Lies, and the Depew Politicians who Tell Them

[LewDepew]

Depew trustee Sandra Pieczynski told me that Joe Cipolla was no longer involved in the Action Party.

Visit the Action Party's website. Look right on the front page and read the list of current officers. www.depewactionparty.com

It says, "Campaign Chairman - Joseph Cipolla

Stay tuned for more lies.

Or better yet, go to a Depew Village Board meeting and hear them for yourself.

[WNYresident]

So there's a whole group of people who represent depew other than dems/reps? This is the first I hear of the action party.

[LewDepew]

So there's a whole group of people who represent depew other than dems/reps? This is the first I hear of the action party.

In New York State, in the villages, you cannot legally run as a democrat or republican. People who want to run for office usually get together and form a small party, give it a name, etc. The name can't include names of statewide partys, i.e. Democratic, Republican, Independence, Conservative, etc. Most of the times, the partys are made up of people who belong to different state or national partys.

I think a person who wants to run by himself can form his own party and run. I know people can run by themselfs, but I don't know whether they have to form partys or not.

[LewDepew]

the former village attorney, James Vallone, (A real big Liar), and other village officials claim that Bob Kucewicz is the Village Administrator.

He's not the Village Administrator and never was. There is a line for village administrator in the budget, but it was never funded. Look at the budgets, they say $.00.

In a moment of honesty, Joe McIntosh said that Kucewiczs official title is Village Clerk.


To show how big a liar Vallone is, he once told the board they could have as few as four members, a mayor and three trustees. If there was a tie, the mayor had two votes and he could break the tie.

There's no laws on the books nowhere that gives a mayor that power or that says a board can have as few as four members including the mayor.

[4248]

If Bob Kucewicz is the Village Administrator or Town Clerk - then i think that entitles him to New York State -taxpayer funded retirement credits and tax payer funded health care too ! So that enhances the taxpayer funded retirement credits he got from his last Political - tax payer funded elected position!

So when Peek-A-Boo Maryniewski gets elected - he can add the parole board New York State tax payer funded retirement , with his Lancaster Town Board tax payer funded retirement credits , with his Depew Tax Payer funded New York State pension and health care credits - and end up with one sweet tax payer funded Retirement and life long tax payer funded health care benefits ?

Gee , just think these guys are a part of the:
"New Group of The Lancaster/Depew Political Recycle Party" with no past associations with politics or big developers ! = NOT!;)


God Bless the well connected Democratic - Conservative financed - political patronage - Good old boy network in Lancaster/Depew ! :D

[ReformWNY]

So you have a village (Depew)

Created out of two towns
(Cheektowaga, Lancaster)

That each have their own villiages
(Sloan, Lancaster)

In addition to donating a portion to said village (Depew)

That not only has 2 major political parties represented (Democrats, Republicans)

But 2 offshoot groups of the majority party.

WELCOME TO WESTERN NY!

[pudge]

Hey ReformWNY:

But according to Depew Trustee Terry Mescall, they need all those fiefdoms and politicos to efficiently administer for the best interests of the public and/or J.C.

Mescall voted against reducing the size of the board last night - from 6 trustees to 4. Even though he is not running for re-election, he declared, "I spend a lot of time on a lot of things in the Village. My plates always been full. I don't think wwe do justice to the Viallage of Depew by reducing by two trustees."

Especially if those two trustees are from J.C.'s Action Party and cannot do his bidding anymore. Oh, I forgot, J.C. has nothing to do with the Action Party anymore.

[LewDepew]

Last night, village attorney Jim Vallone (who was supposed to quit being the village attorney when he was elected Cheektowaga Town Judge) was praised by mayor mcintosh for the excellent work he did writing the amendment to reduce the size of the board.

The funny thing is, the amendment is word for word, the same exact amendment that former village attorney Paul Weiss wrote over ten years ago.

can you imagine that. the mayor praised the attorney for his great work in borrowing another attorney's amendment.

Ya know, if they would have passed that amendment when it was first proposed, the taxpayers of depew would have saved over $150,000 by now.

What a joke.

[LewDepew]

When the board hired the new people who don't live in Depew they said they hired them because they needed people who were qualifed and couldn't find qualified people in Depew. Horsehockey!

One of the women used to work at the bowling alley where the Mayor bowls. She doesn't live in the village. And based on how she handled me when I went into village hall to get some information, she isn't qualified and doesn't have any experience because she doesn't know what she's doing. She's so inept, I had to tell her what to do.

Okay, so new people gotta be allowed to learn. I'll give her that. But if that's the case, why didn't they hire someone smarter, from Depew and train them. There's no one in the world that can tell me the those smart people on the village board couldn't find someone from Depew that they could train to do the job.

They didn't try. They didn't even advertise the jobs the right way. They probably didn't even advertise. The outoftowners who got hired probably are all friends of someone on the board or who works for the village.

The village is supposed to advertise available jobs on the board for union jobs and in the paper for non-union jobs. If no one from the union wants the job the job is supposed to be advertised in the paper. None of the jobs that were filled by outoftowners was advertised in the paper and only on of the jobs were posted on the board in village hall. I know. I go to the village hall often and I only saw one job advertised. They weren't advertised in the Bee or the news, or the cheektowaga times because I get all those papers and I didn't see the job advertised.

The town board lied about properly posting the jobs and they lied about hiring experienced people.

And ten two one these liars get reelected. What a joke.

[pudge]

What makes the DAP so successful?

The Depew Action Party (DAP) asserts it has served the Village well for a number of years and has no reason for getting involved in political mud slinging for the upcoming election. They are so good at what they do that even current Trustee Sandy Pieczynski, a former Progressive Party member switched to their way of thinking and joined their Party.

Jeff Davis has also changed his party allegiance and joined the DAP to run for a Trustee position. The same guy that used to refer to the DAP and Joe Cipolla as "scum".

Both Pieczynski and Davis have told individuals who have asked them for reasons for the switch that J.C. is no longer involved with the DAP or has influence with town politics. Well, as others have pointed out on this message board, this is totally false.

The DAP’s plan to use kids for fundraiser and vote getting purposes was revealed. Depew Mayor McIntosh’s counter response was an outright laughable.

It has been said for good reason that the DAP influences the electorate with paid off promises. Yet this Party is successful in winning elections. If it were up to the writers on this message board, it would appear they would go done in flames.

The DAP is successful because the Party is well organized, well funded, serves the public sector and special interests very well, has the ability to spin and influence other voters to their way of thinking by BS or intimidation, and have BS’d their constituency into believing the Village is financially sound and viable.

In her bio, Pieczynski declares: “I am proud to be part of this team and pledge my efforts to the betterment of our Village, not to any personal agendas.” Words to remember for the future.

Depew is in such fine shape that the Towns of Cheektowaga and Lancaster shudder when they hear the word “merger” used.

[LewDepew]

I get a kick out of Mayor Joe and his tax hikes. In the last election, he said the tax hike was only going to be around 2 %. When the budget came out, it was close to 10%. We gotta change the law in Ny so the villages have to put out their budgets before the election. The last election, the progressive party said the tax hike was gonna be about 10%. The Action party went nuts and said these guys were just saying that for political reasons, to make the action party look bad. When the budget came out, the tax increase was almost 10%.

Everytime anyone tells the truth about Mayor Joe he says their saying it for political reasons. Horsehooey. He's saying it now about the parents that are upset about Action party stealing the kids names and inviting them to fund raisers. Like that's not a political move. But no those who are complaining are being political what a pile of you know what.

Ya know, if the Mayor loses, I feel bad for Alberti cause she's gonna be stuck with the budget that mayor joe leaves her with. there will probably be another 10% tax hike cause the last four years all the tax hikes were in the neighborhood of 10% and more. Then the next election, the Action Party is gonna blame Alberti for the 10% tax hike in her first year, a tax hike she inherited from mayor joe.

[pudge]

Color me confused! In a recent Bee newspaper, the Action Party inserted a newsletter that contained Bios of their candidates and their “Action Party Honors Guarantee.”

In Mayor McIntosh’s bio, he claims, “8 consecutive tax cut budgets.” That was the annual mantra of the Action Party for years. What years is he referring to?

In this past week’s Bee Letter to the Editor, Irv Reinig declares he has been a resident of Depew for 30 years, not a member of a village political party and is concerned about the future of Depew.

Reinig says his village taxes have gone up 40 percent in the past four years. He also declares the taxes on the Town of Lancaster side of the village are 40 percent lower than on the Cheektowaga side.

Reinig adds that the village pays Cheektowaga for services that they do not receive, “while they have done little to correct the matter.” (Can you say, “police.”)

Reinig further states that he has spoken at village board meetings on numerous occasions asking for reform. Taxes have increased and little to no reform has been had. “The village’s general fund is down, capitol reserve funds are down, and debt is up considerably in the past four years,” wrote Reinig.

