Troopers Pay taking a hit

[Deerhunter]

Several Appointees of the State Police received raises, which is bringing to light the Troopers salaries. Rest assured the News will drop an article critical of BPD's salaries in short order. BTW our base pay is 64k after 5 yrs. A Troopers is 88k, bit of a disparity. But what I do find puzzelling is the criticism the BPD takes about their pay while the Troops seem to be accepted. Maybe the tide is turning and they will become the bad guys !!

[OutsidetheBox]

Several Appointees of the State Police received raises, which is bringing to light the Troopers salaries. Rest assured the News will drop an article critical of BPD's salaries in short order. BTW our base pay is 64k after 5 yrs. A Troopers is 88k, bit of a disparity. But what I do find puzzelling is the criticism the BPD takes about their pay while the Troops seem to be accepted. Maybe the tide is turning and they will become the bad guys !!

They're all overpaid in my opinion!

[buffy]

Law enforcement are notorious PENSION PADDERS, they, and correctional officers. I hope it can be revolked b/c we can't afford these ridiculous perks.

[BorderBob]

But what I do find puzzelling is the criticism the BPD takes about their pay while the Troops seem to be accepted. Maybe the tide is turning and they will become the bad guys !!

I agree. I don't think you guys are getting hammered on salary, it is the pension spiking. Can the troopers do that too?


b.b.

[WNYresident]

Troopers are over paid. From what I hear from other BPD officers I know I give the BPD credit hearing what they have to deal with. Doesn't mean they should be allowed to pad their pension though.

Time to cut state troopers salaries.

[FisherRd]

Deerhunter,
My guess is that most people seem to know several BPD members, where as they don't seem to know a whole lot of troopers. I have relatives in both. I know the BPD cop's friends, I couldn't even tell you if the Trooper has any work related friends.
BPD is in the paper all of the time for everything from negotiations, screw-ups, heroics, etc
State Police get in the paper for pulling over a 22 y/o blasedell man on the 219, for cell phone enforcement, and other than a Bucky Phillips or Cat Indian Res debacle, that's it.

BPD draws more attention because there are more of you in a concentrated area. At least that's my take.

[leftWNYbecauseofBS]

Several Appointees of the State Police received raises, which is bringing to light the Troopers salaries. Rest assured the News will drop an article critical of BPD's salaries in short order. BTW our base pay is 64k after 5 yrs. A Troopers is 88k, bit of a disparity. But what I do find puzzelling is the criticism the BPD takes about their pay while the Troops seem to be accepted. Maybe the tide is turning and they will become the bad guys !!


IMO, every cop is UNDERPAID and OVER PENSIONED. I mean a cop on the force for 2 years takes as much risk, if not more, than a cop on for the force for 10. Right?

But until the pension padding stops, bad police are easily removed and stupid people are not allowed on the force...people do not give a sh*t for the most part.

What I find puzzling is you can not see the other perspective. I know you are a smart guy...so that leads me to think you simply do not care about the other perspective.

[Deerhunter]

CO's OT is on a wheel, at least it was at Attica. So senior guys don't get the call first. You sign up and just goes down the list with the person that worked the OT last, the last in line. In the BPD , it is by seniority, regardless when the last time you worked, you get called first if you are most senior. Those are internal bylaws that the body of the Union decides. The Fire Dept has a seniority weighted system where a senior guy gets more call ins than a junior guy, but it does get down to the lowest guy. So I don't see padding in any of those Depts at the Union level. I don't know so can't say what the management members do. I can see a motivation to work more if you are planning to retire, so you will say yes when they call, but don't see how the worker has any control as to when the OT is offered.

What one would consider Bad or Stupid is arbitrary. I've seen a couple guys get canned lately , and agreed they should have. They were bad in my opinion.

[gorja]

Originally posted by Deerhunter:
Several Appointees of the State Police received raises, which is bringing to light the Troopers salaries. Rest assured the News will drop an article critical of BPD's salaries in short order. BTW our base pay is 64k after 5 yrs. A Troopers is 88k, bit of a disparity. But what I do find puzzelling is the criticism the BPD takes about their pay while the Troops seem to be accepted. Maybe the tide is turning and they will become the bad guys !!


