Iranian forces crossed Iraqi border

[LHardy]

Iranian forces crossed Iraqi border: report

http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/administration/afp-news.html?id=070625232254.etwt6z5u&cat=null

France24, France - 2 hours ago

Iranian Revolutionary Guard forces have been spotted by British troops crossing the border into southern Iraq, The Sun tabloid reported on Tuesday.

Britain's defence ministry would not confirm or deny the report, with a spokesman declining to comment on "intelligence matters".

An unidentified intelligence source told the tabloid: "It is an extremely alarming development and raises the stakes considerably. In effect, it means we are in a full on war with Iran -- but nobody has officially declared it."

"We have hard proof that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps have crossed the border to attack us. It is very hard for us to strike back. All we can do is try to defend ourselves. We are badly on the back foot."

The Sun said that radar sightings of Iranian helicopters crossing into the Iraqi desert were confirmed to it by very senior military sources.

In response to the report, a British defence ministry spokesman said: "There is evidence that explosive devices used against our troops in southern Iraq originated in Iran."

"Any Iranian link to armed militias in Iraq either through weapons supply, training or funding are unacceptable."

Britain has about 7,100 soldiers in Iraq, most of whom are based in the southern city of Basra and surrounding areas, though the government has pledged to reduce that to between 5,000 and 5,500 this year.

[Timmy]

I wonder how long it will take before this translates into a War?

[LHardy]

Iran bombers attack Our Boys
By TOM NEWTON DUNN
Defence Editor

June 26, 2007
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007290279,00.html

IRANIAN forces are being choppered over the Iraqi border to bomb Our Boys, intelligence chiefs say.

Military experts claim this worrying move means we are at WAR with Iran in all but name.

Last night an intelligence source told The Sun: “It is an extremely alarming development and raises the stakes considerably. In effect, it means we are in a full on war with Iran — but nobody has officially declared it.

“We have hard proof that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps have crossed the border to attack us.

“It is very hard for us to strike back. All we can do is try to defend ourselves. We are badly on the back foot.”

Our Boys picked up the Iranian helicopters on radar crossing into empty desert.

The sightings have been confirmed to The Sun by very senior military sources.
At least two Brit squaddies are thought to have been killed by bombs planted during these incursions into Maysan province — Corporal Ben Leaning, 24, and Trooper Kristen Turton, 27.

A further 44 British deaths have also been linked to the highly advanced bombs, rockets and mortars which originated in Iran.

Coming so swiftly after the kidnap of 15 Royal Navy sailors in the Gulf, our revelation will send strained relations between London and Tehran plummeting further.

Until now, secret units from Iran’s fanatical RGC have restricted themselves to just training and arming Shia rebels in Iraq.

They include the al Quds Brigade — a secretive force tasked to spread Islamic revolution abroad who are the main backers for Hezbollah terrorists in Lebanon and are also active in Palestine and northern Iraq.

An MoD spokeswoman said: “There is evidence that explosive devices used against our troops in southern Iraq originated in Iran.

“Any Iranian link to armed militias in Iraq either through weapons supply, training or funding are unacceptable.

t.newtondunn@the-sun.co.uk

[run4it]

Can we got someone to actually put NAMES to these 'sources'? The number of distortions and straight lies told to justify the Iraq war suggest that we should be looking for unnamed people being reported in biased press.

[nickelcityhomes]

9:51 AM and the market isn't reflecting any of this, nor is it being reported on any major news outlets.

Strange.

[run4it]

Oh God, I didn't notice that this came from The Sun. It's a Brit tabloid rag, run by Murdoch. Assuming that this Iran story was on Page 1, two pages later you'll find the weekly Page 3 Girl! This rag isn't worth the paper it's written on.
Among other front page headlines the paper has published are: "FREDDIE STARR ATE MY HAMSTER", 'BONKERS BRUNO LOCKED UP (about a mentally ill boxer), PULPIT POOFS (with the subsequent retraction, titled SORRY ELTON), I'M BIG IN THE BUMBDESTAG (about a picture one of their photogs got of a german diplomat).

Plainly, Wikipedia says "More generally, the Murdoch Sun has been criticised since its launch for its sensationalism, which on occasion has led it to publish stories on the most spurious evidence, and for its focus on celebrities for its news and feature coverage. It has regularly been accused of appealing to the lowest common denominator and dumbing down public discourse."

LHardy, I know you want SO bad to believe this, but you might want to find a little more reputable source to puppy-dog.

[Cgoodsp466]

I wonder how long it will take before this translates into a War?


We need a Leader with Guts .Harry Truman had the right Idea.

[LHardy]

LHardy, I know you want SO bad to believe this, but you might want to find a little more reputable source to puppy-dog.

Where did I say I believe it is true?
I simply posted the story.

In fact I said nothing at all.
Nor do I want "SO bad", for the story to be true.
Actually I hope that Iran did not cross the boarder with soldiers. It is bad enough that they are supply the enemy with weapons.