He finishes by asking the village residents to vote for change in the upcoming election.

Is the DAP once again doing what it does best, “spining and painting an unrealistic picture.” Well at least they are not promising any tax cuts this year so you won't feel so boned at budget time.

[atotaltotalfan2001]

So, tell me: Why does there need to be a Depew village government? Sounds like a total waste of tax dollars.....

[hawkeye]

Color me confused! In a recent Bee newspaper, the Action Party inserted a newsletter that contained Bios of their candidates and their “Action Party Honors Guarantee.”

In Mayor McIntosh’s bio, he claims, “8 consecutive tax cut budgets.” That was the annual mantra of the Action Party for years. What years is he referring to?

In this past week’s Bee Letter to the Editor, Irv Reinig declares he has been a resident of Depew for 30 years, not a member of a village political party and is concerned about the future of Depew.

Reinig says his village taxes have gone up 40 percent in the past four years. He also declares the taxes on the Town of Lancaster side of the village are 40 percent lower than on the Cheektowaga side.

Reinig adds that the village pays Cheektowaga for services that they do not receive, “while they have done little to correct the matter.” (Can you say, “police.”)

Reinig further states that he has spoken at village board meetings on numerous occasions asking for reform. Taxes have increased and little to no reform has been had. “The village’s general fund is down, capitol reserve funds are down, and debt is up considerably in the past four years,” wrote Reinig.

He finishes by asking the village residents to vote for change in the upcoming election.

Is the DAP once again doing what it does best, “spining and painting an unrealistic picture.” Well at least they are not promising any tax cuts this year so you won't feel so boned at budget time.
Some points well taken and listenning to Irv Reining at meetings over time, has been inlighting to the fact that the Mayor and the Village Board puppets have screwed this Village up to the point I exspect a tax cut and the bonding will pay for it will be covered up with slick talk and BS buy the Mayor and JC's puppets.

[Sal Mosca]

984

In five year's, depew has had the second highest tax increases of all the village in western new york. 46%. Village of Lancaster, right next door, had only 6% increase. On Mayor Joes page of the Action Party flyer that was in the bee, on his bio page, it says he's had 8 consecutive tax cut budgets. Mayor Joes only been mayor for five or six years. While he's been mayor, taxes increased 46%

Now the truth is, the action party had seven consecutive tax cuts when Kucewicz was mayor. Not eight years. the first year he was mayor he inherited a surplus budget from the progressive party. that budget included a tax decrease. He also inherited a huge surplus, which he used to cut taxes for seven years until depew was broke.

mayor joe says the depew action party has emphasized real fiscal stability and sound cost management. Yeah, even with 46% tax hikes, depew's has really low fund balances.

I want irv renig to run for mayor. He'd have to start his own party because he doesn't belong to one. He's the only one that has stood up to Mayor Joe for years and told the truth about depews financial mess.

[Sal Mosca]

Damn, you can't see my chart. can someone help me or do I have to type in the figures. There from the buffalo news. I copied the chart as a picture and pasted it, but, looking at my last post, you can't read it.

[mesue]

984

In five year's, depew has had the second highest tax increases of all the village in western new york. ...
Go back 12 years for the bigger picture.

[Sal Mosca]

Mayor joe wasn't mayor 12 years ago. and I went back 12 years to when kucewicz was mayor. Mayor joe raised taxes over 46% since he's been mayor and that's a fact that can't be denied.

if you click the image you get a larger picture

[mesue]

Mayor joe wasn't mayor 12 years ago. and I went back 12 years to when kucewicz was mayor. Mayor joe raised taxes over 46% since he's been mayor and that's a fact that can't be denied.

if you click the image you get a larger picture
Your image doesn't reflect the whole picture, over the last 12 years they've been the lowest in all of Erie county.
I open my tax bill, I know what I pay, it's not a whole lot different that the rest of Erie County. I look at real estate sites, I see the tax amounts. We live in New York State, we're very taxed here, not just Depew.

[Sal Mosca]

Your image doesn't reflect the whole picture, over the last 12 years they've been the lowest in all of Erie county.
I open my tax bill, I know what I pay, it's not a whole lot different that the rest of Erie County. I look at real estate sites, I see the tax amounts. We live in New York State, we're very taxed here, not just Depew.

The image reflects the whole picture of how taxes have gone up since McIntosh has been mayor. He hasn't been mayor for 12 years.

In the last six years, taxes have gone up in Depew higher than in any other village in Erie County, with the exception of Sloan.

[LewDepew]

Damn, this is real good. Mayor joes been in office what five or six years and to see what he's done to taxes we're supposed to look back twelve years.

I live in depew, I pay taxes, they're rediculous. they keep going up every year. I'm retired and with taxes going up every year I'm going broke. Social security's gone up maybe 6 or 7 %in the last six years and my depew property tax has gone up over 40% by itself, then ya got increases in the town tax and county tax and sales tax and we retired folk got damn little left to live on. I worked my entire life and now I am paying through the nose in taxes.

And my kids, they're not stupid, they won't live here, they don't want to pay the taxes. My wife's gone and it's just me and i can't afford to keep myself. What do we get for all we pay, zip, nada, nothing. This part of the village is going to hell in a hand basket. Someone told me that this area's now a federaly recognized poverty zone.

even if i wanted to i couldn't sell my house because mayor joe and his buddies passed a law saying i gotta put in a sump pump before i can sell it. Where the hell am I supposed to get the money for that. and why do i need one. my basement ain't got no water in it. sure it's dirty and a little moldy cause I can't get down there to clean it like i used to and my dehumidifier broke and I can't afford another one. but there ain't no water in it so why do i need to put in a sump pump.

ya know what's gonna happen when i'm gone. My homes gonna become another one of these empty houses cause my kids don't want it. they aint gonna come back here and sell it cause they aint gonna want to put the money into a sump pump.

Don't give me this crap about taxes bein low in Depew, I live here, they ain't low.

[Stevenco]

Ever since I was a kid, I always thought that Depew sounded smelly.

[ReformWNY]

Ever since I was a kid, I always thought that Depew sounded smelly.

Same here.

[mesue]

...

Don't give me this crap about taxes bein low in Depew, I live here, they ain't low.
I never said taxes are low in Depew. In fact, if you'll scroll down, you'll se that I said

...
I look at real estate sites, I see the tax amounts. We live in New York State, we're very taxed here, not just Depew.
I'm sorry your wife is gone and your children live out of state. Do they know that you need help? Have you asked them? My mother in law lives in NC. My husband and brothers in law won't think twice about going down there and helping her. They just did her roof. We don't have a lot of money. We don't fly down there because it's still cheaper to drive, but family helps family when in need.

[cobruce]

Yes, we live in NYS where taxes are high. We also live in Erie County, where the taxes are high. Also in Towns of Lancaster/Cheektowaga, more of the same. Village taxes have really gone up. I don't enjoy paying taxes, but I do enjoy the great Police, Public works response, we have.There should be a revolt among taxpayers regarding the taxes that are paid to the towns. We pay a lot, and get little in return. I could never figure out why I pay for all services in Cheektowaga, but get none!
As for family helping family, you're right on. I'd do anything for my family-spread across the country.

[LewDepew]

anybody go to last nights board meeting? if you didn't, you missed a good one. the action party sent everyone who signed the peoples voice petition a letter thanking them for signing the action party petition. a woman stood up to talk about it. she wasn't really complaining, she just thought it was kinda tricky.

anyways, the mayor said he didn't send the letter

so another guy stands up and gives the mayor a copy of the letter and says that's your signature on the letter, isn't it.

imagine that, mayor joe denied he sent out letters to people who signed the other partys petition and yet his john hancock is on the letter. what a liar.

it was great and then terry mescal says the action party couldn't have sent out the letter cause they don't know who signed the other partys petition. and the lady says, yes you do, you guys got a copy of the petition from the village clerk. what a bunch of liars

they got caught with their pants down and they keep lieing.

[mesue]

Lew,
Are you running for something?

[hawkeye]

Ivr Renig at last night's Village Board Meeting 3-12-2007 and asked the Mayor about his 2007-2008 budget and the dancing started. The Mayor shared that he had just completed the budget and wasn't going to tell anyone until today, and we are still waiting is it the red budget or the green budget. Only the mayor knows and maybe the Budget director/ Village Clerk Bobby K. knows and also the Boss of the Village Joey C. o I forgot he does have and say in the Village Ya Ya !!! Ask Mayor Joe is it a 1or 2 or 3% decrease or a increase of 7 or 8% does this sound like Joel G.

[Sal Mosca]

I thought the budget had to be done before the election. lancasters got there budget in and so does Sloan. Wheres Depews budget?

