Privilege Of The Floor Suspended

[egsiii]

Supervisor announces he alone will determine which residents are allowed to speak for remaining 2007 Town Board Meetings.

Why didn’t DNT object and stand up to defend residents First Amendment Rights?

Or does DNT support the supervisor’s trashing of the Constitution?

If the supervisor is afraid of what someone might say, will he tell them to sit down? Would he have them arrested if they try to speak?

Are we officially the Peoples Republic of Evans?

[DNT]

more like the peoples republic of schneiderIII

[Allgirl4BD]

Why am I not surprised at this?

[DNT]

Is because I will be able to get privilege of the floor anytime I want privilege of the floor

I guess that could be considered a perk, or a friends and family deal! Or maybe I just know how to ask nicely. It might also have something to do with the fact that I know how to string together coherent sentences and more importantly, I know how to put forth an articulate argument.

...not just a bunch of half truths and general jibber jabber.

Sorry baby huey, looks like you have been silenced!

go cry to your daddy

now about the $500,000 gleason payout, who paid the money? was it the town? Me thinks you made it up, arrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhh

[DNT]

Will the supervisor have the speaker poisoned with tea, or sprits them with radioactive isotopes? "I must not let the argument over the drive-in theater see the light of day....I must silence the speaker"

Buddy, you are slipping into the delusional ...I think you might need some "rest"

who loves ya' baby

[Allgirl4BD]

I thought, excuse me for my naivety, that as citizens of this country that there is still freedom of speech....which I construe to mean that, although, we may disagree, we all have the freedom ( isn't it in the U.S. constitution?) to express our thoughts and opinions. Should we tolerate censorship anywhere?

Maybe we should discuss censorship? Should we only allow a select few to speak at meetings? Where does it end?

[WNYresident]

I thought, excuse me for my naivety, that as citizens of this country that there is still freedom of speech....which I construe to mean that, although, we may disagree, we all have the freedom ( isn't it in the U.S. constitution?) to express our thoughts and opinions. Should we tolerate censorship anywhere?

Maybe we should discuss censorship? Should we only allow a select few to speak at meetings? Where does it end?

Here's an issue though...

In every community there are screwballs and crackpots. I have acutally met some of these people. I could see where you'd have to draw the line somewhere. It's not about censorship, it's about just wasting time. Who decids what is wasting time versus a real town issue?

When is a town complaint a "complaint" versus someone who is a busy body. I could see the point of never being able to get anything done.

[Allgirl4BD]

Here's an issue though...

In every community there are screwballs and crackpots. I have acutally met some of these people. I could see where you'd have to draw the line somewhere. It's not about censorship, it's about just wasting time. Who decids what is wasting time versus a real town issue?

When is a town complaint a "complaint" versus someone who is a busy body. I could see the point of never being able to get anything done.
Ok, so there are those valid points.

[Allgirl4BD]

so the way I understand this....he can pick and choose who he will allow to speak at a meeting?

[DNT]

Here's an issue though...

In every community there are screwballs and crackpots. I have acutally met some of these people. I could see where you'd have to draw the line somewhere. It's not about censorship, it's about just wasting time. Who decids what is wasting time versus a real town issue?

When is a town complaint a "complaint" versus someone who is a busy body. I could see the point of never being able to get anything done.

THANK EFFFING GOD...I thought I was alone here. This town is full of crackpots who have nothing better to do then waste time and battle over nothing. I would be referring to the cheese cake issue and the Gleason issue and just about every issue.

These people think it's about the have's and the have not's, but it's about none of that. These are all non issues. Bravo to the board for putting and end to the BS chatter that comes from FOEs. This town has catered to these few for too long and NOTHING has gotten done. The town is so bogged down on fulfilling 5 different FOIL requests for every move they make! They all complain about how nothing changes in WNY politics, but they are key ingredient of nothing getting done. What do they care, what does it matter if they tie up the process, they don't have to fix the mess they make. They don't pay for this stuff out of pocket, and they are too stupid to realize that they are paying for this inaction through their meddling. Not only that, BUT they make all of you pay extra for their crap and for all that extra spending the board has to waste fighting these knuckleheads, the less the taxpayers get for the more money they are spending!