We will know more in a couple of days as more information is released.

[raoul duke]

just a question... if, in some parallel universe, canada and mexico were under seige and/or occupied by foreign army, would america be active in supporting our continental neighbors?

[LHardy]

The Sun was not the original source for the story.
Please if you wish to criticize my sources, dig a little deeper into the details before launching a tift against my posting.

AFP is the world's oldest established news agency, founded in 1835 by Charles-Louis Havas, the father of global journalism.

Today, the agency continues to expand its operations worldwide, reaching thousands of subscribers via radio, television, newspapers and companies from its main headquarters in Paris and regional centers in Washington, Hong Kong, Nicosia and Montevideo. All share the same goal: to guarantee top quality international service tailored to the specific needs of clients in each region.

[raoul duke]

The Sun was not the original source for the story.
Please if you wish to criticize my sources, dig a little deeper into the details before launching a tift against my posting.

AFP is the world's oldest established news agency, founded in 1835 by Charles-Louis Havas, the father of global journalism.

Today, the agency continues to expand its operations worldwide, reaching thousands of subscribers via radio, television, newspapers and companies from its main headquarters in Paris and regional centers in Washington, Hong Kong, Nicosia and Montevideo. All share the same goal: to guarantee top quality international service tailored to the specific needs of clients in each region.

then why does the author have a sun email address? and why does he keep saying "our boys"? hardly an objective POV, eh?

also... "Last night an intelligence source told The Sun..." not the AFP.

[run4it]

Where did I say I believe it is true?
I simply posted the story.

In fact I said nothing at all.
Nor do I want "SO bad", for the story to be true.
Actually I hope that Iran did not cross the boarder with soldiers. It is bad enough that they are supply the enemy with weapons.

We will know more in a couple of days as more information is released.
Apologies...you didn't say the story was true or believable.

But can you honestly say you're not all for bombing Iran, you know, as long as we're next door anyway? I think your sentiments in the past seem to indicate so.

By the way, I'm not saying that it is or isn't true either. I'm pointing out that your source has the credibility of oh, say...our President.

[Dumbfounded]

Apologies...you didn't say the story was true or believable.

But can you honestly say you're not all for bombing Iran, you know, as long as we're next door anyway? I think your sentiments in the past seem to indicate so.

By the way, I'm not saying that it is or isn't true either. I'm pointing out that your source has the credibility of oh, say...our President.



Our armed forces are supposedly tired, exausted, demoralized (many) and depleted.

IF we had to bomb Iran (for whatever reason G.W.B. declares) could the United States sustain another prolonged military campaign in the middle east?

What about the repercussions with other nations (war with Iran)?

What about terrorist "reprisals" (for bombing and invading Iran)?

Will the draft replace the all time-low volunteer system and MORE young people will be sent to their deaths, while greeeeeedy military contractors make even MORE money if we invade Iraq?

See, the Bush Administration is far from stupid.
If necessary, they WILL have PROOF that Iran is a threat to the United States' "mission" in Iraq
and/or
Iran wants to go to war with the United States.

Hell, Bush just might tell the world that the Iranians are hiding UFOs that crashed into Terhran and are going to use the alien weapons technology from the UFOs to declare a jihad on the United States and we'll have no choice but to declare war on Iran!

Just look at how much the newly-elected Dem majority has accomplished and how "they put Bush in his place!!"

[atotaltotalfan2001]

then why does the author have a sun email address? and why does he keep saying "our boys"? hardly an objective POV, eh?

also... "Last night an intelligence source told The Sun..." not the AFP.

I predict LHardy will now pull a disappearing act.:rolleyes:

[atotaltotalfan2001]

The Sun was not the original source for the story.
Please if you wish to criticize my sources, dig a little deeper into the details before launching a tift against my posting.

AFP is the world's oldest established news agency, founded in 1835 by Charles-Louis Havas, the father of global journalism.

Today, the agency continues to expand its operations worldwide, reaching thousands of subscribers via radio, television, newspapers and companies from its main headquarters in Paris and regional centers in Washington, Hong Kong, Nicosia and Montevideo. All share the same goal: to guarantee top quality international service tailored to the specific needs of clients in each region.

How about you provide us with a working link to your alleged source, so we can all have an intelligent discuss about what it supposedly has to tell us? No point is berating us for questioning your source when you don't bother to post a link we can use.:rolleyes:

[therising]

LH It's your civic duty to now fill Biker's shoes.

Since he's moved on to a better place, the only right-wing folks on this board are all idiots. It's not even a challenge. :)

[LHardy]

Will this story grow legs?

Times Of India
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Europe/Iranian_forces_crossed_Iraqi_border_says_report/articleshow/2149095.cms

National Council of Resistance of Iran
http://www.ncr-iran.org/content/view/3745/152/

The Peninsula Qatar
http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news.asp?section=World_News&subsection=Gulf%2C+Middle+East+%26+Africa&month=June2007&file=World_News2007062713451.xml

Khaleej Times Online
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/focusoniraq/2007/June/focusoniraq_June125.xml&section=focusoniraq

Please help yourself to your favorite search engines.

