--The link you keep leaving has some serious tracking cookies and had at least one virus. WHY are you inviting people to go there when all of these documents can be directly linked or placed on Photobucket? Hmmmm. :rolleyes:

CAREFUL WITH THIS ONE FOLKS.

Wow, trying to stop the free information to the public. Telling lies again and creating FEAR. Kind of like the Iran nuclear issue. By the way, why are you posting here and not in our local blog? What happened, too many people got to know you? It seems you keep leaving organizations, blogs, etc. but still continue the same rehashing of old information with NO solutions. What happend to my post from last night?

Many free exchange of information WILL CONTINUE for those who want to know the truth.


Lou has tried to stop the free flow of information to the public in the Tonawandas, Niagara Falls, Lewiston, Porter, and many other areas of WNY. He likes to "control" the data to you in bits and pieces. Well, the link shows you the ENTIRE document and you need to decide for yourself what needs to be done for the safety and health of the community you live in. He has also used the data from the link above for his own purposes. I have never really known Lou until these attacks by him for 2 years.

Files Anywhere was created to protect the data from past and not disappear and forgotten. This is to protect our children now and in the future. Several documents have disappeared from several agency websites with no possibility for the public to see again.

[nuclearlou]

WarBonnet....= Mark Breznay errr. Sunday Niagara.. Snore. How'd YOU get back in? That's rhetorical, just an FYI to others.

Mary3-Judith Mokhiber: Are you sure you want the truth.? To me, it looks like you can't handle the truth. At least you've left none here (or other places around). Have you seen any of the posts made elsewhere in this same vein?

Truth is this; You're a political appointee and a hack. Sorry, but for someone who's only lived here in WNY all of a couple of years and originally from KOREA... "Listen Rosie," I'm watching M.A.S.H. right now and you could have been a "character" in those flicks.

I find this rather boring like old news. Like I said, YOU should see the back comments coming in to me via email. I guess it could be said; "The Jig is Up."

Judith: You're from KOREA and Hubby is second in line from the AAADL (Others, yes, please ask..)

Did I mention SS George Maziarz, NYSAss. Francine Delmonte and multo-majority mucho Joseph Bruno? (Hey Gov-are you watching this?)
Oh yeah, I think I said that.
:D :D :D

Go figure.
Night all. POLITICAL attacks and mis/dis-information...no one here's fooled.

[nuclearlou]

English class.

IF you're going to live here, at least learn to speak and write like US Americans. Second language? Third?

;)

[Mary3]

Here is the whole data folks. Lou likes to keep you hanging and depend on him for all the info.

What has being a Korean have to do with anything?

Here is the FULL report that Lou keeps posting since year 2000? Is that the year you started being involved? By the way, why do you keep posting the same old article in Artvoice? Most credible journals, articles are written with footnotes for the source of information as well as bibiography. Yours have none.

For those who is waiting on every breath of Lou's posts (turning blue yet?)
here is the full report from Oak Ridge National Lab from 1986.

https://backup.filesanywhere.com/v.asp?v=%89pb%8DZg%AB%AA%AE%A3

Look up file Niagara Falls Lewiston and Porter
then go to
Oak Ridge National Lab report from 1986

Oh, why did you not say anything on TV about the Lewiston Rd project and for the first time the State and the City actually will be creating a operating procedure to protect the workers and the community?

Will this post be removed too?

I'm waiting to see if you get back on TV. I did send the host the informations that I felt he needed to see. ;)

[Ragin]

How long will this go on? Attacks such as this by Lou are just one of the reasons ALL of his posts/threads were deleted from the Gazette forums.

Rest assured, it will not go on much longer on SUWNY :)

I can assure you, personal attacks aqnd endless bickering will no longer be tolerated on SUWNY. At the present time there is a new forum called the "Drama Room" up and running. All personal attacks and endless bickering, whether it be numerous posts or entire threads, will be moved there until the start of 2008, at which time SUWNY will adapt new TOS Rules that will be strictly enforced and the consequences will be harsh.

Bans will not be up to debate!

[Ragin]

"Sorry, but for someone who's only lived here in WNY all of a couple of years and originally from KOREA... "Listen Rosie," I'm watching M.A.S.H. right now and you could have been a "character" in those flicks."