Like me or hate me, I still speak the truth!

There seems to be a glimmer of light at the end of the long dark tunnel.

[DNT]

so the way I understand this....he can pick and choose who he will allow to speak at a meeting?


Seriously, are you really this dumb?

He is going to only allow valid business to be brought before the board. He is going to limit the public bitching from wasting time and money. He is going to remove the crackpot crap from these meeting.

Ex:

When palmer gets up and talks about how everyone is going to jail because they hire a town assessor - this will be no more.

When baby huey is whining about the muffler shop - no more

when militello cries about the sky bridge...no more

When the treasurer blathers on about the “Cheesecake” – Jesus Christ – no more!

These are non town issues that won't stop corruption - because there is none and it will not promote tourism.

He is not going to entertain crap...only real business

GET IT?

[WNYresident]

THANK EFFFING GOD...I thought I was alone here. This town is full of crackpots who have nothing better to do then waste time and battle over nothing. I would be referring to the cheese cake issue and the Gleason issue and just about every issue.

These people think it's about the have's and the have not's, but it's about none of that. These are all non issues. Bravo to the board for putting and end to the BS chatter that comes from FOEs. This town has catered to these few for too long and NOTHING has gotten done. The town is so bogged down on fulfilling 5 different FOIL requests for every move they make! They all complain about how nothing changes in WNY politics, but they are key ingredient of nothing getting done. What do they care, what does it matter if they tie up the process, they don't have to fix the mess they make. They don't pay for this stuff out of pocket, and they are too stupid to realize that they are paying for this inaction through their meddling. Not only that, BUT they make all of you pay extra for their crap and for all that extra spending the board has to waste fighting these knuckleheads, the less the taxpayers get for the more money they are spending!

Like me or hate me, I still speak the truth!

There seems to be a glimmer of light at the end of the long dark tunnel.

Ummm.... I'm not refering to the people your refering to. I see what they are bring up on these threads and I see thier point.

I did a foil once and it was an eye opener.

Can anyone here tell me how many FOILS you guys have filed in the last 6 months?

[WNYresident]

DNT
Seriously, are you really this dumb?

Allgirl4BD ?

Is he always like this?

[SmokeyBurnout]

Howdy All...

I thought I would come out of hiding along with all of the other 'lookie-lous' that are floating in the background of this group when I saw this take by egsiii on the supervisors announcement re: speaking at the meetings. egsiii, I'm afraid I have to quibble abit with your interpretation ...

I'm pretty sure that your first amendment rights are safe and sound - I don't think anyone is stopping you from expressing yourself - the posts on this news group attest to that. I was always under the impression that 'privilege of the floor' means you, the public, are free to sit in a chair at the board meetings and listen to what goes on. I'm pretty sure that the town board does not have to allow anyone the ability to speak at the meeting. They do so out of the kindness of their heart. I'd say that you and your buddies kind of pushed them to the breaking point though ... so I guess thats they way it goes...thanks alot for ruining a good thing...

SmokeyB

[Allgirl4BD]

Allgirl4BD ?

Is he always like this?
Yes...whoever he is...on here...he's like this...

[Allgirl4BD]

Howdy All...

I thought I would come out of hiding along with all of the other 'lookie-lous' that are floating in the background of this group when I saw this take by egsiii on the supervisors announcement re: speaking at the meetings. egsiii, I'm afraid I have to quibble abit with your interpretation ...

