Clinton warns feds on border-crossing issue

[steven]

.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton says the economic impact of a Bush administration proposal to have people crossing the U.S.-Canadian border use a "passport card" has not been adequately evaluated.

The New York Democrat told the U.S. State Department (http://www.bizjournals.com/search/bin/search?q=%22US%20State%20Department%22&t=buffalo) that the proposal is of "tremendous importance" to New Yorkers, and to all Americans who live near the U.S.-Canadian border.

http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/stories/2006/12/18/daily5.html?jst=b_ln_hl

[biker]

And when some terrorists get through, the former Assistant President will issue another press release criticizing the Administration (whosever it may be) for not being tougher on terrorism.

Life is just wunnerful for a blowhard wannabe who's not responsible for anything.

[LHardy]

I love this crap from the Dems and straight-leg Hill.
Piss and moan that national security is lax due to the Bush Administrations poor focus on the enemy.
Yet when a proper procedure is in need of implementation they throw hissy fits and national security out the window.

Oh damn! I'm sorry. It's Bin Laden not border control.
My bad, never mind.

[biker]

Wait, wait---I've got a new line of Quisling attack for them: "The US should hold six party talks with Canada instead of unilaterally imposing stricter documentation controls."

Laura Schwartz will announce it on FoxNews while talking over some whiny Repub trying to respond to her five minute soliloquoy.

[DR_GONZO]

Carpet bagger.

[300miles]

How will a passport card make us safer from terrorism?
Didn't all the 9/11 terrorist have passports?

[biker]

How will a passport card make us safer from terrorism?
Didn't all the 9/11 terrorist have passports?

Gosh, you're right.

We shouldn't do anything aimed at improving our security, making it more difficult to get into our country.

I mean, no terrorist of any stripe has tried to personnaly kill you, have they 300??

So any of these efforts is simply right-wing, paranoid exercises in security fantasy.

[300miles]

Gosh, you're right.

We shouldn't do anything aimed at improving our security, making it more difficult to get into our country.

I mean, no terrorist of any stripe has tried to personnaly kill you, have they 300??

So any of these efforts is simply right-wing, paranoid exercises in security fantasy.
When I cross the border they check my driver's license and match it with my license plate data. Their computer system also tracks how often I cross and when I come back, etc.

They take photos of me and my car. They have (or will have) sniffers that check for hazardous material (nuclear, biological, chemical)

And they have the ability to fully search me and my car if they sense anything suspicious.

The new cards will create a national database of citizen biometric data that will only lead to future hacks and stolen identities.. making it very convenient for future criminals to make our lives a mess by using our personal data. We know how competent the govt is at securing our data. Just ask any veteran.

I don't see how requiring me to get another ID card will somehow make the border any safer from terrorism. If global terrorists can get passports (which they did) then they can get these new cards (which they will).

[300miles]

... And while doing very little to actually make use safer, it will do harm to border economies like WNY that depend on shoppers and sports fans from Ontario.

[biker]

Gee, don't get so worked up.

I already told you you were right.

Whatever we do, these thugs will get around it. Walls, IDs, bazookas, whatever.

I'm already trying to learn "Kumbaya" in Spanish and whatever gutteral version of Arabic is most popular in Towelistan.

[colossus27]

The New York Democrat told the U.S. State Department (http://www.bizjournals.com/search/bin/search?q=%22US%20State%20Department%22&t=buffalo) that the proposal is of "tremendous importance" to New Yorkers, and to all Americans who live near the U.S.-Canadian border.

Yeah, well, her always voting 'no' on military budgets was of no concern until NF almost lost the base...then that too became of "tremendous importance" :rolleyes:

Doesn't she have another industry to force out of business or something?

[biker]

Yeah, well, her always voting 'no' on military budgets was of no concern until NF almost lost the base...then that too became of "tremendous importance" :rolleyes:

Doesn't she have another industry to force out of business or something?

Maybe.

But I bet it won't be the liposuction "industry" anytime soon.

[colossus27]

Maybe.

But I bet it won't be the liposuction "industry" anytime soon.

