Republicans To Vote On HC Repeal Without Hearings

[Mindcrime]

Politico reported yesterday (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/46985.html) that House Republicans will hold a vote on January 12th to repeal the Affordable Care Act. Democrats quickly accused the new majority of bringing the measure to the floor without allowing time for adequate debate or bipartisan negotiation. Appearing on MSNBC’s Hardball yesterday, Rep. Dan Lungren (R-CA) & Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA) argued that Republicans will force the Congress to vote on repeal without even considering the consequences of completely eliminating the measure.

Is this the level of petulant idiocy we are to expect for the next 2 years? I think so.

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[Dougles]

And the Dem's voted on making it law without holding any hearings...

but Dem's love to pull the "do as I say, not as i do" card huh?

"We have to pass it to know what's in it".

[nogods]

The Republicans want insurance companies to be able to deny coverage for pre-existing conditions? why?

[Mindcrime]

And the Dem's voted on making it law without holding any hearings...

but Dem's love to pull the "do as I say, not as i do" card huh?

"We have to pass it to know what's in it".

House Democrats held over 75 bipartisan hearings since 2008, included Republican amendments and they posted the original House bill online for 30 days.

Republicans, however, intend to post the repeal legislation tonight or tomorrow, are not holding any formal hearings, nor will they be inviting Democrats to participate.

Just another example of Conservatives projecting their own shortcomings on others. :rolleyes:

[dtwarren]

If they held so many hearings and received public input in passing it, along party lines, why are more hearings and public input needed to consider repealing it?

[mnb811]

The Republicans want insurance companies to be able to deny coverage for pre-existing conditions? why?

The Dems want me to pay more for my healthcare because others do not or will not buy it? WHY???

[nogods]

The Dems want me to pay more for my healthcare because others do not or will not buy it? WHY???

Actually no. The Health Care Reform law prohibits insurance companies from refusing to insure a pre-existing condition. and it prevents them from canceling your insurance immediately after learning you have developed an illness or injury.

In order to provide for those two prohibitions it is necessary that the everyone participate in the insurance pool. they go hand in hand.

The republicans are blowing smoke when they say they are for the prohibitions but against mandatory participation. You can't have the prohibitions without the mandatory coverage.

It amazes me that the republicans get people nodding their heads when they make their idiotic claim.

[PickOranges]

They can hold all the hearings and votes they want.. They are wasting the people's time.. I learned in grammar school about check and balances. Most of these guys are lawyers..

Now.. get down to jobs and cutting out the fat.. Get rid of the lobbyists, earmarks and find a better way to do business.

[PickOranges]

The Dems want me to pay more for my healthcare because others do not or will not buy it? WHY???

Because most of the people in Lackawanna are on medicaid..

Why should others have to pay almost our entire county tax on places like Lackawanna that receive medicaid?

[rn55bkwm]

I would like to bring to the attention of all those Republicans who are eager to repeal this law that two portions of it will impact a very large number of constituents: senior citizens.
The 'granny clause' does not exist and indeed will provide education to elders regarding their rights to live or die the way that they choose by way of such documents as DNRs and Health Care Proxies. No one will force elders to choose a speedy death to prevent a costly life.
The other portion is the closing of the 'doughnut hole'. Those who believe in the granny clause (also known as the 'death panel') are comfortable with those same seniors not being able to pay for their medications while in the doughnut hole? Lifesaving medications which I have seen customers leave behind so they can pay for food and heat? Please.
If your bottom line is only the bottom line, your political future is in peril, as there is an increasing level of poverty among the senior population, and we baby boomers vote.

[Dougles]

Because most of the people in Lackawanna are on medicaid..

Why should others have to pay almost our entire county tax on places like Lackawanna that receive medicaid?

Do you have a source for that?

[Dougles]

I would like to bring to the attention of all those Republicans who are eager to repeal this law that two portions of it will impact a very large number of constituents: senior citizens.
The 'granny clause' does not exist and indeed will provide education to elders regarding their rights to live or die the way that they choose by way of such documents as DNRs and Health Care Proxies. No one will force elders to choose a speedy death to prevent a costly life.
The other portion is the closing of the 'doughnut hole'. Those who believe in the granny clause (also known as the 'death panel') are comfortable with those same seniors not being able to pay for their medications while in the doughnut hole? Lifesaving medications which I have seen customers leave behind so they can pay for food and heat? Please.
If your bottom line is only the bottom line, your political future is in peril, as there is an increasing level of poverty among the senior population, and we baby boomers vote.



So your proud of 10 pages of the bill... what about the other 3000?