I'm pretty sure that your first amendment rights are safe and sound - I don't think anyone is stopping you from expressing yourself - the posts on this news group attest to that. I was always under the impression that 'privilege of the floor' means you, the public, are free to sit in a chair at the board meetings and listen to what goes on. I'm pretty sure that the town board does not have to allow anyone the ability to speak at the meeting. They do so out of the kindness of their heart. I'd say that you and your buddies kind of pushed them to the breaking point though ... so I guess thats they way it goes...thanks alot for ruining a good thing...

SmokeyB

Don't despair....he can CHOOSE who wants to speak..anytime..it's his meeting

[Allgirl4BD]

I only know of the ones done from this household....others...only heard about them....

[SmokeyBurnout]

Don't despair....he can CHOOSE who wants to speak..anytime..it's his meeting

I don't think there is any law saying the public must be given the right to speak at an open meeting - I think at one point in time the board 'chose' to allow the public to speak. I'd say that the board has now chosen to limit the discussion at the meetings - as has been pointed out, there is a lot of useless chatter that comes from a small minority at these meetings which causes the whole thing to drag on and on.

Bottom line, this situation can't be considered a violation of the First Amendment or an act of censorship...just my $.02

SmokeyB

[Allgirl4BD]

I don't think there is any law saying the public must be given the right to speak at an open meeting - I think at one point in time the board 'chose' to allow the public to speak. I'd say that the board has now chosen to limit the discussion at the meetings - as has been pointed out, there is a lot of useless chatter that comes from a small minority at these meetings which causes the whole thing to drag on and on.

Bottom line, this situation can't be considered a violation of the First Amendment or an act of censorship...just my $.02

SmokeyB
of what you make think of me......I appreciate your .02$ Until about 2 years ago, I had never, ever been to a board meeting of any town I ever lived in....I wanted to learn about how government works.....what happens at meetings....I am learning....

[SmokeyBurnout]

of what you make think of me......I appreciate your .02$ Until about 2 years ago, I had never, ever been to a board meeting of any town I ever lived in....I wanted to learn about how government works.....what happens at meetings....I am learning....

If you are saying that you are someone who raises issues at the meetings, I am sure that if you have a legit complaint and are prepared to present it in an official and thoughtful manner your discussion point will be listened to and taken seriously. If you just want to grind a personal vendetta into everyones face, well, I guess you will be disappointed. That is part of how politics works...eventually people tire of it.

But your right of free speach and the protections under the first amendment are perfectly safe, right? I mean that *was* the start of this entire thread which got my attention ... "the trashing of the constitution" by the supervisor. Sorry, I just don't see how one would arrive at that position.

Calling it like I see it

SmokeyB

[Allgirl4BD]

If you are saying that you are someone who raises issues at the meetings, I am sure that if you have a legit complaint and are prepared to present it in an official and thoughtful manner your discussion point will be listened to and taken seriously. If you just want to grind a personal vendetta into everyones face, well, I guess you will be disappointed. That is part of how politics works...eventually people tire of it.

But your right of free speach and the protections under the first amendment are perfectly safe, right? I mean that *was* the start of this entire thread which got my attention ... "the trashing of the constitution" by the supervisor. Sorry, I just don't see how one would arrive at that position.

Calling it like I see it

SmokeyB
Guess I have much more to learn than I thought. I am not one who gets up to the microphone...at all. I usually sit and listen. Started going to meetings because I thought maybe I was missing something.......neighbors warned me not to bother. I did not believe them then.....maybe they were right...stay home and be apathetic...don't complain...just pay your taxes and don't make waves,right?

[SmokeyBurnout]

AllGirl needlessly jumps to conclusions by saying:
Guess I have much more to learn than I thought. I am not one who gets up to the microphone...at all. I usually sit and listen. Started going to meetings because I thought maybe I was missing something.......neighbors warned me not to bother. I did not believe them then.....maybe they were right...stay home and be apathetic...don't complain...just pay your taxes and don't make waves,right?