Or the Cult of Personality business, either....

[biker]

Or the Cult of Personality business, either....

Maybe she could sprinkle a few "As is well known"s in her speeches, even more people would think she was telling the truth.

Or doctor all photos from the Clinton Administration to show her at every event.

It worked for Uncle Joe.

[Jackie Stecchino]

I don't normally agree with Hillary, but on this one I have to admit, what advantage is there to having cards for everyone coming across the border? Those without the cards will just go by boat, like hundreds of others do each year.

[LHardy]

This is what Canada is saying. If their government is promoting this is a done deal.



National ID cards are a hot topic in Canada and other countries thinking about introducing a nationwide uniform identification document. Especially since the terrorist attacks in Washington and New York and the ongoing 'fight against terrorism', national ID cards have risen to the top of the agenda in immigration and security departments all over the world. Further fuel to the discussion is added by the increasing problem of fraud crimes related to the misuse of personal information, commonly called 'identity theft'.

However, national ID cards are also associated with fears of social control, surveillance and loss of privacy and individual freedom. An ID card regime will likely entail a database containing personal information of everyone bearing the card and could include biometric identifiers. This leads to questions like: What personal information is collected and how is it protected? Who can demand to see the ID card and for what reason? Who can query the database? And how much does it all cost?

This section of the CIPPIC website addresses issues surrounding national ID cards and its implications for society and the rights of individuals.

What are the main purposes of a national ID card system?

A national ID card as a general identification document could be used in many different situations, both in dealing with government agencies and private entities. In fact, one of the main goals of introducing a national ID card is the so called 'synergy effect' of replacing multiple identification documents with a single, standardized, and widely recognized document.

A prominently discussed use of national ID cards is immigration and border control.

http://www.cippic.ca/en/faqs-resources/national-id-cards/

[DelawareDistrict]

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
The ID card is just plain wrong. It is an invasion of privacy and will represent another victory for terrorism if instituted. We already have the intrusive random searches on Amtrak and the Metrorail. I will probably be arrested if ever subjected to one, because I would not willingly submit to a random search.

[biker]

I don't normally agree with Hillary, but on this one I have to admit, what advantage is there to having cards for everyone coming across the border? Those without the cards will just go by boat, like hundreds of others do each year.

I guess, Jackie, for the same reason the Border Patrol sets up checkpoints on roadways all along the southern border: incredible as it may seem, many illegals simply use normal means of transport when sneaking into the country.

So any impediment to the normal flow of trafficking will inhibit it.

But I agree, these new IDs will shut off some cross-border traffic. Casual crossers, like me, will cut back drastically on our travels.

But, the loss to the Ft. Erie Chinese restaurant industry notwithstanding, the fact I haven't been to Canada in over five years hasn't been a mortal blow to the local economy.

[biker]

The ID card is just plain wrong. It is an invasion of privacy and will represent another victory for terrorism if instituted. We already have the intrusive random searches on Amtrak and the Metrorail. I will probably be arrested if ever subjected to one, because I would not willingly submit to a random search.

We're under attack. In order to protect ourselves, we're giving up some freedoms. Do you think it was easy to cross the border in 1940? Even before we were at war (Canada, as part of the Commonwealth, already was.)

If you make a fuss during a random search, DD, I think you'd be grandstanding. The real source of your irritation is wearing a beard and a turban.

[colossus27]

.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton says the economic impact of a Bush administration proposal to have people crossing the U.S.-Canadian border use a "passport card" has not been adequately evaluated.

First things first- if a simple passport, which costs all of $9 a year, has an economic impact on people crossing the Canadian border, well, who's fault is it that those $90-odd dollars hurts locals financially? Hillary? You there? Maybe if this vapid whore actually Provided on her lie about bringing jobs to this area, it'd have less of an impact.

Oh, it's about the stores and businesses? Please. Funny I still saw the same number of Leafs fans when they played the Sabres here, despite the rampant fisting they took on scalped season tickets this year.