[Timmy]

LH It's your civic duty to now fill Biker's shoes.

Since he's moved on to a better place, the only right-wing folks on this board are all idiots. It's not even a challenge. :)

wouldnt say the lefty, liberal commies are that bright either

[Ragin]

LH It's your civic duty to now fill Biker's shoes.

Since he's moved on to a better place, the only right-wing folks on this board are all idiots. It's not even a challenge. :)

I agree.

Welcome back LH! :)

[Dumbfounded]

If the Bush Administration wants to go to war with Iran it will go to war. Period.

The agenda to invade Iran may have been in the planning stages for a few years now;But its been "top secret"

If the conglomeration of industry leaders want to make more blood money from another war, they WILL ensure that the United States goes to war with Iran.

War = money (duh!). Corporate/politicians greed has no limit.

Even after being lied then led into Iraq, most of the public will support a war with Iran IF there's a "9/11" or "Pearl Harbor" type incident in which Iranians are directly responsible for U.S. casualities and "pose a direct terrorist threat to the United States and its allies."

Despite President Bush's term coming to a close, there's more than enough time to wage war on Iran and make a few hundred billion for the military-industrial-political complex.

I write of nothing "secret" here. This is the way business is done in the world these days and "we, the people have no say." The "Democratic" majortiy are impotent.

This is an Oligarchic-Fascist state under the guise of a Democratic Republic.

I hope to God that there IS no war with Iran. That would almost necessitate a draft, which would drive the American public out of its collective mind, as even the most complacent, lazy Sheep "awaken" if they receive a good hard kick in the ass.

The Capitalist side of me (a Liberal commie!!!) understands the GREED, the state-of-mind that wants to make lots of money-Obscene amounts of money-Bribes-The whole enchilada.

The "Human" side of me over-rules the Capitalist side of me WHEN lots of money is made at the expense of people's health and lives.

There IS NO DEBATE because in this day and age in the United States
ALL DEBATES ARE ONE-SIDED

If Honest George, Lon Chaney and the rest of the endless chasms of living greed want to wage war on Iran, they'll find plenty of "proof."

[Dumbfounded]

Got to apologize to the guys in the vans across the street for expressing my PRIVATE opinion of my government on my PRIVATE computer cause' all Liberals like myself are evil communist seditious, unpatriotic demons that just want America to fail.

I know!

I'll believe every word, every syllable that our
Federal government tells me

I'll listen to Rush & Dr. Laura,

I'll watch Bill O' Reilly + Hannity & Colmes

I'll read all of Ann Coulter's books

I'll have a lobotomy done by a neurosurgeon so that
I can never think independently again

I'll register with the Republican party

I'll march in protest in front of abortion clinics

I'll READ "The Washington Post"

I'll have a photos of George Bush, Dick
Cheney and Karl Rove all over the
house

I'll support Independent Design and Creationism

I'll HAVE to CONVERT from Judiasm to
Christianity because all Jews are Liberal
commies!

Then and ONLY then I'll have atoned for decades of decadent, evil misguided Liberalism during which I've betrayed the ideals upon which my Country stands, including that ludicrous"free speech" garbage
And as a Republican and an ETHICAL PERSON I'll be able to make a DIFFERENCE and TRY to make this world a better place because
GAWD know that the Liberals run EVERYTHING in this world!!!

[a-new-voice]

The Iranians train and fund many of the insurgents (Terrorists), and they have been crossing into Iraq for ever.... no big deal. Hear this: Iran has ONE refinery, so if they start something, the refinery gets whacked and within a few days the country (Iran) would shut down.....

[a-new-voice]

Got to apologize to the guys in the vans across the street for expressing my PRIVATE opinion of my government on my PRIVATE computer cause' all Liberals like myself are evil communist seditious, unpatriotic demons that just want America to fail.

I know!

I'll believe every word, every syllable that our
Federal government tells me

I'll listen to Rush & Dr. Laura,

I'll watch Bill O' Reilly + Hannity & Colmes

I'll read all of Ann Coulter's books

I'll have a lobotomy done by a neurosurgeon so that
I can never think independently again

I'll register with the Republican party

I'll march in protest in front of abortion clinics

I'll READ "The Washington Post"

I'll have a photos of George Bush, Dick
Cheney and Karl Rove all over the
house

I'll support Independent Design and Creationism

I'll HAVE to CONVERT from Judiasm to
Christianity because all Jews are Liberal
commies!

Then and ONLY then I'll have atoned for decades of decadent, evil misguided Liberalism during which I've betrayed the ideals upon which my Country stands, including that ludicrous"free speech" garbage
And as a Republican and an ETHICAL PERSON I'll be able to make a DIFFERENCE and TRY to make this world a better place because
GAWD know that the Liberals run EVERYTHING in this world!!!

sounds like an extremist wacko to me.