AllGirl - I didn't say that you should stay home and not make waves - according to you, your neighbors did ... I simply said that if you were to present your complaint or issue or viewpoint in a thoughtful and well reasoned manner you would be heard. If you don't like the answer you get then take it to the next level. If it has merit, it will find legs. This was proven recently with the cheesecake situation. Only that seems to have been motivated by personal vendetta. So it bombed. Please don't put words in my mouth - I am only trying to discuss issues with you.

Carry on

SmokeyB

[DNT]

Guess I have much more to learn than I thought. I am not one who gets up to the microphone...at all. I usually sit and listen. Started going to meetings because I thought maybe I was missing something.......neighbors warned me not to bother. I did not believe them then.....maybe they were right...stay home and be apathetic...don't complain...just pay your taxes and don't make waves,right?

This is not about sitting back and being apathetic and just paying your taxes...You have a right to challenge, and you should challenge. Honestly, the board should be held to task when mistakes are made.

This board has not made a lot of mistakes. The problem is that Evans can not progress because this town is bogged down in so much red tape that is generated out of the "friends of Evans" group. They move from one baseless issue to the next. They never pan out into anything. Palmer said that he would see them all go to jail for hiring Jeannie Chase. It turns out she was a qualified applicant who got the job. They challenge the fiscal spending of the town and then wonder why they won't build their sky bridge. Wendt beach could have been an amazing revitalized park that WOULD have brought out of town people here to visit... So what if the mansion was turned private and made a bed and Breakfast... the whole surrounding area would have been made accessible and Evans would have benefited. That was killed – so all Evans has is a broken down Mansion with bad bathrooms. So ask yourself, what is it with the FOEs?

Look I'm sure the treasurer meant well with the cheesecake issue - Honestly, I do think that at the beginning it was probably valid - but it did not pan out and I think he is being shoved out in front by the FOE as a pawn. He was able to expose sloppy administrative issues, but he did not find corruption. He just didn't, so why pursue it? To what end? What is going to come out of it in the end? The town has already corrected their errors and it will never happen again. But the fact is, there is no corruption, there is no cover-up...there was some sloppiness, and as a result, there was some waste - $3000.00 worth of waste, but that isn't corruption. Now the Waste is 10x that - $30,000 and the meter is still running – The 10x waste is generated by the treasurer and the FOEs. That includes you allgirl4bd, you signed the petition. When it is dismissed at the next level, how much is the waste going to be then? Will he stop then or is it on to the next court? All of this over $3000.00, that has been corrected.

So if the taxpayers really want change, ask the FOEs to stop the frivolous accusations and threats and red tape. Watch the board, hold them to task, but take the personality out of it. This Chaos is meant to circumvent to ability of the board to govern. It is my opinion that egsiii thinks he can do a better job then the board and is driven by his hatred or certain board members. If that is the case, then why doesn't he run? Why hasn't he ever run? Why, as a town, do we allow him to manipulate and control the chaos?

Look at it as if he is running for public office. What promises has he kept - none. What issues has he failed on - a lot of them. What does he do? He starts rumors and then creates chaos around those rumors until they have a toe hold and then what - the board is forced to address them, and spend time on them, and spend money on them, and then they go away – POOF as if they never were real to begin with. BUT, they can continuously be referenced as they are part of the public record - still doesn't make them real or true...just part of the public record.

Tax payers, wake up. You did not elect egsiii, you elected the board. The board made the right decision to end the privilege of the floor. Now something can get done. Support your board and challenge them when they make mistakes, But this public vigilante group only cost you money! Think about it.

[DNT]

wake up evans

[Allgirl4BD]

AllGirl needlessly jumps to conclusions by saying:


AllGirl - I didn't say that you should stay home and not make waves - according to you, your neighbors did ... I simply said that if you were to present your complaint or issue or viewpoint in a thoughtful and well reasoned manner you would be heard. If you don't like the answer you get then take it to the next level. If it has merit, it will find legs. This was proven recently with the cheesecake situation. Only that seems to have been motivated by personal vendetta. So it bombed. Please don't put words in my mouth - I am only trying to discuss issues with you.