Second of all- mandate the f'ing passports already. And lower the price- charge another $10 for everybody via income tax and the problem mysteriously vanishes. Funny that nobody seems to give a hoot about school taxes increasing 25% annually if you live in Lancaster, but holy crap, a passport is Expensive?

[biker]

Colussus:

From your "$9.00 a year" comment, I'm guessing a passport lasts about ten years.

Is that right?

The local talk-radio guys are making a big deal of the cost, but you're correctly pointing out the more accurate periodic cost.

For me, the cost is less of an inhibitor to going to Canada than those long lines I always see at the Peace Bridge.

[colossus27]

Colussus:

From your "$9.00 a year" comment, I'm guessing a passport lasts about ten years.

Is that right?

The local talk-radio guys are making a big deal of the cost, but you're correctly pointing out the more accurate periodic cost.

For me, the cost is less of an inhibitor to going to Canada than those long lines I always see at the Peace Bridge.

Went up a bit- there's a shock. $97 for 10 years. $97 is about a tenth of what my school taxes went up in 2005.

Link (http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/fees/fees_837.html)

Age 16 and older: The passport application fee is $67. The execution fee is $30. The total is $97 .

Under Age 16: The passport application fee is $52. The execution fee is $30. The total is $82 .

The passport application fee includes the $12.00 Security Surcharge, which became effective March 8, 2005.

I agree w/you about the customs-lines.

[300miles]

But, the loss to the Ft. Erie Chinese restaurant industry notwithstanding, the fact I haven't been to Canada in over five years hasn't been a mortal blow to the local economy.
Your chinese dinners in Ft Erie isn't what concerns anyone... it's the shutoff of Canadians shopping in WNY that would be the problem for us.

[300miles]

Nobody has been able to answer my original question: HOW will these ID cards make us safer from terrorism?

Since we already know any real terrorist will easily have access to fake or stolen ID cards...

[biker]

Nobody has been able to answer my original question: HOW will these ID cards make us safer from terrorism?

Since we already know any real terrorist will easily have access to fake or stolen ID cards...

Typical tactic of the effete snob libs---in the 30s and now---is to mock any efforts at self-defense as meaningless.

Walls have always been a waste of time, too. Right?

[300miles]

That's the non-answer I expected. It's what you say when you don't have a real answer.

So I guess there really isn't any benefit to the new cards... :(

[biker]

People whose full-time occupation is to study security and choose appropriate safeguards have chosen these cards.

That's good enough for me. I don't know what considerations they had; it's not my job.

You choose the contrary, because that's your opnion before hearing anything.

[WestSideJohn]

In order to protect ourselves, we're giving up some freedoms - BikerFreedom is far too precious for me to casually give it up in the name of safety, particularly when evidence seems to indicate we're no safer anyway.

[300miles]

People whose full-time occupation is to study security and choose appropriate safeguards have chosen these cards.

That's good enough for me. I don't know what considerations they had; it's not my job.

You choose the contrary, because that's your opnion before hearing anything.
First of all, that should NOT be enough for you. The attitude that "The govt is always right if it's Republican" is an ignorant way to live. It may not be your specific job, but it IS your job to keep track of what elected officials are doing with your freedoms.

Secondly, you say it was my opinion before hearing anything. I have read up on what they're going to do with passports and it's clear the govt is completely clueless about the technology they're pushing on us. On the other hand, you sit back and think if it's good enough for some pencil pusher in washington, then it's good enough for you.

Wake up. You shouldn't play politics with our freedoms.

[300miles]

Here's one of the articles on the new passports coming out. These criticisms have been in the news for several years now. The IT community has been telling the govt they're making a big mistake and putting our security and privacy at risk. But of course, we should just trust the govt... right?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,120292-page,1/article.html

[biker]

First of all, that should NOT be enough for you. The attitude that "The govt is always right if it's Republican" is an ignorant way to live. It may not be your specific job, but it IS your job to keep track of what elected officials are doing with your freedoms.

Secondly, you say it was my opinion before hearing anything. I have read up on what they're going to do with passports and it's clear the govt is completely clueless about the technology they're pushing on us. On the other hand, you sit back and think if it's good enough for some pencil pusher in washington, then it's good enough for you.