"Judith: You're from KOREA and Hubby is second in line from the AAADL (Others, yes, please ask..)"

"Go figure.
Night all. POLITICAL attacks and mis/dis-information...no one here's fooled."


English class.

IF you're going to live here, at least learn to speak and write like US Americans. Second language? Third?

;)

Nuclearlou ...

How does Mary3's ethnicity make her any less credible than anyone else? What's the difference if she has a Korean, Thai, or Vietnamese background?

If you haven't noticed, there is a large number of renowned doctors, scientists, environmentalists, and researchers that are not US born or are 1st generation Americans. I see no point in making an issue over one's ethnic background or turning this into another racist thread.

Personal attacks and racism will not be tolerated! I've notified the admin and the other moderators of SUWNY of your comments in this thread.

Personal attacks, racism, and misinformation .... no one here is fooled


,

[nuclearlou]

Ragintaxpayer: As a moderator of this board it's germaine that someone has only lived here less than five years. I don't care which country of origin.

It is also obvious that personal attacks ARE allowed to be made on some people, such as you've just exhibited by not making your statement in a general fashion but instead, have directed it at me. I have NEVER, repeat NEVER launched ANY personal attacks and have only defended myself. Which apparently, is also not tolerated according to subject matter and author. This evening alone, I was called a fraud and my personal name was used--including my last name. I've NEVER signed anything here that I can recall with my name, only nuclearlou. All you need to do is look up in this very thread.

I didn't allow War Bonnet to return and didn't acknowledge him UNTIL again I was attacked. This has become the standard operating procedure around here and that's unfortunate.

My background and research is accepted at many high levels of science and to have it debased on SpeakupWNY by annonymous posters helps NO ONE in WNY contrary to the site's Mission Statement, both here and as a registered statement on the InterNic database.

There's NOT been one legitimate debate here as I can see it, only these kinds of personal attacks regarding the singular subject matter that I comment upon or post here.

It's unfair and biased for you to direct your attention and comments only to me--as in the above. It is unfortunate further that the site owner has allowed this to happen and continue. While I was on "suspension" (NOT "ban" - which seems to have been reworded now even by the owner), I was continually attacked by you, Steven, Yokes and a few others WHILE I WASN'T EVEN HERE during the month of August as the "So you want to go bowling" thread clearly exhibits.
[Begin here: http://www.speakupwny.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14254

That's also unfortunate. Your bias showed through the other day when you made a "snide" remark to someone who only has a few posts here and joined on the very same day as the remarks started.

At the time this comment was made by you, this new poster, Mary3 had all of about 5 comments. I can understand welcoming any new poster but perhaps the time to have made your comment that you made tonight would have been on Mary3's first disparaging remark about me in her very first post. Go back and take a look at it.
http://www.speakupwny.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13848&page=2
Post number #24
Which BTW--was posted to the "Bowling" thread fully 4 months after the last post was made to THAT thread. I DID NOT post "off-topic" as was stated. A "new" poster came here to this forum, made a disparaging post on a VERY Aged thread trying to further an agenda of character assasination and I merely resonded in a protective fashion on a thread that I was indelibly involved in.

All of the comments that you and WNYResident are now referring to were on THAT thread and not this one. I feel that this thread was added to because of the initial remaks made and that the bowling thread showed quite a different picture with the photos and BorderBob's comments. Others also feel that this was purposely done in some attempt to cause additional questions about my veracity.

I have more than seven years of research into this subject matter, have been published around the planet about it (U.S., Germany, Japan, etc.). I have sat on the board of directors of a World Health Organization and have invested thousands of dollars on documents, equipment, travel and membership associations.

It's also too bad for the residents of WNY that this info is being supressed by those that have absolutely NO background--educational or otherwise invested in the healthy outcome of what I wrote about. This seems to include you.

Please feel free to remove this post also as there were two yesterday evening that simply "disappeared."

I'll repeat this another time for all--I have NEVER been the one to launch AN uprovoked attack and have ONLY addressed those addressing me with facts and like responses in defense of myself, my position, research, knowledge and anyone's kids who might benefit from knowing what's around them in the environment.

I would expect a better, more professional response from you if you decide to respond. It would be nice to see personal attacks end from all involved.

Sincerely,

[Ragin]

Nulearlou ...