I can't imagine another huge tax increase, everybody else is got a lot of money because of the increase in sales tax from higher gas prices. lancasters increase is just a little over one percent. so how come mayor joe hasn't released depews budget yet? It can't be that bad, can it. Come on he's gotten over a forty percent hike since he's been mayor, it can't be that high this year.

I don't know though, he did the same thing at the last election. He didn't let the budget out but said the increase was going to be three or four percent and then after the election the budget comes out and the increase was almost ten percent.

it cant be that bad this year, so why doesn't he let the budget out?

[LewDepew]

Lew,
Are you running for something?

running? i'm laughing so hard from last nights meeting that i can hardly walk.

seriously, no. i'm not running for anything.

[hawkeye]

The Mayor has played the last minute Budget games in the last Two elections, this years budget has to be in the day before the elections and if there was any chance of the green budget it would have been presented at the Board Meeting to cover up the screwups of the Action Party for the election process of being honest. The fact that they have EST $ 700,000.00 surplus at best and to use any or all of it would keep the taxes lower, or if the mayor is buying the Fire Dept. the TWO new fire trucks the taxes go up 7 to 8% and the bonding goes up buy $500,000 to $ 800,000.00 the my scout master use to say be prepard to pay pay pay and pay.

[atotaltotalfan2001]

I just can't understand that.

And all the complaining about taxes and spending? I hate to say this, but: get over it. Nothing significant will change as long as a government exists there -- not matter which party is in office, IMO, of course.

What I recall about Mayor Joe was that he plowed through a healthy surplus during his time in office, using that so he didn't need to raise taxes. So yes, he had many years without tax increases.

But once the surplus was mostly exhausted, he started raising taxes again -- by a lot. And it came at a particularly bad time because, like all other governments in NY, the bills for soaring health care costs and contributions to employee pensions practically wiped out whatever was left of budget reserves.

The thing is.....there was nothing unusual about Depew's situation at all. What happened to Depew happened to all local governments. Depew got hit harder than some, like Lancaster, because it still has a police department -- and that is probably the single most expensive item in its budget.

And, ironies of all ironies, when Mayor Joe speculated that the village would no longer be able to afford its own police force one day in the future, the very people who moan and groan about taxes practically went into cardiac arrest! This, even though the cost of a police force is draining the life out of the budget.


Nothing will change, even after the election, IMO.

Depew will still lose population -- it has lost 25 percent since 1970. If the tax base grows at all, it would be a shock. Housing will continue to appreciate at a snail's pace -- 20 percent over the last 10 years. You'd be better off putting your money in savings account!

And, yes, your taxes will rise, no matter who is in office. It's inevitable. Almost 70 percent of its budget goes for salaries and benefits. As long as the village exists, taxpayers will foot the continuously growing bill.

Here is where I got all my statistics from, if you are interested:

http://www.osc.state.ny.us/localgov/pubs/finvill.pdf

[Sal Mosca]

I just can't understand that.

And all the complaining about taxes and spending? I hate to say this, but: get over it. Nothing significant will change as long as a government exists there -- not matter which party is in office, IMO, of course.

What I recall about Mayor Joe was that he plowed through a healthy surplus during his time in office, using that so he didn't need to raise taxes. So yes, he had many years without tax increases.

But once the surplus was mostly exhausted, he started raising taxes again -- by a lot. And it came at a particularly bad time because, like all other governments in NY, the bills for soaring health care costs and contributions to employee pensions practically wiped out whatever was left of budget reserves.

The thing is.....there was nothing unusual about Depew's situation at all. What happened to Depew happened to all local governments. Depew got hit harder than some, like Lancaster, because it still has a police department -- and that is probably the single most expensive item in its budget.

And, ironies of all ironies, when Mayor Joe speculated that the village would no longer be able to afford its own police force one day in the future, the very people who moan and groan about taxes practically went into cardiac arrest! This, even though the cost of a police force is draining the life out of the budget.


Nothing will change, even after the election, IMO.

Depew will still lose population -- it has lost 25 percent since 1970. If the tax base grows at all, it would be a shock. Housing will continue to appreciate at a snail's pace -- 20 percent over the last 10 years. You'd be better off putting your money in savings account!

And, yes, your taxes will rise, no matter who is in office. It's inevitable. Almost 70 percent of its budget goes for salaries and benefits. As long as the village exists, taxpayers will foot the continuously growing bill.

Here is where I got all my statistics from, if you are interested:

http://www.osc.state.ny.us/localgov/pubs/finvill.pdf

You make some great points. I'm gonna look at the little pamphlet you got your stats from.

But the question remains, where's depew's new budget. I still don't believe it can be that bad this year. Look in the paper today, Lancasters increase is only 1.9 %. in todays world, who couldn't live with a increase as small as that.

But Lancaster doesn't have a police department anymore, does it? And they make up the difference with high town taxes. although, the town taxes went down a bit this year if i recall correctly.

there's a couple things i honestly have to admit. I'm not voting for mayor joe. he's a bald faced, lieing politician. and, if alberti wins, she's gonna have problems because totalfan is right. I'm not a member of her party, but i know Barb, she's not a liar. She's not gonna lie to people. if there's a problem she's gonna face it and try to fix it. That's the problem with mayor joe, he keeps telling us everything smells like roses after he opened up the septic tank. Depew's got problems and thay can't be fixed till there in the open and people talk about them and try to fix them.

the police issue, what a mess. no matter how you look at it, were gonna have to pay for them. so, can we at least find out if it's gonna be cheaper or more expensive to keep Depew's police or pay taxes for lancasters or Cheektowagas police? I hate to even bring up the subject cause total fan is right. people get way to emotional.

[mesue]

running? i'm laughing so hard from last nights meeting that i can hardly walk.

seriously, no. i'm not running for anything.
Why not? Do you already hold a position in Depew Government?

[Sal Mosca]

Ive been thinking about this some more and i can't help thinking that for now, we gotta live with what we got. Its easy to say we wouldn't have these problems if we abolished the village and maybe thats the solution. I think I said that before. Its something we need to think about.

But the village ain't abolished. Right now, we gotta live with what is and theres an election right now and we the only way to change anything is to put new people in office. the other people have been in there for almost four years and nothing has changed. if we want change we gotta get rid of the current board members and elect new ones.

Ive been thinking about the police. theres something strange going on and i can't put my finger on it. Last night Molinaro said no one on the board supports abolishing the police force. Okay, but wasn't mayor joe having a study done to see if it was possible and what it would cost? I would support a study to look into those things. But why is mayor joe having a study done if he isn't thinking about getting rid of depews police force.

I think I sound like a hipocrite, maybe i do, but do the study. My point is, one member of the action party mayor joe is having a study done to look into getting rid of the police and another member of the action party, gene molinaro is saying no one on the board wants to get rid of the police. it's contradictory.

Thats why we got to change the government because these guys say whatever they think will get them elected when its conveinent for them.

and to go on, I aint against looking into abolishing the village, it may be the only way out. But i doubt your going to get a majority of people to support it. I doubt you'd get a majority to support letting the towns take over policing in depew. Yeah, i'm a hipocrite, I don't even know if I really support it, but i'm willing to look into it. mention it to most people and they get up in arms.

we gotta start looking at alternatives cause Depew's going down the tubes. If things don't change, it ain't gonna be long before we got a control board no matter whos in power.

[atotaltotalfan2001]

You make some great points. I'm gonna look at the little pamphlet you got your stats from.

But the question remains, where's depew's new budget. I still don't believe it can be that bad this year. Look in the paper today, Lancasters increase is only 1.9 %. in todays world, who couldn't live with a increase as small as that.

But Lancaster doesn't have a police department anymore, does it? And they make up the difference with high town taxes. although, the town taxes went down a bit this year if i recall correctly.

there's a couple things i honestly have to admit. I'm not voting for mayor joe. he's a bald faced, lieing politician. and, if alberti wins, she's gonna have problems because totalfan is right. I'm not a member of her party, but i know Barb, she's not a liar. She's not gonna lie to people. if there's a problem she's gonna face it and try to fix it. That's the problem with mayor joe, he keeps telling us everything smells like roses after he opened up the septic tank. Depew's got problems and thay can't be fixed till there in the open and people talk about them and try to fix them.

the police issue, what a mess. no matter how you look at it, were gonna have to pay for them. so, can we at least find out if it's gonna be cheaper or more expensive to keep Depew's police or pay taxes for lancasters or Cheektowagas police? I hate to even bring up the subject cause total fan is right. people get way to emotional.


Boy is that true. I think whoever gets elected will face some very hard truths about Depew.

[LewDepew]

Why not? Do you already hold a position in Depew Government?

no i don't hold nothing in depew government. i aint a part of it and never was. i did belong to the action party, but i quit cause i couldn't deal with the bs. i don't belong to any party anymore.

[mesue]

... i did belong to the action party, but i quit ...
Speaks volumes to me.