Wake up. You shouldn't play politics with our freedoms.

You pile BS on top of BS.

You have no idea what my motivations are.

I'd rather have them kick all the Muslims out of here. If the mother and father are good Americans, their kids will not be. When it's survival at stake, you can't afford to be tolerant.

But since they're not about to do that, I support what little they are doing.

[300miles]

Wow. You're right... I had no idea you were racist.

Next time don't waste my time arguing about border security and terrorism when really all you care about is keeping up the master race.

[biker]

Wow. You're right... I had no idea you were racist.

Next time don't waste my time arguing about border security and terrorism when really all you care about is keeping up the master race.

Wrong again.

Unlike you, I learn from experience.

Over several decades, it's become increasingly clear that a significant minority of Muslims are trying to eliminate us. And a significant plurality of Muslims support them.


BTW, pinhead, I figure you're the racist. I want all Muslims out. Arabs, Scandanavians, Indians, Asians. I don't trust any of them, because they've repeatedly proven that they're murderous vermin.

You apparently have adopted the bigoted attitude that all Muslims are Arabs.

Boy, Adolph, do you ever look like a fool.

[300miles]

You're making a pathetic attempt to throw your own prejudices onto me, biker.

It's also sad how you can't carry a conversation without having to insult people that don't agree with you. When you don't have a real answer: just call them liberal snobs. You're so predictable.

Great job at killing another thread, BTW. Kudos.

[colossus27]

Typical tactic of the effete snob libs---in the 30s and now---is to mock any efforts at self-defense as meaningless.

Walls have always been a waste of time, too. Right?

300miles' question makes sense and, not surprisingly, has gone unanswered. Mainly because they can't answer it, and everybody knows this. It's a dumb law designed to make stupid people feel an illusion of safety.

This silly permit is akin to tighter gun control laws that don't do diddly.

[biker]

You want to get worked up because they want us to carry a different liberry card.

I don't.

The types of things that would worry me?

Look at Thailand.

Their military took over the government this summer for the nth time when their president went to some international confab.

Last night the puppet government announced currency restrictions, primarily on foreign investors.

This morning (meaning 2:00 AM for most of us), those foreign investors began pulling their investments out of Thailand.

In one hour, the Thai stock market lost 15% of its entire value. In one hour.

Later this morning, the Thai government rescinded most of the new restrictions as they were quickly wrecking their economy.

And they did the same series of events in 1998.

Thailand is considered one of the miracle success stories of Asia.

Now those would be things worrying about if they were happening here.

A new liberry ID card isn't.

[biker]

Great job at killing another thread, BTW. Kudos.

You mean it didn't go the way you wanted it to go.

Boo hoo.

That's life.

[biker]

You're making a pathetic attempt to throw your own prejudices onto me, biker.

I believe you're the kettle calling the pot black.

[300miles]

You want to get worked up because they want us to carry a different liberry card.
It's ok to just admit you don't know what your talking about...

[biker]

300miles' question makes sense and, not surprisingly, has gone unanswered. Mainly because they can't answer it, and everybody knows this. It's a dumb law designed to make stupid people feel an illusion of safety.

This silly permit is akin to tighter gun control laws that don't do diddly.

Who's "they"?

If it's the gov, why is 300 getting torqued cause no one here is speaking for "they". He should address his questions to "they".

As to the gun control laws analogy, now that's a provocative line of argument.

But this crap, "Somebody out there convince me that XXX is a good idea" is a waste of time.

It can't be done.

These airheads are also reluctant to say what alternatives they'd propose.

Just look at all the useless threads before the election. "Bush/Rumsfeld/Hastert/XXXX are a bunch of incompetent, stupid morons WRT YYYYYY." When you asked what they'd do differently, the most common answer was: ________________________________

[300miles]

I believe you're the kettle calling the pot black.
You have no idea what my motivations are.
I'd rather have them kick all the Muslims out of here. If the mother and father are good Americans, their kids will not be. When it's survival at stake, you can't afford to be tolerant.
Those are your statements Biker, not mine. I haven't posted anything racist.

