Termination of East Aurora Police Contract

[Consolidation]

Now is the time for the town to look at contracting with the Erie County Sheriff's Office for dedicated patrol. The deputy would be dedicated to the town and cannot leave. The price would be half the price of the current contract with the village.

Same protection just a star on the side of the patrol car.

I know the village police will say that response times will be the same as Elma. That is a lie, don't believe it! Elma does not have a contract with the Sheriff's Office. The Sheriff's Office does not guarantee a car in the Town of Elma. Also, they will lie and tell you that you won't know your deputies. Deputies work out of the same patrol district day in and day out. The deputies assigned to the Town of Aurora would be the same, all the time. Just ask the residents of the Village of Springville. They know the deputies because the same deputies work all the time in the village.

The Village of Springville pays about $400,000/year for a dedicated car. Not bad, when you compare what the Town of Aurora pays the Village of East Aurora: $ 1.2 million/year.

Wake up Town of Aurora supervisor and talk to the town supervisor of the town of Clay, New York. They abolished their police department, last year, and contracted with the Onondaga County Sheriff's Office for two dedicated patrol cars and reduced property taxes 20%.

[Save Us]

Now is the time for the town to look at contracting with the Erie County Sheriff's Office for dedicated patrol. The deputy would be dedicated to the town and cannot leave. The price would be half the price of the current contract with the village.

Same protection just a star on the side of the patrol car.

I know the village police will say that response times will be the same as Elma. That is a lie, don't believe it! Elma does not have a contract with the Sheriff's Office. The Sheriff's Office does not guarantee a car in the Town of Elma. Also, they will lie and tell you that you won't know your deputies. Deputies work out of the same patrol district day in and day out. The deputies assigned to the Town of Aurora would be the same, all the time. Just ask the residents of the Village of Springville. They know the deputies because the same deputies work all the time in the village.

The Village of Springville pays about $400,000/year for a dedicated car. Not bad, when you compare what the Town of Aurora pays the Village of East Aurora: $ 1.2 million/year.

Wake up Town of Aurora supervisor and talk to the town supervisor of the town of Clay, New York. They abolished their police department, last year, and contracted with the Onondaga County Sheriff's Office for two dedicated patrol cars and reduced property taxes 20%.

property taxes were reduced 20%!!! wow.

I am surprised, I would have thought that it would have been a lot less for a car to cover Springville with one car??

[Consolidation]

property taxes were reduced 20%!!! wow.

I am surprised, I would have thought that it would have been a lot less for a car to cover Springville with one car??

Ya, I know 20% does not look like much, but when your paying $5000+, it is a lot of money . . .

It is actually less, for a car in Springville. They only pay for 20 hours a day of coverage. It is more like $350,000 per year.

Sheriff's deputies are the lowest paid police, in Erie County, thats why they are much cheaper. They do not have binding arbitration benefits like local and state police.

[ThePeach]

In my village years ago we went with the Sheriff dept. and eliminated our police , it did not last long.

[Save Us]

Ya, I know 20% does not look like much, but when your paying $5000+, it is a lot of money . . .

It is actually less, for a car in Springville. They only pay for 20 hours a day of coverage. It is more like $350,000 per year.

Sheriff's deputies are the lowest paid police, in Erie County, thats why they are much cheaper. They do not have binding arbitration benefits like local and state police.

Not at all, I think that 20 percent is a lot. Taxes are too high we all know it.

[Consolidation]

In my village years ago we went with the Sheriff dept. and eliminated our police , it did not last long.

What village would that be? Why did it not last?

[WNYRealist]

Now is the time for the town to look at contracting with the Erie County Sheriff's Office for dedicated patrol. The deputy would be dedicated to the town and cannot leave. The price would be half the price of the current contract with the village.

I agree with you CONSOLIDATION. I've been trying to push for this in Lancaster but they are brainwashed. I used to live in Elma and always had excellent service with the Sheriffs. They were polite, friendly and always willing to help. Aurora/East Aurora should seriously consider it. There is no need for small towns and villages to have their own police department. I certainly do not take anything away from the fine officers of your town, I am sure they are professionals. I am just saying there is no need for small departments when you can get a much bigger bang for the buck with a larger department. Get a contract with the Sheriffs and you will enjoy the benefits of the resources that come along with it. Now is your chance!

[BorderBob]

Town mayors like their police departments. It is part of the power structure that makes them feel important. It is the reality and the reason that many very small towns and villages have to have their own police and not contract with the SP or Sheriff.

You need to change your town government before you can change the police.


b.b.