WOW! After 5 years, you guys make less than a trooper just graduating from the academy.



Starting Base Salary
Effective April 1, 2010

$50,374 - Starting salary (during Academy training)
$66,905 - Upon graduation from the Academy
$71,261 - After one year
$84,739 - After five years
Salaries do not include: Longevity compensation; hazardous duty compensation; expanded duty pay or additional location compensation for New York City and the following counties: Dutchess, Nassau, Orange, Putnam, Rockland, Suffolk, and Westchester.


http://www.nytrooper.com/salary_benefits.cfm

[Deerhunter]

That's why I don't recommend the BPD job.

[RandMcNally]

Whether it's the police, firemen, teachers, etc; pensions are the huge problem that few politicians want to touch. The longer they wait, the worse the problem gets.

[therising]

Deerhunter:

Generally speaking, I agree that Law Enforcement Officers are underpaid.

You have a better chance of getting killed at work than I do. Yet, I can make more money. On the surface, that may not seem equitable.

But, most of the people in your position can put in their 20 years on the job, and retire with an unbelievably good package in their 40's. I'm in my mid 40's, and I'll probably be working for another 20 years..

Retiring in my age is unfathomable to me.

There are trade-offs, and you've known it from the start - otherwise you probably wouldnt' have taken the job in the first place.

[Dougles]

Deerhunter:

Generally speaking, I agree that Law Enforcement Officers are underpaid.

You have a better chance of getting killed at work than I do.

Cop's don't even hit the top 10 deadliest jobs...

http://www.cnbc.com/id/24131764/?photo=2

[Save Us]

That's why I don't recommend the BPD job.

I have the utmost respect for BPD in general, and NY troopers are way overpaid.....

but Dude,, seriously making a base of 64 thousand (which probably nobody is at that pay level at 5 years after the OT ANYWAY) in a city where the median HOUSEHOLD income is around 33 thousand.....

Cmon....really???

You guys also rank amongst the best paid against other metro areas....

Anyway I appreciate the hard work you guys do. Even if your union blows.

[Deerhunter]

How is that relevant ? Do other professions accept less pay because they work in the city of Buffalo ? IM not in this for charity. It's a job.

[leftWNYbecauseofBS]

How is that relevant ? Do other professions accept less pay because they work in the city of Buffalo ? IM not in this for charity. It's a job.


Are you serious?

The answer is yes. If you compare private sector jobs from one region to another, you will find a pay difference. The pay is determined by the cost of operation, which includes income levels.

[therising]

H Do other professions accept less pay because they work in the city of Buffalo ?

Ummmm, yes.
Most professions make less in Buffao than elsewhere.
You can't possibly be that out of touch with reality.

[Save Us]

How is that relevant ? Do other professions accept less pay because they work in the city of Buffalo ? IM not in this for charity. It's a job.

It is extremely relevant.....

Your employer and your benefactor are taxpayers.....and as such it should be somewhat commensurate with the public you are purportedly serving.


Sure you should be paid a million dollars to do what you do.. unfortunately you have to look at math. Which unions would rather worship Satan than look at numbers.

The other point is that you are paid well considering a benchmark against other metro areas..

Sometimes you can believe your own whining. Kinda like believing your own lies, not saying you lie. Again,, I have respect for you guys but don't go crying because some other bloated overpaid Praetorian guard gets more than you..

Just to put things into perspective.

[Save Us]

Ummmm, yes.
Most professions make less in Buffao than elsewhere.
You can't possibly be that out of touch with reality.

And even then it is a free market economy, where the value is determined by what the market will and CAN bear.

It's a monopoly. You have no choice.

[FisherRd]

IM not in this for charity. It's a job.

Damn that struck me as funny. The fact that a lot of cops have to explain that is unfortunate.
It should be a given that you are in it for the money (sure, some guys may do it for prestige, power, a sense of community, a combination of all, etc) but bills need to be paid. Some times I think people are embarrassed to admit they're working for a paycheck, and to me that's strange.
I pretty much hate what i do, but I'm not going to take a job I actually like if it's less pay, and I'm not embarrassed to admit it.