[WNYresident]

Speaks volumes to me.

how so?

[Sal Mosca]

the budgets out. the increase is about what i expected but i think the math in the papers a bit off.

the new rates $19.11 the old rate was 18.75 thats a 36 cent increase not 35 like it says in the paper. that means the increse is 1.92 percent and not 1.89 % like it says in the paper. but thats still not to bad

the problem is mayor joe did this in the last election. he realeased a budget saying the increse was 2 or 3 %. when they passed the budget after the election the increse was about 10%

hope that doesn't happen again this year

[mesue]

how so?
I just know that quitters don't put forth much effort, Usually quitters take and take and take. They just quit rather than put out and move about when the honeymoon is over and something is actually asked of them. They take their toys and go home at the first sign of disagreement or something that they don't like. It's all about them.
Usually when people join a small town party, there are certain criteria that must be met, like attending a couple of meetings before you can actually join. This way you would know if you were fairly like minded. He knew what he was getting into when he joined. What was to motivation to join in the first place? He chose to join, then quit, instead of trying to improve what he felt wasn't right. He took his toys and went home when he knew before he joined what he was getting into.
This is just my opinion of quitters. I don't know this member from Adam.

[LewDepew]

I just know that quitters don't put forth much effort, Usually quitters take and take and take. They just quit rather than put out and move about when the honeymoon is over and something is actually asked of them. They take their toys and go home at the first sign of disagreement or something that they don't like. It's all about them.
Usually when people join a small town party, there are certain criteria that must be met, like attending a couple of meetings before you can actually join. This way you would know if you were fairly like minded. He knew what he was getting into when he joined. What was to motivation to join in the first place? He chose to join, then quit, instead of trying to improve what he felt wasn't right. He took his toys and went home when he knew before he joined what he was getting into.
This is just my opinion of quitters. I don't know this member from Adam.

number one i'll tell you why i quit

last election terry mescall came to the senior center and told us that if we voted for the progressive party they would close down the senior center which was a lie. when he was confronted by what he said at a board meeting he denied he said it which was another lie

when i tried to get other seniors to talk bring it up at the meeting they wouldn't do it. why, because most of them were afraid theyd be picked on and denied privileges at the center. when i asked them what made them think that they told me that dick hill threatened them. dick hill is runs the senior center and is the vice chairman at the action party. one senior whos son works for the village told me that dick and terry both warned her that her son would lose his job if she said anything.

i did have one woman who was willing to talk about it but her daughter got sick and she had to go out of town so she wasn't at the board meeting when mescall lied.

after i talked about it, i stopped getting anoucements and people wouldn't sit with me like i had lepersy or something. this isn't right but its how the action party runs depew. i always heard people complaning about how the action party ran the village but i didn't believe it until i actually saw it.

as far as doing things i went to action party meetings fund raisers, handed ou flyers door to door and all kinds of other stuff. i never took a job with the village or any perks,

i joined cause of the marynewskis. i used to go to the bar and i though billy was a good kid. i still think hes a good kid. hes had some problems but he aint a bad guy.

when i quit i didn't join the other party cause i didn't want to. i know barb alberti and shes a good kid. shes alway been good to me and she aint a liar

sometimes people quit things for good reasons. i think quiting a party because they use strong arm tactics like the action party does is a good reason to quit.

you want to call me a quiter, go ahead. i aint ashamed of what i did

[Sal Mosca]

What happened at the senior center was a crying shame. The only person who would back up LewDepew her daughter got sick and she had to go out of town. Now shes sick. I know her. I'd like to talk to her about this and get more information because what happened was disgusting.

[hawkeye]

The Buffalo news and the Bee reported the Budget increases of 1.890%. Looks like the green budget was sent to get the vote " The cost of running a government has increased, and taxes had to be increased. Mayor Joe was asked at the Village Board Meeting what was the course of the Budget and he shared it was done, but he had to dot the eyes and cross the T's. The budget will cost anyone going to Village Hall A quarter a sheet to fine out how the aregetting screw this year. So to solve the taxes increase every taxpayer shoud go, and I ank in a orderly manner and don't forget you quarters and we might balance the budget.

The truth is this 1.890% is smoke job, Money moving around in the budget is like the slot machines in the casino's and Joey and the present Board are gambling with the future of this Village. Many people have looked at abolishing this village and that is not a bad idea but at this time only one more pull of the slots could do that. The last person out of the village please turn off the lights. :(

[4248]

Is this the final draft - has it been adopted and passed by vote of the Depew Village Board ?

Do people understand its just a pre-election gimmick ? If it hasn't been finalized and voted on by the Mayor and his partners - don't voters know it means nothing ?

I can't believe voters are fooled by this tactic.


The truth must be hurting Mayor Joe and buddies - they went so far as to put in the Bee that "People should ignore the last minute flyer's that may come out ." You know they are scared when they tell voters to ignore the tricks they themselves are famous for .

It ranks right up there with Mr.Giza's regular pretense of being angry about campaign signs being torn down . How can he pretend election after election when it's always his opponents signs being removed ?

Well , good luck Depew - Joe's boys have worked hard at hiding the truth and i just hope the voters look at their tax bills for the last three years before they vote!:eek:




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[WNYresident]

The Buffalo news and the Bee reported the Budget increases of 1.890%.

Do you acutally believe them? I dont' mean the news, I mean the people putting the budget togeather?

[4248]

What you have below is a true insight as to the end result of ,

: Patron-ism (people hired for Political pay back= campaign help,contributions,friends of contributors )

: Nepotism (People hired because of political/family ties= my dad-uncle-family members are in office or are wired -).


I don't blame Lew for walking - should he have stayed and supported the Party - he would have been dragged through the mud for speaking out. Even if there isn't any mud - they will insinuate some.

Now I don't know him (LEW) and I disagree with his assessment of Slick Willie(PEEK A BOO) Marynewski . But when people share a few cold ones , it sort of shades their perceptions .

The politicians will always welcome you in when you support their agendas - once they perceive you as a threat to their piece of the pie - your no longer welcome .

This whole syndrome repeats itself in every layer of government - we the voters allow it and some say , "It,s just the way it works." Usually because we either know someone hired/appointed this way - or we feel helpless to affect real change.

One point I do agree with - quitters don't change any thing - they only compromise their own values . To many voters quit - don't quit - quit voting for the same old politicians -

Vote out the ones in office until things change - if these people didn't feel so sure they would get re-elected - maybe then they would understand they can loose that pension and perks package none of them want to acknowledge is the real reason they have become "Servants" of the people.

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number one i'll tell you why i quit

last election terry mescall came to the senior center and told us that if we voted for the progressive party they would close down the senior center which was a lie. when he was confronted by what he said at a board meeting he denied he said it which was another lie

when i tried to get other seniors to talk bring it up at the meeting they wouldn't do it. why, because most of them were afraid theyd be picked on and denied privileges at the center. when i asked them what made them think that they told me that dick hill threatened them. dick hill is runs the senior center and is the vice chairman at the action party. one senior whos son works for the village told me that dick and terry both warned her that her son would lose his job if she said anything.

i did have one woman who was willing to talk about it but her daughter got sick and she had to go out of town so she wasn't at the board meeting when mescall lied.

after i talked about it, i stopped getting anoucements and people wouldn't sit with me like i had lepersy or something. this isn't right but its how the action party runs depew. i always heard people complaning about how the action party ran the village but i didn't believe it until i actually saw it.

as far as doing things i went to action party meetings fund raisers, handed ou flyers door to door and all kinds of other stuff. i never took a job with the village or any perks,

i joined cause of the marynewskis. i used to go to the bar and i though billy was a good kid. i still think hes a good kid. hes had some problems but he aint a bad guy.

when i quit i didn't join the other party cause i didn't want to. i know barb alberti and shes a good kid. shes alway been good to me and she aint a liar

sometimes people quit things for good reasons. i think quiting a party because they use strong arm tactics like the action party does is a good reason to quit.

you want to call me a quiter, go ahead. i aint ashamed of what i did

[WNYresident]

The politicians will always welcome you in when you support their agendas - once they perceive you as a threat to their piece of the pie - your no longer welcome .

YOu got that right.

[Sal Mosca]

the budget in the paper is only prelimanary. its got to be approved by the board. do I believe it? i dunno. Ive been saying all along that because of the increased sales tax coming in because it goes up when gas goes up, i didn't think this years increase would be that high. i don't think its gonna end up being as bad as the last six years, but it could be higher than whats in the paper.