Carry on

SmokeyB
After I re-read my interaction with you...I realize you are right and I am quite sure my constitutional rights are safe......but I disagree with your assumption of personal vendetta. There is none. That is what you are supposed to think according to certain "poster's" here.

The media played it's part and here, a certain individual with a comic avatar is playing it up big time. You are being fair to both sides of the discussion...and I apologize if you thought I was trying to put words in your mouth. Sorry.

[Milret]

I can say that I personally have made just one FOIL in 4 years for a 2 or 3 page document regarding the Towns response to the States request that they investigate themselves. I have looked at other information requested by someone else and noticed that the Town did not release everything requested nor tell the requester they were witholding anything.

There were 3 documents missing and these just happened to be the three travel vouchers for travelers attending the NYC conference(2004) who were not accompanied by a guest or spouse. Once notified of this and after much contention they were finally released (about 2 months later). Was this just an error on the part of the Town? It just so happens that these 3 vouchers showed that the rate for a single that was reimbursed was less than the amount reimbursed to the rest of the travelers who were accompanied by a friend or spouse and reimbursed for doubles. Town reimbursed those travelers the extra cost of having a guest in their rooms.

Not a lot of money for 6 extra people for 4 or 5 days hotel cost, but not right and should not be paid by the taxpayer. Was it mere coincidence that these 3 vouchers were missing from the original release? What are the odds of that happening?

As far as sloppiness goes, very few people have seen the documents for the 2004 travel. I have and it is clearly not sloppiness. When only 2 people are left in NYC to travel back (documented by copies of flight receipts), they catch an airport shuttle from downtown to JFK and one submits a receipt for the shuttle at $125.00 one way, it is paid in full without question, something is seriously wrong. Anyone ever traveling to NYC knows that a shuttle per person is about $17.00 one way and this is verifiable by going on the internet looking up the rates. A cab is $40.00-$45.00 no matter how many people are in it(see internet again). Whats' wrong with that picture????? How could that cost $125.00. There is another for these 2 same travelers arrivals at another $125.00 one way. No, there were no other Town travelers with these two, others have their own receipts at other times for taxis, etc. Like $80 for a taxi, another shuttle at different time for $105.00, or a shuttle going approximately 1/3 of a mile from I think it was 53rd to 42nd street. Etc. Etc. Etc.
If you did not see them you can call it sloppiness all you want. This is not about a cheesecake.

[Micheal Joseph]

Guess I have much more to learn than I thought. I am not one who gets up to the microphone...at all. I usually sit and listen. Started going to meetings because I thought maybe I was missing something.......neighbors warned me not to bother. I did not believe them then.....maybe they were right...stay home and be apathetic...don't complain...just pay your taxes and don't make waves,right?

Do not become apathetic. Get involved. There is more than one way to make sure that your point is heard. Call, write, meet with the supervisor, board members. Get a petition going.

But what ever you do, do not give up. I see a lot of people who do not get involved, but they will complain. Do not be one of those people.

When you want to get your point accross to the politicians, you need to be: Clear, precise, to the point. Do not ramble, get upset etc. Be polite. They will listen to you much better if you are prepared. Also if you have a solution to the problem, or a group of solutions to present. Make sure you have everything well thought out.

Good luck, and be active in your town gov't.

Micheal

[DNT]

Having been to NYC many, many times, I will tell you that there are many ways to move around the city and to and from airports. You can take the E line out to Jamaica Queens for what ever a subway costs - $2.00 or $2.50 (I haven't been there in a while, so I don't know the fares) and then hop on a jet blue shuttle for $5 - It takes you to the gate. You can take a town car from Midtown and negotiate a rate - which is always higher then a cab. You can take a cab from the city to JFK at the meter rate - Depending on the time of day, that could be $60.00 or way higher depending on traffic. If the cabbie thinks you're an out of towner, he may take you for a ride.