[mnb811]

Because most of the people in Lackawanna are on medicaid..

Why should others have to pay almost our entire county tax on places like Lackawanna that receive medicaid?

Your an ass. Most of the people I know are not on medicaid they have their own insurence thru work which keeps going up and under OBAMACARE will continue to do so. Wasn't the intent of healthcare reform to reduce premiums? So why are the DEMS pushiing this farce!:eek:

[mnb811]

:mad:
Actually no. The Health Care Reform law prohibits insurance companies from refusing to insure a pre-existing condition. and it prevents them from canceling your insurance immediately after learning you have developed an illness or injury.

In order to provide for those two prohibitions it is necessary that the everyone participate in the insurance pool. they go hand in hand.

The republicans are blowing smoke when they say they are for the prohibitions but against mandatory participation. You can't have the prohibitions without the mandatory coverage.

It amazes me that the republicans get people nodding their heads when they make their idiotic claim.

I am sure some insurence compaines do this but I have switched companies several times and have pre existing conditions and had a serious illness and never once got denied. So maybe we need to keep things exactly the way they are and just PENALIZE the companies who do this by SHUTTING THEM DOWN. Why penalize EVERYONE because of what a few rotten apples do!!!!!!!!

[rn55bkwm]

So your proud of 10 pages of the bill... what about the other 3000?

The part about kids staying on their parents' insurance until they reach 26? Love it. Wish I had had that opportunity when my kids were going to college and I had to COBRA them which was hideously expensive. The part about not paying for people with pre-existing conditions? I have a 4-year old grandson with type 1 diabetes who would struggle to obtain insurance with that back ground and today's job situation.
The part about no ceiling? My niece came close to death last year from swine flu and was flown to Cleveland Clinic. Fortunately, her husband works for the state and has great insurance which covered everything. What about the people who don't? They just die? Go into debt?
Don't love all of it, but to just blunder in and say you're going to get rid of it? Show me a better plan before you do that.

[mesue]

...indeed will provide education to elders regarding their rights to live or die the way that they choose by way of such documents as DNRs and Health Care Proxies.

....
They already have that :confused:

[rn55bkwm]

:mad:

I am sure some insurence compaines do this but I have switched companies several times and have pre existing conditions and had a serious illness and never once got denied. So maybe we need to keep things exactly the way they are and just PENALIZE the companies who do this by SHUTTING THEM DOWN. Why penalize EVERYONE because of what a few rotten apples do!!!!!!!!

Actually, thanks to HIPPA, you were not denied coverage for your existing condition. It's the Health Insurance Portability part of HIPPA which allows you to go from provider to provider. But if you have a lapse in coverage, say, for example, related to job loss or being removed from your parents' insurance, you may well have a problem.

[mikenold]

The part about kids staying on their parents' insurance until they reach 26? Love it. Wish I had had that opportunity when my kids were going to college and I had to COBRA them which was hideously expensive. The part about not paying for people with pre-existing conditions? I have a 4-year old grandson with type 1 diabetes who would struggle to obtain insurance with that back ground and today's job situation.
The part about no ceiling? My niece came close to death last year from swine flu and was flown to Cleveland Clinic. Fortunately, her husband works for the state and has great insurance which covered everything. What about the people who don't? They just die? Go into debt?
Don't love all of it, but to just blunder in and say you're going to get rid of it? Show me a better plan before you do that.

Nobody in NYS is denied health care especially if they have no insurance. They just show up at the emergency room and get help! Some go just because they have a cold or monthly cramping! ;)

[Mindcrime]

Nobody in NYS is denied health care especially if they have no insurance. They just show up at the emergency room and get help! Some go just because they have a cold or monthly cramping! ;)

The forces against the public option claimed that it was some kind of Bolshevik, "government take-over" of health care. But in reality, they're defending a system that throws thousands of people off their insurance every day. If those people are poor enough, they end up on Medicaid, which we pay for. Or, they end up in emergency rooms, which we pay for. That's not just socialized health care, it's the most expensive, least effective, unintentional version imaginable.

[mikenold]

The forces against the public option claimed that it was some kind of Bolshevik, "government take-over" of health care. But in reality, they're defending a system that throws thousands of people off their insurance every day. If those people are poor enough, they end up on Medicaid, which we pay for. Or, they end up in emergency rooms, which we pay for. That's not just socialized health care, it's the most expensive, least effective, unintentional version imaginable.

The assertion was made: "What about the people who don't? They just die? Go into debt?"

I just simply proved the assertion wrong by saying that nobody in NYS is denied health care especially if they have no insurance. They just show up at the emergency room and get help! Some go just because they have a cold or monthly cramping!