[WNYRealist]

Town mayors like their police departments. It is part of the power structure that makes them feel important. It is the reality and the reason that many very small towns and villages have to have their own police and not contract with the SP or Sheriff.

You need to change your town government before you can change the police.


b.b.

Sad but I agree. One point is the municipalities can contract with the Sheriffs but not state police. Keep in mind salaries. Typically the troopers make the most $ followed by the towns and then the sheriffs. It doesn't make sense considering the towns and sheriffs go through the same training. Sheriffs have county-wide jurisdiction so border issues are not a problem. Sheriffs have more powers too, like civil authority, bomb squad, aviation, marine, SWAT, ect.

[Tangodown]

Ya, I know 20% does not look like much, but when your paying $5000+, it is a lot of money . . .

It is actually less, for a car in Springville. They only pay for 20 hours a day of coverage. It is more like $350,000 per year.

Sheriff's deputies are the lowest paid police, in Erie County, thats why they are much cheaper. They do not have binding arbitration benefits like local and state police.

They do have binding arbitration

[Tangodown]

It's not 20% of $5,000 for police. Don't spin it. $5000- average school taxes 2700 = 2300 - county tax of about 1000 = 1300 - about 1100 for town/village/highway/sewer/garbage/etc = about 300(but probably less). If they saved by those numbers 66% that would save them $200 per year on a home that pays that much in taxes. $200 is not 20% of $5000, it's close to 20% of $2300.

It may work out will for them with such a small population base to only need one patrol car for coverage and that makes sense...good for them!

Town of Clay only had 18 Police Officers total and only needed a 2 car coverage. So this may be a good call for them to save money.

Also the Sheriffs are in arbitration as we speak to settle a contract that has been expired for more than 2 years...hence why they are paid less...I don't blame them, because they want to be paid on par with local police....and I would not doubt they get it.....or close.

[wnyfuture]

It's not 20% of $5,000 for police. Don't spin it. $5000- average school taxes 2700 = 2300 - county tax of about 1000 = 1300 - about 1100 for town/village/highway/sewer/garbage/etc = about 300(but probably less). If they saved by those numbers 66% that would save them $200 per year on a home that pays that much in taxes. $200 is not 20% of $5000, it's close to 20% of $2300.

It may work out will for them with such a small population base to only need one patrol car for coverage and that makes sense...good for them!

Town of Clay only had 18 Police Officers total and only needed a 2 car coverage. So this may be a good call for them to save money.

Also the Sheriffs are in arbitration as we speak to settle a contract that has been expired for more than 2 years...hence why they are paid less...I don't blame them, because they want to be paid on par with local police....and I would not doubt they get it.....or close.
Source?

[WNYRealist]

TANGO throws out a lot of information, he seems to be an expert in law enforcement even outside of Erie County. So, again, why can't we explore options? What harm would that present? How do we get information from the Sheriff's?

[Consolidation]

They do have binding arbitration

They only have binding on salary, not anything else. Local police and state police have binding on everything: vacation, holidays, uniform allowance, etc.

That's why deputy sheriff's will ALWAYS cost less than local or state police.

[mnb811]

I think every village,town and city in Erie county should dump their police forces and become all sheriff patrolled. With the exception of Buffalo. Think about all the savings from elimination of cheifs,captians,etc... This is the way a lot of counties outside New York state do it. Only major cities have their own forces.Granted a lot of folks would be upset but the current buildings can be used for substations and the layers of government could be reduced.Wouldn't this be more efficent?Why not us??

[mnb811]

Town mayors like their police departments. It is part of the power structure that makes them feel important. It is the reality and the reason that many very small towns and villages have to have their own police and not contract with the SP or Sheriff.

You need to change your town government before you can change the police.


b.b.

They like using their police forces for political retribution that's why! I agree with you!

[Tangodown]

I think every village,town and city in Erie county should dump their police forces and become all sheriff patrolled. With the exception of Buffalo. Think about all the savings from elimination of cheifs,captians,etc... This is the way a lot of counties outside New York state do it. Only major cities have their own forces.Granted a lot of folks would be upset but the current buildings can be used for substations and the layers of government could be reduced.Wouldn't this be more efficent?Why not us??

That would be best...create one Metro PD for Erie County town/villages as a whole....then it would probably show a respectable savings.

[mnb811]

I believe it would but unions and politics well......I think we know the answer to that!

[Consolidation]

That would be best...create one Metro PD for Erie County town/villages as a whole....then it would probably show a respectable savings.

WOW!!!! I actually agree with you Tangodown! Your absolutely correct!