From the air port, it is always $45 to Manhattan. If you go to anywhere else outside of Manhattan, it is at the meter rate. You can take a bus or a limo.

So whatever the $125 is for, It is possible that it is that high. Personally, I think it is stupid. But hey, if you're on the company dime or on a work related trip, people tend to make different choices because it's not their money.

I would agree that it is wrong or piggish, but it isn't illegal.

Now, allgirl, I don't like the FOEs....I've made that very clear. I am not challenging the town, but I am challenging the method the FOEs use to disrupt the governing of Evans. I am not challenging the town because at this point, the board is the lesser of two evils. It is all my opinion, and I am voicing my opinion on an open forum that at most 20 people read. So take it with a grain of salt. I hold no sway over the board or any of the supervisors. I am simply pointing out to anyone who reads this forum, that an unelected group is actually causing more damage to the forward progress of this town then the town board. Nobody wants to make a move because the FOE's few members will show up like a lynch mob to disrupt any action. Start something and then stop it because egsiii and his band of heros shows up with a trump charge or threat or FOIL letter and the whole process shuts down. The board then needs to reevaluate and try something else and then the FOEs show up again. It's chaos. The FOEs have effectively performed a hostile take over of this town government. As a taxpayer, do you want a few unelected self-proclaimed "watchdogs" gum up the governing? Well then, elect them and hold them accountable to the same slanted standards you hold the current board. With the exception of Militello, none of them has run for public office - and the voters said no thank you to militello, yet they govern by chaos. They insert themselves in the governing process by preventing that process from happening - What do you have now? You have nothing, nothing getting done. Chaos and name calling and finger pointing and the chasing of phantom issues. If you elect them, expect this town to be government for a few. They already think that they have a birth right to this town and they will govern it that way. I say it here, now, they don't care about the taxpayers, they want this town as thier own fiefdom. This has been and forever will be about them and their bloated egos. They are trying to get what they think they are owed.

It's an observation, but then, it's been this way here for a long time, just like it is this way county wide. Be a part of the solution, or be a part of the problem. The FOEs create the problem and play a big role in keeping solutions from ever happening. C'mon, do you really think that the board so corrupt that they run Evans like the Mob. It's delusional!

[Milret]

Sorry DNT but the receipt is specifically from a airport shuttle service showing from downtown to JFK. Not a taxi, not a limo, not a bus, not horse carriage or anything else. As a frequent traveler I am sure you have been handed blank receipts to fill in, sometimes several blanks. I know I have had these given to me on trips to NYC.
Also, another individual town traveler has 2 receipts from the same shuttle company dated 3 days apart yet only six serial numbers apart. That would also make me wonder wouldn't you???? Pretty slow business for that company I would say. Or is that just a fluke also? Guess I must be a little off to want to question these items. But I guess we are off thread here and should move this issue to the topic it belongs in.

[Stevenco]

"No cheescake is worth eighty five dollars" - Roseanne Barr

[Allgirl4BD]

"No cheescake is worth eighty five dollars" - Roseanne Barr
It was a $41.00 cheesecake by the way.

[Stevenco]

What was?

[Allgirl4BD]

What was?
I was commenting on the certain cake in question that is the object of DNT'S affection.

[DNT]

I got it

[WNYresident]

I got it

Please stop duplicate posing in each thread.

Thank You.

[Cgoodsp466]

of what you make think of me......I appreciate your .02$ Until about 2 years ago, I had never, ever been to a board meeting of any town I ever lived in....I wanted to learn about how government works.....what happens at meetings....I am learning....

Let me give you a quick course in how Government works.

{1} Child Idiot who cant find a real job,Knocks on your door and says Vote for me and I will change your life

{2} You Vote for child idiot and he wins

{3} And to your surprise he does change your life.He raises taxes and screws you every way he can.

Now in a perfect world child idiot could be taken out back and beat with a bat until he learns who he works for. But hey this is NY State.