Sorry, you are right that maybe "racist" wasn't the best term to use (even though the majority of muslims are non-white)... I'm trying to think of a good word for religious intolerance, but I'm drawing a blank. Maybe you can help me out since you probably get called that term a lot?

[biker]

It's ok to just admit you don't know what your talking about...

Do you have a memory problem?

I told you that I didn't know a lot about this twenty posts ago, but was trusting the bureaucrats involved to sort it out.

You didn't like that either.

Too bad, my shrill one.

[biker]

Those are your statements Biker, not mine. I haven't posted anything racist.

Sorry, you are right that maybe "racist" wasn't the best term to use (even though the majority of muslims are non-white)... I'm trying to think of a good word for religious intolerance, but I'm drawing a blank. Maybe you can help me out since you probably get called that term a lot?

For loud-mouthed, puddin-headed, intolerant, estupido racists, the most common epithet I hear is "300miles".

[300miles]

intolerant? - no
puddin-headed? - maybe...

[colossus27]

Who's "they"?

If it's the gov, why is 300 getting torqued cause no one here is speaking for "they". He should address his questions to "they".

As to the gun control laws analogy, now that's a provocative line of argument.

But this crap, "Somebody out there convince me that XXX is a good idea" is a waste of time.

It can't be done.

These airheads are also reluctant to say what alternatives they'd propose.

Anybody that thinks this measure is a good idea is who 300 is speaking to, isn't he/she?

It's not a good idea. All this silly ID card does for the citizen is add another layer of WF&A to a bloated government, hell-bent on the illusion of security.

On the other hand, it provides the government another means to bleed you for more non-deductible taxes, hire more pro-union gastropods that always vote for the big-government ticket, and give them a power-grab to hassle you for not carrying some silly little card. Dumb people trade these inconveniences for the hollow illusion of security.

The government already has everything they need to get the exact same effect this card might bring to the table. The problem is that they are too <s>ineffective</s> incompetent to make it happen.

People like Hillary ducking this obvious issue only further the problem. While she is correct in saying this is a bad idea, she is full of her characteristic BS for her reasons.

There is no need for an alternative, and you know that already. Enforce the damn laws on the books already.

[biker]

Anybody that thinks this measure is a good idea is who 300 is speaking to, isn't he/she?

It's not a good idea. All this silly ID card does for the citizen is add another layer of WF&A to a bloated government, hell-bent on the illusion of security.

On the other hand, it provides the government another means to bleed you for more non-deductible taxes, hire more pro-union gastropods that always vote for the big-government ticket, and give them a power-grab to hassle you for not carrying some silly little card. Dumb people trade these inconveniences for the hollow illusion of security.

The government already has everything they need to get the exact same effect this card might bring to the table. The problem is that they are too <s>ineffective</s> incompetent to make it happen.

People like Hillary ducking this obvious issue only further the problem. While she is correct in saying this is a bad idea, she is full of her characteristic BS for her reasons.

There is no need for an alternative, and you know that already. Enforce the damn laws on the books already.


Amen to that.

Same solution to immigration.

[Linda_D]

Those are your statements Biker, not mine. I haven't posted anything racist.

Sorry, you are right that maybe "racist" wasn't the best term to use (even though the majority of muslims are non-white)... I'm trying to think of a good word for religious intolerance, but I'm drawing a blank. Maybe you can help me out since you probably get called that term a lot?

Maybe just "bigot" is the word you're looking for since biker has demonstrated his dislike for both Muslims and Mexicans, among others, numerous times.

[DR_GONZO]

If The U.S.A. is truly the land of freedom then these border card things should indeed be free to all U.S. citizens! Why should there be a cost for one?

[biker]

Maybe just "bigot" is the word you're looking for since biker has demonstrated his dislike for both Muslims and Mexicans, among others, numerous times.

Wrong again, Linda.

Mexicans I have met---illegal or legal---have been hard-working, pious, good folks. Their industrious----when coupled with legality---will make us a stronger country.

What I want is a high, high wall with wide, wide gates.