Mary3's original post, as I read it, http://www.speakupwny.com/forums/showpost.php?p=271030&postcount=24 was not an attack on you. In fact, Downstate Buffaloian, one of your biggest supporters, thanked her for her information and providing links he felt to be informative. In fact, it was Downstate Buffaloian himself, who was the first person to even mention your name. However, the first sentence in your subsequent post following these posts made baseless accusations that Mary3's links contained viruses and should not be opened/read by others.

Any comments made by me was in direct response to WNYresident, under a topic started by WNYresident, in another forum. I was not speaking to you at all. He invited comment on the subject which questioned your use of a domain very similar to the domain owned and operated by Res for many years now. I merely made an observation that it gave the illusion that it was linked to speakupwny, and gave him my own opinion as we do in every thread on SU. I did not expect you to agree with my analysis, nor did I care.

As per the rest of your post, I will not allow you to draw me into an argument over your "perceived" persecutions, real or imagined, here on SUWNY or anywhere else on or off the internet.

I addressed your racist comments (aka personal attacks) to Mary3 and nothing else. As a moderator, that is what I do. I overlooked all the other comments made, as they did not, imo, go over the line, but IMO, racism and racist comments cross the line of civility.

To all involved:

It is also against SUWNY's code of conduct, to request and/or post identifying information about another member. Such behaviour could lead to suspension of posting rights and/or banning.




(I can't wait until the TOS goes into effect in 2008 :) )

[nuclearlou]

Ragintaxpayer... How curious is this?

But yet, with ALL of the editing and movement of posts made in the last 36-48 hours...there remains the proper name above. SEE POST #53.

SWEET. Whatever.
--

Ragintaxpayer writes-
"To all involved:"

"It is also against SUWNY's code of conduct, to request and/or post identifying information about another member. Such behaviour could lead to suspension of posting rights and/or banning."
-

I also wonder "for many years," WHY a TOS isn't ALREADY in place? Curious 2X.
-

Whatever. 3X.

[Mary3]

WarBonnet....= Mark Breznay errr. Sunday Niagara.. Snore. How'd YOU get back in? That's rhetorical, just an FYI to others.

Mary3-Judith Mokhiber: Are you sure you want the truth.? To me, it looks like you can't handle the truth. At least you've left none here (or other places around). Have you seen any of the posts made elsewhere in this same vein?

Truth is this; You're a political appointee and a hack. Sorry, but for someone who's only lived here in WNY all of a couple of years and originally from KOREA... "Listen Rosie," I'm watching M.A.S.H. right now and you could have been a "character" in those flicks.

I find this rather boring like old news. Like I said, YOU should see the back comments coming in to me via email. I guess it could be said; "The Jig is Up."

Judith: You're from KOREA and Hubby is second in line from the AAADL (Others, yes, please ask..)

Did I mention SS George Maziarz, NYSAss. Francine Delmonte and multo-majority mucho Joseph Bruno? (Hey Gov-are you watching this?)
Oh yeah, I think I said that.
:D :D :D

Go figure.
Night all. POLITICAL attacks and mis/dis-information...no one here's fooled.

What do you mean by my hubby being in second in line from the AAADL?
Absolutely Adorable Arab Dedicated League?
There is no secret about my hubby. He is always for the underdog. His family has been here for 100 years and are friends with ALL races and supports civil rights of ALL people around the world.

YOU WILL NOT ATTACK THE INTEGRITY OF MY HUSBAND! :mad:

Don't EVER get my family involved in OUR conversations. :mad:

I am proud to be a Korean who was adopted by a Polish/German father, Irish Mother with a daugher who is part Italian, with a husband who is Lebanese, and a stepdaughter who is Irish, Polish and ? :D

Also, Lou, I am not accountable for what my husband's many cousins and relations do. Don't ever imply our involvements of any of the many cousins in this area. Like all families, we have Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Greens, Progressives, right wing, left wing, middle, indifference, racial hatred, racial equality, pro life, pro choice, good, band and not too many ugly.

Enough said.

I heard you saying that the community needs to get together and form a group to bring the environmental problems to light and DO SOMETHING. For the community to come together, you need to give the facts to the community first in FULL and as more information comes out, give them the factual information. If the information comming out of the agencies are "flawed" then we need to give alternative studies, tests, and opinions by QUALIFIED, EDUCATED AND RESPECTED scientists, doctors, engineers, etc.