I want to talk about the action party ad in the bee. its slick. what does it say

first sentence

although the depew action party is committed to running issues oriented campaigns, we find it necessary to respond to misrepresentations made by our opposition

okay, what misrepresentation? they don't list them. the list at the bottom is the peoples voice platform not misrepresentations of the action partys actions or platform. and theyre committed to running issues oriented campaigns but they go on to describe the oppositions points as rhetoric and lies. so they don't deal with the issues, they throw mud at their opponents.

second sentence

regrettably we may not have the opportunity to respond to further misleading publications by our opposition.

okay, fair enough, thats true, on the other hand the opposition doesn't have time to respond to this ad where the action party accusses them of misleading, rhetoric, and lies

third sentence

we caution all dpew residents to carefully scrutinize the campaign rhetoric and satistics produced by each party

okay, good advice

last sentence

deceptive politicians will spread their lies at the last minute so the truth will not have the time to surface

okay, how do they know? they do it all the time and this ads a good example.
lets just look at the budget thing as an example. lancaster sloan and other villages had their budgets out a while ago. people had time to look at them. when did depew residents hear about their budget? today. like thats enough time for the opposition to go to the village hall get a budget check it out put together a flyer and pass it around to voters. again, an example of how deceptive politicians will spread info at the last minute so no one can figure out if its true or not.

theres a lot more to the ad and i gotta go. i'll finish my thoughts later

[Sal Mosca]

where was i? so after the couple of sentence i wrote about theres two columns, one is the opposition campaign statements and the other is the truth

the first one says reduce the village baord to 5 members and the truth column says the depew action party has passed a resolution supporting the reduction and has provided this issue to be voted on by the residents on march 20th.

okay they peoples voice flyer that i got says they support reducing the size of the board to. it doesn't say the action party didn't pass a resolution to do it but it does hit at them for taking all these years to do. ive been going to meetings for a long time and until this year, everytime someone from another party raised this issue the mayor and the board said they looked into it and the trustees have so much work to do that they couldn't get it done if they reduced the size of the board. they been saying this for over ten years. but thats the past, were going to get to vote on it tuesday and i hope it passes


the next issue raised is

maintain essential services and under the truth it says the depew action party opposes police consolidation and has acquired new equipment for nearly every essential department with plans for future improvement and so on

okay so heres the point, i got no problem with what theyre saying its close enough to the truth to accept, but the peoples voice party aint saying the action party aint doing this. all it says in there flyer is they will support essential services. so wheres the misleading rhetoric and lies?

the next issue is misleading

cap spending to the rate of inflation and under the truth it says the depew action party has provided 8 tax cut budgets and an average tax increase over the past 12 years at less than half the inflation rate

okay the action party didn't deliver 8 tax cut budgets, they delivered 7 the budget in there first year was there before they took office just like if they lose this election the budget in albertis first year will be the budget mcintosh wrote. the first year budget had a tax cut, but it was written by rusinek and passed by a board controlled by another party the progressive party i think.

the tax increase over the past 12 years at less than half the inflation rate. i don't know, it could be true, i don't know what the inflation rate was

but i do know this, mayor joe hasn't been mayor for 12 years, hes only been mayor for five or six. hes never delievered a budget with a tax cut hes also raised taxes over 40 % in five or six years. hes running for mayor hes the one they want us to vote for. why dont they focus on his record

the peoples voice literature does say they want to cap spending at the cost of inflation, but they didn't say the action party wasn't. i'm looking at there flyer now and it doesn't even mention mayor joes tax hikes

i can't type no more but i aint finished

[pudge]

Village Government Abolishment

Village residents are paying Cheektowaga over $3 million in property taxes revenues and only receiving $350,000 in turn to support police services that cost approximately $4 million. Why hasn’t the Village been challenging this gross disparity? Isn’t there a state constitutional provision that gives towns the authority to abolish village tax levies?

There was an attempt made by Depew’s Progressive Party in the mid 90’s to petition the state legislature to move a bill that would change the language from “may” allow the Towns of Lancaster and Cheektowaga to exercise their authority to lower the tax rate levied by them on the Village of Depew to “shall” exempt them of such tax liability. At minimum, the towns could grant tax relief where duplication of services is proved to exist.

Although members of the State Legislature favored the action, it did not find favor at that time with Supervisors Lucien Greco of Lancaster and Cheektowaga Supervisor Dennis Gabryszak. Without such support the action died.

Greco did lower the assessment by 11%. Nothing changed with Cheektowaga. There have been a number of Depew Village Trustees serving on the Cheektowaga Town Board over the years. Why are the interests of the residents of Depew not being served?

The Village is imploding because of lack of new development revenues and a residency that overall has not the wealth or means to pick up the slack. Nor should they expect to be pillaged by Cheektowaga, especially when that town tells the Village of Depew “we will police your Village if you don’t.”

Perhaps it’s time for Village residents to seriously consider government abolishment regardless who gets into office?

[cobruce]

Pillaged is the right word. I've been against this since moving into the Village 25 years ago. We get nothing for our Cheektowaga tax dollars. Yesterdays News said-"we tax them as if the Village did not exist." This was said by a Cheektowaga poll. If this statement does not get the blood boiling nothing will. Make sure to vote For ALBERTI. Need new blood in Depew!

[LewDepew]

yes sir it was mike rusinek from the progresive party who fough like the devil to get cheektowaga stop taxing depew to death. he lobbied like hell to change things. he actually got some local state politicans to put up a bill to change the way towns can tax villages. he got beat and the law died

he got beat because cheektowaga politicans put there fingers in the pie to help get him beat. since then no one from the action party has done anything to change they cheektowaga taxes depew. and cheektowaga is doing it again. a friend of mine was showing me a letter he got from the cheektowaga republicans endorsing action party candidates. it came from mitch martini. funny thing is my friend lives on the lancaster side of depew and he still got the letter from the cheektowaga guys

[atotaltotalfan2001]

Do you acutally believe them? I dont' mean the news, I mean the people putting the budget togeather?

Well, it is true that the numbers can change until the budget is approved by the village board. If the vote has occurred, I haven't read about it yet.

And are we talking about the whole budget, including special districts? Spending for special districts can change everything, in terms of what you really end up being taxed. At least that is the case in town governments. Not sure about villages.

[mesue]

... Make sure to vote For ALBERTI. Need new blood in Depew!
Will this bring back health care for life?

[LewDepew]

elected village board members in depew don't get health insurance benefits

[mesue]

elected village board members in depew don't get health insurance benefits
They used to, for life. That stopped.

[hawkeye]

Well outing the Depew Bee Yesterday I read that the Reporter Lisa Johnson"s Editorial was a pleasent surprise to say the lease. The truth nothing but the truth and I smile to page (9) nine and the Action Party's Campaign Paid statement. As I explore the article I saw what the "Keep Responsible & HONEST Government in Depew". Please, Please Please again Honesty is not in their vocabularty. for the luckly ones I would like to explore some but not all the B.S. (1) Depew Action Party has provided (8) tax cut budgets and an ave. tax increase over the past 12 years at Less than 1/2 the inflaction rate. Poor math. The first Budget was the Progressive Party's budget just sign and deleived and Can anyone say what is the inflaction rate then and now? Action needs to do the math again. My money in 1995 was worth more because I could get a gallon of gas for $ 1.59 to $1.61 and today when my car is going over the poorly repaired roads in Depew like on George Urban near Transit. and today at $2.799 at the Moblie at Transit and Walden Ave. The Village of Depew Building Department and at best the biggest joke in the Village for a Dept. of blood sucking leaches and that the taxpayers dollars were talking here. And the just added two part-timers. more money suck out of the taxpayers pockets. The Commerical Building inspector live in Lancaster and part- time worker who woes his job to the chairman of the Action Party and his father in law ! The residenial building inspector has his strings being pulled by the highest bidder and meaning Action now and the Progressive Party in the past and watchout Peoples Party your next. (3) Eliminate friends and family hiring and this is the biggest joke of them all look at Jake and his family history of two or maybe three kids working for recreation dept. and his wife being a election inspector in the pass that adds up to Five for one. In closing I can only say the first time I hear the long ranger plan was Mr. Irv Reing's statements for the Village and the Senior Center. This is sicking to see that the Mayor that couldn't admit the letters to the students at the Depew School cleanup issue and the letter to the residents received form the Action Party becaused they sign the New Party's Petition"s coming out of the Bowenville Post Office. sounds like the Action Party is B.S.ing it:p

[WNYresident]

Will this bring back health care for life?

Pretty scarey how they give that stuff away.

Specially when it's just refered to as health care not a "fix amount of money" for the benefit given.

[mesue]

Pretty scarey how they give that stuff away.

Specially when it's just refered to as health care not a "fix amount of money" for the benefit given.
It is scary. I would rather see my money go toward the police and highway dept where I see results, than see people, who worked a part time job for 4 years, get health care benefits for life. What kind of nonsense is that? That is just so not right.

[hawkeye]

This not the first time Mitch Martin endorsed the action party, two yeras ago and the same letter went out from the Democrate chairmen from both Cheek. and Lancaster endorsed the Action party canidates and everyone can thank Joey C. for this. the good old boy network if anyone wants to change the government even in the Village of Depew.