In other words, I want the United States of America to act like a sovereign nation and control its borders.

Muslims, on the other hand, have vowed to kill us from many quarters of the world, by whatever means at their disposal. You don't think they're a threat till they've got their hands in your hair, pulling your head back, and starting to saw your neck open.

Typical self-absorbed, spineless lib/lab reaction to threats.

[WestSideJohn]

I'm always amazed when the cowards who are so quick to trade freedom for security call anyone else spineless.

[tomac]

Colussus:
From your "$9.00 a year" comment, I'm guessing a passport lasts about ten years.
Is that right?
The local talk-radio guys are making a big deal of the cost, but you're correctly pointing out the more accurate periodic cost.
For me, the cost is less of an inhibitor to going to Canada than those long lines I always see at the Peace Bridge.

That's okay biker, when the new ten-lane signature bridge is built those lines will be a thing of the past!

:rolleyes:

[therising]

300, don't waste your breath on him. He's pathetic, and he knows it.

For that reason, he lashes out at everyone else; it makes him feel better about himself.

[biker]

That's okay biker, when the new ten-lane signature bridge is built those lines will be a thing of the past!

:rolleyes:

Well, I'll just start holding my breath in anticipation right now!!!

[Timmy]

Im shocked that we heard Clintons voice on Canadian Border Crossings

I was wondering if she even knew where Buffalo or if she knew it was a place in her district.

What has Clinton done for Buffalo? Nothing and now she wants to stand up for border crossings between Buffalo Niagara and Canada.....come on

this is the same person that wants to put a Center for Excellence in Alternative Fuels in Rochester when its Buffalo that has Hydro, Wind, Fuel Cells, Ethanol with a possible expansion into Biodiesel, Coal Gasification (at Huntley), GM Powertrain is the only engine plant in the nation whose engines can run on alternative fuels, etc. Yet she completely ignored Buffalo for such a center!

How many other projects and funding has she completely ignored Buffalo?

Now she wants to stand up for Canadian Border crossings...shes an idiot? I cant believe people fall for it that she actually cares about Buffalo!

[DelawareDistrict]

We're under attack. In order to protect ourselves, we're giving up some freedoms. Do you think it was easy to cross the border in 1940? Even before we were at war (Canada, as part of the Commonwealth, already was.)

If you make a fuss during a random search, DD, I think you'd be grandstanding. The real source of your irritation is wearing a beard and a turban.
We are not under attack, we are provoking attack, as we have been since the early 1900's. Interventionist foreign policy over many decades has led us to the point we are at in this world.
Noninterventionism is not isolationism. Nonintervention simply means America does not interfere militarily, financially, or covertly in the internal affairs of other nations. It does not mean that we isolate ourselves; on the contrary, our founders advocated open trade, travel, communication, and diplomacy with other nations.

Thomas Jefferson summed up the noninterventionist foreign policy position perfectly in his 1801 inaugural address: “Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations – entangling alliances with none.” Washington similarly urged that we must, “Act for ourselves and not for others,” by forming an “American character wholly free of foreign attachments.” . . .

Of course we frequently hear the offensive cliché that, “times have changed,” and thus we cannot follow quaint admonitions from the 1700s. The obvious question, then, is what other principles from our founding era should we discard for convenience? Should we give up the First amendment because times have changed and free speech causes too much offense in our modern society? Should we give up the Second amendment, and trust that today’s government is benign and not to be feared by its citizens? How about the rest of the Bill of Rights?

It’s hypocritical and childish to dismiss certain founding principles simply because a convenient rationale is needed to justify interventionist policies today. The principles enshrined in the Constitution do not change. If anything, today’s more complex world cries out for the moral clarity provided by a noninterventionist foreign policy.

source: (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul356.html) Rep. Ron Paul (r) Texas - the small "r" was intentional

[biker]

Anybody trying to argue with DD on his "we're the ones wrong here, because of something that happened100 years ago" will quickly find yourself debating him about whether our support of the Hindus against the Muslims in 900 AD sowed the seeds of 9/11.