Judith Mokhiber

[nuclearlou]

Dear "Mary3"..:

It's impossible to attack what's NOT there in the first place. That's called "shadow boxing."

Did you and he file the appropriate financial disclosure that certainly was required of you BY LAW back in May 2007, because of your appointment to the "faux-board" (as you sign your name) regarding "Children's Environmental Safety and Health"? Even though, there's NO OTHER members to this politically "created" position and group. Please direct us to their web site or any other information (meeting minutes, meeting dates, etc..) about this "children's safety and health group." Or, how it applies particularly to "paving." ON TOPIC.

That disclosure certainly IS required by Public Officer's Law and was sworn to -- by you -- in the offices of the state in Buffalo, NY. Would you like to see that set of documents? Why not include THAT in your posting place at "Backup..."?? What's to hide? You've sent them around before.

If you're CERTAIN, I'll post everything I do have pertaining to this subject as per your request.
ON TOPIC
"Paving," "paving over" and "bulldozing."
--

PLEASE excuse me for the moment, as I'm having a discussion here with another member of this very forum about the 2002 U.B. study document (Porter Planning Study - Dr. Ute Lerher, Award Winning) that called for the "IMMEDIATE closure and relocation of the Lewiston Porter Schools" .... "because of the contamination and dangers that this presents to the students and staff." [Unquote]

ON TOPIC
Isn't part of that also said to be "slag" and "paving" related?

ON TOPIC
It seems that you go from Lewiston Road paving in Niagara Falls, (NOT Lewiston) to, PCBs, innocuous river discharge, to the Town of Lockport and Middleport about arsenic, then it's off to Tonawanda about the landfill there, back to attacking me and following me around (see: Bowling thread and your first posts here), then it's back to another subject du jour...everything except the schools and children.

OUR HEADS ARE SPINNING. Read around, or, back a page or two.

ALL THE While, seemingly, ignoring your own responsibilities with this state appointed group (where you're the singular member)... taking attention AWAY from the very location where the most students are at risk....That's your own home town. Why's that? Or, shall I answer it for you? ;)

It's also VERY, very dangerous and sad to harbor financial conflicts of interest with regard to any of this "paving over." :eek:
ON TOPIC.

[Mary3]

Dear "Mary3"..:

It's impossible to attack what's NOT there in the first place. That's called "shadow boxing."

Exactly what are you talking about?


Did you and he file the appropriate financial disclosure that certainly was required of you BY LAW back in May 2007, because of your appointment to the "faux-board" (as you sign your name) regarding "Children's Environmental Safety and Health"? Even though, there's NO OTHER members to this politically "created" position and group. Please direct us to their web site or any other information (meeting minutes, meeting dates, etc..) about this "children's safety and health group." Or, how it applies particularly to "paving." ON TOPIC.

First of all, My appointment started in Jauary 22, 2007. Anyone who wishes to check it out can contact the the New York State Department. You got a copy of the letter and certificate by "someone" whom you have never disclosed. You have definately NOT read the public officer's law. I have asked the Governor Spitzer to have Commissioner Daines to appoint by law the 11 members and also asked Assemblyman Silver to appoint the two from his house. Why they have not done so is a mystery. Therefore, I am the only one actually appointed via Senate by Senator Bruno. I have written to Senator Bruno for his help with no response. I have written to many and had no response. Oh, by the way the toxic mold task force that was supposed to be created in 2005 was just appointed by the Governor Spitzer. You can google the article in the New York Times.

Your comment about the paving and how it's related to my appointment is a great questions. First of all, children do play outside, are more valnerable to environment and the possible dangers than the adults. They have developing bodies and brain that needs to be protected from possible harm/exposure.
That disclosure certainly IS required by Public Officer's Law and was sworn to -- by you -- in the offices of the state in Buffalo, NY. Would you like to see that set of documents? Why not include THAT in your posting place at "Backup..."?? What's to hide? You've sent them around before.

...in the offices of the state in Buffalo, NY? :confused:

Financial disclosure:
... who receive annual compensation.....