[Tangodown]

WOW!!!! I actually agree with you Tangodown! Your absolutely correct!

I've been trying to say that, and have said it before: Trim the upper level fat and keep everyone on same page.....Go big don't piecemeal it. Fry the big fish not the guppy.

We need to stop subsidizing everyone's police, have one agency that everyone pays their fair share for their needs. Instead of haves and have nots

[Consolidation]

I've been trying to say that, and have said it before: Trim the upper level fat and keep everyone on same page.....Go big don't piecemeal it. Fry the big fish not the guppy.

We need to stop subsidizing everyone's police, have one agency that everyone pays their fair share for their needs. Instead of haves and have nots

Good argument. However I don't agree about subsidizing. The City of Buffalo, alone, uses 60% of the sheriff's budget. The towns and villages which have their own police put more people in the jail than the towns that rely on police services from the sheriff's office. Therefore they consume their county tax dollars in jail services. The towns that rely on the sheriff for police services consume their county tax dollars in police protection.

If the city, towns and villages had to pay for every prisoner they put in the jail, for a tune of approximately $120/day, I would agree that the towns that use road patrol services should pay.

[Tangodown]

Good argument. However I don't agree about subsidizing. The City of Buffalo, alone, uses 60% of the sheriff's budget. The towns and villages which have their own police put more people in the jail than the towns that rely on police services from the sheriff's office. Therefore they consume their county tax dollars in jail services. The towns that rely on the sheriff for police services consume their county tax dollars in police protection.

If the city, towns and villages had to pay for every prisoner they put in the jail, for a tune of approximately $120/day, I would agree that the towns that use road patrol services should pay.

I thought, or was under the impression, road patrol had a separate budget from the jail service.

[Consolidation]

I thought, or was under the impression, road patrol had a separate budget from the jail service.

Yes and no . . . the sheriff's office gets x amount from the legislature to use, it is up to the sheriff how he spends the money; he is an elected official. There are two major divisions in the sheriff's office: Jail Management Division and the Sheriff's Division. The vast majority of the sheriff's budget is spent on the jail management division. The Sheriff's Division is made up of overall administration/management of the sheriff's office, civil law enforcement office, internal affairs, special services (bomb squad, narcotics, helicopter, dive team, SWAT, etc.) and the road patrol. The road patrol/special services itself are peanuts. As a matter of fact, the road patrol/special services are less than 1/10 of 1% of the total county budget.

If you got rid of the road patrol/special services, county property taxes would not go down. The road patrol is barely a blip on the county budget's screen.

[WNYRealist]

Good argument. However I don't agree about subsidizing. The City of Buffalo, alone, uses 60% of the sheriff's budget. The towns and villages which have their own police put more people in the jail than the towns that rely on police services from the sheriff's office. Therefore they consume their county tax dollars in jail services. The towns that rely on the sheriff for police services consume their county tax dollars in police protection.

If the city, towns and villages had to pay for every prisoner they put in the jail, for a tune of approximately $120/day, I would agree that the towns that use road patrol services should pay.

It's time for a the Town of Aurora to make the switch to Sheriff's. Try it out and see what happens? What can you lose? If it doesn't work you can always switch it back. Aurora can be a pilot for the rest of the county.

[Carpetbagger]

I can just see the Supervisor of Amherst, Cheektowaga, Town of Tonawanda and (Mayor) Kenmore bringing this up at a Board meeting - INSTANT POLICE POWER SHOW DOWN from their respective towns, etc. Great idea - NEVER HAPPEN! Look at how wasteful the crazy number of school dist. there are and the total waste of our school taxes on the admin. numbers - my god aunt Susie would not have that cushy sec. job at Sweet Home!

[BFLOCOP]

You could get the unions on board with a countywide police force if and only if 1) Salary for the new police force is equal to that of the NYS Police and 2) All job cuts are through attrition.

The start up costs would be substantial but the long term savings would be significant. Years ago Joel Giambra wanted the ECSD to take over the BPD but wanted the new force to be governed under the contract of the ECSD and not the BPD. Obviously Bob Meegan b-slapped him out of his office. Imagine where we might be today if he hadnt refused to budge on that.

I for one am all for a regional police force but I would like to see something that has a realistic chance of happening.

[4248]

[quote=BorderBob;626448]

Town mayors like their police departments. It is part of the (Political) power structure that makes them feel important.

It is the reality and the reason that many very small towns and villages have to have their own police and not contract with the SP or Sheriff.

You need to change your town government before you can change the police.



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