I'm always up for a good fight though. I got to the root of his outrageous indignation though: he's still PO'd that my Cro-Magnon homies beat the cookies out of his Neandrethal kin.

(And those of you who say that DD stars in those GEICO commercials are just soooooo unkind!)

[DelawareDistrict]

Anybody trying to argue with DD on his "we're the ones wrong here, because of something that happened100 years ago" will quickly find yourself debating him about whether our support of the Hindus against the Muslims in 900 AD sowed the seeds of 9/11.

I'm always up for a good fight though. I got to the root of his outrageous indignation though: he's still PO'd that my Cro-Magnon homies beat the cookies out of his Neandrethal kin.

(And those of you who say that DD stars in those GEICO commercials are just soooooo unkind!)
Biker, everyone knows that is not me in the GECIO commercials. You were spotted recently defending our Northern Border.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a319/mikeinwny/cavemancopy.jpg

[biker]

Like I said, DD still harbors that grudge across 14,538 generations.

[colossus27]

this is the same person that wants to put a Center for Excellence in Alternative Fuels in Rochester when its Buffalo that has Hydro, Wind, Fuel Cells, Ethanol with a possible expansion into Biodiesel, Coal Gasification (at Huntley), GM Powertrain is the only engine plant in the nation whose engines can run on alternative fuels, etc. Yet she completely ignored Buffalo for such a center!

If you mean E85, capability to run that is hardly an impressive acheivement, from a technical perspective. It's nothing more than a loophole to allow the Big Two to sell more SUVs.

[Linda_D]

Im shocked that we heard Clintons voice on Canadian Border Crossings

I was wondering if she even knew where Buffalo or if she knew it was a place in her district.

What has Clinton done for Buffalo? Nothing and now she wants to stand up for border crossings between Buffalo Niagara and Canada.....come on

this is the same person that wants to put a Center for Excellence in Alternative Fuels in Rochester when its Buffalo that has Hydro, Wind, Fuel Cells, Ethanol with a possible expansion into Biodiesel, Coal Gasification (at Huntley), GM Powertrain is the only engine plant in the nation whose engines can run on alternative fuels, etc. Yet she completely ignored Buffalo for such a center!

How many other projects and funding has she completely ignored Buffalo?

Now she wants to stand up for Canadian Border crossings...shes an idiot? I cant believe people fall for it that she actually cares about Buffalo!

Ummm ... Timmy, US Senators represent entire states, not just small areas of state. That's why Senator Clinton is giving Rochester a helping hand and why she's arguing against this stupid border law on economic reasons.

BTW, where is your hero, Brain Higgins, on an issue that will have significant economic impact on Buffalo and WNY if allowed to stand? Oh, yeah, still paying for all the pork he's passed out around here courtesy of Tom Reynolds and his GOP compadres -- and hoping he can still his $100 to take down the Skyway!

[DelawareDistrict]

BTW, where is your hero, Brain Higgins, on an issue that will have significant economic impact on Buffalo and WNY if allowed to stand?
Good question. There is no money to be had or pork to dole out by opposing the border crossing program.

[Linda_D]

Good question. There is no money to be had or pork to dole out by opposing the border crossing program.

Not to worry! Tearing down the Skyway will solve all our problems!

[tomac]

We are not under attack, we are provoking attack, as we have been since the early 1900's. Interventionist foreign policy over many decades has led us to the point we are at in this world.

source: (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul356.html) Rep. Ron Paul (r) Texas - the small "r" was intentional

Amazing! After reading Ron Paul's statement (which I agree with 100%) Biker didn't come out and point out to you that Thomas Jefferson was the founder of the Democratic Party and a misogynist who fathered children by his slave woman.
I think he has problems with anyone who's protrait is on Mount Rushmore.
Either that or he's fried because Reagan, Bush and Bush aren't.....

:confused:

[biker]

Amazing! After reading Ron Paul's statement (which I agree with 100%) Biker didn't come out and point out to you that Thomas Jefferson was the founder of the Democratic Party and a misogynist who fathered children by his slave woman.
I think he has problems with anyone who's protrait is on Mount Rushmore.
Either that or he's fried because Reagan, Bush and Bush aren't.....