Have you learned anything yet?:D

[DNT]

Are you allowed to take child idiots out back and beat them with a bat in other states? Does taking people out back constitute a "perfect world"?

If only it was a perfect world, we could take everyone out back and beat them with a bat.

Where exactly is "out back"? Out back of what?

Are we only allowed to beat the child idiot who was voted into office out back in this perfect world you speak of, or can we take the child idiot who levels false charges and accusations against child idiot who was voted in and beat him with a bat out back too?

Sounds nice....this perfect world.

[Cgoodsp466]

Are you allowed to take child idiots out back and beat them with a bat in other states? Does taking people out back constitute a "perfect world"?

If only it was a perfect world, we could take everyone out back and beat them with a bat.

Where exactly is "out back"? Out back of what?

Are we only allowed to beat the child idiot who was voted into office out back in this perfect world you speak of, or can we take the child idiot who levels false charges and accusations against child idiot who was voted in and beat him with a bat out back too?

Sounds nice....this perfect world.

Hello child Idiot:D You have proved my point.

[Stevenco]

You two guys :rolleyes: are both idiots.


466 and DNT : two different types of idiots.

[DNT]

Hello child Idiot:D You have proved my point.
Doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I'm trying to get the ground rules of your "perfect world" of out back beatings down. So it is a perfect world if you can beat everyone with a bat who you don't like or trust.

how is that a perfect world again? Maybe I am a child idiot - 'cus I'm still not quite getting you vision of a perfect world. Your signature quote says:

"A monkey can solve a problem by throwing money at it,It takes real leadership to solve it with the resources at hand."

By resources at hand I guess you mean a bat. How is that leadership? Or do you just lead by brute force? Are you a friend of evans? Is that their vision of town government? It sounds more like a dictatorship, or a tyranny then a perfect world...but what do I know?

[Cgoodsp466]

You two guys :rolleyes: are both idiots.


466 and DNT : two different types of idiots.

Hey Buuddy the what makes me different is I am right. See you at the bar.

[Cgoodsp466]

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I'm trying to get the ground rules of your "perfect world" of out back beatings down. So it is a perfect world if you can beat everyone with a bat who you don't like or trust.

how is that a perfect world again? Maybe I am a child idiot - 'cus I'm still not quite getting you vision of a perfect world. Your signature quote says:

"A monkey can solve a problem by throwing money at it,It takes real leadership to solve it with the resources at hand."

By resources at hand I guess you mean a bat. How is that leadership? Or do you just lead by brute force? Are you a friend of evans? Is that their vision of town government? It sounds more like a dictatorship, or a tyranny then a perfect world...but what do I know?

I am not a friend of any Government who just keeps stealing from the taxpayer. Evans is a classic example of a thiefdom gone wild. Look at your Assessor. A recycled monkey from the County. So zippy have a great day I know I will.

[Stevenco]

See you at the bar.

What bar?

[DNT]

It's so logical.

"Wha? dem guys are stealin' from us taxpayers....I say we get us some bats and take 'em out back and beatem'!"

good luck with that.

[Cgoodsp466]

It's so logical.

"Wha? dem guys are stealin' from us taxpayers....I say we get us some bats and take 'em out back and beatem'!"

good luck with that.

Sounds good to me you quack. Dems or Repubs they are all the same.I love Public sector Wisdom. See you at the Beach club

[DNT]

Keep it simple stupid. At least you are honest with yourself.

[Stevenco]

Shutup you idiot.:rolleyes:

[Cgoodsp466]

The Town of Evans.” The town God forgot" Tell me what your fetish with that two bit hole is. I have lived in 7 Towns in My 57 years on this earth and I have never given a crap on what went on. A town is just a place for your mail to be delivered and to pay taxes to incompetent fools. Right now all I care about is my 200 x 300 foot lot where my house is located. News flash when you die the world just keeps turning. So give it up and say hey to Goober.
I have found that most public sector figures were the ones who rode the short bus and was the equipment manager on the football team. Most of these clowns suffer from a Napoleon complex and the only thing they understand is a good thumping or a great wedgy.