[mesue]

This not the first time Mitch Martin endorsed the action party, two yeras ago and the same letter went out from the Democrate chairmen from both Cheek. and Lancaster endorsed the Action party canidates and everyone can thank Joey C. for this. the good old boy network if anyone wants to change the government even in the Village of Depew.
I'm not so sure change would be good right now. I haven't heard anything but negativity from the People's Voice. Whose good ole boys do they hang around with? Mr. Beutler? I get sick of the negativity. It reminds me of Hillary rolling her eyes 7 years ago. Some images just don't leave and are very hard to turn around into something positive. I haven't heard any issues that the People's Voice stand for. What do they stand for?

[FJB]

Just curious, How far back do you guys go in the Depew politics scheme? When I was very young my Uncle Bill was on the Depew Village Board and was also Depew Vol. Fire Chief. How is the politics now compared to then? Better or worse?

[hawkeye]

I'm not so sure change would be good right now. I haven't heard anything but negativity from the People's Voice. Whose good ole boys do they hang around with? Mr. Beutler? I get sick of the negativity. It reminds me of Hillary rolling her eyes 7 years ago. Some images just don't leave and are very hard to turn around into something positive. I haven't heard any issues that the People's Voice stand for. What do they stand for?
Mesue is fast to protect the Action Party and it's boss and it appears to me that I have hit a nerve about the Chairmen of the Republican and Democrate Parties. The fact someone wants it's government to be honest and for the people, and Mr. Beutler has been a pain in the action party's neck, and for that I say I want to thank him and others for standing up at board meetings and looking out for your tax dollars. Just read the articles and handout and you can read what the peoples party stands for .

[mesue]

Mesue is fast to protect the Action Party and it's boss and it appears to me that I have hit a nerve about the Chairmen of the Republican and Democrate Parties.
...
You didn't hit a nerve with me. I am neither Republican nor Democrat. I do, however, pay my taxes and like to see them well spent.
The factt that you thank Beutler tells me that you are of the same mindset as he. I find him and his antics scary.
Why did the Progressive Party disban and call themselves The People's Voice?

[hawkeye]

Mesue, The fact that you are neither Republican or Democrate is scary, Joe Cipolla is a Conseritive, and that shows everyone you is pushing you buttons. I did hear that the Progressive Party disbanded but the people to ask are the Former Chairmen Jeffery Davis, and Sandra Piecznski. I do agree with you Beutler does scares me too.

[4248]

Mesue, The fact that you are neither Republican or Democrate is scary, Joe Cipolla is a Consecrative, and that shows everyone you is pushing you buttons. I did hear that the Progressive Party disbanded but the people to ask are the Former Chairmen Jeffery Davis, and Sandra Piecznski. I do agree with you Beutler does scares me too.

I guess some one just realized its hard to deny their connection to Conservative Party Boss Joe Cipolla when his name appears on Depews website site as a Depew Official - so just in time for this years election cycle , it was removed .

Hiding the name won't change any thing - its hard not to know that just about every Town , Village Board and Political Party east of Union Rd. has his finger prints on it .

Bill Marynewski can pretend all he wants - Joe pulled his ashes out of the fire and for that you owe . The problem with Political and Personal favors is - at first there free - then the one who did the favor always needs some thing or they can pull the rug out from under neath you at any time .

Remember all those people you helped Mr. Joe meet through your Probation connection - well they remember you ! ;) Oh and by the way - they forgot to update your bio on Depews website - you havent worked for the Probation Department for a couple years now ! :eek:

I saw Bob G. almost cry once , when just before he was to face his sham interview with the local conservatives -
Mr. Joe walked up and said :
"I not going for you this time Bob." I thought he was going to wet himself - at-least until Mr. Joe laughed and said he was "Just kidding" :)

Its funny how things work out ! :D

[Sylvan]

Oh now mesue :eek: Naughty naughty. Learning about the leaders you follow sure reminds me of all that stuff in the other threads about principles. :rolleyes: Do what you choose but...Naughty naughty! ;)

So, will someone please help me understand just how corrupt Depew really is?

Thanks.

[mesue]

Mesue, The fact that you are neither Republican or Democrate is scary, Joe Cipolla is a Conseritive, and that shows everyone you is pushing you buttons. I did hear that the Progressive Party disbanded but the people to ask are the Former Chairmen Jeffery Davis, and Sandra Piecznski. I do agree with you Beutler does scares me too.
Why is it scary? I'm neither Conservative or Liberal. Do I scare you because I think freely? Shouldn't everybody?

[LewDepew]

Oh now mesue :eek: Naughty naughty. Learning about the leaders you follow sure reminds me of all that stuff in the other threads about principles. :rolleyes: Do what you choose but...Naughty naughty! ;)

So, will someone please help me understand just how corrupt Depew really is?

Thanks.

how corrupt heres what happened to a friend of mine who lived in the house behind mine he moved. before he could sell his house he had to have a sump pump put in because mayor joe and his buddys passed a law that you gotta have a sump pump before you can sell your house. this buddy of mine gets an offer on his house but freddy grubs, one of the inspectors comes over and says he can't sell it till he puts in a sump pump

so my friend gets a plumber in and the guy puts one in and freddy grub tell him it dont pass inspection. freddy tells him whats wrong with it and suggests he calls a one of his friends to fix it. my buddy figures he already hired a plumber and if he did something wrong he should fix it. so he gets the plumber to come back and the plumber can't see nothing wrong. freddy grubs comes back and finds even more wrong and says the plumber my friend hired is no good and that he should call his buddy cause he'll do it right.

my friends stubborn so he calls his plumber back and his plumber tells him theres nothing wrong with the job he did. he told my buddy he better call freddys friend because freddy aint gonna pass the job until he gets his cut.

my buddy had to pay freddys friend almost as much as he paid the first plumber to fix the nothing that was wrong. freddys friend took the money, went in the basement, did nothing, and told my buddy he fixed the problem. then freddy grubs comes over and says the job passed inspection.

thats only the beginning of how corrupt depew is

[mesue]

I guess some one just realized its hard to deny their connection to Conservative Party Boss Joe Cipolla when his name appears on Depews website site as a Depew Official - so just in time for this years election cycle , it was removed .

Hiding the name won't change any thing - its hard not to know that just about every Town , Village Board and Political Party east of Union Rd. has his finger prints on it .

Bill Marynewski can pretend all he wants - Joe pulled his ashes out of the fire and for that you owe . The problem with Political and Personal favors is - at first there free - then the one who did the favor always needs some thing or they can pull the rug out from under neath you at any time .

Remember all those people you helped Mr. Joe meet through your Probation connection - well they remember you ! ;) Oh and by the way - they forgot to update your bio on Depews website - you havent worked for the Probation Department for a couple years now ! :eek:

I saw Bob G. almost cry once , when just before he was to face his sham interview with the local conservatives -
Mr. Joe walked up and said :
"I not going for you this time Bob." I thought he was going to wet himself - at-least until Mr. Joe laughed and said he was "Just kidding" :)

Its funny how things work out ! :D
I owe? I was on probation?
I owe no one anything, I'm not politically connected.
Probation for what? As a nurse I've been in a probationary period with a new job, but that's about it. I haven't broken a law worthy of probation since 1978. As soon as I turned 16 I figured I better straighten up ;)
You must think I'm a somebody.
Who do you think I am?

[LewDepew]

how corrupt is depew

dicky hill, the vice admiral of the action party, works a parttime job at the senior center 19 hrs a week

he gets paid for 40 hours. figure that one out.

[LewDepew]

how corrupt is depew

joey cippola, who runs depew, built a building on transit road without permits. the fire company told the village not to let anyone build anything on the lot because theres no water there and if theres a fire theres no way the can fight it joey built the building anyway and his cronys in the building deptaremnet and the village board did nothing

[LewDepew]

how corrupt is depew

in the last election joey cipolla had the dpw put the 100 ft election signs 300 feet away from where they were supposed to be. when the progressive party people bitched about the action party candidates handing out flyers in front of the signs the action party candidates told them to pee up a rope. the progessive party called the kuciewicz and he didnt do nothing. they finally called the county board of elections and the guy came out and made the village put the signs in the right place

after the election jeff davis said joey told him he did it and was laughing about it

[4248]

I guess some one just realized its hard to deny their connection to Conservative Party Boss Joe Cipolla when his name appears on Depews website site as a Depew Official - so just in time for this years election cycle , it was removed .

Hiding the name won't change any thing - its hard not to know that just about every Town , Village Board and Political Party east of Union Rd. has his finger prints on it .

Bill Marynewski can pretend all he wants - Joe pulled his ashes out of the fire and for that you owe . The problem with Political and Personal favors is - at first there free - then the one who did the favor always needs some thing or they can pull the rug out from under neath you at any time .