Sorry Lou, this appointment has ZERO compensation. It's all VOLUNTEER work. From the past probing you have done, I'm sure your are well aware of this. Also, I am NOT elected, or part of the Democratic or Republican Party, was not HIRED or PAID or given any type of COMPENSATIONS...etc.

If you're CERTAIN, I'll post everything I do have pertaining to this subject as per your request.
ON TOPIC
"Paving," "paving over" and "bulldozing."
--

PLEASE excuse me for the moment, as I'm having a discussion here with another member of this very forum about the 2002 U.B. study document (Porter Planning Study - Dr. Ute Lerher, Award Winning) that called for the "IMMEDIATE closure and relocation of the Lewiston Porter Schools" .... "because of the contamination and dangers that this presents to the students and staff." [Unquote]

Let's not just talk about it Lou, why don't you tell the good people that Dr. Gardella at UB is the contact person and any questions people might have need to talk to him since he is Lewison Porter School's spokesperson. :rolleyes:


ON TOPIC
Isn't part of that also said to be "slag" and "paving" related?

ON TOPIC
It seems that you go from Lewiston Road paving in Niagara Falls, (NOT Lewiston) to, PCBs, innocuous river discharge, to the Town of Lockport and Middleport about arsenic, then it's off to Tonawanda about the landfill there, back to attacking me and following me around (see: Bowling thread and your first posts here), then it's back to another subject du jour...everything except the schools and children.

Children's Environmental health and safety! :)

OUR HEADS ARE SPINNING. Read around, or, back a page or two.

ALL THE While, seemingly, ignoring your own responsibilities with this state appointed group (where you're the singular member)... taking attention AWAY from the very location where the most students are at risk....That's your own home town. Why's that? Or, shall I answer it for you? ;)

Please don't ever answer for me. I don't have to take your abuse. Parents have to give their consent for the children to be tested. You can't FORCE them to test their children. But, you can help by giving information that they need to consider the tests that needs to be done. How have you been successful in closing or moving the school Lou? It's a very big deal and it takes time and FACTS for the Niagara County Legislature as well as the school board to agree.

It's also VERY, very dangerous and sad to harbor financial conflicts of interest with regard to any of this "paving over." :eek:
ON TOPIC.

What financial conflict? :mad: That kind of allegation can be grounds for a law suit!

[Dr Funky]

What do you mean by my hubby being in second in line from the AAADL?
Absolutely Adorable Arab Dedicated League?
There is no secret about my hubby. He is always for the underdog. His family has been here for 100 years and are friends with ALL races and supports civil rights of ALL people around the world.

YOU WILL NOT ATTACK THE INTEGRITY OF MY HUSBAND! :mad:

Don't EVER get my family involved in OUR conversations. :mad:

I am proud to be a Korean who was adopted by a Polish/German father, Irish Mother with a daugher who is part Italian, with a husband who is Lebanese, and a stepdaughter who is Irish, Polish and ? :D

Also, Lou, I am not accountable for what my husband's many cousins and relations do. Don't ever imply our involvements of any of the many cousins in this area. Like all families, we have Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Greens, Progressives, right wing, left wing, middle, indifference, racial hatred, racial equality, pro life, pro choice, good, band and not too many ugly.

Enough said.

I heard you saying that the community needs to get together and form a group to bring the environmental problems to light and DO SOMETHING. For the community to come together, you need to give the facts to the community first in FULL and as more information comes out, give them the factual information. If the information comming out of the agencies are "flawed" then we need to give alternative studies, tests, and opinions by QUALIFIED, EDUCATED AND RESPECTED scientists, doctors, engineers, etc.

Judith Mokhiber


Whoa..

And I thought the race topics were getting bad... :eek:

[SundayNiagara]

Quoting Nuclear Lou:

"I have NEVER, repeat NEVER launched ANY personal attacks and have only defended myself."

THE NEW NUMBER ONE BIGGEST LIE OF ALL TIME!

Res & Ragin:

Isn't it time to say bye-bye to this fraud?

[nuclearlou]

Mr Sunday Bonnet:

PLEASE go back to stalking the new children's area on the SpeakUPWNY site--

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Hmmm...

Yes, Res. and Ragin:
Does this fall under the category of :

1. "Off-topic posts"
2. "Personal attacks"
or,
3. "Selective TOS enforcement" ??

Color me curious?

[WNYresident]

This got no where.