[therising]

I pretty much hate what i do, but I'm not going to take a job I actually like if it's less pay, and I'm not embarrassed to admit it.

So, you wouldn't strip at a gay club for less money?

[FisherRd]

So, you wouldn't strip at a gay club for less money?

Are drinks included?

[Save Us]

So, you wouldn't strip at a gay club for less money?

Damn, resin.. that was kinda funny,, but you should know better than to taunt Fishy.....:eek::(

I wish I had said it...right along with the Lionel

[Save Us]

Are drinks included?

speaking of................................................ ........

[therising]

Are drinks included?

You're encouraged to have the clientele buy you drinks. It's good for business, plus it helps to "loosen you up."

[Save Us]

You're encouraged to have the clientele buy you drinks. It's good for business, plus it helps to "loosen you up."

Yeah, but you're the guy with the George Takei avatar.....WTF?:eek:

Schaawwwinggg.

[JustRetired]

You're encouraged to have the clientele buy you drinks. It's good for business, plus it helps to "loosen you up."

Are you speaking from experience!?!?!?!

[FisherRd]

Are you speaking from experience!?!?!?!

Are you asking if it loosens him up or are you looking for him to buy you a drink...

[Linda_D]

I agree. I don't think you guys are getting hammered on salary, it is the pension spiking. Can the troopers do that too?


b.b.


Troopers are over paid. From what I hear from other BPD officers I know I give the BPD credit hearing what they have to deal with. Doesn't mean they should be allowed to pad their pension though.

Time to cut state troopers salaries.

It seems that everybody is "overpaid" but you, Rez.

[FisherRd]

It seems that everybody is "overpaid" but you, Rez.

Seeing as though he isn't a public servant, what he's paid is none of your business. On the flipside, public servant's pay is his/our business. Surely you're aware of that?

[Dougles]

Seeing as though he isn't a public servant, what he's paid is none of your business. On the flipside, public servant's pay is his/our business. Surely you're aware of that?

No, she hated knowing that people could find out how much her husband "earned".

[Deerhunter]

Most of you think that the dozen Troopers that work in the City, while doing so, should work at the BPD pay rate ? Run that past them. As well tell the BCI guys that they will make what BPD detectives make, and the DEA And FBI that work along side them as well ! See how that goes !!!

[Save Us]

Most of you think that the dozen Troopers that work in the City, while doing so, should work at the BPD pay rate ? Run that past them. As well tell the BCI guys that they will make what BPD detectives make, and the DEA And FBI that work along side them as well ! See how that goes !!!


The point is that they are overpaid...plain and simple. And overall considering both City and national statistics you are paid fairly.

Now the Sherriffs dept....they are underpaid in my opinion.

[Deerhunter]

I find that interesting. Most of them make more than Bflo Cops when all is said and done. they work in the City too. Why are they underpaid ? As well, how much would you have to be paid to chase after criminals that have guns like BPD do every time they work ? And how long have you worked as a Cop to be able to make that judgement ?

[therising]

I find that interesting.

You know what I find interesting? That civil servants think the rest of us should care what they make.

I'm not saying that in a "I pay your salary, and I think you make too much way." The truth is, I wish you luck, and I hope you can make whatever you can. But, the reality is I don't care about what you - or anyone else - makes. That's your issue, not mine.

I've got my own problems to worry about - I don't need to be concerned with yours.

[Save Us]

I find that interesting. Most of them make more than Bflo Cops when all is said and done. they work in the City too. Why are they underpaid ? As well, how much would you have to be paid to chase after criminals that have guns like BPD do every time they work ? And how long have you worked as a Cop to be able to make that judgement ?

Every Deputy I know complains about it,, I mean all of them! I've ridden with more than a few. I know one that successfully transfered to a suburban dept.,, because of the pay disparity. .. but that is another story.

You keep missing my point....You guys work very hard,, I know plenty of City cops,,

For the millionth time,, State cops are overpaid, I think you guys are fairly compensated all things considered...

You obviously missed my previous posts where I said I appreciate BPD, and think you guys in general are pretty awesome. I think suburban cops are very overpaid as well.

The discussion was about mathematics, economics and benchmarks that's all.