Remember all those people you helped Mr. Joe meet through your Probation connection - well they remember you ! ;) Oh and by the way - they forgot to update your bio on Depews website - you havent worked for the Probation Department for a couple years now ! :eek:

I saw Bob G. almost cry once , when just before he was to face his sham interview with the local conservatives -
Mr. Joe walked up and said :
"I not going for you this time Bob." I thought he was going to wet himself - at-least until Mr. Joe laughed and said he was "Just kidding" :)

Its funny how things work out ! :D

Not sure how you (mesue) got in this - but this wasn't aimed at you - just an open opinion - unless your Billy Boy ?

[Sylvan]

how corrupt is depew

joey cippola, who runs depew, built a building on transit road without permits. the fire company told the village not to let anyone build anything on the lot because theres no water there and if theres a fire theres no way the can fight it joey built the building anyway and his cronys in the building deptaremnet and the village board did nothing
Has the building started on fire yet? I wonder how much the insurance policy is worth. lol

[LewDepew]

how corrupt is depew

drive by caseys junkyard on transit. they gotta be braking every law in the book. theres been fires there fireman have been injured firetrucks and equipment have been damaged. they are dumping junk on property that isn't theres and on and on. theyve never be cited. why

action party member and former board member nick sherwood works there and he worked there while he was on the board

[LewDepew]

Has the building started on fire yet? I wonder how much the insurance policy is worth. lol

the building is one that came from bethlehem steel. they took it down there and put it up in depew. its a beautiful sight.

[Sylvan]

Sorry. Not familiar. I'll have to take a ride through depew on monday when I go to the burbs. I'll be coming from clinton onto 78...is this building near the John Deer dealer or the gun shop?

[LewDepew]

Sorry. Not familiar. I'll have to take a ride through depew on monday when I go to the burbs. I'll be coming from clinton onto 78...is this building near the John Deer dealer or the gun shop?

the building is cross the street from caseys junk yard, between the railroad bridges

[LewDepew]

how corrupt is depew

joey cipolla got his brother appointed assistant judge in depew. he brother was drunk. he beat up his girlfriend and stole her car. no one knows what punishment he got cause somebody got the judge to seal the records. johnny cipolla did lose his job as assistant judge

[WNYresident]

how corrupt is depew

dicky hill, the vice admiral of the action party, works a parttime job at the senior center 19 hrs a week

he gets paid for 40 hours. figure that one out.

Means who ever his boss is not qualified. No one would pay someone a full time wage for 40 hours if they only show up for 19..

You should start a new thread and fill us in some.

[Sal Mosca]

somebody mentioned something about the peoples voice being negative

i'm looking at both partys flyers and ads here. theres only one that uses negative words like lies rhetoric and misleading statements. that one was the ad the action party put in the bee. the peoples voice flyers mostly say what the peoples voice candidates want to do.

there seems to be some people here who support the peoples voice. from what i know most of what they are saying is true. it don't make the action party look good but its true. theres a lot of politicians out there who say the other side is being negative when the other side says things that are true and what they are saying doesnt put the politician in a good light.

in my opinion the peoples voice is running a positive campaign. the action party and there supporters would like everyone to belive the peoples voice is running a negative campaign because some depew residents are fed up with there baloney and are talking about it. and when i say people are talking about it, i don't mean there just talking about it here. i was listening in on some people at burger king today. if you think people are talking here you should of heard the things these people were saying.

[Sylvan]

the building is cross the street from caseys junk yard, between the railroad bridges
OH yeah. I remember being back in there once. About 4-5 years ago. I got a lead about some dude who started a metal business who needed an estimate for wiring his heavier equipment.

He had a clan working for him, said they were friends from Saudi Arabia but they sure looked like Persians to me.

This guy got the transformer on the wall so hot the paint was burned off of it and the wall was a little scorched. One of the coil was fried too, so he lost half of his building power. The moron must have tried to run all his equipment at once out of that itty bitty breaker panel. HaHaHa!!!!! You'd think the MAIN would trip before the transformer could burn. lol

Anyway, the whole job was worth 22k for the service upgrade, new transformer, and have all his machines hooked back up in conduit with fused safety switches, and operating safely and efficiently. But I told him I could do it for 19k.

I thought the dude was going to have a heart attack and get a couple of those Persians to cut my throat.

Then he says he wants "me?" to go get the money from his landlord.

pfffft...

There has to be only 2 possibilities...

1. the landlord evicted him for blowing up the transformer and he went out of business.
or
2. They hired a F***'in residential contractor who would agree to wire a metal building with Romex and 10 minimum wage punks for 25-30k.

Probably a cousin of one of those politicains you have over there.

So, that brings me to my next question...

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH DEPEW?

LOL

[mesue]

Not sure how you (mesue) got in this - but this wasn't aimed at you - just an open opinion - unless your Billy Boy ?
Thank you bullitt :)
No, I'm not Billy Boy. I'm not sure who he is. I suppose I could guess, but I would be guessing at names as I don't know a lot of people.
I've been called something close to a Billy Goat, they were a little gruff ;)

[hawkeye]

Why is it scary? I'm neither Conservative or Liberal. Do I scare you because I think freely? Shouldn't everybody?
Mesue: I'm surprise you think freely, shouldn't everyone YES, That also includes the Village of Depew Board and not be the puppets for The Boss. ;)

[bigjoe]

where do you get your info? i have read all your junk and thats all it is - lucky for you the constitution allows for public stupidity and lies.

[bigjoe]

since john cipolla is a friend of mine, and i have had the great misfortune of wasting my time reading your lies, i think i will add a little light to your darkness:
john was not drunk his girlfriend was. john took her car to prevent her from driving - this fact was supported by numerous eye witness accounts. there was never any claim of physical abuse whatsoever!
john resigned from judge at the request of the mayor due to an unrelated issue where john was censored for creating the APPEARANCE of impropriety but not for any actual impropriety. John did the honorable thing for depew and resigned although there was never any actual infraction requiring it!

by the way, the constitution provides for free speach but it does not allow you to accuse innocent people of a crime - that is called slander.

i will be forwarding your posts to john for his review and let him decide wether or not he should take legal action against you!

[bigjoe]

2 more things before i go:

1. the cipolla family does not build buildings, they are not builders they are developers. they did not build anything without a permit because they didnt build anything! just another lie from the misinformed i guess.

2. if you people actually had any facts, you would use your real names so it would be easy to make you accountable! clearly you need to hide behind anonymity because you know your statements are lies!

[Sylvan]

None of my posts are a lie about Depew. All I wanted to do was help out another WNY small business in an honest, fair, and safe way. But for some reason either people cant afford to cover the costs OR they just use you to get the "connected" high bidder to come down a little bit.

Who in Depew is in favor of supporting well principled independents.

[hawkeye]

Going to my mail box on Saturday I was not surprise buy the last or latest information of the ACTION Party. page 1 cover ones butt and put the letter from the Karp girl, good move to curve the intent of the Boss.
Consolidation of service with the Towns. Well I guest you got them and in the year 2020 it will be $6,77.617.00 saved. Get over it !
(2) Elimination medical benefits for elected Officials yes again you did it and the saving well in 2020 $2,897,520.00
Page two (2) Pictures Serving the Seniors and who do we see David Mazur who hasn't been on the Board in four years,or so.
(3) The picture of the new Senior's van and look you is standing there Mr. Bob Kucewicz as the MAYOR and he has been out of the Mayor's Chair for five or six years. Please show pictures of the canidates doing something for this Village and were is the Mayor in any of the Action Party activities MISSING at best. (4) the Dawson Field and again you see Mr. Bobby K and no Board members. (5) Investigating resident concerns at local Construction project and again his was the former Mayor Bob K. when he was running for the State Assembley against Sandra Wirth and only after only a few months in office as Mayor and buy the way that building is still empty and no business in the future, just ask the Mayor. ( 6) the Picture of the building on Walden Ave. and check with the Fire Dept. and you will find out if was a fire trap and the residents were force out of it. The Building Dept. work with a architect and redone it and yes save after major structual inside changes.