[DNT]

The Town of Evans.” The town God forgot" Tell me what your fetish with that two bit hole is. I have lived in 7 Towns in My 57 years on this earth and I have never given a crap on what went on. A town is just a place for your mail to be delivered and to pay taxes to incompetent fools. Right now all I care about is my 200 x 300 foot lot where my house is located. News flash when you die the world just keeps turning. So give it up and say hey to Goober.
I have found that most public sector figures were the ones who rode the short bus and was the equipment manager on the football team. Most of these clowns suffer from a Napoleon complex and the only thing they understand is a good thumping or a great wedgy.

I am actually not obsessed with the Town of Evans. I think they do a good job. Not a great job, but a good enough job....I mean it is Evans after all. It's not like you are running some vast Metropolis.

The thing I am bothered by is the group of "Friends" who claim to be self appointed "watchdogs" who go after the town for everything. They level charges against the town, based on whiffs of rumors and their own delusional image of Bob Woodwardian investigative ability. They tie this town up in red tape, forces the town into defending itself and throwing money at the created issues and I end up having to pay for it via my taxes.

So this ragtag group of uninformed rabble rousers cost me money and it cost you money. So, while you only care about your 200x300 Lot (what is that a trailer?) You still share with me the obligation and the Burdon of paying for 5, 6, 7 peoples lies, innuendo and rumor mongering....All of which usually turn out to be wrong.

So if you want to hand out beatins', you should include ALL of those who contribute to the red tape and high taxes.

[Logic121]

Just thought I'd enlighten you all on this......

Right or Wrong- EVERY CITIZEN HAS THESE RIGHTS

Evans' political establishment needs a history and business management
lesson- Shutting down or up the tax payers is just plain wrong.

They need to learn to work with ALL of those who pay their saleries.
(If not- get the h*** out of the kitchen)

US Constitution
Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press and Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

redress : v. 1. To set right, remedy or rectify. 2. To make amends for. n. 1. Satisfaction for wrong done; reparation. 2. Correction.

(I sure hope that since this amendment was ratified way back in 1791- that it doesn't have any less standing 216 years later !!!!)

[Logic121]

Sorry, should have included this with the above

A grievance is simply a formal statement of complaint, generally against an authority figure.

Grievances: 1. a. An actual or supposed circumstance regarded as just cause for complaint. b. A complaint or protestation based on such a circumstance. 2. Indignation or resentment stemming from a feeling of having been wronged.

THIS IS BASIC STUFF PEOPLE

[Logic121]

Freeholds should not be punished for exercising the right to petition !!!!

After hearing this audio clip:

Freeholder denied right to speak (http://www.townofevans.com/audio/Pri... the Floor.mp3) I am just appalled...

Apprently, Evans' elected officials missed that history class....

The right to petition is the freedom of individuals (and sometimes groups and corporations) to petition their government for a correction or repair of some form of injustice without fear of punishment for the same. Although often overlooked in favor of other more famous freedoms and sometimes taken for granted, many other civil liberties are enforceable against the government only by exercising this basic right, making it a fundamental right in both representative democracies (to protect public participation) and liberal democracies.

A petition is a request to an authority, most commonly a government official or public entity. In the colloquial sense, a petition is a document addressed to some official & signed by numerous individuals. A petition may be oral rather than written, and in this era may be transmitted via the Internet. The term also has a specific meaning in the legal profession as a request, directed to a court or administrative tribunal, seeking some sort of relief such as a court order.

The Petition Clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right of the people "to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." The right to petition has been held to include the right to file lawsuits against the government.

This has really gotten out of hand. This board is just out of control.

[Stevenco]

Hey Buuddy the what makes me different is I am right. See you at the bar.

Oh, that bar. Nah...I don't get out to Elk St. much.