I never claimed any sort of monetary savings! So why do you try to counter my claim with monetary issues?

Although now that you bring it up I will also claim that NYS must cut non-mandated insurance coverage. I will also assert that Obama care will not save money and, in fact, will cost all of us a boatload! As you can see, I am well aware of how to cut costs and realize savings which is more than many of our representatives in the state and federal government seem to be able to comprehend!

[Mindcrime]

The assertion was made: "What about the people who don't? They just die? Go into debt?"

I just simply proved the assertion wrong by saying that nobody in NYS is denied health care especially if they have no insurance. They just show up at the emergency room and get help! Some go just because they have a cold or monthly cramping!

I never claimed any sort of monetary savings! So why do you try to counter my claim with monetary issues?

Although now that you bring it up I will also claim that NYS must cut non-mandated insurance coverage. I will also assert that Obama care will not save money and, in fact, will cost all of us a boatload! As you can see, I am well aware of how to cut costs and realize savings which is more than many of our representatives in the state and federal government seem to be able to comprehend!Can you go to an emergency room and get chemotherapy? How about a kidney transplant? Prostate biopsy? No. So you can't "just show up at the emergency room and get help." How idiotic.

Yes, you can save all kinds of money by denying people the means to survive easily treatable conditions. Jan Brewer is slaying hundreds of her constituents in Arizona, all to save a whopping $1.4 Million from a state with a $1.4 Billion deficit. There's the real 'death panel.'

[mesue]

Can you go to an emergency room and get chemotherapy? How about a kidney transplant? Prostate biopsy? No. So you can't "just show up at the emergency room and get help." ...
Actually, you can. It starts in the ER. You go there because you are sick.
There is money out there for medical treatment, it just isn't advertised. Any hospital that takes federal funding can, and usually does, opt to give out medical care instead of repayment. It's a well kept secret, but it is available. You have to ask for it, it is rarely offered. I don't know why it isn't offered. Maybe because they get to keep the money that wasn't utilized. Like when you don't use the money in the medical flex account, they get to keep what is left over after a year is out.

[mnb811]

Can you go to an emergency room and get chemotherapy? How about a kidney transplant? Prostate biopsy? No. So you can't "just show up at the emergency room and get help." How idiotic.

Yes, you can save all kinds of money by denying people the means to survive easily treatable conditions. Jan Brewer is slaying hundreds of her constituents in Arizona, all to save a whopping $1.4 Million from a state with a $1.4 Billion deficit. There's the real 'death panel.'

Hey libtard stop with the death references and rhetoric. "Slaying" is worse than a couple of scope images you people blame Palin for.

[Mindcrime]

Hey libtard stop with the death references and rhetoric...

She's not threatening anyone. She's actually telling sick people "You can't have the funding that will save your life."


..."Slaying" is worse than a couple of scope images you people blame Palin for.

Yeah, 'cause right wingers know all about imagery... :p

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f129/MindcrimeX/PoliticalImagery.jpg

[mikenold]

Can you go to an emergency room and get chemotherapy? How about a kidney transplant? Prostate biopsy? No. So you can't "just show up at the emergency room and get help." How idiotic.

Yes, you can save all kinds of money by denying people the means to survive easily treatable conditions. Jan Brewer is slaying hundreds of her constituents in Arizona, all to save a whopping $1.4 Million from a state with a $1.4 Billion deficit. There's the real 'death panel.'

Nobody goes to the emergency room for chemotherapy, prostrate biopsy or a transplant. However they may go there for the symptoms of these things and would be treated for the symptoms.

The idiotic part is suggesting that someone that needs these treatment would ever be going to an emergency room for the treatments.

BTW, knowing that they have these conditions would come from being treated for some symptoms of these conditions which implies that they have already received health care for the diagnosis! :rolleyes:

[mikenold]

Yeah, 'cause right wingers know all about imagery... :p

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f129/MindcrimeX/PoliticalImagery.jpg

WARNING: Do NOT stare directly at the Obama. You may experience left wing, liberal, progressive bias!!! :D

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3610/3429232880_1c0b489c60_m.jpg

[Mindcrime]

Nobody goes to the emergency room for chemotherapy, prostrate biopsy or a transplant. However they may go there for the symptoms of these things and would be treated for the symptoms.

The idiotic part is suggesting that someone that needs these treatment would ever be going to an emergency room for the treatments...
No, the idiotic part is where you said that's precisely what sick people without HI can do. Free health care is available at every local ER, right? :rolleyes:

[Dougles]

Free health care is available at every local ER, right? :rolleyes:

By law.. YES!