Just look at the last page and WoW savings and our taxes are the last thing to worry you can affort the TAXES but how can one compair apples to oranges LOOOOOOOOOOOK at it Town Taxes Cheektowag, also are the other ones maybe the towns of ALDEN?, HAMBURG?, EAST AURORA?, and please look at the SCHOOL TAXES of Depew and Lancaster .

twisted truths need to be address and the action Party is using late minute LIES to confuse the Voters and March 20th the voters will be given a chance to change the fate of the Village of Depew. ;)

[4248]

since john cipolla is a friend of mine,(Brothers - should be friends) and i have had the great misfortune of wasting my time reading your lies, i think i will add a little light to your darkness:
john was not drunk his girlfriend was. john took her car to prevent her from driving - this fact was supported by numerous eye witness accounts. there was never any claim of physical abuse whatsoever!
john resigned from judge at the request of the mayor due to an unrelated issue where john was censored for creating the APPEARANCE of impropriety (you mean it only appeared he used his authority to falsely investigate his girlfriend - It only appeared he abused his office? - Being the hot shot lawyer he is - and all the money his family has - lawyers by the dozen - you and everyone else knows if he could have got out of the whole mess unscathed , then you guys would have sued.but not for any actual impropriety. John did the honorable thing for depew and resigned although there was never any actual infraction requiring it!

by the way, the constitution provides for free speech but it does not allow you to accuse innocent people of a crime - that is called slander.(you said it only appeared to be a crime!
i will be forwarding your posts to john for his review and let him decide whether or not he should take legal action against you!
Now there's truly what the two younger cips do best - bully and threaten to sue people - At least your father has class - you guys are just two wanna be's riding daddies coat tales . There is no law suit here - I am sure the people who post here are expressing opinions and meant no malice or slander. So that would be enough under the law and you know it - and as far as people putting their names up for you - well thats just dumb - anyone who knows anyone know intimidation and even worse is not below you guys ! If you weren't in the street - your names wouldn't be here. Truth is Truth!:D

P.S.
Speakupwny will soon be getting a sample of just what i'm talking about - i would bet the phones in their office will soon be filled with "You can be sued -we are legit developers- we want you to take it down "-
this should be fun to see who wins this one.

[WNYresident]

P.S.
Speakupwny will soon be getting a sample of just what i'm talking about - i would bet the phones in their office will soon be filled with "You can be sued -we are legit developers- we want you to take it down "-
this should be fun to see who wins this one.

bullitt4248,

They should be confronting you on this not speakup. Speakup is a piece of software that runs on a server.

[LewDepew]

well the action party flunkys did it again. action party trustee gene molanaro told the seniors at there last meeting that if they voted for the peoples voice candidates that the peoples voice candidates would close down the senior center. i hope this time more seniors will come out and tell everyone what happened. of course its gettin kinda late and the election is tomorrow. since he told them this lasst wednesday they dont have a lotta time to do whats right and come forward and tell people whats the hell is really going on

[4248]

bullitt4248,

They should be confronting you on this not speakup. Speakup is a piece of software that runs on a server.
When Lancaster residents used the BEE Heard line - it was reduced to almost nothing - because they were told they would be sued. When people posted truth on the BEE website - the public comment section of their website was removed.

Thats all i was saying. I just get a giggle every time a anonymous poster - says "Post your name." I would be for everyone submitting their real names and on the same day all aliases were changed for everyone - past & present and no matter how many names each person uses. Lets do a poll and see who volunteers!

They are trying so hard to figure out who they need to silence - certain members of a party have contacted a friend of mine because his wife has part of my screen name in her business literature.I will set up the "Coming out Poll" and lets see how people respond!

[LewDepew]

since john cipolla is a friend of mine, and i have had the great misfortune of wasting my time reading your lies, i think i will add a little light to your darkness:
john was not drunk his girlfriend was. john took her car to prevent her from driving - this fact was supported by numerous eye witness accounts. there was never any claim of physical abuse whatsoever!
john resigned from judge at the request of the mayor due to an unrelated issue where john was censored for creating the APPEARANCE of impropriety but not for any actual impropriety. John did the honorable thing for depew and resigned although there was never any actual infraction requiring it!

by the way, the constitution provides for free speach but it does not allow you to accuse innocent people of a crime - that is called slander.

i will be forwarding your posts to john for his review and let him decide wether or not he should take legal action against you!

the bee and the news said john was drunk and stole the car, so send that info to him so he can sue them to. your side of the story is way different from what was in the papers. so what are you saying, the papers lied to. i wouldn't be surprised to here that because it aint the first time someone tried to use that idea here.

[LewDepew]

2 more things before i go:

1. the cipolla family does not build buildings, they are not builders they are developers. they did not build anything without a permit because they didnt build anything! just another lie from the misinformed i guess.

2. if you people actually had any facts, you would use your real names so it would be easy to make you accountable! clearly you need to hide behind anonymity because you know your statements are lies!

this is a good one. this is how these idiots twist the truth. the cipolla family doens't build buildings. nah, they would never get there hands dirty doing any actualy work. there developers. they just cause buildings to get built. so they didn't build any buildings without permits joe just caused a building to get built and there just didn't happen to be any permits issued for that building. but did he actullay build the building, no i guess not. i guess i stand corrected.

i have facts, the fact is the building on transit road was built without permits and when it was discussed at the village board meetings it was talked about as a building being put up by joe cipolla. but i guess they were wrong to because joe the developer doesn't build buildings. joe just causes them to get built.

[LewDepew]

When Lancaster residents used the BEE Heard line - it was reduced to almost nothing - because they were told they would be sued. When people posted truth on the BEE website - the public comment section of their website was removed.

Thats all i was saying. I just get a giggle every time a anonymous poster - says "Post your name." I would be for everyone submitting their real names and on the same day all aliases were changed for everyone - past & present and no matter how many names each person uses. Lets do a poll and see who volunteers!

They are trying so hard to figure out who they need to silence - certain members of a party have contacted a friend of mine because his wife has part of my screen name in her business literature.I will set up the "Coming out Poll" and lets see how people respond!

i don't know whose trying hard to figure out who needs to be silenced, but they know who i am. i used to be one of them. yeah joe, i heard you braggin about how you run depew at the fund raisers and the meetings. i know all about you and how you operate. and it would be real hard for me to say all i'm saying wihtout being able to hide my name. i feel bad for the guy thats bein contacted cause his wifes has part of bullitts name in her business stuff. but people need to see that for what it is. another sign of what the action party does to people who they want to shut up.

[mesue]

well the action party flunkys did it again. action party trustee gene molanaro told the seniors at there last meeting that if they voted for the peoples voice candidates that the peoples voice candidates would close down the senior center. i hope this time more seniors will come out and tell everyone what happened. of course its gettin kinda late and the election is tomorrow. since he told them this lasst wednesday they dont have a lotta time to do whats right and come forward and tell people whats the hell is really going on
What was the "if" part or the "because" part of why the senior center will close down.
Did he say:
The senoir center will close down if _____________ ( fill in the blank)
or
The senior center will close because ______________ (fill in the blank)

He had to give a reason. What was the reason?

[LewDepew]

did anyone go to last nights meeting. if ya did i got a few questions for ya.

is it my imagination or did mayor joe snub molinari and pieczynski. i mean he thanked some employes and mescal and let mescal say a few words and then ended the meeting without thanking molinaro and peiczynski or letting them talk. did molinaro and peiczynski look angry or what. its like they wanted to say something and mayor joe didn't let them. is that what happened or am i imagining that.

and what was that garbage with kwak. i mean first hes going to retire and they took his job out of the budget and now there putting him on a leave of absence and hes gotta be added back to the budget. whats going on there. i mean what gives. i knew his dad. his dad was a straght shooter and wouldnt take advantage of the village. but whats with him.

yeah i heard the rumors that they were going to put someone else in his place. but if you know the union rules, you know that was just a rumor. although wiht mayor joe, ya never know what hes going to do.

but what gives with kwak. if your going to retire your going to retire. is he still retiring or did something change. does anyone know.

[4248]

When will the Depew Village Board announce which Board Members will be let go?

Can some one explain the process ,please.

Thanks



:confused:

Talk about the "Family Plan"-- KWAK_KWAK_KWAK says the duck!

[4248]

did anyone go to last nights meeting. if ya did i got a few questions for ya.

is it my imagination or did mayor joe snub molinari and pieczynski. i mean he thanked some employes and mescal and let mescal say a few words and then ended the meeting without thanking molinaro and peiczynski or letting them talk. did molinaro and peiczynski look angry or what. its like they wanted to say something and mayor joe didn't let them. is that what happened or am i imagining that.

and what was that garbage with kwak. i mean first hes going to retire and they took his job out of the budget and now there putting him on a leave of absence and hes gotta be added back to the budget. whats going on there. i mean what gives. i knew his dad. his dad was a straght shooter and wouldnt take advantage of the village. but whats with him.

yeah i heard the rumors that they were going to put someone else in his place. but if you know the union rules, you know that was just a rumor. although wiht mayor joe, ya never know what hes going to do.

but what gives with kwak. if your going to retire your going to retire. is he still retiring or did something change. does anyone know.

Don Kwak - unfortunately had scruples.

He was bothered by the lack of same on the Lancaster Town Board . He was a fair man and always seemed mainly interested in Lancaster's long term . He should have been Supervisor , but his Party loyalties prevented that , I was a Dem right up until just before he exited . (OOOPS!) :)