:confused:

I never claimed he was a misogynist; he liked babes just fine (BTW-Has anyone ever heard of a fancy term for broads that hate guys?? ("Linda from JimTown" doesn't count)).

And we're working on that mountain thing. Me and the other powerful, rich, white guys are working on buying Mt. McKinley to cure that oversight.

But it's gonna be Hamilton, Reagan, Limbaugh and Ingram.

The Bushes have been too close to the country-club, silk stocking set you adore.

[biker]

Amazing! After reading Ron Paul's statement (which I agree with 100%) Biker didn't come out and point out to you that Thomas Jefferson was the founder of the Democratic Party and a misogynist who fathered children by his slave woman.
I think he has problems with anyone who's protrait is on Mount Rushmore.
Either that or he's fried because Reagan, Bush and Bush aren't.....

:confused:

I didn't respond yesterday, because the statement was preposterous!! We should adhere to some "noninterventionist" principle set forth by some elite WASPs whose very presence on the the North American continent was interventionist itself?

The ridiculous idiotic haughtiness of it moved it from parody to ridicule.


Your slings, on the other hand, were ripe for tomfoolery.

[WestSideJohn]

The Bushes have been too close to the country-club, silk stocking set you adore.It's a few years too late to try and distance yourself from the guy you so vehemently defended on pretty much every issue.

[DelawareDistrict]

I never claimed he was a misogynist; he liked babes just fine (BTW-Has anyone ever heard of a fancy term for broads that hate guys??
I've often wondered the same thing and asked a young "lady" (I used that loosely) that I worked with, who fit the description, if she knew of such a word. Her reply was, "yes, a bitch". That really doesn't quite work though, the attitude of a bitch can be directed at either sex.

I did some searching and finally came upon a word - a misandrist.
Types of misandrists

* Male feminists or what Nathanson and Young call "honorary women" who self-righteously defend women from men to seek favor from women.
* Ideological feminists who see all men as evil brutes and all women as 'good' human beings
* Women who justify misandry is a legitimate "choice" for women or a "voice" for those who have been "silenced."
* Women who justify misandry as an expedient for political purposes.
* Women who justify misandry with "something far more sinister in mind: revenge".

[biker]

I've often wondered the same thing and asked a young "lady" (I used that loosely) that I worked with, who fit the description, if she knew of such a word. Her reply was, "yes, a bitch". That really doesn't quite work though, the attitude of a bitch can be directed at either sex.

I did some searching and finally came upon a word - a misandrist.

Bitch also wouldn't qualify as a "fancy word".

But I think I've come up with a synonym for misandrist: "Hilary".

[steven]

When I cross the border they check my driver's license and match it with my license plate data. Their computer system also tracks how often I cross and when I come back, etc.

They take photos of me and my car. They have (or will have) sniffers that check for hazardous material (nuclear, biological, chemical)

And they have the ability to fully search me and my car if they sense anything suspicious.

The new cards will create a national database of citizen biometric data that will only lead to future hacks and stolen identities.. making it very convenient for future criminals to make our lives a mess by using our personal data. We know how competent the govt is at securing our data. Just ask any veteran.

I don't see how requiring me to get another ID card will somehow make the border any safer from terrorism. If global terrorists can get passports (which they did) then they can get these new cards (which they will).

You do realize you just said a differnt version of
"'if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns"

[300miles]

I don't see the connection...

but I don't think guns should be outlawed, so I won't argue.

:)

[Ragin]

I did some searching and finally came upon a word - a misandrist.

LOL .. you had to search to find the word for man-hater??

You shoulda just PM'd me .. :D

[DelawareDistrict]

LOL .. you had to search to find the word for man-hater??

You shoulda just PM'd me .. :D
I've never heard of the word before. It must be an Irish thing ;) It is not even listed in my American Heritage Dictionary :confused:

[tomac]

(BTW-Has anyone ever heard of a fancy term for broads that hate guys??

Wives.....

:rolleyes: